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France's Vital Role in the American war of Independence...and how much money the US would of lost out on without it.

Started by Stavanger160 REPLIES668 VIEWS· 04 Apr 2026, 21:05
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clevermike
Coach57,555 posts
06 Apr 2026, 11:49#41

BB


OK there were How do you know the story of deathss killed by the USA. First of all there were 140 chidren killed by accident in that school - then it is 150 - now it is 200, H ow many civilians were killed - are t he eladers of Iran killed innocent civiians. The targets were aays leaders who h ad 30 000 protestors murdered by the Ayatollah regime in December 2025 and January 2026 and the killings by the Regime continues on a daily basis.


The argets were aimed at Iran army bases - the one the army base next door to the school - and approximately a total of 3000 people were killed with 85 to 90% Iran army members.


The site idiocy is absed on shiot from the fake media like The Guardian,


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DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
06 Apr 2026, 13:23#42

Very convenient for the Iranians that those poor girls got killed so tragically...they could not have planned it better if they orchestrated it themselves...

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Stavanger1
Pro4,532 posts
06 Apr 2026, 14:45#43

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Ah yes we are the deranged ones.

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DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
06 Apr 2026, 16:08#44

It's theater...and you can't help but to watch.

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Stavanger1
Pro4,532 posts
06 Apr 2026, 16:36#45

Theater?... do have any idea what damage he's done already.



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Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
06 Apr 2026, 16:40#46

As long as he's entertaining you Trumpanzees, right? Never mind all the people dying because of him.


Unbelievable.

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DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
06 Apr 2026, 16:57#47

It's not about entertainment... it's about generating distractions to have freedom to maneuver...and I like to focus on the damage he has undone...you can keep on focusing on the shiny things.

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Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
06 Apr 2026, 16:59#48

Ummm . . . so what were you talking about when you called it "theater"?

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Stavanger1
Pro4,532 posts
06 Apr 2026, 17:11#49

DbDraad is living proof that there's no limit to how far down the rabbit hole people will travel for Trump.

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Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
06 Apr 2026, 17:14#50

Looks like he's also saying it wasn't the US who blew up the girls school and 140 little girls . . . it was the Iranians who orchestrated it using the Tomahawk missile they've been hiding for all these years that no-one knew about.


It's actually disgusting.

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Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
06 Apr 2026, 18:08#51

So do you accept that only a quantitatively challenged individual would think that a a country with a net worth $180 trillion, could have received a gift with a net worth of supposedly $ 300 trillion today? A simple affirmation works for me.

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Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
06 Apr 2026, 18:38#52

A quantitively-challenged (and manipulative) individual would use compound interest when it suits him and then blatantly disregard compound interest when it doesn't suit him.


Have I answered your question?

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Stavanger1
Pro4,532 posts
06 Apr 2026, 19:20#53

So do you accept that only a quantitatively challenged individual would think that a a country with a net worth $180 trillion, could have received a gift with a net worth of supposedly $ 300 trillion today? A simple affirmation works for me.



can you give me a break down of the size of the us economy year by year since 2000


Here’s a clear, year?by?year breakdown of U.S. nominal GDP from 2000 through 2025, using the most consistent and complete dataset available from Multpl, which provides annual GDP values in trillions of dollars.

???? U.S. GDP by Year (2000–2025)

Below is the full list of nominal GDP (not inflation?adjusted) for each year.

?? Table: U.S. GDP (Trillions of USD)

YearGDP (Trillions)
202531.49202429.83202328.42202226.77202124.81202022.09201921.93201820.92201720.04201619.09201518.44201417.91201317.19201216.42201115.84201015.31200914.65200814.61200714.72200614.04200513.32200412.53200311.77200211.06200110.66200010.44


Source: Multpl U.S. GDP historical data.

?? Quick Insights

?? Long?term growth

From $10.44T in 2000 to $31.49T in 2025, the U.S. economy nearly tripled in nominal size.

?? Major periods

  1. 2000–2007: Steady expansion before the financial crisis
  2. 2008–2009: Flat/declining GDP during the Great Recession
  3. 2010–2019: Long recovery and expansion
  4. 2020: COVID?19 contraction
  5. 2021–2025: Strong rebound and continued growth

If you want, I can also provide:

? Real GDP (inflation?adjusted) ? Growth rates year?over?year ? A chart or visualization ? Breakdown by sector (tech, manufacturing, services, etc.)

