Grooming Gangs

"Absolutely no doubt? Did you actually read the report because in it they do acknowledge other researchers have made the point that the findings of the study could be skewed by the fact that the sample size is quite small and the fact that the research was reliant on media reports to find cases of GLCSE, thus if the media has a bias in reporting cases of Muslim grooming gangs over non Muslim gangs its going result a sampling error."

Duh ....precisely why I trust the report.

They have openly admitted and discussed all possible negatives and potential positives which could affect the outcome and integrity of the report..... they have been very transparent on what criteria could have skewed the research and still posted their results after extrapolting certain information using the census and other information.... after doing everything they can to ensure the integrity of their research.

"I literally produced stats, but because you don't like them you just say there bullshit."

They are 100% bullshit....you need to read more into what your stats are, and how they were obtained.... I won't do it for you.

"I'm not minimizing or downplaying anything. I'm just not fixated on these occurrences over and above occurrences of it when its done by white people, in attempt to push an agenda"

You do and always have

"That's exactly what it was "some" cases that you are fixated on."

I hope they do another full investigation in this, because this is going to come back and absolutely burn you and totally embarrass you..... I have no doubt at all, and you can hold me to this for as long as I stay on this forum...... you have no idea what you are talking about...

"The incident occurred on July 24th, the motive was known within less than 24 hours"

"When you brought up the incident on this forum weeks had passed since the incident occurred yet you never mentioned the motive. I suspect you didn't know because where you get your news from either didn't report it or mentioned it briefly in passing and you didn't notice or didn't pick up on it enough to remember.

And aside from the point, if you didn't know what the motive was shouldn't you refrain from commenting on it, what about getting all the facts?."

"Odd that. You seem to get all the news that reflects badly on Muslims and pick up everything you perceive as two tier system favoring Muslims and post about it here, but miss the news when it contradicts that. Awfully coincidental."

Yeah, what is really odd to me is that you yourself never mentioned any of this information back then, within the 24 - 48 hours after the incident, to disprove anything that anybody was saying on here, including me..... which goes to show me that you also found this information out much later after it occurred.... so you are lying again.

"Why do I need to ask. I mean you took an interest in talking about the incident in a certain way. You where quite annoyed that the Muslims who where involved hadn't been charged, implying that it was more evidence of a two tier legal system in the UK favoring Muslims. Just find it interesting that the traffic is all one way with you. Zero balance"

Well, it seems to have been very important to you, and if it was, you would have provided the motive for what happened back then..... within this 24 - 48 hours after the incident and post was made...but much like me, you were clearly not aware of it back then, hence why you didn't post anything..... and you are only doing it now because you only recently became aware of it when you researched what happened to these Muslims and the cops after the fact.....

You are not a very truthful fellow Stav, it's very obvious how you operate.

"Look at DA's first response to my post. I posted a link to a video that cited that report. And he started questioning my character and calling me pathetic. All I did was cite a source that was quoting what amounts to about as hard evidence as you can get on the issue. I mean I wasn't expecting him to respond positively but how else are you suppose to try to have a debate on the topic. Its clear that some people have already made reached their conclusions and won't even begin to consider other possibilities."

Because you tend to undermine how serious certain issues are, like this, that can affect so many innocent people around the UK, and that you also have no idea at all about what is happening on your own doorstep, which is disgraceful in my eyes.

"No surprises, DA is being true to his tradition, firstly he won't debate sincerely, just like ButtPlug he's all about winning the 'debate' and to put you down in the process by insulting your character as they have in the above posts. Like Buttplug he is a child of Apartheid, when a muslim rapes a white girl it is 10 times worse than when a white man rapes a white girl, the comparison to Apartheid as an example is no different, when a black man raped a white girl it was 10 times worse than when a white man raped a black girl. I'm quoting South African magistrates.

Stav, once again I'll say to you, you're wasting your time debating the pair of prejudiced and racist would be's if they could be."

At least we don't want to kill a whole race of people.... based on the colour of their skin......over and over again ..... in the most horrific and disgusting ways....

"When these occurrences of the police being unwilling to look into Muslim perpetrated child abuse cases, its not so much protecting multiculturalism as it is the desire not to be seen to be racist. There may also be concerns that investigations into Muslims child sex abuse cases would whip racial violence in the UK. Ironically its these sort of incidents that drive up suspicion of Muslims"

Whether it could or would wip up racial violence is still no excuse at all to supress the conc erns and facts regarding what is happening, which you would support.

The media have refused to cover it, either by direct instructions from certain politicans, or from other individuals or organisations.... the same for the police, which is now becoming very apparent.

Have you ever heard of "Lexis"

Well here is a report from Matt Goodwin in the UK, regarding research on the media coverage of grooming gangs over the years in the UK....

Here it is below

Today, a number of prominent journalists criticised my suggestion that the UK media class has failed to sufficiently cover the rape gangs scandal, which will go down as one of the biggest scandals in our history

So, I decided to take a closer look at the data.

Trust me, you'll want to read until the end

First, the boring bit. How did I do it?

I used something called Lexis, a database researchers use to search content across UK newspapers

Every good researcher out there knows how to use it so they can duplicate my work and check

One of my critics today said my use of "grooming gangs" in my initial numbers was misleading because much of the coverage in UK newspapers uses "grooming gang" not "gangS".

OK then, let's use that

And let's just look at articles that are specifically about this scandal and don't just mention it in passing

What did I find?

Let's look at the years 2011-2025 because before that, even though the rape gangs scandal goes back decades, there was NOTHING in UK media.

Nothing.

They didn't touch it AT ALL --despite widespread rumours pushed by groups like the BNP and EDL

2011 is a crucial year because it's when renegade and HERO Andrew Norfolk, at The Times, started to write the first early pieces, despite abuse & harassment

First, let's look at ALL UK newspapers

In 2011-2025 there were 4,659 articles specifically focused on the "grooming gang" phenomenon

Wow

Sounds a lot right?

