Happy Christmas

Now there you prove my point. You can't deal with these philosophical points. I will spell it out again to try and help you. 

God was not created by anybody. 

If there had ALWAYS  been nothing there would be nothing now. Proof - nothing cannot create anything. 

Therefore snapster somebody  who is eternal must have created what exists now.

Further this person must have extraordinary power and intelligence as we live in an extraordinary universe. 

Now you tell us you are a lawyer. Yet you and your whacked out atheist  buddies have never been able to refute my reply. 

That's why I say it's been so easy to beat up on you very foolish atheists. Once science had declared once there was nothing but now there is someting it was game set and match. 

Poor old rooitwit I think has thrown in the towel. He argued that matter was eternal but when science debunked that poor rooitwit was out on the canvass babbling obscenities about Beeno. Bwhahahahaha you atheist nutjobs are a source o f endless merriment! 

Most religions sell an afterlife insurance policy. So if the policyholder learnt what they committed their time for was worthless, how would they react? 

What would a reborn again Christian or extreme Muslim do if they learnt that there was no heaven, or that heaven existed for all good people regardless of religion? 

If an afterlife did exist, it is common sense that this would be based on how decent a person was, not their religion. This is why I can't stand religion because it tries to take credit for the good in people. All religions have good people, but it seems that less religious people are morally better people- at least as a statistical average. 

Would you prefer to spend time with an extreme Islam believer, or someone from the Middle East that was athiest, moderate or agnostic? 

Or an extreme Jahova Witness that believes Jews are Gods chosen people, and everyone else is cattle- or a non-religious Jewish person. The answer is obvious... 

If an Islam fanatic believes that everyone should convert to their faith, they are a pig. As are other religions with the same belief. 

If a god is eternal then the universe is eternal holds as much truth. Easy to claim any old load of horse shit if you want.

Truth is we dont know all the answers but for me a god seems a whole lot less likely than anything natural.

I struggle to understand how something so much more complex than the natural world is an obvious answer to the religious. . If the universe needs a creator how the fuck does something much more complex just happen to be?

Until i see proof i will always consider the christian god nothing more than a load of cobblers 

Crusadertwit get up to date you ignorant halfwit. Science has concluded there was once NOTHING and now there is Something.

Explain how the universe created itself from nothing. 

I thought Crusadertwit wasnt the sharpest pencil in the box but he is really not very bright at all to put it ever so politely. 

Answer the question doofus. No dumbass atheist has been able to. 

Hahahahahaha. 

Saffextwit can't answer the issue of a universe from nothing so he just babbles away like the complete loon he is. 

Face facts atheist "fools" you are done. Out for the count.

Hahahahahaha. 

As I said it's all too easy. 

If there was always nothing explain how now there is an awesome something! 

The floor is yours! 

Why atheists are so fooliish is because their very foundations are like fine sand. You can wave a feather and their BS crumbles. 

Sorry oaks I know you are severely embarrassed but you must admit your extreme foolishness fully warrants the embarrassment you are experiencing. 

Poor old Saffex has a mind destroyed by weed. Could the same have happened to Crusadertwit?

Clearly Crusadertwit has los t his few marbles! 

Beenshit you halfwit, cant see how a universe came into being but something much more complex that can create a universe is just logical bwahahaha you are a fuckin idiot. Carry on beliving such drivel without a shread of evidence if you like but we all know who is the moron here hahahaha.

Crusadersfan showing the way for our uneducated peasants :)

Beenshit you halfwit, cant see how a universe came into being but something much more complex that can create a universe is just logical bwahahaha you are a fuckin idiot. Carry on beliving such drivel without a shread of evidence if you like but we all know who is the moron here hahahaha.

Crusadersfan showing the way for our uneducated peasants :)

Obviously a decent education is not available in SA. Dont worry you will catch up with the third world someday  i am sure :)

The evidence is overwhelming. Nothing can't create a universe. 

Do you admit that? 

Crusader twit in a very tight corner. 

You bet sharktwit. The wheat and the chaff separated. The sheep and the goats. You atheists are the chaff, the goats.

Yes its going to be the ultimate separation. 

Make sure you are on the right side. 

"Obviously a decent education is not available in SA. Dont worry you will catch up with the third world someday  i am sure ."

Well, that's nice, your disagreement with Beenz is enough for you to insult a whole country...and another thing, I can almost live with someone calling an individual stupid...there are some seriously stupid individuals afterall, but the moment that you start calling groups stupid or ignorant or whatever, you are probably missing something yourself.

