God throws Folau under a bus . . .

For those Easter Worshippers who are less interested in the rugby side of this Folau story and more interested in self-righteous preaching, here's a thread for you . . . and a question.

Did God chuck Israel Folau under a bus?

Here's one of his most loyal sheep putting his entire rugby career in jeopardy to preach the Word and he gets into hot water for it from the naughty globalist satanists. So does God use his special powers to help his god-fearing Wallaby fullback disciple and clear him of the charges? No, he does nothing . . . just as he does nothing when his believers are murdered and his places of worship are burned to the ground.

If he is still around, he obviously doesn't care anymore. Either that or his superpowers aren't as powerful as the Easter Worshippers would have us believe. The god of the Old Testament would have had Raelene Castle stoned to death and rained fire and brimstone on Sydney and the Sodomites . . . the same god today does nothing at all. Zip. Folau's reward for preaching the Word is nothing. Zip. Not even a Thank You card.

True Piss Mint

You are stating exactly what I have been posting about for a while now on this forum

This is exactly why I asked the question about all the other Christian sports players around the world rallying around Folau and making a unified stand about the right to post anything about their religion...…..whilst playing whatever sport they have signed up for.

Nothing at all happened, not even remotely close to anything happened...… because all those sports people knew, with any shadow of a doubt...... that they would all lose their own multi million dollar sports contracts.....

Selective criteria on when and when not to be a really true Christian

I often believe that for certain Christians, if the potential loss was worth $10 - $100, then its at least worth defending being a Christian...... but if it's worth a few million, it's best to rather shut up and not voice you true Christian beliefs

What a pity

Imagine that happening sharkbok…… a very interesting concept

LOL

I've never been able to understand how Christians and Muslims can second guess God's will. How is it possible for a mere mortal to put himself in the shoes as a matter of speak or better still in the mind of a super being. That said, it never applies when a crazed gunman for example runs into a church and kills worshippers.  It's one thing that pisses me off big time and I've lost friendships because of it.

I read a very tragic article yesterday about a man who lost his wife 6 months after they got married, due to some very stupid and random car accident... where she was not at fault, it was because a bus ran a red light.

His first words into the interview were....

"I was brought up believing, and always have lived my life believing, that everything in life, happens for a reason....."

"Until this happened to me"

Totally tragic and unexpected, but he spoke the honest truth...….

He later said in the interview that he always thought that way, when it happened to everyone else around him, thinking it would never happen to him.... and now that it has, he has changed his mind, because his wife was his true love and soulmate, and it should never have happened like that to them

Reading the article, you cannot but feel incredibly sorry for the poor man 

Our opinions always change, and sometimes even  our beliefs as well

I sincerely believe that people has the right to their own beliefs when it pertains to religion and the democratic right to state what they believe in.   That is what makes the Folau story a real tragedy.  Here we have a morally exemplary and very good sportsman be punished for what he believes in and dare to say what he thinks is wrong in society.

The day when that is done in the way that happened in the Folau case it is a dangerous sign that there are a dictator class emerging that is imperiling real democratic values.    Folau never threatened anybody physically and for all intends and purposes wrote what he believes will happen to people after their death,   In other words - why the hysteria about the issue, 

From a purely rugby perspective what happened is going to be to the detriment of the game of rugby in Australia as he is a hero of the true rugby supporters and whereas the game in Australia is under pressure already the removal of Folau and the way it was done is in facts elf-destructive,                  

I sincerely believe that people has the right to their own beliefs when it pertains to religion and the democratic right to state what they believe in.   That is what makes the Folau story a real tragedy.  Here we have a morally exemplary and very good sportsman be punished for what he believes in and dare to say what he thinks is wrong in society.

The day when that is done in the way that happened in the Folau case it is a dangerous sign that there are a dictator class emerging that is imperiling real democratic values.    Folau never threatened anybody physically and for all intends and purposes wrote what he believes will happen to people after their death,   In other words - why the hysteria about the issue, 

From a purely rugby perspective what happened is going to be to the detriment of the game of rugby in Australia as he is a hero of the true rugby supporters and whereas the game in Australia is under pressure already the removal of Folau and the way it was done is in fact s elf-destructive,                  

From a religious perspective, I'd argue that we quantify life by what we have experienced on earth.

Without knowing what exists in the afterlife, we cannot make any reasonable comparison.

Even the deepest suffering on earth might turn out to be insignificant once one is clued into what goes on after you die.

A bit like trying to explain to a pre-school child that his having dropped his cake in the sand is not really such a big deal, despite how aweful he feels in that moment. 

Well, we should ask the Pakistani team what they believe should happen to apostates...in this life.

Maaik, too true. The thought police want to force there beliefs on others. How supposed progressive people can be apposed to his right to state some of the fundamentals of his faith is beyond me. Christianity has become offensive to the world....Well funny thing is, the more progressive the world becomes , the more broken it becomes too. The world did better when more people believed. 

