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Started by Devil's Advocate162 REPLIES2,737 VIEWS· 06 Jan 2025, 09:30
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Jan 2025, 19:14
#81
07 Jan 2025, 19:14#81

"FYI that slur has now made its way through much of my family and friends."

ButtPlug, I'm quite sure I speak for the majority of posters when I say we don't really care about the lack of breeding or loose sexual morals of you, your family or your (alleged) friends.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2025, 19:16
#82
07 Jan 2025, 19:16#82

Two Pot says:

‘Ou Maaik, I don't read CNN or the Guardian and - unlike you - I'm quite capable of thinking for myself’

Hahahaha he ‘reads’ CNN. The poor fool is so insular he doesn’t even realize CNN is a cable news network

LMAOFY&Y…..yet another embarrassing foot shoot.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Jan 2025, 19:25
#83
07 Jan 2025, 19:25#83

Who's going to tell the doddering old fool that CNN is also a website? If I tell him it will lead to a hands-on-hip teapot foot-stamping scenario with the geriatric old drunkard sticking out his tongue, putting his thumbs in his ears and waggling his fingers.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2025, 19:33
#84
07 Jan 2025, 19:33#84

Of course it’s a website, so is the BBC….but people primarily watch both. But perhaps I do you a disservice….is it not provided on your basic TV package

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
07 Jan 2025, 19:38
#85
07 Jan 2025, 19:38#85
Doesn't matter, Rooi... You're still the lowest born slut of them all. And how do you know that Stav doesn't care about the lack of breeding and loose morals of my family and friends? A good(bad) chunk of them are Irish, btw.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Jan 2025, 19:39
#86
07 Jan 2025, 19:39#86

I wouldn't know. I don't watch it, I don't read it and I don't search for it . . . which is the point I was making before you exploded in yet another of your childish fits of spiteful and pathetic one-upmanship.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2025, 19:45
#87
07 Jan 2025, 19:45#87

‘spiteful and pathetic.one-upmanship’

Gosh that’s a new bit of punctuation. What exactly is that period after ‘pathetic’. And I would recommend a capital after a period.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Jan 2025, 19:50
#88
07 Jan 2025, 19:50#88

Too late you egg-faced old fool. I corrected that typo before you posted your predictable and childish little barb . . . as if it makes one iota of difference to what I'm saying about your truly pathetic and juvenile character.

Don't take my word for it, look at the timestamps and get your nurse to help you wipe all that egg off your fat face.

LMAO!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2025, 20:12
#89
07 Jan 2025, 20:12#89

Oh no…..not another massive, ignorant stupid blunder. You Moron, the time stamp of the defective post remains as it was originally when you posted it. It does not reflect when you corrected it with my help.

So all we know from time stamps is you made a defective post at 19.39. I pointed out the defect to you at 19.45. You then corrected it and documented that at 19.50.

What you are trying to say is you made  that small correction before I made my post. But it then took you at least 5.00 minutes to make your next post.

You’re lying. 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Jan 2025, 20:18
#90
07 Jan 2025, 20:18#90

Moffie. I think we all know how important it is for you to finally get one over me, but take some friendly advice, before you try, educate yourself and try to behave like an adult . . . and then you may have some kind of chance.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2025, 20:37
#91
07 Jan 2025, 20:37#91
You’re lying Peeper, you just completely humiliated yourself again…thinking the time stamp changed when you updated the post. Why else would you think the time stamp proves anything.
Game, set and match!
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Jan 2025, 20:41
#92
07 Jan 2025, 20:41#92

The typo was edited before you posted your childish little nyaah nyaah tongue-sticking weak-arsed schoolboy effort.

Fact, timestamp or not.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2025, 20:58
#93
07 Jan 2025, 20:58#93

So your admonition to me to look at the time stamp was incredibly stupid…..a simple yes or no?

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Jan 2025, 21:01
#94
07 Jan 2025, 21:01#94

No, you posted your childish little squeal after I'd corrected the typo. Spin that however you want, loser.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2025, 21:07
#95
07 Jan 2025, 21:07#95

How do we know that? All we have is your response 5 minutes later. I don’t believe you. But regardless, asking me to look at time stamps was total ignorance.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
08 Jan 2025, 07:56
#96
08 Jan 2025, 07:56#96

"Boo whitey don't want to listen to me...weeeee whitey must be racist."

