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Covid Vaccine Update - Can the Herd be immune to Covid

Started by sharkbok2 REPLIES443 VIEWS· 16 Jun 2021, 22:52
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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
16 Jun 2021, 22:52
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16 Jun 2021, 22:52#1

Initially, the plan was to wait for 80% of the population to have antibodies- and then herd immunity would kick in and turn the pandemic into an endemic.
(Antibodies from being vaccinated or recovered from Covid). 

Many people are getting infected with Covid, despite having been vaccinated in the UK. Hospital cases are now starting to increase again. 

The UK has around 70% of the population vaccinated with at least one dose, and around 50% of the population totally vaccinated. 

Yet the Indian variant is growing as fast now in the 3rd wave - as at any stage before vaccines. 
The speed of growth raises serious questions about the efficiency of the vaccines. 

It is not clear if AstraZeneca or/and Pfizer are responsible for being so ineffective in preventing transmissions, as well as symptoms. 

Or if it is just the Indian variant that is getting around one or both of these vaccines. 

If people can get Covid again from a different variant, and the vaccines just become outdated to new variants- will the herd ever achieve immunity? 
There could never be more than 80% of the population with antibodies that would combat new variants. 
It could mean that at some stage all of us will get Covid, and perhaps more than once. 

The new flu... The only positive upside is that Covid has defeated the traditional flu...


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Jun 2021, 23:28
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16 Jun 2021, 23:28#2

Only 1 in 50 people in India have been infected and only 20% of the population has been vaccinated, way not enough for herd immunity…..yet the daily case rates have dropped from a peak of 400000 to a current level closer to 60000. 

Knowing why might help.
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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
18 Jun 2021, 14:31
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18 Jun 2021, 14:31#3
Yes, India is improving rapidly. It is interesting that countries like Australia have been very good at preventing spread. 

UK cases have almost doubled in 1 week.
However, most cases appear to be people in their 20's and younger, so it seems like they have lost patience with social distancing. It is spreading in older age groups as well, but it is still too early to see what % of vaccinated people are still getting infected. 
SA is about to go into its third wave now - and based on the growth it will probably be the most severe one for SA- at least so far. 
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