Did Novak LIE? Huge twist as Border Force investigate bombshell claims

I dont like the way the entire incident was handled in front of the world press..... it got so much attention, that in my opinion, it didn't warrant...... hell....one single sportsman dominated the world headlines for weeks...... there are seriously far more human interest stories for me.......

The main point of my post is actually about how Djokovic has shown a tendency over quite a period of time, to always put his own personal interests above every single other person's, and that even includes illegal behaviour, which I see his own prime minister is now coming out and saying that Djokovic will personally be penalized for, if found guilty....

Djokovic has too often now just blatantly flouted the rules, which would usually not really bother me at all, as I myself also prefer to sometimes go against the current at times, unless or until that flouting of the rules can seriously impact or affect the health and well being of other individuals, which has now possibly happened, one for definite... in multiple cases involving Djokovic.... many people from his own team, to participants in his own tournaments etc etc got Covid, directly from some incident or event that Djokovic either created, promoted or participated in. 

What we don't and never will know.... is how that has gone on and affected all those people and their families and friends....

I have actually lost a lot of respect for the way he does things like this, mostly on a whim, without any thought or regard for his fellow man, it is only ever what he himself can get out of it....... and if he gets caught out, just say sorry.... but the damage, some of it possibly deadly, has already been done. 

Whilst I still fully and completely support his staunch belief to not get vaccinated, I also fully agree and support that he should be stopped and penalized for this very dangerous and reckless repeat behaviour

Well you know....the media thrives on controversy, boring doesn't sell 

"I don’t support vaccine mandates.

Therefore I can’t support any regulation, government or group that exclude people from ANY activity based on their vaccine status"

Not exactly an activity, but I do support individual organizations that have the right to implement their own stipulations or requirements regarding Covid or vaccine status, if you want to become a member of that same organization.

Take medical aids for example..... they should be able to have the right and authority, to determine what criteria is taken into account for you to join as a medical aid member, and if you refuse to accept those terms, such as being vaccinated, then you can either walk away and look for a medical aid that meets with your personal beliefs or requirements, or you will be rejected as a member.....

Companies must be able to protect their future sustainability in this way, because some medical aids are already looking at putting this policy in place to prevent unnecessary and excessive high care or ICU costs that are directly attributed to Covid related illnesses. It's all about the money, which is sickening, and I don't agree with that at all, but I do definitely agree with the options and choices involved for all parties concerned.

If a potential member does not want to get vaccinated, then they simply walk away and find a medical aid that does not have that as a requirement to become a member, but I do support a company or organization that wants to implement it's own policies in this regard.... and for the record, I actually don't support the policy itself.... but I do agree that any company or organization should be able to choose it's own membership criteria, and not have it dictated to them.  

"And here in South Africa we have a great example. Say the word “Kaffir” and you WILL. serve jail time regardless of context. Say the phrase “Kill the boer” and not only will there be no jail time, the law won’t even get involved…because it’s a “struggle phrase” and suddenly context means something. The point is, there will always be a group that wants certain laws in place and government will oblige. Not because it cares but because, like any entity, it seeks to expand its reach."

Spot on Plum, couldn't agree more

"Let’s look at this board for a moment? We know that Denny has the emotional security of a 12 year-old girl. I regularly give him shit about it."

Goeie genade, And here I am thinking you're an utter bore.......told you so ad nauseum. Take for instance your above post........did you really expect anyone to read through the garbage and not fall asleep?

What about existing employees or customers? Is it OK to boot them?

Medical Aids and Life Insurance Companies were not allowed to discriminate against people with Aids, which resulted in a much bigger burden than the un-vaxxed ever would.

The vaccines have not been through a thorough trial period like so many vaccines before them. Any company is free to mandate a vaccine if the agree to pay health insurance and disability insurance for sudden changes in condition of health over the next 15 years...I know of too many people with sudden new ailments shortly after getting the vaccine.

"What about existing employees or customers? Is it OK to boot them?"

I am just looking at the reality that we may all face sometime in the future.....I think the time will arrive where people will need to make a choice of whether they want to remain a member or not....

If I owned a shop, and I wanted every sin gle customer to be vaccinated before entering my shop, that would be my own personal choice... and if existing or new customers did not like that, then they would be completely free to choose somewhere else to shop, where that policy was not in place, just like I would be completely free to choose who I wanted to serve my products to....

"The vaccines have not been through a thorough trial period like so many vaccines before them. Any company is free to mandate a vaccine if the agree to pay health insurance and disability insurance for sudden changes in condition of health over the next 15 years"

I don't disagree with this, but it would be absolutely impossible trying to link whatever sudden changes someone would experience, back to the vaccine....I guarantee you

As an example.... try doing exactly what you demand above... with some long standing and very reputable drugs on the market right now.... when you currently take any pills prescribed to you by your doctor.... from aspirin to antibiotics

 "don't disagree with this, but it would be absolutely impossible trying to link whatever sudden changes someone would experience, back to the vaccine....I guarantee you"

Exactly, so don't mandate experimental vaccines which aren't properly effective in the first place.