Remember the number.

"Grooming gang" = 4,659

But now let's compare that with how much coverage the media class gave to other scandals and terms

"white privilege" = 6,146

"anti-Muslim" = 17,152

"post office" and "horizon" =20,274

"extreme right" = 21,252

"Islamophobia" = 23,461

"Greta Thunberg" = 22,717

"expenses scandal" =25,585

"Stephen Lawrence" = 29,808

"anti-racism" = 34,484

"Windrush" = 35,515

"George Floyd" = 38,824

"Black Lives Matter" = 59,338

"Grenfell" = 71,422

"Britain" and "racism" = 75,693

"Net Zero" = 141,367

"far right" = 231,540

"racism" = 382,069

I could go on.

I think the numbers speak for themselves.

Relative to other scandals and amid a strong liberal bias in parts of the media class, the mass rape of young, working-class white girls & women just wasn't a priority

Yes, there were newspapers that broke the story and pushed it, like the Times in 2011

But even there, the 440 articles built around "grooming gang" between 2011-2025 is dwarfed by, say, the 2,868 on "Islamophobia", the 3,202 on Stephen Lawrence, the 2,603 on George Floyd, or the 5,524 on BLM

My point is not to bash individual newspapers but to say that relative to other race-related stories and debates, the rape gangs scandal --ARGUABLY THE BIGGEST SCANDAL IN OUR HISTORY-- has received very little coverage from the media class

I'd give you the numbers for liberal progressive papers like The Guardian/Observer but frankly they're absurd

Oh ok then

Between 2011 and 2025 the Guardian had 113 articles on the grooming gang phenomenon compared to 3,325 for "Islamophobia"

What about the BBC?

We can look at BBC News 24 and BBC Radio 4

There were 357 specific mentions of the "grooming gang" scandal in BBC News/Radio 4 transcripts

Meanwhile, there were 7,537 for "George Floyd", 3,219 for "Stephen Lawrence", 7,416 for "Black Lives Matter", and 2,259 for "Islamophobia"

You get the picture. I won't keep going

But what I will say is this.

These girls were never a priority in Media Land

Relative to other scandals they were at first ignored and then downplayed

Too many of the middle-class, Oxbridge-educated, socially liberal if not radically woke progressive elites who control the parameters of what they think is our national "debate" routinely steer clear of scandals and issues that violate tightly-controlled taboos around immigration, multiculturalism, "diversity" in all its forms, and which are backed up with alarmist narratives about the "far right" and "Islamophobia" to warn others off from asking difficult questions or challenging the elite consensus in Westminster and London

This HAS to change

As I wrote in my Substack this morning, @elonmusk has done Britain a favour by forcing us to reckon with a truly NATIONAL scandal that has for too long been ignored and pushed to the side by political, media, and cultural elites in wider society

This past week, we have been pushed into a new era in which millions of people up and down this country are either learning about the rape gangs crisis for the first time or hearing shocking new details they did not know before and can scarcely believe

And millions of people are now asking some enormous questions. How did our country let this happen to our children? Why was it overlooked? Why did so many people stay silent? Is it still happening today? What can we do to stop it? Who is pursuing the truth in media? Who is naming and shaming? And why does the UK media class fall over itself when a single American man dies in Minneapolis while seemingly not giving a shit about the thousands of CHILDREN who have been abused, raped and harassed here in Britain?

The people have tuned into this scandal, in other words. They have taken notice and they are watching. The only question now is whether the media class has bothered to notice and will actually get on top of this scandal and push it to front of the agenda or continue to ask ridiculous questions like it did for much of today, deflecting from its glaring failures to instead obsess about Elon Musk.

Find the truth and tell us the truth.

That's your job.

I really don't care what you believe, and I am not here to convince you of anything....but I do know that I myself have made an informed decision based on a lot of information, evidence and testimony that I have read, viewed, and listened to, from politicians, ex police members, victims themselves, including Muslim members of their community etc etc, so nothing will convince me that this has not been a massive and concerted suppression of sensitive and disturbing information, to protect a certain group of people, at the expense of young and innocent white girls across the UK.

"Well the previous UK government commissioned a report which made 20 recommendations which it ignored. Its a more than a bit ironic that the Tories are now calling for another report"

When you post something like this, that's when I know for sure that you are absolutely oblivious to what and how that report was conducted.....

There are very clear and explicit reasons why so many people are demanding another investigation into this issue..... and I can see that you clearly have no idea at all what you are talking about

Then you start realising that information is coming out now that this grooming and sexual assault of young Wihte girls has occurred in over 50 cities around the UK

Grooming Cities

Then you get Douglas Murray, who is spot on with this statement 

“If you are working class and white, and you don't like the mass rape of young girls, you're labeled a Na zi in this country.”

Douglas Murray

CPS under Keir Starmer would often not prosecute these Muslim child rapists, even when DNA was found on the child's underwear

Starmer Failure

Here I agree with Nigel Farage ...

Keir Starmer is sweeping the failures of the establishment under the carpet

Nothing less than a full national inquiry into the rape gangs will do

Nigel Farage

As much as I agree and disagree with Tommy Robinson, he was 200% spot on here ... back in 2011

Tommy Robinson

And let us not forget, what actually started this, back in 2011

The Times

And people still want to believe that everything was done properly, with integrity..... and that all of these investigations were all above board and that the resulting reports were accurate and nothing was redacted, ignored or taken out completely to prevent any unn ecessary disruptions to the social make up of the UK

Yeah, well if you still believe all that, especially after everything that is coming out now, nothing will ever convince you of anything different... ever. 

Duh ....precisely why I trust the report.