I shouldn't bother responding to your childish and immature utterings but just to set the record straight.

I don't believe every whitey is a racist and even during the Apartheid era there were a few who were outspoken critics of the system.  Being white does not mean you're a racist and to believe that every white is a racist makes you a racist.

As for the posters on here I don't believe Rooinek is a racist and I've posted alongside of him for over 20 odd years...... and neither is Draad. 

As for you and your mate Underpants, I believe the two of you are unashamed racist scum .


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
08 Jan 2025, 08:12
#97
08 Jan 2025, 08:12#97
No, Denise, I'm transphobic. 
The closest you've been to rugby socks, or cricket socks for that matter, is the last time you stuffed your nephew's socks into your bra. You remember the night? When you stuffed your bra for the date but, shortly after picking you up your date noticed your hands were tiny and extremely hairy, and then kicked you out of the car? 
At some point you're going to have to tell him what you used his socks for.
I'm just saying, come clean.
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
08 Jan 2025, 09:59
#98
08 Jan 2025, 09:59#98

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/dec/15/piers-morgan-denies-knowing-phone-hacking-judge-rules-did-prince-harry

I will ask you again, where was Piers Morgan found guilty of phone hacking and what was the penalty / sanction or punishment.

Just provide the legal outcome to this accusation you made.

"Its irrelevant if he did, he's still pushing a similar agenda to Robinson"

Tell your lies somewhere else.... Piers Morgan has fought extremely hard for the Muslim population and Isla maphobia for many years already.... you are just too ignorant and stupid to not see it.

"So my first post was linking to a video that cited the government commissioned independent report in child sex abuse in the UK. How was that not me doing my own research?"

Because the report is complete and utter bullshit and it was fabricated to leave out so much more evidence that should have been included, but you are just too ignorant and stupid to either research more enough into it and just take it at face value, or just look a little bit further than your own one dimensional, blinkers on thought process.

Why not just enlighten yourself and look at how many people have spoken out now about why their testimony was not included in that initial report, or why so many refused to sign their affadavit's at the police station because their own testimony was edited or changed, or totally excluded completely.......which is the testimony and amended reports that ended up in the report you referred to.

"Where did I ridicule child abuse? For someone who spends so much time accusing me of lying you do a lot of it yourself. And that's a pretty disgusting accusation you just made"

The accusation stands, because the proof is right there....you are despicable man.

If you don't think the statement about running for the hills away from grooming Muslims gangs, who have horrifically and systematically sexually abused thousands of young girls over decades... is not ridiculing the sexual abuse that these very young girls went through because of these very same Muslim grooming gangs you are joking about....... and with what they have done and continue to do till today, then you are incredibly dumb and insensitive to what they went through..... and what is actually more frightening is that you don't even see anyhting wrong with it at all... as I said....you are despicable and disgusting.

"Well leaving aside your clear views on me, you have zero evidence to indicate anything in that report was done in a deceitful and dishonest manner."

Witness testimony, victim impact statements ....  seen quite a lot of them

"How was I being dishonest. You post a link to a video I wasn't talking about it and act like I was lying about it somehow."

Because you say that Piers Morgan is posting things about Muslims to sow fear and suspicion about Muslims, whilst he is on national TV fighting for the entire Muslim population in the UK..

You are dishonest

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
08 Jan 2025, 10:29
#99
08 Jan 2025, 10:29#99

"but just to set the record straight.

"I don't believe every whitey is a racist and even during the Apartheid era there were a few who were outspoken critics of the system.  Being white does not mean you're a racist and to believe that every white is a racist makes you a racist."

You try and keep changing that story of yours Denny boy.... hoping that one day, just maybe someone might believe all your bullshit.... to finally make you feel a little bit better about yourself.

If you really and honestly didn't think that all White people were racist, then why, according to your very own statement below, did you hate ALL White people, and that you wanted to kill them all, but not only just kill them.... you actually devised ways of killing them over and over again....