Ou rooitwitterbug trying to fathom the mind of God. 

Firstly rooitwit I don't want to be unkind but your darkened mind has no chance whatsoever of understanding anything regarding  God. You are blind and do not see, deaf and hear not. 

Rooitwit although we know lots of things concerning God we do not always know the future. 

As things stand Folau is better known today than ever before. He has made a great stand. It looks like it may be a great time to leave rugby and get on with God's work in a more focused way. "When I became a man I put away childish things"

How will they know unless they are told. The preaching of the Gospel has ALWAYS been an offense but nevertheless it must and always has been preached in season and out of season. 

Nothing man can do will ever stop the Gospel being preached. "How beautiful upon the mountains are they you bring good news"

Amen and Amen

Great post Seb. 

The arguments used is totally flawed and I believe that the discord on religious issues  are in fact destructive and counter-productive. 

This is basically a rugby site - the argument on the Folau issue suddenly changed to become  part of a religious war some members on the site choose to attack religious beliefs of others.   There is NOT a single word written by site members about Folau is a rugby player - he became a target because of his personal religious beliefs,

That is total BS since in my opinion it resemble a world wide trend  to attack Christianity as a root of all evil in the world,   There has always been religious excesses in whatever religion is practiced and  that cannot be excused - but an all out verbal attack on believing Christians are totally wrong.  

Personally I do not think this typ e of discussion could damage the Board membership and should ne discouraged at all costs,         .      

There must be something terrible in the minds of the world for them to single out one aspect of fallen man, ie homosexuality.

Folau just quoted from one verse which reads in context below. Besides the current issue there are other iniquities, adultery, thieves, the greedy and swindlers etc Why is just homosexuality singled out...is the world becoming a kingdom of tail gunners and poefters...like Sodom and Gormorrah...it seems it just except these drama queens particularly in Australia. MO(H) who hails from the UK was offended too...is the power of pc propaganda so strong internationally that it poisons the mind and distracts from the truth?

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; a]">[a]neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [by perversion], nor b]">[b]those who participate in homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers [whose words are used as weapons to abuse, insult, humiliate, intimidate, or slander], nor swindlers will inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God.

The question ? Are thieves and adulterers not offended too????

Much ado about nothing. Rugby of all things..MOh says many players today are fairies, well thats frightening...I went to a big rugby school and was a boarder...there were no homo's or effeminates at Maritzburg College, never and never saw in SA Defence force too.

It's a disease , a plague sweeping the world and the sadness is they are blinded.

Aag nee man Rooi, dis nou genoeg!

The problem is that the world through better communication has become a more open place to live in and it is virtually impossible not to be up to date with world news events.    The world is getting over-populated and the result is more ghastly than was known ever before, 

I believe that people are looking for answers about issues that happen world wide and the answer is not simple at all.   Most went for religion as an answer to the major problems encountered and that is their right to do so.   

I think we will never find the answer to what cause natural and personal disasters in our lives and I think the answer will never be found on this site,   That is why I constantly refer to the need to stay away from discussing  the issues relating to religion on this site,

I would like to give the following example.     In the case of the inauguration of Dutch Monarchs all members of the Dutch Parliament - also those from the few remaining Dutch colonies must indicate their support or non-support of the new monarch,   In doing so they have to either indicate -

*   so help me God; or 

*   I affirm

At the inauguration of King Willem Alexander there were some indication of what the divide amongst the Dutch are - the Muslim and  Whiite agnostics use the term "I affirm" and at the inauguration about 40% used the "I affirm" option and the rest used the "So help me God" option.      Included  in the 60% were all the 5 Black members of the Dutch Parliament.  

So there is even a  racial divide on the issue as is typified in the case of Folau - so nothing new.  One wonders whether a debate on the issue of religion will ever provide an answer on the issues people encounter in their daily life and I think on this site it is divisive and lead to needless arguments on issues there will never be agreement on.     If the Dutch as a nation cannot agree on the issue - how will we ever agree?

I am afraid I have a shock for Beeno as well.- his hero in Dutch politics is Geert Wilders, leader of the nationalist PVV in the Netherlands - went the "I affirm" route in the relevant case.   So all is not what he gave us regularly on site.                             

Mike is right...it is a fruitless task to change peoples outlook and view points. We believe what we want to believe. One thing however is absolute in that every single human being will be held to account...what we sow in life we shall reap. If we don't recant or repent (that's not merely feeling sorry for one's self but changing and renouncing from what is wrong) then there is not forgiveness.

We all have flaws and weakness's and some addictions which we must renounce and turn from but that very ugly thing called pride and ego gets in the way. If we feed them they grow and it blinds us.