They have openly admitted and discussed all possible negatives and potential positives which could affect the outcome and integrity of the report..... they have been very transparent on what criteria could have skewed the research and still posted their results after extrapolting certain information using the census and other information....

So you trust a report because it has potential flaws?

Cut the crap, you trust the report because you want to believe its findings because they support your world view.

after doing everything they can to ensure the integrity of their research.

Nice little flourish you added at the end, something you have zero way of knowing. You're just tacking that on in end end to that report sound more convincing.

They are 100% bullshit....you need to read more into what your stats are, and how they were obtained.... I won't do it for you.

AKA The report is bullshit, but I won't tell you why its bullshit.

You do and always have

The problem is you're so far down the right wing rabbit hole in general you have no concept of being able to assess any topic subjectively and just lash out at all that don't agree with you. That's why back during the riots you where so fixated on a small amount of incidents involving Muslim criminality (usually lacking context), while there was literally hundreds if not thousands of incidents of criminality being carried out by the the mostly white British rioters.

I hope they do another full investigation in this, because this is going to come back and absolutely burn you and totally embarrass you..... I have no doubt at all, and you can hold me to this for as long as I stay on this forum...... you have no idea what you are talking about...

LOL yet another thing that's going come out...eventually...(sometime before the heat death of the universe hopefully). I won't hold my breath.

Yeah, what is really odd to me is that you yourself never mentioned any of this information back then, within the 24 - 48 hours after the incident, to disprove anything that anybody was saying on here, including me..... which goes to show me that you also found this information out much later after it occurred.... so you are lying again.

So you're not going admit you where wrong when you said absolutely nobody reported the motive close to the event. But nice deflection. I knew about the motive when I looked up the topic when you brought it up back at the time we had the back and forth about the riots. I had heard of the incident in passing before that but hadn't looked it up till that discussion. But aside from that point I wasn't the one who brought up the incident to portray Muslims in a negative light, if you're going do so then you might want to spend sometime getting all your facts straight first.

Well, it seems to have been very important to you, and if it was, you would have provided the motive for what happened back then..... within this 24 - 48 hours after the incident and post was made...but much like me, you were clearly not aware of it back then, hence why you didn't post anything..... and you are only doing it now because you only recently became aware of it when you researched what happened to these Muslims and the cops after the fact.....

I didn't bring up the incident or comment on it within 24-48, because I'm not obsessed with making threads on Muslims crimes. I don't make threads on the crimes of white people either.  As for the motive I knew from the time I looked it up from the that previous thread where it came up, I had only heard of the incident in passing up till that point. As for the update on what happened to the Muslims and cops involved, I've known that since early December when the news came out. I'm bringing it up now because its relevant to the discussion we are having.

You are not a very truthful fellow Stav, it's very obvious how you operate.

Hopefully one day you will figure out I'm probably one of the few people interacting with you on these topics that isn't lying too you, I'm not the one exploiting your prejudices.

Because you tend to undermine how serious certain issues are, like this, that can affect so many innocent people around the UK, and that you also have no idea at all about what is happening on your own doorstep, which is disgraceful in my eyes.

So posting a link to a video about a government report into the topic under discussion is undermining the issue? Absolutely child sex abuse and group child sex abuse incidents are very serious topics, they are literally among the worst and most vile crimes that exist, no one is saying otherwise. But its also very serious issue too hyper focus on the crimes of one minority group of people while not placing the same emphasis on the cases that are committed by non-minorities in order to create an atmosphere of general hostility towards the minority group.

Whether it could or would wip up racial violence is still no excuse at all to supress the concerns and facts regarding what is happening, which you would support.

I agree with that, its not excuse and suppression of concerns or facts actually has the opposite effect, it increases suspicion.

The media have refused to cover it, either by direct instructions from certain politicans, or from other individuals or organisations.... the same for the police, which is now becoming very apparent.

Occurrences of these things did happen but as I've said its being hyper fixated on the right wing media in the UK, such as the Daily Mail, The Telegraph, the Daily Express and GB News. They are creating a distorted impression of reality.

Have you ever heard of "Lexis"

No I never heard of Lexis. Just looked it up.

Well here is a report from Matt Goodwin in the UK, regarding research on the media coverage of grooming gangs over the years in the UK....

Matt Goodwin another right whinge bag with his own show on GB news. I recently came across a video he made on how to solve the issue of illegal migrants entering via small boats which was full of factual inaccuracies and misrepresentations.

But lets look at some of his points.

Let's look at the years 2011-2025 because before that, even though the rape gangs scandal goes back decades, there was NOTHING in UK media.

Meanwhile one second google search later.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-derbyshire-11799797

Well that's that point destroyed.

They didn't touch it AT ALL --despite widespread rumours pushed by groups like the BNP and EDL

Oh my, lets listen to rumors from two known fascists organizations of which the EDL has had over 60 of its members charge and convicted on charges relating to child sex abuse.

Remember the number.

"Grooming gang" = 4,659

But now let's compare that with how much coverage the media class gave to other scandals and terms

And you accuse me of being dishonest. As if Grooming gang is the only possible term a news organization could of used to cover the topic.

So for example here is a news article that would of been missed by his search

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089.amp

A more recent example.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn4xnv02nr0o

Another

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1558705/Woman-gang-raped-14-tells-horrifying-ordeal.html

Its a clever but disingenuous trick passed off as some sort of scientific research. And then comparing a search to something very specific like "net zero" a global topic which you literally have to actually say for people to understand what your talking about its just ridiculously dishonest.

I really don't care what you believe, and I am not here to convince you of anything....but I do know that I myself have made an informed decision based on a lot of information, evidence and testimony that I have read, viewed, and listened to, from politicians, ex police members, victims themselves, including Muslim members of their community etc etc, so nothing will convince me that this has not been a massive and concerted suppression of sensitive and disturbing information, to protect a certain group of people, at the expense of young and innocent white girls across the UK.