"I began to believe that white people were inherently evil"

"From thereon in I hated all white people and I thought of ways of killing them. Not only killing them but to devise ways of repeatedly killing them"

"I couldn't get myself to sit next to a white person in a train"

I carried that hate with me to Australia, would vent at the slightest stir from the locals......suffered many an outburst. I'll never forget the dumbstruck look on their faces.

Racist much......?

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
08 Jan 2025, 10:48
#100
08 Jan 2025, 10:48#100
The fact of the matter is the British People are today very much aware that they have been monumentally betrayed by the Open Border Globalists who are destroying their country.
Islam is rightly becoming more and more unpopular and nothing will stop this process.  They will continue to follow the teachings of the Quoran and marry Children. They will continue to Rape non Muslims and work to undermine their hosts. The first and preferable response  to these invaders is to deport every single one of them. If that doesn't happen a civil war is going to happen. If you think people are furious now wait till they learn the details about these rapes which go beyond anything you could imagine. The hared involved is staggering.
Scumbags like STAVASS are the reason these things were allowed to happen and were then covered up. They going to be increasingly  isolated. Frankly they should also be deported preferably to Iran. 
Time to take out the trash. 
I think Jordan Petersen completely dismantled Piers Morgan, an ignorant, virtue signaling smug weak man.Things are changing rapidly and these disgusting lefties like Blobbrain, Dense Denise and StavAss are in for a torrid time. 
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
08 Jan 2025, 11:08
#101
08 Jan 2025, 11:08#101

"The first and preferable response  to these invaders is to deport every single one of them"

Disgusting how this can take 9 years or more to deport someone who was found guilty of this crime and even had his citizenship revoked.

"If that doesn't happen a civil war is going to happen. 
If you think people are furious now wait till they learn the details about these rapes which go beyond anything you could imagine. The hared involved is staggering."
This is precisely why these government reports removed so much crucial and critical evidence, information and testimony.... because it would have resulted in a race war...
What I have read and seen from witness testimony and evidence provided by victims is absolutely horrific .... it is beyond disgusting.
Then you have twats like Stav making fun of these Muslim grooming gangs... 
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
08 Jan 2025, 11:30
#102
08 Jan 2025, 11:30#102

No fool, I've explained it all in my first post but you fail to understand or you refuse to understand. But I'll give you the benefit of doubt and say perhaps because you lived in a separate world where Apartheid propaganda and brainwashing ruled lets pretend that it's difficult for you to understand.

I'll say it one more time but I don't hold out hope that you'll try to understand. Either way I don't care whether you do or don't, it's obvious that you hate me and will do anything to bring me down. 

You never felt the effects of Apartheid being in your privileged position with a white skin but to the oppress the system proved dehumanizing and demonic. Do you understand? Do you understand what it means when I say dehumanizing and demonic? Do you understand that millions of the oppressed felt the same way as I did and that one man brought sanity to a nation which had lived in an insane and toxic environment for over 4 decades? That Mandela and Mandela alone turned things around and used Rugby as a catalyst to achieve harmony and peace by successfully uniting the people.

Nelson Mandela was aware of the bitterness and hate hence the reason he tried to unite the country and stop it from going up in flames.

My statements which comes across as a treasure trove to you were made out of my own volition, it's not something I was forced to disclose, I did so under my own free will and the reason is simple, I spoke as the oppress would speak, I spoke of the pain and humiliation and the damaging effects the system caused  over 46 years 24/7. I also spoke of the struggle I suffered in my earlier years in Oz trying to rid myself of the bitterness and hate which I'm happy to say  took a while but has proven successful.

So there I've given you an almost full description of my comments.

Answer me this, if you suffered as the oppress how would you have felt and dealt with it?

Look DA I don't expect a reasonable approach from you, you're on a point scoring mission as per normal, I'm not asking for your sympathy or understanding, believe me, I don't need it, but I understand that most white folks were indifferent to what was happening on the other side of the fence and I'm sure that unlike you they'd appreciate an honest insight from the other side of the fence. I hope to have achieved that end.

But go ahead, tell me how you'd feel about detention without trial, deaths in detention, denial of political representation of your fellow people........and amongst other things dehumanized?