"with some long standing and very reputable drugs on the market right now.... when you currently take any pills prescribed to you by your doctor.... from aspirin to antibiotics"

Yet nobody is forcing anyone to take these drugs and the side-effects are known and extensively documented.

If you want to force me to take something, you better guarantee my safety...Why are all the vaccine suppliers protected of claims for adverse effects against them?

"Exactly, so don't mandate experimental vaccines which aren't properly effective in the first place"

Easier said than done....

Some companies will be enforcing this in the near future, I guarantee it

I don't agree with the company's own internal policy to do it, but I would agree with their own individual rights to do it.

"I don't agree with the company's own internal policy to do it, but I would agree with their own individual rights to do it."

If they mandate it, they will be liable for side effects...and we all no it's coming sooner than later.

"but I do agree that any company or organization should be able to choose it's own membership criteria, and not have it dictated to them"

Indeed. But when people were saying this previously and wanting to keep their businesses open to customers, they weren't given that choice. In a perfect world restrictions to freedoms would work because they would be efficiently chosen and perfectly implemented. In a perfect world, anything would work.

But it's not simply a case of organisations deriving their own policy. Most are mandated and others don't want to be the odd ones out for fear of vilification. 

And at the bottom of the pile is us. Vaccine passes in hand, waiting for the next booster because else you can't go to the gym.  

"If they mandate it, they will be liable for side effects...and we all no it's coming sooner than later"

I don't see this becoming a possibility to be honest....

Look at certain health sectors around the world, where staff have already been forced to take the vaccine, or lose their jobs..... you just won't succeed against the might of some of these large companies or organizations, no company will ever agree to this condition because there are just too many variables........sorry, just being very realistic here... it won't happen

"Look at certain health sectors around the world, where staff have already been forced to take the vaccine, or lose their jobs..... you just won't succeed against the might of some of these large companies or organizations, no company will ever agree to this condition because there are just too many variables........sorry, just being very realistic here... it won't happen"

What this tells me is that if there are going to be issues down the line, there'll be lots of underhanded efforts to keep it under wraps.

"What this tells me is that if there are going to be issues down the line, there'll be lots of underhanded efforts to keep it under wraps"

Spot on Plum, that is exactly why I am saying it will be virtually impossible to process and prove, even if some claims were le git.....

As I said, this will become a reality for most, whether they like it or not.... the UK have already voted it in

I don't like it at all, but I also know that reality will hit back pretty hard

"England’s health and social care secretary has announced that all staff who work in health and social care settings regulated by the Care Quality Commission will have to be fully vaccinated against covid-19 by 1 April 2022

The move was passed by 385 votes to 100 during a session in the House of Commons last night when other measures proposed"

This involves millions of staff in the different fields of health care

Imagine if this survey could realistically be done, it can't, but I really wish it could

Identify 10 million people now, and put them in a controlled environment, and see how many people survive until next week, and those that didn't make it, died from natural causes.

Identify the same 10 million people, give each one an aspirin, and see how many survive until the next week.... and those that don't survive, will have possibly been recorded as having died from side effects of aspirin, when in fact it was from natural causes, it was just a coincidence that they recently had an aspirin 

Clearly this can never be done, but it would definitely be interesting

Now extrapolate that to the millions of people that have died around the world, not long after taking the vaccine..... how many would have died the exact same way... and at the same time, without ever having taken the vaccine.

It's more a curious thought than anything else

DA, there are already questions regarding access deaths that can't be attributed to covid. I know the very liberal Dutch parliament requested a proper investigation/research. Some of the data are deliberately not published, to prevent further vaccine hesitancy.

""England’s health and social care secretary has announced that all staff who work in health and social care settings regulated by the Care Quality Commission will have to be fully vaccinated against covid-19 by 1 April 2022"

Why would such a mandate be necessary in an environment where everyone daily see the worst effects of the virus on patients...maybe because they also see the effects of the vaccines? These are people who've risked their lives and worked through a couple of waves during the start of the pandemic. They are daily faced with the realities of the disease, but yet refuse to get vaccinated?..."vax or get fired" is a nice way for the bureaucrats to thank them for their service on the frontlines over the last couple of years....madness.

There is a tremendous amount of push back on this NHS demand, with over 60 000 current staff who refuse to get vaccinated, and are prepared to lose their jobs.

They may be forced to relook at this ultimatum because apparently the cost to employ people with the same work experience would be extremely expensive , but I hear that the actual major concern is the loss of so many staff in such a small space of time.... they reckon it would cripple the NHS... which it clearly would

Interesting times ahead

All I see is utter confusion and speculation, in fact nothing watertight and set in stone...people ranting and raging and clutching at straws in fact we all do this at times. If we were utterly honest we would confess...we don't really know but we fool ourselves thinking we are cleverer than the other man. Another thing I've noticed none of us has ever won an argument or debate here no matter whatever the topic . All of us are as guilty as the next man.