Well we can all believe what we want. Question is there enough evidence to back up those beliefs.

When you post something like this, that's when I know for sure that you are absolutely oblivious to what and how that report was conducted.....

There are very clear and explicit reasons why so many people are demanding another investigation into this issue..... and I can see that you clearly have no idea at all what you are talking about

Its very clear that some people will only accept a report if its findings are what it wants the findings to say.

Of the 4 links you posted only one of them is working for me. The one about Starmer failure.

Which doesn't prove what you think it proves. Nothing about the CPS not willing to prosecute Muslim simply because they are Muslim but a case in which the CPS did not believe the victim was credible enough for a successful prosecution, a class of classism.

As for Douglass Murray, another disingenuous argument. Of course we are against rape of working class girls and anyone else for that matter. The issue we have is the exploitation of these cases by bad faith actors to push an agenda.

As for Farage, come back to me when's not singing the praises of Andrew Tate a man facing charges of having sex with a minor and trafficking underage persons.

And you bring up Tommy Robinson, FFS the man who campaigned for justice for EDL member Richard Price a man who admitted to having child porn and the same Tommy Robinson who's antics outside a court nearly caused a grooming case trial to collapse and never once condemned a single one of the over 60 members of the EDL (the organization he created) who were found to have committed sexual abuses mostly against children. Its clear as daylight Robinson doesn't give a shit about child abuse committed by white men, only when its a Muslim.

The fact that you would link to anything that man would say and pass it off as credible and then you have the nerve to question my character.

And let us not forget, what actually started this, back in 2011

Lol you link to a tweet by Pier's Morgan and go on talk about integrity. Bit of a joke.

And people still want to believe that everything was done properly, with integrity..... and that all of these investigations were all above board and that the resulting reports were accurate and nothing was redacted, ignored or taken out completely to prevent any unnecessary disruptions to the social

You see this throwing as much mud on the wall and hoping something sticks. I've already said that there having been cases in which the UK police where reluctant to investigate Muslims suspects in child abuse cases in fear of being seen as racist. But that doesn't mean later inquires reports where not done correctly or lacked integrity and its not the fault of the present government that recommendations where not followed up on by the previous government.

Yeah, well if you still believe all that, especially after everything that is coming out now, nothing will ever convince you of anything different... ever.

I believe that the recommendations of the 2022 report should be implemented in full.

"So you trust a report because it has potential flaws?

Cut the crap, you trust the report because you want to believe its findings because they support your world view"

That would be correct, because it also ti es in with all the other information that I have received.

Unlike you, I can actually accept the flaws.... because they actually deliberately address these possible flaws mulitple times in their own report.... they have opened it up for scrutiny.

"Nice little flourish you added at the end, something you have zero way of knowing that. Your just tacking that on in end end to that report sound more convincing"

Says the guy who believes the other reports in circulation without questioning them at all.

"AKA The report is bullshit, but I won't tell you why its bullshit"

That's about it ...I told you already, do better, I am not doing it for you.

"The problem is you're so far down the right wing rabbit hole in general you have no concept of being able to assess any topic subjectively"

The irony

"LOL yet another thing that's going come out...eventually...(sometime before the heat death of the universe hopefully). I won't hold my breath"

You mean like your blatant lies that I "Always" do that..... you can't control your dishonesty dude, live with it.

"I knew about the motive when I looked up the topic when you brought it up back at the time we had the back and forth about the riots. I had heard of the incident in passing before that but hadn't looked it up till that discussion"

Another blatant lie.... because otherwise you would have set me and everyone else straight who went against your view or opinion back then in that post..... yet you did absolutely nothing at all...because you knew nothing at all back then...liar.

You are really stupid if you really want people on here to believe that you knew exactly what the truth was back then, but just decided to keep it to yourself, without taking the opportunity of correcting anybody.... what a blatant liar you are.

You only brought it up now because you only recently researched what happened to everyone involved well after that incident, just like me...so just stop lying man.

I didn't bring up the incident or comment on it within 24-48, because I'm not obsessed with making threads on Muslims crimes. I don't make threads on the crimes of white people either.  As for the motive I knew from the time I looked it up from the that previous thread where it came up, I had only heard of the incident in passing up till that point. As for the update on what happened to the Muslims and cops involved, I've known that since early December when the news came out. I'm bringing it up now because its relevant to the discussion we are having.

LMFAO .... "awfully coincidental" hey

"Hopefully one day you will figure out I'm probably one of the few people interacting with you on these topics that isn't lying too you, I'm not the one exploiting your prejudices"

Mmmmm... just LOTS of coincidences 

"But its also very serious issue too hyper focus on the crimes of one minority group of people while not placing the same emphasis on the cases that are committed by non-minorities in order to create an atmosphere of general hostility towards the minority group"

Yeah, well, if there was an issue with the under reporting of White or other race or ethnic based crimes in the UK, I would gladly bring it up and discuss it, but there doesn't seem to be a national and historical issue with that... simple

"Occurrences of these things did happen but as I've said its being hyper fixated on the right wing media in the UK, such as the Daily Mail, The Telegraph, the Daily Express and GB News. They are creating a distorted impression of reality"

You sound like Starmer now

"Its a clever but disingenuous trick passed off as some sort of scientific research. And then comparing a search to something very specific like "net zero" a global topic which you literally have to actually say for people to understand what your talking about its just ridiculously dishonest"

Not at all, unless someone else can dispute this information, using the same technology that he did, I will accept his information 

He challenged all other journalists in that post to dispute or double check all of his information that he provided, and he posted it publicly knowing that he was opening himself up to being corrected and criticised by his peers...... and if you thoroughly investigate how Lexis works, it is a very comprehensive and respected process / program, so a few Google searches by you won't change anything in that regard...