The floor is yours.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
08 Jan 2025, 11:48
#103
08 Jan 2025, 11:48#103

"My statements which comes across as a treasure trove to you were made out of my own volition, it's not something I was forced to disclose, I did so under my own free will and the reason is simple, I spoke as the oppress would speak, I spoke of the pain and humiliation and the damaging effects the system caused  over 46 years 24/7. I also spoke of the struggle I suffered in my earlier years in Oz trying to rid myself of the bitterness and hate which I'm happy to say  took a while but has proven successful."

Then stop pretending you are not or ever were racists, because you clearly were, and still are, just by the way you 

"Look DA I don't expect a reasonable approach from you, you're on a point scoring mission as per normal, I'm not asking for your sympathy or understanding, believe me, I don't need it, but I understand that most white folks were indifferent to what was happening on the other side of the fence and I'm sure that unlike you they'd appreciate an honest insight from the other side of the fence. I hope to have achieved that end.

But go ahead, tell me how you'd feel about detention without trial, deaths in detention, denial of political representation of your fellow people........and amongst other things dehumanized?"

I absolutely detested and dispised Apartheid, mainly because I grew up with a LOT of black friends and I saw how it affected them and even me....

I could not do things with my friends or share personal life experiences with them because of the colour of their skin.

At the same time, I detest people like you who try at every opportunity to make me feel guilty for being White when I did absolutely fuck all wrong.

I don't need to explain anything else, I have said enough

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
08 Jan 2025, 11:53
#104
08 Jan 2025, 11:53#104

I will ask you again, where was Piers Morgan found guilty of phone hacking and what was the penalty / sanction or punishment.

Just provide the legal outcome to this accusation you made.

Did you miss the part where a Judge ruled that Morgan both knew and was involved in the phone hacking scandal. I'll also take the word of the Head of the Independent Press Standard Organization when called out Morgan's statement of denial.

Tell your lies somewhere else.... Piers Morgan has fought extremely hard for the Muslim population and Islamaphobia for many years already.... you are just too ignorant and stupid to not see it.

Morgan's just another right wing political commentator (who happens to be left on Gun control, because the UK right wing isn't as insane as the American right wing) who constantly pushes right wing talking points. As I've said he's not nearly as bad as Robinson and has done good journalism in the past when asking tough questions on both side of the political spectrum, but that doesn't hide his political biases. His tweeting of that headline is a case in point, he's asking a question but its in bad faith. He's not wanting an answer to a question, he want's to put the idea into people's mind.

Because the report is complete and utter bullshit and it was fabricated to leave out so much more evidence that should have been included, but you are just too ignorant and stupid to either research more enough into it and just take it at face value, or just look a little bit further than your own one dimensional, blinkers on thought process.

Why not just enlighten yourself and look at how many people have spoken out now about why their testimony was not included in that initial report, or why so many refused to sign their affadavit's at the police station because their own testimony was edited or changed, or totally excluded completely.......which is the testimony and amended reports that ended up in the report you referred to.

The report took 7 years to complete and cost 2 million pounds. And here you are just saying its complete and utter bullshit based on absolute zero evidence. You dismissed it without even reading it. Which parts of the report where fabricated, what evidence was left out of this specific report. Who's testimony was not included? Your just throwing shit at this stage desperately hoping something will stick.

The accusation stands, because the proof is right there....you are despicable man.

If you don't think the statement about running for the hills away from grooming Muslims gangs, who have horrifically and systematically sexually abused thousands of young girls over decades... is not ridiculing the sexual abuse that these very young girls went through because of these very same Muslim grooming gangs you are joking about....... and with what they have done and continue to do till today, then you are incredibly dumb and insensitive to what they went through..... and what is actually more frightening is that you don't even see anything wrong with it at all... as I said....you are despicable and disgusting.

Child abuse is one of the most vile and serious crimes around, its not a laughing matter. Anyone convicted of abusing a child be they Muslim or any other religion nationality or skin color should receive extremely long jail terms and the victims should be supported as much as possible. All the recommendations of the Jay Report should be implemented in full as soon as possible to reduce the likelihood of recurrences of these offenses.

I'm mocking the hysterical over exaggeration of racist, Islamophobic bigots that focus almost exclusive on the crimes of Muslims of which you most definitely are. Truth is you don't give a shit about the victims of child sex abuse, much like Robinson and co. You're only looking to exploit them to have an excuse to hate on Muslims, just as you where doing with the Ashley Biden diary story. Its extremely disgusting.

