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First debate an easy win for Harris

Started by Mozart108 REPLIES3,388 VIEWS· 11 Sept 2024, 05:16
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Sept 2024, 05:16
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11 Sept 2024, 05:16#1

Trump was completely unable to unsettle Harris…couldn’t articulate any ideas beyond simple platitudes…..was boring, repetitive and occasionally a bit unhinged. Frankly he looked uncoached, he and his team  never had any unexpected angles to unsettle Harris.


She attacked, he defended ineptly.


Net result 63% said Harris won the debate in the CNN instant poll. Too old, too much baggage, not light on his feet.


I would be very surprised if this doesn’t reflect in a modest poll shift towards Harris. Trump is in serious trouble. Which is scary, because this former prosecutor  is so apparently not ready for the job. What price the clarity of thought of a Nikki Haley.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
11 Sept 2024, 05:46
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11 Sept 2024, 05:46#2

Trump is turning into Clevermike.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Sept 2024, 08:13
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11 Sept 2024, 08:13#3

Well it was three against one. Megyn Kelly said it was disgusting the worst moderator bias ever seen. She is so angry. 

CNN had a pre debate and post debate poll. Trump gained two points. Bwahahahaha. He is now way ahead on the big economy issue. 

America saw through this farce. Corrupt Globalist  ABC fact checked Trump incorrectly a number of times and never fact checked lying Kackling K. 

Expect further backlash against this travesty and all the lies of Cackling K

War monger Mozzietard loves NeoCon war Hawk Haley who is despised by the GOP base. Clearly this scumbag would love Kamala in office as do other establishment Bush supporters. The wars must continue if his Raytheon shares are to do well. 

Doubtless mozzietard will cast his vote for the Globalist candidate Cackling Comrade K. 

Democrat Pollster says Trump has I think it was a 67% chance if winning. 

With their Lawfare having collapsed their only chance is a successful assassination or once again massive election rigging. 







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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Sept 2024, 08:19
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11 Sept 2024, 08:19#4

Here is the CNN POLL 

CNN POLL

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Sept 2024, 09:21
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11 Sept 2024, 09:21#5

I do not believe unetling  Harris is difficult - she as a giggle response on eveything and no policies at all.    The pesnal attacks on crie of Trump ssue s BS perssonified anyway.   She denied everything she said in the past on issue and what is her economic policy anyway.   

Mozart I suppose you will suppor this dead h ead?   

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Sept 2024, 09:21
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11 Sept 2024, 09:21#6
You repostedRobert F. Kennedy Jr@RobertKennedyJrThe reason why VP Harris has the support of 200 Republicans is that these establishment Republicans are closer to her views than to President Trump’s. They exemplify what I’ve called the “uniparty.” Trump is running against the establishment, and that’s why they hate him
These Uniparty traitors are Open Border Globalist managing the destruction of Western Civilization and, in particular, the destruction of Amer ica
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Sept 2024, 09:40
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11 Sept 2024, 09:40#7

Mozzietard is a stinking dispicable globalist traitor.  RFK nails it. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
11 Sept 2024, 09:47
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11 Sept 2024, 09:47#8
Any sensible person can see that Harris is far more presidential than Trump.

 It seems the more stupid a place is, the more they vote for Trump.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Sept 2024, 09:48
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11 Sept 2024, 09:48#9

Go tell that to Elon...

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
11 Sept 2024, 10:27
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11 Sept 2024, 10:27#10

Neither is remotely presidential.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Sept 2024, 11:15
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11 Sept 2024, 11:15#11

It's not about being presidential...I want a president that makes everyday life better for me and my fellow citizens...if he has to step on a few toes in the process,  so be it.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
11 Sept 2024, 11:30
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11 Sept 2024, 11:30#12

I agree

Being "presidential" is just trying to be politically correct

To me it's who can do a better job, irrespective of whether I like that person or not

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Sept 2024, 13:18
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11 Sept 2024, 13:18#13

a PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE is not fun - it is where candidates put their policies on publlic view - so far Harris has no policies that she would promote and support - so how the hell can peple give her a blank cheque.   They did exactly what Biden did in 2020 - attack TRump and play the moderate candidate and he turned out to be a ultra-leftist puppet turning everything he touched into s hit.   .   

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Sept 2024, 13:26
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11 Sept 2024, 13:26#14

SB

More presidential with that laughing when she ahs no answer to anything and no plicies as well.    She is about as presidential as her bedhopping  suggests.