"Well we can all believe what we want. Question is there enough evidence to back up those beliefs"

If there is a new full, comprehensive and transparent investigation..... you would be thoroughly embarrassed.... mark my words, and as I have said, you can hold me to this statement.... I only hope that all the public pressure makes another proper investigation possible with the correct people involved. 

"Which doesn't prove what you think it proves"

I am not here to prove anything to anyone, and never have been...

I state my opinion and then post information on why I believe that information and why I made the decision to believe what I have, and if you don't want to accept that information, I really don't care at all.... just stating my opinion.

"Nothing about the CPS not willing to prosecute Muslim simply because they are Muslim but a case in which the CPS did not believe the victim was credible enough for a successful prosecution, a class of classism"

If it was just one case I would agree with you..... but it's not.... by far.

"As for Douglass Murray, another disingenuous argument. Of course we are against rape of working class girls and anyone else for that matter. The issue we have is the exploitation of these cases by bad faith actors to push an agenda"

Of course it is, because according to you and Starmer, anyone who wants to bring this up and actually get a proper investigation underway into why it happened and who was involved and responsible, is just a right wing activist... because under no circumstances whatsoever can we upset the Pakastani people.

"As for Farage, come back to me when's not singing the praises of Andrew Tate a man facing charges of having sex with a minor and trafficking underage persons"

I see, so according to you, Farage is wrong for saying and demanding this .... 

You see, I really don't care who he sings the praises for....in fact it's a very immature response from you...and I might not agree with a lot of what Farrage does or says, but with this statement of his, I do..... clearly you don't....and I dispise Andrew Tate as I have said many times on here before.

At least we don't want to kill a whole race of people.... based on the colour of their skin......over and over again ..... in the most horrific and disgusting ways....

You don't want to kill a race of people based on the colour of their skin?

Really?

But your lot did, not only that you demonized the oppressed for 46 long years. You denied them their humanity, crushed their spirit, stripped them of the right to vote, like pigs at a trough you grabbed the best of what there was for yourselves and wrote it into law(Immorality Act, Group Areas Act, Job Reservation)

Detention without trial, deaths in detention, the Sharpeville riots where kids who were running away were shot in the back. The Hector Peterson memorial is right on your doorstep in Soweto, bet you've never been to Soweto neither do you have any interest in going there huh? Activists were drugged, their bodies were loaded onto a plane then tossed into the Atlantic Ocean. 

 Did you say you didn't kill any racial group ? You fuckin destroyed them! 

For 46 long years!

"And you bring up Tommy Robinson, FFS the man who campaigned for justice for EDL member Richard Price a man who admitted to having child porn and the same Tommy Robinson who's antics outside a court nearly caused a grooming case trial to collapse and never once condemned a single one of the over 60 members of the EDL (the organization he created) who were found to have committed sexual abuses mostly against children. Its clear as daylight Robinson doesn't giv e a shit about child abuse committed by white men, only when its a Muslim.

The fact that you would link to anything that man would say and pass it off as credible and then you have the nerve to question my character."

This is what you always seem to get so wrong......very ...very often

Take the blinkers off just for a second.....you are so hyper focused on the ugly or bad things that people do... and because of that, you can just never ever see the good.... it actually completely blinds your moral judgement in so many of your posts....

Was Tommy Robinson wrong regarding his reporting of the sexual assault of young White english girls back in 2011 by Pakastani groups of men, which is what that link refers to...... yes or no?

"Lol you link to a tweet by Pier's Morgan and go on talk about integrity. Bit of a joke."

I actually linked to the news article from "The Times", that Piers posted, hence why I specifically called the link heading "The Times" and not Piers Morgan....stop being stupid and obtuse.

Why.... was the Times article that I referenced not true.... yes or no?

Just like I mentioned in another post, that I don't like Andrew Tate at all, in fact I dispise him, but I actually enjoyed some of the policies that he would want to implement if he were PM.

Thats the difference between you and me, I can separate that kind of reasoning and logic.... you can't, you are too emotional and never rational.... you just see the names Farage, Piers Morgan, Tommy Robinson and Andrew Tate and think, hell no.... there is absolutely nothing good at all that they could say.....when in fact, they can and often do.....but you just cannot see past their faults, whilst I can... so maybe .... just maybe you should actually go and read up on what Andrew Tate said are the policies he would implement if he were PM, and tell me he does not have some excellent points.

You are so bloody one minded.... you never ever seem to take the blinkers off and look at the bigger picture..... sheesh man.....grow up a bit.

"Really?

But your lot did, not only that you demonized the oppressed for 46 long years. You denied them their humanity, crushed their spirit, stripped them of the right to vote, like pigs at a trough you grabbed the best of what there was for yourselves and wrote it into law(Immorality Act, Group Areas Act, Job Reservation)

Detention without trial, deaths in detention, the Sharpeville riots where kids who were running away were shot in the back. The Hector Peterson memorial is right on your doorstep in Soweto, bet you've never been to Soweto neither do you have any interest in going there huh? Activists were drugged, their bodies were loaded onto a plane then tossed into the Atlantic Ocean. 

 Did you say you didn't kill any racial group ? You fuckin destroyed them! 

For 46 long years!"

I see where you are going with this.....

Maybe I should just blame you for everything the Zulu's and Xhosa's ever did in our hi story...

Does that also work for you?

"But your lot did, not only that you demonized the oppressed for 46 long years. You denied them their humanity, crushed their spirit, stripped them of the right to vote, like pigs at a trough you grabbed the best of what there was for yourselves and wrote it into law(Immorality Act, Group Areas Act, Job Reservation)

Detention without trial, deaths in detention, the Sharpeville riots where kids who were running away were shot in the back. The Hector Peterson memorial is right on your doorstep in Soweto, bet you've never been to Soweto neither do you have any interest in going there huh? Activists were drugged, their bodies were loaded onto a plane then tossed into the Atlantic Ocean. 