Witness testimony, victim impact statements ....  seen quite a lot of them

Specific examples that apply to the Jay Report please.

Because you say that Piers Morgan is posting things about Muslims to sow fear and suspicion about Muslims, whilst he is on national TV fighting for the entire Muslim population in the UK..

You are dishonest

That's exactly why he made that tweet. Should we bring up his appearances on national TV where he's confronting Muslims?

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
08 Jan 2025, 12:52
#105
08 Jan 2025, 12:52#105

You make it sound as if the debate is painful, well, it works two ways. But just before you float away,  I ask again.......if you were part of the oppressed how would you have felt towards the whites who were the oppressors and who by majority voted for evil Apartheid?

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
08 Jan 2025, 13:37
#106
08 Jan 2025, 13:37#106

"Did you miss the part where a Judge ruled that Morgan both knew and was involved in the phone hacking scandal. I'll also take the word of the Head of the Independent Press Standard Organization when called out Morgan's statement of denial."

No, I just missed the entire part where Piers Morgan was ch arged, found guilty and convicted for hacking people's phones....

So much for you always demading that we deal with the actual facts .... just spouting more bullshit statements again.

Piers has on many occassions very publicly asked people who posted something on social media to retract their statement about him being found guilty of hacking phones, otherwise he would sue them.... and every single one of them did.......that is not the actions of a man who was proven to be guilty of a crime.

"he's asking a question but its in bad faith. He's not wanting an answer to a question, he want's to put the idea into people's mind."

You are just absolutely stupid and naive

Go and look at how Piers Morgan has tackled Islamaphobia in the UK, both on TV, in the media and and on social platforms like X ...... he has been doing this for years, literally hundreds of times... non-stop.......and if you did actually look into it, which you won't, because it proves you to be horribly wrong.... it would also make you look like the totally ignorant moron that you are.

I don't like some of things that Piers agrees with, but to accuse him of deliberately inflaming the UK population to sow fear and suspicion on the Muslim people is just downright dishonest and lies...period.... it's actually disgusting tactics, but no surprises coming from you.

"The report took 7 years to complete and cost 2 million pounds"

And exactly what is your point here.....that time and money makes it accurate.

You guys were always harping on about the Mueller report and Trump being guilty and that it doesn't make Trump innocent ... and that cost $42 million and that was done over 22 months .....

"I'm mocking the hysterical over exaggeration of racist, Islamophobic bigots that focus almost exclusive on the crimes of Muslims of which you most definitely are"

No, you are the one who constantly uses the running for the Hills analogy when trying to ridicule a particular issue or topic with someone .... you have done it a few times already.... it's extremely childish.

"Truth is you don't give a shit about the victims of child sex abuse"

If there is any clear evidence on this very thread about who does not give a shit about child abuse, sexual assault, and grooming, and makes light of it.....it's you.

"That's exactly why he made that tweet. Should we bring up his appearances on national TV where he's confronting Muslims?"

Yes, by all means, do that.... as a journalist I would fully expect him to debate both sides, no matter what the topic or issue is.

But since you made this suggestion / challenge, clearly to again try and portray Piers Morgan in a bad light regarding Muslims..... let's also compare how many times Piers Morgan has defended the negatives and positives to anything related to Muslims, Islamaphobia.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
08 Jan 2025, 14:00
#107
08 Jan 2025, 14:00#107

"You make it sound as if the debate is painful, well, it works two ways. But just before you float away,  I ask again.......if you were part of the oppressed how would you have felt towards the whites who were the oppressors and who by majority voted for evil Apartheid?"

If you hate me so much, I really don't get why my opinion on a serious issue such as this would matter to you at all... or even why it is important for you that I answer you.......I really don't, because I know it will not mean anything to you at all.

Over the many years on this forum, in the long term, at specific points, you have shown nothing but anger and complete hatred towards White people, repeatedly over the years calling us so many times "You Lot" ..."Your Lot"...... "arrogant White South Africans" ... "Your Kind" ...Racist  and quite a few other very choice descriptions for being a White man in South Africa.....