Th oreign lesaders will have -

*   problems for the US allies  through being in the endless war party sickening the EU leaders; and

*   and the enemies of the USA  and democracy will  love having her around since she is really clueless.and will help to destroy democracy in the USA and in the western world.

         

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Sept 2024, 14:09
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11 Sept 2024, 14:09#15

HasBeen you moron. Look at the heading. That’s not the result of the debate….that’s who would be better to deal with the economy. Harris won the debate almost 2/3 vs 1/3.

Trump is an old man, he simply couldn’t avoid the blows anymore….no humor (always a winner), nothing surprising, nothing that would resonate with swing voters,

He just took the bait, every time.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Sept 2024, 14:18
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11 Sept 2024, 14:18#16

Occasions when he took the bait…..his inheritance, the Wharton School, former staffers who support Harris, his crowd size, even the handshake. A deer in the headlights from the off.

He needed to pivot every time to a Harris weakness…. he never did once. High school students could have done a better job. 

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
11 Sept 2024, 14:30
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11 Sept 2024, 14:30#17

Your wasting your breath Moz, Trump could have taken a dump on stage and pedobeeno would call it a masterclass in debating and still support him. His eyes and head is so full of shit he can't  see anything but what he wants to.

I have only seen about 10 minutes of clips but Trump did not look or sound like someone playing with a full deck.

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
11 Sept 2024, 14:51
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11 Sept 2024, 14:51#18
Oh, look, anytime someone calls us stupid, we can say that Musk is one of us.
Musk wants a conservative government because they charge less tax, it is that simple. 
He is a product of California, along with the rest of big tech.

Places that always vote conservative in America like Alabama, Kansas City, and Kentucky are all brainless.

IQ by region:
  1. Blue States = Intelligence (e.g. California, New York)
  2. Purple States = Semi-intelligent
  3. Red States = The missing link

The evidence appears to suggest that conservative politics and economics don't work.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Sept 2024, 15:13
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11 Sept 2024, 15:13#19

Teh Above is BS.   California is te worst state in he USA when  cmes to living cbnditions and ost ver 1,5 mllion people fleeing from that state over he last 5 years.   Th intelligen who fled include Musk and  Bezos.   The intelligent decamped from  that state and he dregs stayed behind.   The state comes nearest to a third world ssituation in te USA - with a huge budget deficit.

New yyrk si inm te same stituation as Califotnia and people fled from there as well.  Bth C alifornia are hell to liv in fr ordnmary people and that says a lot about the ruling elite and the way they operate elections.   California over 6 milion dead and missing voters on the voters role and they all vote Democrat.    

All the refugees from California and New York go to red states - why should that be stupid idiot?

I think you have been brainwashed into idiocy to co me up with shit like the above.   

      

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
11 Sept 2024, 16:17
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11 Sept 2024, 16:17#20

If California was a country, it would be the 4th richest country in the world. 

If anything is bad about California, is that it is becoming more expensive. That is the only reason someone would leave California.

Companies that move to red states for tax purposes, still employ people from the brain states

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Sept 2024, 18:14
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11 Sept 2024, 18:14#21

 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
11 Sept 2024, 19:11
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11 Sept 2024, 19:11#22

The bookies thought Kamala won. Kamala now 1.8 and Bozo 2.0.

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
11 Sept 2024, 19:53
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11 Sept 2024, 19:53#23

Pets in Ohio endorse Trump


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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
11 Sept 2024, 20:09
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11 Sept 2024, 20:09#24

Moderators should be neutral, otherwise you have a rigged debate. Having watched more of the debate now that's certainly what this looks like. Trump actually didn't do too badly under the circumstances, came across better than in some of his recent public speeches.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
11 Sept 2024, 21:04
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11 Sept 2024, 21:04#25

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
11 Sept 2024, 22:10
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11 Sept 2024, 22:10#26
"Oh, look, anytime someone calls us stupid, we can say that Musk is one of us. Musk wants a conservative government because they charge less tax, it is that simple. He is a product of California, along with the rest of big tech." Musk is providing global satellite internet cheaply, has totally revolutionised rocketry, has the worlds leading EV company, an AI platform, and making insane strides with NLink...is willing to parade around as a conservative...to pay less tax. He sold all his homes and now rents a place in Texas. Clearly, Musk is all about the money...he just doesn't wanna own anything. Hey, remember when Musk told advertisers who wanted to hold Twitter ransom to "go fuck themselves"? This guy is just all about the $ isn't he?
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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
11 Sept 2024, 22:19
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11 Sept 2024, 22:19#27

@Pakie, this has never been a problem before Trump.