CF, I can guarantee you that there are lots of believers more clever than you. Much more. What you guys seem to forget about is personal experience.  When you live with something for years and you experience some things time after time, at some point you realise that it's mathematically impossible to put down to chance.

Stop calling and believing people to be stupid.  Open your mind, you might learn something. 

And just like the universe can’t be created from nothing nor can your God beenkop we’ve concluded that - wrongly of course

So the plank saffextwit concludes neither can God be created from nothing. Exactly he wasn't created. Ya getting there without realizing it saffextwit!!! OF COURSE GOD COULDNT BE CREATED FROM NOTHING. the FIrst to be must have been eternal.! Man can the plank be gettIn it!!!

That Is why Jesus when asked by the Jews how old he was He saId "before Abraham was born I AM"!! ETERNAL!!!.That Is why when the SanhedrIn trIed Jesus the verdIct was blashemphy for makIng hImself out to be God. But then he rose from the dead. the Tomb was empty!

So we know nothing cant create a universe. we know f there was always nothing nothing would exist today. We also know only an eternal being could have created the universe by His mighty power and intelligence.

QED.

Draad i am afraid the trouble with our atheists friends here here is that they cannot reason themselves out of a paper bag. Who created God they ask BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA MAN HOW DAFT CAN YOU GET!

Dradd so your more than happy for beenshit to insult groups of people and say nothing as long as your not in that group but when someone says something about a group your in its suddenly butt hurt time and have to speak out?

Double standards is a common theme with Christians so why should i expect anything else, do what i say not what i do should have been the opening line of you book and you could at least have one true fact in there

And beenshit insults NZ almost everyday, so unless you start speaking up everytime i will continue to throw the odd insult your way. SA doesn't get a free pass from having the piss taken out of it just because you dont like it and the same goes for religion

Beenshit your only proof that god is eternal is a 2000 year old book written by desert herders, your standards of evidence is not set very high is it.

The wart on my arse is eternal its been there forever and i have proof it exists, show me picture of your god and i will bless you with a photo of my hairy arse wart and all

From what you lot preach about getting into heaven it must be a bloody ghost town because no one has a snowballs chance in hell of getting in.

Mind you your gods a hypocrite so thats the one thing that might give you a chance and you are all experts at that

I believe Beano spemt most of his schooldays living in Zambia. ............  not that Zambia should bear the blame.

I'd still like to know why the crap is being posted in the Rugby Section. Anyone?

All it does is serve as a  front page for the Jihadi to elaborate on his phony beliefs.

"From what you lot preach about getting into heaven it must be a bloody ghost town because no one has a snowball's chance in hell of getting in."

"Dradd so your more than happy for beenshit to insult groups of people and say nothing as long as your not in that group but when someone says something about a group your in its suddenly butt hurt time and have to speak out?"

This is an issue that I have raised with Db many times...…. and it seems that nothing has improved in this regard

Selective admonishment is a regular problem with Db, so you are spot on here Sader

Db, it really is time that you display just a little bit of consistency with your berating of posters...

Again? Surely not......once was bad enough, Hell no!

Gee what a closed minded rant that was.

How do you know this thing you call a life force leaves, it is completly possible you are just watching it end. Do you have special powers rhat you can claim its leaving?

You only have to look at an ape to see the connection or are they just trying to mimic us, or is it your gods idea of a joke.

He leaves plenty of evidence to to support alternative theorys but SFA to prove he exists.

So let me get this right, if you dont believe in a god you are close minded but rabid christians that hold to their beliefs against all the facts proving them wrong are open minded bwahahahaha.

I am open minded to anything even your gid, if he proved to me he existed i would believe in him( i wouldn't worship him though) 

If someone came up with a better theory than evolution i would happily change but i bet you cant say the same thing can you.

Open minded religious people dont exist, they are tied to their beliefs by things stronger than chains

If you choose to not believe in evolution thats fine but dont go try to argue against the mountain of scientific evidence just because you dont like the idea of it and it doesn't fit into your belifs.

I bet you adollar to anpinch of goat shit you have never made a serious attempt at looling into the fact as it scares the shit out of you.

And i dont mean watching morons like Ken "scam" Ham and his ilk. With their psudo scince BS that has been proven wrong continously.

Please, the world is 4,000 to 6,000 years old, the world suffered a global flood that cover mount everest, it is nonsense.

Man is made out of dirt and women out of a rib bwahahaha

I would more likely believe in jack and the beanstalk than this load of cobblers.