 Did you say you didn't kill any racial group ? You fuckin destroyed them! 

For 46 long years!"

Denise, you forgot to finish with BLM and a picture of a black fist.

Also, you're a rapist, murder, thief. You've been one for 350 years.

Cry a little for us...or are you already?

"

"I've already said that there having been cases in which the UK police where reluctant to investig ate Muslims suspects in child abuse cases in fear of being seen as racist"

Reluctant........ bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Sugar coat it as much as you want to dude....

"I believe that the recommendations of the 2022 report should be implemented in full"

I would take the recommendations of any new full and completely comprehensive report about what happend, who all was involved, what was investigated, what wasn't investigated.....what was redacted or left out of all these reports.... what was amended, and what testimony was literally edited to sound better and far less serious ..that resulted in so many victims not signing off their affidavits.

Problem is, I personally believe it would create such a huge issue for the British government that they probably would not really know what information to release, because of the extremlely volatile reactions from the British public.... but it needs to be done.

I see where you are going with this.....

You do...really?

Good for you, it's taken a while, I wonder why, actually if you weren't the racist scum that you are then there was no need to tell you. I mean at one point in your privilege life you must have wondered how it all came about. I mean you do live in South Africa don't you? You must have wondered why white people had all the privileges and that the oppressed didn't.  

Gosh that's wishful thinking on m y behalf, racist scum don't actually think that way do they? Course not, they didn't think that way for 46 years.

"You do...really?

Good for you, it's taken a while, I wonder why, actually if you weren't the racist scum that you are then there was no need to tell you. I mean at one point in your privilege life you must have wondered how it all came about. I mean you do live in South Africa don't you? You must have wondered why white people had all the privileges and that the oppressed didn't.  

Gosh that's wishful thinking on my behalf, racist scum don't actually think that way do they? Course not, they didn't think that way for 46 years."

I'm really pushing it here.... but I guess you missed the sarcasm....lol

I'm really pushing it here.... but I guess you missed the sarcasm....lol

And that's all you've got, perhaps the only foil for the shame your misery caused to millions of innocent people.

You truly are a disgusting person.

Denise, nobody gives a shit.

What's new, you didn't give a shit for 46 long years, why would you, now.

"Denise, nobody gives a shit.

What's new, you didn't give a shit for 46 long years, why would you, now."

That's right Denise, nobody gives a steam y pile about your opinion.

That's right Denise, nobody gives a steamy pile about your opinion.

Let me translate that.......I'm racist scum and I don't care that I am.

Taken your meds yet?

This is what you always seem to get so wrong......very ...very often

Take the blinkers off just for a second.....you are so hyper focused on the ugly or bad things that people do... and because of that, you can just never ever see the good.... it actually completely blinds your moral judgement in so many of your posts....

Was Tommy Robinson wrong regarding his reporting of the sexual assault of young White english girls back in 2011 by Pakastani groups of men, which is what that link refers to...... yes or no?

I'm blinkered and hyper focused?. Tommy Robinson's rap sheet is insane. He started off as a football hooligan, formed a fascist organization, has assaulted women, stalked women, he's been convicted on multiple accounts of libel, multiple accounts of contempt of court, entering a country illegal, multiple counts of fraud. Its clear as day to anyone who isn't completely and hopelessly biased that the man's an absolute fraud and grifter who takes in hundreds of thousands of pounds pushing the most appalling racist and hypocritical stuff to fund lavish 10 month holidays and fund his coke habit.

But you never stop and think, hang on these guys are taking me for an absolute mug, maybe I should question the motives of the agenda these types of people are pushing.

Was Tommy Robinson wrong regarding his reporting of the sexual assault of young White english girls back in 2011 by Pakastani groups of men, which is what that link refers to...... yes or no?

Which report. I have no doubt he was shouting about the case from the rooftops in an attempt at  exploiting the situation for personal gain.

People can of course bring up that case and ask perfectly legitimate questions without being Islamophobic or racist, but its utterly clear he's would of done it purely to push an agenda

Is Robinson not a hypocrite for not calling out the rampant child abuse among EDL members? The truth is Robinson does not give a shit about abused children, he only cares about how he can exploit the situation.

I actually linked to the news article from "The Times", that Piers posted, hence why I specifically called the link heading "The Times" and not Piers Morgan....stop being stupid and obtuse.

Why.... was the Times article that I referenced not true.... yes or no?

A link to a news article from the times tweeted by Morgan, a man who's mired deep in the culture wars and pushes the same right wing agenda as the likes of the Daily Mail, Telegraph, GB News and the Express. Now he's no where near as bad as the likes or Robinson and he does do some good journalism at times, because unlike most right wing pundits in the UK he does ask tough questions to right wing politicians but after the phone hacking scandal everyone knows what he is, a liar with no integrity.

Again that 2011 times article may have been accurate, but the reason Morgan is tweeting it is he's wants to keep the focus on these cases to distorts public perception of this happening constantly, and create a fear and suspicion of Muslims.

Just like I mentioned in another post, that I don't like Andrew Tate at all, in fact I dispise him, but I actually enjoyed some of the policies that he would want to implement if he were PM.

Thats the difference between you and me, I can separate that kind of reasoning and logic.... you can't, you are too emotional and never rational.... you just see the names Farage, Piers Morgan, Tommy Robinson and Andrew Tate and think, hell no.... there is absolutely nothing good at all that they could say.....when in fact, they can and often do.....but you just cannot see past their faults, whilst I can... so maybe .... just maybe you should actually go and read up on what Andrew Tate said are the policies he would implement if he were PM, and tell me he does not have some excellent points.

Think about the insanity of your position, you harp on about muslim child sex abuses but you think a muslim man facing charges of child sex abuse charges has some good political positions.

Yeah Hitler made some good roads and banned fox hunting, I think I'll overlook his other political positions and support him.