If he is going to spout nonsense like illegal immigrants eating people's pets and abortion after birth, he has to be fact-checked in real time.

He knows he is lying, and if people want a serious debate instead of a charade designed for his followers, this must be done.

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
11 Sept 2024, 22:27
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11 Sept 2024, 22:27#28

@ButtPlug, Texas has become the Ireland of America.

Texas undercuts California to pocket their tax money by encouraging people to relocate their money to their state.

Texas although is certainly the best red state, so they need Musk less than say Kansas City.

Musk used to say he was an independent, and he even voted for Joe Biden in 2020. 


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Sept 2024, 23:16
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11 Sept 2024, 23:16#29

"Musk used to say he was an independent, and he even voted for Joe Biden in 2020. "

Indeed...indeed, and now he's voting for Trump...and he's explained why...

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Sept 2024, 23:51
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11 Sept 2024, 23:51#30

No doubt the moderators made life easier for Harris. But it’s a bit like rugby….complaining about the ref changes nothing. 


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
12 Sept 2024, 02:00
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12 Sept 2024, 02:00#31

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/11/trump-harris-debate-republican-reaction


Donald Trump’s campaign was in damage control mode on Wednesday amid widespread dismay among supporters over a presidential debate performance that saw Kamala Harris, his Democratic opponent, repeatedly goad him into going wildly off-message and missing apparent opportunities to tackle her on policy.

Even with Trump insisting to have won the debate “by a lot”, Republicans were virtually unanimous that Trump had come off second best in a series of exchanges that saw the vice-president deliberately bait him on his weak points while he responded with visible anger.

The Republican nominee – who took the unusual step afterwards of visiting the media spin room, a venue normally frequented only by candidates’ surrogates – was non-committal on Wednesday to the Harris campaign’s proposal for a second debate. Despite widespread opinion to the contrary, Trump suggested she needed it because she had lost. “I’d be less inclined to because we had a great night. We won the debate,” he told Fox & Friends.

Trump campaign publicly claims debate win but aides privately express doubtsRead more

Harris had not commented herself on her debate performance by Wednesday afternoon, accompanying Joe Biden on official appearances as the US president and vice-president attended a series of events commemorating the 23rd anniversary of the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks on the US, traditionally a non-partisan occasion.

Some of the Fox network’s high-profile presenters took a different view from Trump, too. “Let’s make no mistake. Trump had a bad night,” the Fox News analyst Brit Hume said immediately after the debate. “We just heard so many of the old grievances that we all know aren’t winners politically.”

Many commentators said the tone of the debate was set at the beginning when Harris walked on to the stage and – after a slight hesitation – approached Trump’s lectern to introduce herself and shake his hand. It was the first handshake at a presidential debate since 2016.

The gesture enabled Harris to turn the tables on Trump – who has a track record of condescension towards women – by establishing dominance, wrote Politico.

Another defining moment of the 105-minute encounter came when Trump’s eyes flashed as Harris depicted people leaving his rallies “early out of exhaustion and boredom”. Rather than let the jibe go or respond to a follow-up question by the ABC moderator David Muir on an immigration bill, Trump went off on a tangent to compare the two candidates’ rallies. Harris smiled and stared at him, resting her chin on her hand.

That exchange – along with several others – crystallised what many Republicans described as a clear defeat for Trump. There was also grudging praise from Republicans for Harris, who won respect for being well-prepared.

“She was exquisitely well prepared, she laid traps and he chased every rabbit down every hole instead of talking about the things that he should have been talking about,” Chris Christie, the former Republican governor of New Jersey who helped Trump prepare for his 2016 debates with Hillary Clinton, told ABC.

“This is the difference between someone who is well prepared and someone who is unprepared. Whoever prepared Donald Trump should be fired.”

“Trump was unfocused and poorly prepared,” agreed Guy Benson, editor of the conservative website Townhall on X . “[Harris] basically accomplished exactly what she wanted to here. I suspect the polls about the debate will show that she won it.”

Congressional Republicans voiced disappointment over Trump’s inability to discipline himself and press home key policy issues. He even seemed preoccupied with the absence of Joe Biden, whose calamitous performance at the previous debate in Atlanta in June prompted his withdrawal from the race, to be replaced by Harris. “Where is he?” Trump asked. “They threw him out of the campaign like a dog.”