The real truth is buried thus.

The Age of Confusion | Matthew 24:4-14 | RayStedman.org

The reason the court gave was not that he was unvaccinated, not that he broke the rules….but that he might incite others to not get vaccinated. The court decided the deportation….not the political types who harped on rule infractions, because that played better.

The Australian public needed a scapegoat after their numerous lockdowns and travel restrictions only succeeded in making Australia one of the worst covid hotspots on the planet. And they found one in the Joker who is too complicated a character for the dumb Aussies to get.

It’s no different to stoning in biblical times.

Kruisig Hom, kruisig Hom!

And people wonder how the Nazzis got away with the things they did...

We are repeating the sins of our fathers...

There seems to be alot of South African experts concerning Australia - LOL.

The guy was caught out and sent packing.

He thought the rules did not apply to him.  

“Mon Dieu! Baguette! Fromage! I am very happy that everything went so smoothly with my entry,” said Chocoviche after passing through the Australian customs control without incident following his presentation of a flawless French vaccination certificate, that included all popular vaccinations (one AstraZeneca, two Pfizer, one Moderna, and one inexplicably from Red Bull).

“Louvre! Magnifique! Voulez-vous coucher avec moi? What a beautiful, hospitable country that I have definitely never visited before!

“Fortunately, I have been fully vaccinated, by all the best and most popular vaccines, so I am now definitely allowed to be here to compete in what is definitely my first ever international tournament.”

The newcomer seems to have been pretty lucky, as his wild-card entry was only confirmed once the previous champion Novak Djokovic had his visa to participate in the tournament revoked due to difficulties in entering the country. Novacques Chocoviche will now take over his starting place in the main draw, and is strangely confident about his chances.

“No one had heard of Emma Raducanu before she won the US Open last year, so none of you should be surprised if I go right ahead and win the whole thing. I’m pretty good at tennis, or ‘le tennis’ as we say in France.”

He was deported because they didn’t like the things he said….that was the crux of the judges’ argument. No free speech in Australia, just a woke mob howling for a scapegoat.

And the childish stuff that amuses these woke Nazis…like that pathetic attempt at humor the Quisling just posted. These people operate at what used to be the 12 year old level.

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"How good people are fooled by bad people into thinking that they’re doing the right thing"

Yeah, crazy just how pre valent this is 

"How good people are fooled by bad people into thinking that they’re doing the right thing"

Yeah, crazy just how prevalent this is 

You do realise that people on both sides of the argument are thinking the exact same thing.

And never the two shall meet.

"You do realise that people on both sides of the argument are thinking the exact same thing.

And never the two shall meet"

Truer words have never been spoken

""How good people are fooled by bad people into thinking that they’re doing the right thing"

Yeah, crazy just how prevalent this is 

You do realise that people on both sides of the argument are thinking the exact same thing.

And never the two shall meet."

The one side demands the other side to do something they don't wants to do...the other side just want to be left alone....the perceived greater good...mob rule.

The way I’d phrase it……one side has created the world ….the other side wants to destroy what’s been created with the promise of building something better. But it’s their first assignment.

Moz...and Plum, we might differ on a lot of things, but we agree on some important stuff too. Free thinking and freedom of choice vs mob rule....and the odds are gradually being stacked against us.

Democratic institutions have built the world, not "your side". 
The good guys, and the bad guys... nothing in between - talk about wearing rose-tinted glasses. 

Happy Clappies like Draad and Beeno always think they are on the good side. Brainwashed, and part of a shrinking herd. It used to be the mainstream, now it's the alternative reality. 

meanwhile, @Buttplug is doing his arse creeping. 

No capitalism has built the world. China was an agrarian country with 85% of the people working the land….and starving….in 1980. Then Deng helped them find their own version of  capitalism and everything got massively better…..without Democracy.

Democracy is what we demand as sentient beings…..representation and critically, free speech. What the wokes  are giving us is a mangled version of the original concept, without free speech.

Plum I’m going to hold you to that….particularly on global warming. We are going to be 100 cumulative degrees below normal in January…..just one of a string of cold winters in center of the world’s second largest land mass. Please tell the bastards I told them so when in 2050 they finally concede much of warming was a natural cycle.

Our friends the ancient Greeks invented Democracy and Capitalism.
Capitalism is the economic system of Democracy. (Co mpetition =  freedom of choice) 

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The problems in the world are created mostly by a population that is growing faster than the economy. 
Third world countries are 3rd-world, because of this very situation. If a country can slow its population growth, it can build a middle class.
Africa can't do this, it seems they will always have a majority of poor people that will vote for populists. 

The poor mob may eventually end Democracy by outvoting everyone else and appointing a dictator.

You’re absolutely right about Capitalism being consistent with Democracy, people voting with their dollars and having the freedom to produce. But as China demonstrated it can also function in an authoritarian society, if left largely to its own devices.

The Greeks invented Democracy for a small segment  of the male society….read Conn Iggulden’s brilliant latest book to see how flawed it was.