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CoronaVirus spreads to Red States in the US

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jul 2020, 16:21
#121
17 Jul 2020, 16:21#121

Sucker berg, Reuters and Fauci...   hahaha... no I’d rather look at the data. What the data tells us is cumulative European deaths are still almost 50% above the US. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
17 Jul 2020, 16:36
#122
17 Jul 2020, 16:36#122

Death rates have gone down all over the world.

Firstly the care home situation has been resolved which already could reduce death rate by over 35% 

Secondly, medical research from Britain in discovering Dezamthasone can be used to reduce the death rate of Coronavirus. 

"It cut the risk of death by a third for patients on ventilators. For those on oxygen, it cut deaths by a fifth." 

For patients needing oxygen, it cut the risk of death from 25% to 20%.
For patients on ventilators, it cut the risk of death from 40% to 28%.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53061281

The 2 above factors have reduced the death rate all over the world. 

Other minor improvements have been health improvements li ke injections with vitamin C- and even the flu vaccine which is also Coranviruse-  can apparently help slightly with Covid 19. 

If Obama or any other president had been running the US- chances are there would already be a proven vaccine- and being distributed around the world.

The HCQ reality TV stuff was just a distraction to the US medical experts. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
17 Jul 2020, 16:43
#123
17 Jul 2020, 16:43#123

US records 77,000+ cases yesterday. 



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jul 2020, 20:28
#124
17 Jul 2020, 20:28#124

Testing.....multiple counts for a single patient.....left wing demonstrations, whereas other countries are suppressing the numbers. 

Europe will be much more disciplined than the US which will look for new approaches and defend freedom.


That’s why Europe has Nokia and the US has Apple.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
17 Jul 2020, 21:48
#125
17 Jul 2020, 21:48#125

"That’s why Europe has Nokia and the US has Apple."

Fair enough, though I will take Europe's average life expectancy over the USA's in exchange.

I' m not really following the defend freedom bit though, care to elaborate?






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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
17 Jul 2020, 21:59
#126
17 Jul 2020, 21:59#126

The Democratic states appear to be following the European approach, while the red states are following Trump. 

The capital cities in each country got hit first- and if you take New York stats out, suddenly the red states are doing much worse- and continuing to do so. 

Silicon Valley in California is Democratic- the US cash cow. The tech companies also do substantial imports from other countries. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jul 2020, 04:22
#127
18 Jul 2020, 04:22#127

Take New York out? Okay, that has to be best case for the Blue states. So here are the top 5 other States in terms of deaths per million pop:

1 New Jersey 1774

2 Connecticut 1231

3 Massachusetts 1216

4 Rhode Island 935

5 District of Columbia 818

See any Red states there? For reference Florida is 224. The truth is young people have revolted against the restrictions. If a Covid death in NY was typically somebody with less than 10% of life left.... a Red state infection is 10 % of a NY infection in terms of morbidity.

And those numbers include a person who died on a motor cycle, but had Covid. Just one example.....but the CDC rules for a Covid death are so lax you can drive a bus or a motor cycle through them. Add to that hospitals getting additional payments for Covid and you understand the need for caution with the numbers.


The US is a huge, unconstrained, free country with a distaste for rules and restrictions. People travel all the time with families spread all over the continent. It’s the worst environment  for Covid lockdowns. Hell you can’t even get people to lane drive properly.

But even if the Covid numbers aren’t good in the USA and the system is trying to make them look even worse, the effort going into solving this problem is epic and will eventually produce results.



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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
18 Jul 2020, 18:39
#128
18 Jul 2020, 18:39#128
It seems to me that the Southern States have more Covidiots than the Democratic ones. It is not just about government policies- however it does not help that the government is giving contradictory messages. There is a civil war going on with the Trump administration and science. 
If someone refuses to wash their hands often and does not respect the 2-metre rule, there is going to problems...
Fortunately, treatment has improved since March/April this year. The death rate has therefore decreased all around the world- not just the US. 
The Democratic states seem to be defeating the virus, whereas the red states just act like it does not exist. You are just quoting early stats- when no one had a clue about Corona. If a red state had been hit first like New York - chances are it would be worse. 
As for young people, it is pretty disappointing that they are just thinking about themselves. 

COVID has other implications than death. People have had COVID- and not even realised. Then a few months later doctors have discovered severe lung damage when doing random checkups - which pretty much means they are going to have a shorter life... And be more prone to the flue and other respiratory diseases
This is why herd immunity is absolute nonsense. 
The UK publishes estimated R rate in various areas. This gives people an update of how well each area is doing. If an area has an R rate above 1, this place gets pushed into lockdown for 3 weeks until the R rate reduces. So if a place has more Covidiots- they will just spend more time in lockdown - and not affect areas that have shown the commitment to defeat the virus with known scientific methods.
Trump has taken over the reporting of Corona. He will defeat it by pretending it does not exist. Suddenly all the Southern states will have not Corona cases at all- just hospitals that are full of people for an "unknown" illness. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jul 2020, 18:49
#129
18 Jul 2020, 18:49#129
Nope.....the virus continues to win in Cities.....almost all controlled by Dems. Hell all these young people getting the virus are probably 85% Dem.
You just don’t grasp the delegation in a National/ State/ County system.
The decision in my town to close the beach in April was made by the mayor, not the governor.
So if these are all mistakes look no further than your Dem mayors.
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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
22 Jul 2020, 15:59
#130
22 Jul 2020, 15:59#130
I see US deaths have increased over 1000 per day again. More infections mean more deaths, even with better treatment today than 3 months ago. 
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