Just tell me what you'd like next!



if you add all that up what's the total size since 2000



If you simply add up all U.S. nominal GDP from 2000 through 2025, you’re essentially asking:

What is the total cumulative economic output of the U.S. over that 26?year period?

Let’s walk through it cleanly.

???? Total U.S. GDP Produced Since 2000

Using the year?by?year GDP values you requested earlier, the sum from 2000 through 2025 is:

? $493.44 trillion (nominal GDP)

That’s the total amount of economic output generated over those 26 years.

?? How that number was calculated

I added each year’s nominal GDP (in trillions):

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10.44 + 10.66 + 11.06 + 11.77 + 12.53 + 13.32 + 14.04 + 14.72 +14.61 + 14.65 + 15.31 + 15.84 + 16.42 + 17.19 + 17.91 + 18.44 +19.09 + 20.04 + 20.92 + 21.93 + 22.09 + 24.81 + 26.77 + 28.42 +29.83 + 31.49 = 493.44

All values in trillions of dollars.


So when can France expect that cheque in the post?

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Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
06 Apr 2026, 20:09#54

A quantitively-challenged (and manipulative) individual would use compound interest when it suits him and then blatantly disregard compound interest when it doesn't suit him.


In the case of France we don’t know what the base number is, nor do we have any idea what the rate of return to apply is. So we apply a logical test.


The amount France gifted in 1776, was a fraction of the French wealth in 1776. What was that number. Again hard to tell. But the French National Wealth today is $21 trillion and the GDP is $3.5 trillion. The French defense budget is $70 billion. So defense is currently 0.3% of national wealth.


So how much of the French defense budget in 1776 would have been dedicated to America….maybe a third. So if we assume the current numbers are a decent proxy between national wealth and defense, roughly 1/1000 of national wealth would have been spent on Case America.


So if 1/1000 of National Wealth was donated to America in 1776, and the remaining 999/1000 produced $21 trillion today…..how much is France missing by not having that extra 1/1000. See if you can work it out.




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Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
06 Apr 2026, 20:19#55

can you give me a break down of the size of the us economy year by year since 2000


Dear me, are we truly at this level of ignorance. GDP is income against which there are private and public expenditures. The net effect in most years is negative, that’s why borrowing goes up it doesn’t go down.


Adding up GDP numbers is meaningless. The only way to assess a contribution to wealth is through National Net Wealth.


And suggesting France made a gift of $ 300 trillion to a country with a net value of $180 trillion, France a country that in today’s terms is worth $21 trillion, is funny to quote Trad.


This wasn’t a financial amount that would have changed the French Wealth by much. It was a history changing event, that allowed the US to come to fruition earlier with undoubtedly massive benefits. The action and the result are not quantitatively linked. Easily proved by the size of the French economy today.


Back to the US gift, applying the same logic of what was spent, we can accrete those funds at the treasury rate, ie the US just borrowed less and get a larger amount than France’s Net Wealth today. The US in effect gifted Europe …France.




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Stavanger1
Pro4,532 posts
06 Apr 2026, 20:30#56

ROLF... you can just tell the desperation in Moz's posts as he frantically tries to convince himself he didn't just getting utterly owned. He's going be smarting from this one for a long time to come.

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Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
06 Apr 2026, 20:43#57

No the person who is owned is the moron who really believed a country with a net worth of 180 trillion can have been gifted 300 trillion,

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Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
06 Apr 2026, 20:45#58

By the way it’s ROFl not ROLF….that would imply even the floor is laughing at your ignorance. ROFL!

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clevermike
Coach57,555 posts
06 Apr 2026, 21:06#59

Rooidoos


I think it would be a lot more accurate to say anti-Bozo rather than anti-American.


I went on a 6 month holiday to Europe in 1972 and stayed 3 weeks in France. One thing was sure - at before that De Gaulle temporarily suspended NATO membership. But let me explain I was warned not to speak English because the people I came in contact would despise me - so I spoke Afrikaans and the people I spoke to believed I was Dutch or Flemish and they became nice and friendly because I was not American or from the UK, When I then switched to English - suiddenly everybody knew English and I was dealt with on a freindly basis.


Since then I went to France 4 times and was always using the same technique to get good service,


Now my quesion to you is = was Trump USA President since th 1950's?



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DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
07 Apr 2026, 01:50#60

LMFAO!...Ou Maaik, you're wasting your time with these folks...the media did a great job on them.

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