Growing up for me personally, there were so many of "our lot of arrogant White South Africans" that were actually 100% dead set against Apartheid and what it stood for, why it was implemented and how it was enforced, and how it horribly and disgustingly affected millions and millions of totally innocent people ......

But it honestly doesn't really matter at all how I feel about it..... because I will automatically still be called that racist arrogant White South African, by you, and many people like you... even though I had absolutely zero to do with Apartheid, and absolutely hated it.... but purely because my skin is fair..

So that is all I am prepared to respond with, because all you or someone else will end up doing is taking any lived experience or information that I provide or submit, and use it against me in some extremely insulting way, which is precisely why I never ever reveal personal information on this forum... 


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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
08 Jan 2025, 16:03
#108
08 Jan 2025, 16:03#108

So Keir Starmer is specifically ordering Labour MP's to block a national inquiry into the rape gangs plaguing the United Kingdom, despite a national outcry from so many people across the UK, for a new inquiry to be done, due to the amount of information, testimony, evidence etc etc that was not included in these official reports.

Nigel Farage has also now just recently said that if Labour do not hold a full and comprehensive public inquiry into the rape gangs scandal, that he believes were deliberately suppressed or "Played Down" to prevent any racial tensions across the UK, then Farage says that he will ensure that this inquiry is done properly.

When asked if he has the statute of powers to start an inquiry like this, Nigel said that he doesn't, but also that he doesn't need it and that he already has the funds right now, to start an in depth inquiry like this.

He said that they would bring in ex-judges and experts in this specific field and proceed with an in depth inquiry.

Either way, I hope this happens soon

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jan 2025, 17:55
#109
08 Jan 2025, 17:55#109
What Quisling is asking for, is for ordinary people as individuals to have changed the system. How would one have done that…I’m curious. But surely not by running away to Australia.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Jan 2025, 17:57
#110
08 Jan 2025, 17:57#110

Starmer will onviously efuse to have such an enquiry held = it will be problematic in constituincoies witha large Muslim communities and it could hurt his party adly if he does,   What is bothesone that while  Government institutes such investigations the efort would be to protect the ruling elite and has part of its onjective not embarrass the Government.   

An example is the two Special Counil sappinted by Grland to investigate the removal of Government documents b Hur and Smith.   The problem as that Biden and Garland wants  Smith to investigate and charge Trump with charges and thought that Hr would find nothing wrong in the Biden case.   Hoeve Hur had experince of procedures and when he interviewed Viden and fond that he was nebtally deficiet and although he ound extreme negligence and usage of cladssified documents written by a person with no clearance to use in his ook - Biden was clearly acting against he Law and could be charged witha  criminal offence - but w=de to his finding would not charge Biden due to mental incapacities  Grland refused to release the actual interview Hur condcyed with Biden.  

Smith had no experience of prosecutin in US courts and made a foul up early in his investigation and when Trump said the invetigaion was based on irregularties  he went to the S opreme Court directly and  told by the crrect to follow normal practice in approaching courts,  In other wotrld he must firrst get apprval from Local Courts and then tp the Federal Courts and finall to the Supreme Court.    When the situation reached that the Presidnt has immunity frm prosecution since it could result in legl chaos if the daily decisons are to be regarded as crimes afterhe left the Presidency - it would elad to Presidents not decidinmg on conmtrovesial issues and an uconstitutional situation arise when that threat hangs over the Heads f Presidents.   The Supreme Court the sggest that Congress should pass a law dealing with legal and illegal decisions  of Presidents and that should take into account criminality when eh take decisions that relaes to private issue as against official ations.   The Supreme Cort then advised Congress that in their opinion official decisions ae not to be egarded as a basis for criminal decisions - t private decisions  can be used against Presdents after they leave office,   

That left Smith ina difficult position and he decide to charge TRmp of the remova of documents taken to Mar--Largo and then Smith in his efforts to pleae Biden in a very deificlt situation. Itgot worse when the Florida Judge found that the FBI took fake photos of documents lying on hes trongroom where the documents were taken and some in the toilet adjoining the enterainment room were Trump meetshis guessts abd spread them in te emdia.   She was not amused by that thn ordered  Smitha nd the FBI to returnm all raen sdocents  for inspction by the defense team of TRump - a standard pocess  in US courts.  After epeated warnings the FBI delivered 21 boces of dicuments after they took 32 boxes of documents when they raided the Trump home and wanred Smith and the FBI to sbmit all boces of documents t te Court hich they failed to do and then the Judg e dismissed the charges.    Smith asked te court to allow him to appeal he devision to the Deferal Court - ut before that could be decided on he withdrew the appea.  The only case Smith has left was based on the Pelosi committee findings  which wa odf=ser by an official investigaion by te H ouse comprising 17 000 pages,   He realized that the further invetifation wil nealiz any court case against Trump/