No wonder other religions laugh at you lot.

My mates girlfriend is a Buddhist and he is an ex Catholic you should have seen her face when he tried telling her about christianity and your wacky beliefs  she thought we were lying to her.

Mind you her religion is no better

More and more religions are accepting evolution as a fact- particularly younger people.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceptance_of_evolution_by_religious_groups

Religions know they have to adapt to continue to exist themselves...proving evolution...

Well ... as I said, trying to explain the deeper things to the shallow has always been challenging. Your response above confirms this. I see you didn't venture an explanation on the life force that keeps everything ticking over.  Can't say I blame you.

God Himself could stand in front of you and you'd still look around dumbfounded. Don't blame Him for your ignorance. You are who you are. Shallow ... simple minded ... unable to grasp the deeper things. It is what it is. Sorry!! No offense meant.

So you see the resemblance of yourself in an ape, huh? Can't say that surprises me. Please don't include me in your deluded theory. I most certainly do not have an ape as a great gran-daddy. 

Well at least you have something in common with an African leader. He too believes as you do. He pleaded with his people not to eat the apes as they were their brothers and sisters. Next thing they'll be given the vote.

Evidence? Are you trying to be interesting now? Hope so. What evidence did "He" leave behind that proves we come from the ape?

Theory is all you have. Conjured nonsense. Thumbsucking. Guess work. Fabrication. Tall stories. Deluded rantings ... oh and who is this "He" you keep referring to?

Tell me you have something new to discuss. Please!!!!!!!

Indeed ... you have to be shallow ... and blind ... it is what it is.

What are these "facts" that prove He doesn't exit? You really should make up your mind. How can He leave evidence for us if He doesn't exist. You are starting to sound more and more deluded than first thought.

My advice ... decide on the bullshit story you want to sell and then stick to it.

Why would He reveal himself to you? He isn't obligated to explain himself to a worm like you ... or anyone else. Don't flatter yourself. You aren't doing Him a favour by believing in Him. On the contrary ... it's the exact opposite.

I know you see yourself as open minded ... but most shallow folk do. It is what it is ... just another delusion.  

"Have you ever looked into the eyes of a person at the moment of his death? If you have, you would have noticed that something leaves him when he passes"

What a crock of shit ……. fuck me...… you are absolutely nowhere on this issue... like you profess to be...…. you stare at people while you are holding them when they die, and you see something leave them...…… really? because then you are imagining things …… making shit up...…. blowing things out of proportion...… thumb sucking absolute tripe, creating illusions in your own fucking head

"The moment you dissected the blade of grass caused it to up and leave ... and it’s not coming back"

Another crock of shit...…. maybe if that blade of grass has behaved, it will become part of the new rugby stadium up in heaven.... who knows.... good luck grass...… maybe it just vanishes as if it never really existed...….

"this life force is beyond your grasp"

Fuck me...….. it's your incredibly holier than thou preaching that you just posted that is beyond my grasp...…

You want to try and teach me about life force...….which you know absolutely fuck all about...… staring into people's faces when they die?...…… watching a blade of grass...…..

You lot

You shallow people

You can't even relate to people properly...…. just look at this forum.....and this is not even the real world.....

"and because He hasn't revealed Himself to you, as He has to many of us ... He simply doesn't exist."

Really...… how did he reveal himself to you...… like he has to so many of you?

Was it some image or being that walked up and introduced himself to you, and shook your hand...… or was it some thought that you had...…..you know...…. somewhere far in the back of your subconscious that was...…… wait for it......…. "Words from God"?"

The very same words I get when I sense that something is wrong or dangerous...…. or the very same sense I get when I know for a fact that someone is talking shit?

Or how about that thought or detailed image and incident that I experienced when I dreamed, that I could have sworn was absolutely true...… until I woke up and it wasn't.

Staring into people's faces when they die...…. fuck me...…. that seals it for me...…. you very clearly know absolutely fuck all on this issue...…

Tell me CC, when you are sleeping...… you don't know you are dead...… do you...…. and you certainly wouldn't know if you died in your sleep...… would you...….

You could be dead, but you would never know...…. until you awake

How do you know that right now, you are actually alive?

So swallowing bollocks make you deeper somehow, sorry just makes you a gullible fool.

Love how you lot try to make out you are special because you are one of the chosen over us poor lost soles. Fuck of you sanctimonious pompous twat and get over yourself.

Oh dear ... frothing at the mouth again I see, hey DA. You really shouldn’t get so emotional, boet.