You have been taking in by these bad faith actors. Completely blind to what they are.

You are so bloody one minded.... you never ever seem to take the blinkers off and look at the bigger picture..... sheesh man.....grow up a bit.

I'm bloody one minded?. I'm not the one shouting MUSLIM GROOMING GANGS EVERYWHERE!!! ITS A COVER UP!!!...THE TRUTH IS ABOUT TO BE REVEALED!!!.

"And that's all you've got"

It's all I am willing to give you .... lol

Reluctant........ bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Sugar coat it as much as you want to dude....

It's all I am willing to give you .... lol

I'm not surprised, why would I be when it's what I expect from someone who has nothing to give.

"Which report. I have no doubt he was shouting about the case from the rooftops in an attempt at  exploiting the situation for personal gain."

His Report - Statement - Interview - Speech that I referenced above .... ok....so I take that as yes, he was correct.

"A link to a news article from the times tweeted by Morgan, a man who's mired deep in the culture wars and pushes the same right wing agenda as the likes of the Daily Mail, Telegraph, GB News and the Express."

Yeah, the same guy that has very publicly condemed Tommy Robinson, and dispises him.....

You see how your train of thought is always so bloody one dimensional .....the same far right Piers Morgan who hates the same far right Tommy Robinson... but they must all be the same by your flawed and stupid logic..... it's immature and naive.

"but after the phone hacking scandal everyone knows what he is, a liar with no integrity"

Oh, so he was found guilty of that..... that's news to me, please provide the evidence..... but I know what this is.... just more assumptions from you, which you are brilliant at.

"Again that 2011 times article may have been accurate, but the reason Morgan is tweeting it is he's wants to keep the focus on these cases to distorts public perception of this happening constantly, and create a fear and suspicion of Muslims"

What a complete and utter bullshit and dishonest statement..... fuck me, do you ever stop being dishonest and lying so much?

Did Piers Morgan not tear Tommy Robinson apart on national TV about using his Muslim rethoric to turn people against Muslim people and to fear them, and did he and does he not still consistently tweet about this specific issue with Tommy Robinson.... even up until today.... Yes or No....

Man, your level of dishonesty and deceitful posts is pathetic.... truly disgusting.

Watch here in full.... it is only just over 3 minutes....so you should have no excuse not to watch the whole video.

Piers Morgan vs Tommy Robinson

EDIT:

Here is the full 18 minute interview between Piers and Tommy Robinson.

Sadly, all it does is just make you look more of an idiot and a liar than the 3 minute clip I posted

Piers vs Tommy

Watch that and tell me you are not pathetic and a blatant liar...... 

If anyone at all has taken on Tommy Robinson it is Piers Morgan, ALL the time.... and he still does it daily on X, up until the last 24 hours, go and check yourself.

You have no idea at all how Piers Morgan still annihilates Tommy Robinson on X, all the times, go and look yourself, again, I won't do that for you.... and this happens from you all the time because you think both Piers and Tommy are both right wing activists so they must all be the same, so therefore blatantly lie about them..... piss poor man... just piss poor.

This is exactly what I referred to earlier..... you are just too bloody one minded and too emotional... and never rational....and this is a absolutely perfect example of that....

If you could ever take an example of just how dishonet you are, it is right here for eveyone to see....just no rational thought at all.

A lack of integrity is such a poor character trait to have.... shame on you

Piers Morgan is tweeting this because like a huge amount of the British population, he wants answers..... but no, he mos can't do that .... because then he is just another disgusting right wing activist.... but he is THAT same right wing activist that absolutely destroyed another right wing activist on national TV for stirring up unnecessary fear and hatred against Muslims...

LOL.... you are hilarious man.... but sad.

"Think about the insanity of your position, you harp on about muslim child sex abuses but you think a muslim man facing charges of child sex abuse charges has some good political positions.

Yeah Hitler made some good roads and banned fox hunting, I think I'll overlook his other political positions and support him.

You have been taking in by these bad faith actors. Completely blind to what they are."

After this thread here, I have absolutely no doubts in my mind just how dishonest and deceitful of a poster you really are, who lacks any foresight and integrity with certain topics that make you too emotional to make a reasonable and rational deduction.... just pathetic man... seriously.

Do your research before you make any statements or opinions, because you don't, and that is blatantly obvious to anyone.

"I'm bloody one minded?. I'm not the one shouting MUSLIM GROOMING GANGS EVERYWHERE!!! ITS A COVER UP!!!...THE TRUTH IS ABOUT TO BE REVEALED!!!."

No, you just continuously blatantly lie yourself through discussions and just hope that people don't actually either know better than you, or call you up on all your constant deliberate bullshit and lies.

"The raping hoards of Muslim grooming gangs are coming for us...quick everyone run for the hills!"

Your usual 5 year old immature response...... just minimise and ridicule what has been going on to thousands of young innocent girls .... for decades....

Fucking disgusting....

"Translation I would take the recommendations of a report if it agrees with my preconceived views and reject anything that contradicts them."

Well, at least I would be honest in my statements ... unlike you who is a habitual liar...

"The problem is the report has already published it but people like you won't accept it because you don't like what it says."

Actually, it's really because people that conducted that report had some of your very obvious and repeated tendencies that we see on here.... deceitful and dishonest behaviour... ...so if the shoe fits...

His Report - Statement - Interview - Speech that I referenced above .... ok....so I take that as yes, he was correct.

His statement that there was a conspiracy between Muslim leader and the police, what evidence is there of that?, he describes the process on the how gangs groom the victims which is probably accurate but also largely the same methods used by non muslim grooming gangs as well.

So his statement could only be described as partially accurate but he's phrasing it in a way to push his agenda.

Yeah, the same guy that has very publicly condemed Tommy Robinson, and dispises him.....