I quoed te above examples since Investigtions initited wil always endeavor to find in favor of he Govrment and never to find the rel problems involved,   

However an investigation by Farage coudl eb sued as a political weapon to be used in futre elections/      So there isa  counter againsta Grage intentions as well so we wil ahve and wait t see what happens in future,  ,             

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
08 Jan 2025, 21:26
#111
08 Jan 2025, 21:26#111

"You make it sound as if the debate is painful, well, it works two ways. But just before you float away,  I ask again.......if you were part of the oppressed how would you have felt towards the whites who were the oppressors and who by majority voted for evil Apartheid?"

If you hate me so much, I really don't get why my opinion on a serious issue such as this would matter to you at all... or even why it is important for you that I answer you.......I really don't, because I know it will not mean anything to you at all.

So you won't answer the question instead you withdraw yourself and make it all personal. It's quite simple really, all I've asked is to put yourself in the shoes of the oppressed and to then tell your feelings towards those who would have oppressed you.

Over the many years on this forum, in the long term, at specific points, you have shown nothing but anger and complete hatred towards White people, repeatedly over the years calling us so many times "You Lot" ..."Your Lot"...... "arrogant White South Africans" ... "Your Kind" ...Racist  and quite a few other very choice descriptions for being a White man in South Africa.....

It's a pity but those are just blatant lies and once again political point scoring from you. I have only once used the term "You lot" not over many years. For a little while there I was foolish enough to believe that we were going somewhere with this debate, I now recognize I was hopelessly wrong. But here's the thing, whites were a law unto themselves, did whatever they wanted to do to the oppressed, thought of black people as kaffirs and called them such, also called colored people Hottnots, magistrates and white priests and I quote "Black people mustn't say Our Father because God was a white man" but here you are offended when I say 'You Lot' on an insignificant rugby message board. Helloooooooo.

Growing up for me personally,  there were so many of"our lot of arrogant White South Africans" that were actually 100% dead set against Apartheid and what it stood for, why it was implemented and how it was enforced, and how it horribly and disgustingly affected millions and millions of totally innocent people ......

Really??? Funny that for some strange reason"there were so many"  didn't reflect where it mattered most and that was in the ballot box. Another funny when one speaks to white people of that era, like you the first thing they'd say is I had many black friends. How was that possible when ethnic groups were divided into what was known as Group Areas and that it was illegal for black people to frequent white areas after dark. I mean you did say you had many black friends.

But it honestly doesn't really matter at all how I feel about it..... because I will automatically still be called that racist arrogant White South African, by you, and many people like you... even though I had absolutely zero to do with Apartheid, and absolutely hated it.... but purely because my skin is fair..

Well, we've all been affected by Apartheid, just in different ways, what you can't deny is that the system affected white people in that it was beneficial to them simply because of their pigmentation.

Arrogant much? 

Did you know that there was an immigration policy fully funding whites to migrate to South Africa? Did you know that the Nationalist party was dissatisfied with white South African population numbers and funded white families so as to produce more offspring?

So that is all I am prepared to respond with, because all you or someone else will end up doing is taking any lived experience or information that I provide or submit, and use it against me in some extremely insulting way, which is precisely why I never ever reveal personal information on this forum... 

Which is exactly what you're guilty of when I revealed my opinions on this forum.

I ask nothing of you or any white person I guess all I wanted was for a healthy debate , I don't seek reprisal, the past is the past it can't change, we just have to live with it as best we can, we've had our differences but that is just part and parcel of a message board. I'm happy in Oz. Also as part of my cleansing process I've spent time with a few white SAFFAS on this forum, go ahead, ask them about me. I also have several white ozzie friends. Pardon my speak, it's a shame that it's sunk to this level for as a rule I see humans' first long before I see colour.