“I’m just sad,” one House Republican told the Hill. “She knew exactly where to cut to get under his skin. Just overall disappointing that he isn’t being more composed like the first debate. The road just got very narrow. This is not good.”

Linsey Davis, for fact-checking Trump but not Harris, there was acknowledgment that the Republican nominee was the architect of his own failings.

“Trump lost the debate and whining about the moderators doesn’t change it,” the conservative radio host Erick Erickson wrote on social media. “He didn’t lose because of their behavior. He lost because of his own performance while his lips were moving, not theirs.”

Harris delivered a ‘masterclass’ debate. Will it change the race?Read more

Harris also provoked Trump by saying he was deemed “weak” by US allies, who saw him as toadying up to Vladimir Putin, “who would eat [him] for lunch”.

Insisting that he was widely respected, Trump invoked the support of Viktor Orbán, the far-right prime minister of Hungary, who has dissented from Nato’s support for Ukraine in its war with Russia and shares much of the former president’s anti-immigrant rhetoric.

“Viktor Orbán is known for destroying Hungarian democracy using techniques Trump has tried to copy,” said David Driesen, a constitutional law professor at Syracuse University, who has written on the capture of democratic institutions by autocratic leaders. “It was surreal to hear Trump cite Orbán’s praise as validation of his own leadership.”

“The headline for the next few days will be how he lost this thing,” one GOP representative told Politico. “I expect him to do something drastic, whether it’s a campaign shake-up or some other wild antic, by the end of the week to change the upcoming news cycle.”

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Sept 2024, 03:10
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12 Sept 2024, 03:10#32

Incredibly his prep team included Matt Gaetz. Surely there are smarter American political strategists who would have taken the job. There is so much at stake in this election and this silly old man couldn’t control himself…pathetic.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
12 Sept 2024, 06:21
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12 Sept 2024, 06:21#33

@Pakie, this has never been a problem before Trump.

If he is going to spout nonsense like illegal immigrants eating people's pets and abortion after birth, he has to be fact-checked in real time.

SB I don't have much invested in this - it's like watching two kittens fight over a sock. Entertainment. These are two terrible candidates. But if you're going to fact check in a debate, fact check both sides equally because it would appear the bullshit didn't come from just one end.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Sept 2024, 09:27
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12 Sept 2024, 09:27#34

Mozart

All theat Harrs and ABC dealt weth was the fake criminal charge by the Biden dministrtin and  she was proeced by the ABC too.   No detais on policie at all - andshe ied abou thingsa as well.    

You are welcome to support that shit.   Gt yor money out of the USA as long as you can - Try Jersey or Monaco a resdence - maybe that wil survive the upcoming BS if Harris wins.     Since you hate the Sprigboks  and Ersmus  as well - you are not welcome in SA either..

    

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
12 Sept 2024, 10:02
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12 Sept 2024, 10:02#35

"But if you're going to fact check in a debate, fact check both sides equally because it would appear the bullshit didn't come from just one end"

100%

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
12 Sept 2024, 10:29
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12 Sept 2024, 10:29#36

Depends.....depends on who has the bigger shovel on one end vs the size of the shovel on the other......armed with a 99 Donnie wins.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
12 Sept 2024, 12:11
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12 Sept 2024, 12:11#37

But if you're going to fact check in a debate, fact check both sides equally because it would appear the bullshit didn't come from just one end.

I didn't see the debate live, but could that simply be to do with Trump bullshitting more?

From reading about it afterwards where both sides where fact checked that seemed to be the case.

Anyway is anyone else sick at the sheer length US election campaigns run for. Seems to take up so much time and energy from regular political activity. Over here and the UK election campaign run for about a month and half, though granted the US is a much larger country but in the US it feels like it runs for 18 months.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
12 Sept 2024, 17:20
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12 Sept 2024, 17:20#38
Not all bad for T
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Sept 2024, 17:32
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12 Sept 2024, 17:32#39
VisKop...Musk prefer Texas due to regulations, not taxation. If you wanna have a laugh, listen to him talk about some the crazy regulatory hoops they've had to jump through with Space X. Not in California, but just in general, how insane regulations can be. He was talking about how they had to prove that if their rocket crashed into the sea, it would have a minimal chance of killing a whale. Actually pretty funny hearing him talk about it.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
12 Sept 2024, 18:42
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12 Sept 2024, 18:42#40

 

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