You see how your train of thought is always so bloody one dimensional .....the same far right Piers Morgan who hates the same far right Tommy Robinson... but they must all be the same by your flawed and stupid logic..... it's immature and naive.

Farage condemend Tommy Robinson as well that doesn't mean both of them are not pushing the same agenda, its just Farage and Morgan are little less overt about how they do it, so they don't get into trouble with the law.

Oh, so he was found guilty of that..... that's news to me, please provide the evidence..... but I know what this is.... just more assumptions from you, which you are brilliant at.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/dec/15/piers-morgan-denies-knowing-phone-hacking-judge-rules-did-prince-harry

What a complete and utter bullshit and dishonest statement..... fuck me, do you ever stop being dishonest and lying so much?

Would you just stop for like one post with the accusations of lying and dishonesty and actually trying to debate like an adult.

Did Piers Morgan not tear Tommy Robinson apart on national TV about using his Muslim rethoric to turn people against Muslim people and to fear them, and did he and does he not still consistently tweet about this specific issue with Tommy Robinson.... even up until today.... Yes or No....

Its irrelevant if he did, he's still pushing a similar agenda to Robinson.

Man, your level of dishonesty and deceitful posts is pathetic.... truly disgusting.

How was I being dishonest. You post a link to a video I wasn't talking about it and act like I was lying about it somehow.

Watch here in full.... it is only just over 3 minutes....so you should have no excuse not to watch the whole video.

Watch that and tell me you are not pathetic and a blatant liar......

Would you just stop with this stupid hysterics and ridiculous fake outrage.

If anyone at all has taken on Tommy Robinson it is Piers Morgan, ALL the time.... and he still does it daily on X, up until the last 24 hours, go and check yourself.

You have no idea at all how Piers Morgan still annihilates Tommy Robinson on X, all the times, go and look yourself, again, I won't do that for you.... and this happens from you all the time because you think both Piers and Tommy are both right wing activists so they must all be the same, so therefore blatantly lie about them..... piss poor man... just piss poor.

If you don't think Piers Morgan isn't pushing a right wing agenda you are delusional. As I said in the previous post he has held right wing politicians to account in the past and asked difficult question of them, and his shtick to an extent is to be an contrarian. But its clear from anyone who's familiar with Morgan where his political views are at particularly with the amount of time he spends on culture war stuff . When you accuse of me saying Piers and Tommy are all the same. I literally said in my previous post Morgan was nowhere near as bad as Robinson. And you call me a liar?

This is exactly what I referred to earlier..... you are just too bloody one minded and too emotional... and never rational....and this is a absolutely perfect example of that....

I literally said he was no where near as bad as Robinson. You call me emotional. Look at how you reacted to my very first post. Straight away attacking my character, just for posting a video that referenced an actual government report into the matter. And these constant accusations that I'm lying. Look at your posts, you come across as someone who's in a constant rage, I can almost imaging you screaming out what you're typing in response to me. Your nothing but emotional, incapable of engaging in normal civilized debate.

A lack of integrity is such a poor character trait to have.... shame on you

I didn't hack anyone's phone and lie about it.

Piers Morgan is tweeting this because like a huge amount of the British population, he wants answers..... but no, he mos can't do that .... because then he is just another disgusting right wing activist.... but he is THAT same right wing activist that absolutely destroyed another right wing activist on national TV for stirring up unnecessary fear and hatred against Muslims...

He's tweeting because it because its his profession. An outrage merchant.

You seem to struggle with the concept that there is a sliding scale when it comes to people. Criticisming a person for being too far right doesn't mean a person is not right wing themselves and pushing similar narratives just less aggressively.

After this thread here, I have absolutely no doubts in my mind just how dishonest and deceitful of a poster you really are, who lacks any foresight and integrity with certain topics that make you too emotional to make a reasonable and rational deduction.... just pathetic man... seriously.

Jesus H Christ on a bike, again accusing me of dishonest and lying. Really shows how little you can actually debate, just constant projection of your own failures on to others.

Do your research before you make any statements or opinions, because you don't, and that is blatantly obvious to anyone.

So my first post was linking to a video that cited the government commissioned independent report in child sex abuse in the UK. How was that not me doing my own research?

No, you just continuously blatantly lie yourself through discussions and just hope that people don't actually either know better than you, or call you up on all your constant deliberate bullshit and lies.

Again with the accusation of lying. You know you could of just accused me of it once to make whatever point you think your making, instead of wasting everyone's time and coming across as a raging hysterical person.

Your usual 5 year old immature response...... just minimise and ridicule what has been going on to thousands of young innocent girls .... for decades....

Fucking disgusting....

Where did I ridicule child abuse? For someone who spends so much time accusing me of lying you do a lot of it yourself. And that's a pretty disgusting accusation you just made.

Well, at least I would be honest in my statements ... unlike you who is a habitual liar...

LOL and there you have it folks and admission your not going accept any evidence if it contradicts your world view.

Actually, it's really because people that conducted that report had some of your very obvious and repeated tendencies that we see on here.... deceitful and dishonest behaviour... ...so if the shoe fits...

Well leaving aside your clear views on me, you have zero evidence to indicate anything in that report was done in a deceitful and dishonest manner.

Stav, you're expending a lot of time and energy on a hopelessly biased and indoctrinated zealot who would stand by his narrow-minded dogma even if you conclusiv ely proved him to be wrong.

You're either crediting him with the intelligence to recognize his errors or the objectivity to concede defeat.

Sadly, neither one is true. 

 Rooinek  and Stav

Nobody has desctined the conduct by you two bette than the following  coming  from empty head Rooinek-

"stand by his narrow-minded dogma even if you conclusibely proved him to be wrong."

If you two has any dogma it must be what The Guardian and CNN tell you to believe - I know Rooinek is a toal idiot whith no caacity to think for  himself - but  Stav is chsing hard to overtake him