Having said that this forum would be a far better place if religion, spiritual matters, beliefs and politics were banned and excluded here.

The reason is simple because it is obvious that we all come from different backgrounds and upbringing.

But we all have one thing in common, the love of sport and should stick to it.

Contraversial matters should be buried. It creates issues and issues...I know some enjoy this but it's twisted and some of us just enjoy the rugby, the cricket and general matters of interest that we can share.

Anyway that is just an opinion but I'm sure there are others that will agree.

Rooi, there are no Magic Beardman or Easter Worshipers. Why are you so angry at Christianity? Why all the mocking and ridiculing? It's not logical...what do you fear?

Well that explains why god does nothing he is too busy judging people. the back log must be immense unless your trial lasts something like 2 seconds, sounds like a kangaroo court to me.

Obviously god didn't think it through when he decided to judge people, he is probably still working his way through the back log of all those he murdered with that big flood he organised.

So where does he put us as we wait for out turn, I have a feeling it could take thousands of years before he gets round to us so I hope its somewhere with a bar and sport on the TV.

your trial lasts something like 2 seconds

Haha...eternity knows no time factor. It's a different factor we cannot possibly understand or define because this world is monitoured by time by the One who created time ...it's very precious here but not limited in eternity...it depends whether you believe it or not or more terrible where you spend it.

And where did you get this information or are you just guessing?

Again, sounds like someone making shit up and offering it as fact. It must be great living in a world where you can answer a question with any old load of codswallop with not one shred of evidence to support it.

You say yourself you cant understand it or define it but there you go stating a "fact" about it. Can't have it both ways.

I still think it is b etter not to respond to the "Hate Christianity" campaign of some members on site,  

Ja Mike, I should probably start doing the same.

Its not a hate Christianity, its simply pointing out the contradictions and plain stupidity of some of the Christian beliefs.

I don't have a problem with you holding these beliefs but why when someone questions anything to do with religion we are instantly labelled as God haters/Satan worshippers or worse?

Are you all so insecure in your beliefs that you dare not question your religion, and when people point out the errors and failings are you scared that it raises doubts in your own mind?

Surely if there is a God he is not going to condemn you for questions parts of your faith.

The biggest trouble I think you face is simply that you cannot answer most if not all the questions raised without just making something up without a shred of evidence to support your view.

Look its so simple, if there was a God then surely science (not creationists pseudo science cobblers) would clearly point to him but it does the exact opposite and exposes the bible as a load of nonsense. Since Christianity relies solely on the bible as proof then its not looking good for your religion.

And I will say it again I am not attacking you personally its your religion I have an issue with.

I hope you continue to state your views and defend your faith it makes it much more interesting than just having everyone on the same side  

Oh my poor old crust fan wondering how long would it take to complete the judgment. If it takes 2 seconds it would be a kangaroo court. 

Hahahahahaha how the darkened mind just has no idea of the greatness of the Almighty!!!!

God would judge 10 billion people with 100%accuracy in a nano second. 

These mampara judge GOD by their own limitations. What a profoundly stupid thing to do. LOL! 

Get real rooitwit I have posted abundant evidence that Science has proven God existence. Evidence you have not refuted and clearly have not even bothered to read and hence your abysmal ignorance continues to this day. Sad but true. 

So in this judgement we don't get to ask any questions he just clicks his fingers and its done?

Doesn't sound like a fair deal to me.

Also how do you know he can or just another case of someone making up more bullshit without a shred of evidence? 

Also Cretard pseudo science is not real science Beeno. If science proved the existence of god why are the vast majority of scientists Atheists, surely it would be the other way around.

I have listened to a lot of creation "science" and most of it is in the realm of the lunatics. I will stick to real science you can follow the fools

Yes old crust you have to be a very serious loon to believe the Universe created itself out of nothing. Or how so much information is stored in one strand of DNA. Or how the 3 billion long human genome is written in a 4 letter alphabet. Of how the simplest cell came into being, or how matter began to live. 

You are a hopeless nutjob and you know it

HAHAHAHA what a "fool".

Nothing is impossible for God. You simply do not even begin to appreciate the awesome power of God. 

He spoke (big bang? ) and the world's came into being.

You guys on the lunatic fringe need to get up to date with what science is revealing. Thankfully there are only 450 million of you crazies in the planet. 

Atheists are by definition fools as God has rightly said. The clowns are in a desperate state as they cannot explain how what they can see now just happened or evolved. 

Man it's so funny to see them desperately clinging to the Darwin corpse that has been taken off to the cemetery!!! 

A few weeks ago, Folau said that if it is God's will that he does not play any more rugby, he will give up rugby. 

However, in an article today he said that he still has a lot of rugby in him - can we assume then that it is not God's will for him to retire. 

How can someone in the 21st century still be stuck in the dark ages? A primitive.