Enough has been said, it's a pity that it was a wasted effort but you take care, we can only control what we can, we are all victims of circumstance.

I'm done.


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jan 2025, 23:36
#112
08 Jan 2025, 23:36#112

You haven’t explained just how ordinary South Africans were supposed to change the system

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
09 Jan 2025, 01:54
#113
09 Jan 2025, 01:54#113

You didn't answer my question.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jan 2025, 02:57
#114
09 Jan 2025, 02:57#114

I have no idea what question you are referring to Quisling. But you have called us racists….actually according to you all but 2 of those posting on the Board are racists. 

‘ I don't believe every whitey is a racist and even during the Apartheid era there were a few who were outspoken critics of the system.  Being white does not mean you're a racist and to believe that every white is a racist makes you a racist.

As for the posters on here I don't believe Rooinek is a racist and I've posted alongside of him for over 20 odd years...... and neither is Draad. 

As for you and your mate Underpants, I believe the two of you are unashamed racist scum’

……

So as a supposed racist, what exactly was I supposed to do as a schoolboy and a college student. What was my path to save the country.

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
09 Jan 2025, 04:34
#115
09 Jan 2025, 04:34#115

You really have to up your style, it's predictable and boring. 

Must be the weather, gawd you must be awfully bored stuck inside for weeks on end. 

I feel your pain.

Hope your nuts haven't frozen off

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jan 2025, 04:53
#116
09 Jan 2025, 04:53#116

So you don’t have an answer…just an empty accusation that everybody on the Board barring two are racists. You’re the biggest racist on this Board by a mile. You see everything in life through a racial lens.

So let’s have it, how was a person who left the country by his mid twenties supposed to have fought Apartheid. And while you are about it, tell us why you didn’t do that.

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
09 Jan 2025, 05:23
#117
09 Jan 2025, 05:23#117

Run away se gat ................. I'd no intention of staying where cos of my skin colour I could expect fewer career opportunities, lower wages & restrictions about where I could eat, what cinemas I could frequent or where I could or couldn't live or purchase a house etc. Fck at Newlands we were restricted to a standing area behind the goalposts on the south side.

My Dad was a war hero, wounded in North Africa, repatriated, returned to the war in '43 in Italy where he was again wounded . After the war he received a 60% disability pension. Twenty years after the war he stood alongside my Ma at Cape Town Docks & waved goodbye to his firstborn daughter as she headed to the UK to marry her white boyfriend.

I couldn't wait to get out ............. Boer se moer was the creed.

South Africa was paradise ................... but just for honky.

& my Homeland truly deserves its spot on Zapiro's, 'Trash Heap of History'





PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 Jan 2025, 05:43
#118
09 Jan 2025, 05:43#118
"But your lot did, not only that you demonized the oppressed for 46 long years. You denied them their humanity, crushed their spirit, stripped them of the right to vote, like pigs at a trough you grabbed the best of what there was for yourselves and wrote it into law(Immorality Act, Group Areas Act, Job Reservation)" "Did you say you didn't kill any racial group ? You fuckin destroyed them! " A lot of "you" being used here. And this was directed at DA. So Denise, are you blaming DA, or are you blaming all whites people? You claim that DA and myself are massive racists, but that Draad and Rooi aren't. Do Draad and Rooi also fall under the plural you above, or was it only DA and myself that did all the apartheid'ing? Do you wish for a personal apology from each whitey you meet, or do you just want for us all to throw you a nice big pity party, and crown you the most "affected" on the board?
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Jan 2025, 06:48
#119
09 Jan 2025, 06:48#119

"Really??? Funny that for some strange reason"there were so many"  didn't reflect where it mattered most and that was in the ballot box."


Actually,  the first time it w ent to the ballot in 92, it was voted out by a huge margin...a vote for the Nats wasn't a necessarily a vote for Apartheid,  it was a vote against the Sappe...die arm blankes have been fighting their demons since before Apartheid...it was a stupid symptom of that fight...in our fight for survival, we trampled on the rights of others...it was shameful and we know it...that's why we ended it.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
09 Jan 2025, 07:09
#120
09 Jan 2025, 07:09#120

Hang in there Buttplug and Moffie....be back shortly

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