Wow, my parents were so loving and so thoughtful...they always taught me that some people, of certain genders and certain nationalities just crave gossip.
I'm so glad they helped me understand that good words around corners are of less value than direct bad words through the front door.
Gosh, my lovely family are so awesome. And so wonderful. Did I mention thoughtful and awesome?
Happy New year to Cloudy and everyone here
Cloudy if you think who created the universe is a small matter, or how it is a man must be saved, or whether LGBT is okay, their predation of Children etc,or where killing unborns is okay , or whether Christians should share faithfully what the Gospel is , or whether Christians should defend the truth of the Word of God you are horribly mistaken. We most definitely are not on the same page!
Yes maybe i am too firm with these nutjob atheists but they need to be shaken up. Let's hope they stop crying on your shoulder. hahahhahahhahahahahahahaha
Let's be fair here Cloudy, God is perfectly reasonable in calling atheists FOOLS. The Universe itself vs all you need to know there is a GOD . The heavens declare His Glory
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, (NOTE)
There is nothing more foolish than an atheist. Nothing! imho of course.
Well, Plum, you don't beat around the bush...and you are correct ...one cannot always be nice if you want to be truthful as well....and sometimes being nice and truthful are offensive to some...you just can't keep everyone happy...being true to yourself is important too...so there are always choices to be made...and weighed.
...and yes DA, the above sounds like a crock of sh!t to me too...even though I said it myself.
Cloudy the last thing you can afford to do is call Plum hypocritcal!!! Have you no self awareness!
Please post where i swore. Don't think i did but after over 30,000 posts maybe. Lets see what you got.
Anyhow enjoy the New Year.
Dear Cloudy Clown has tried to make peace by attacking Christians defending God's Word!! What a fake.
The foul mouthed freak saffex perv makes an appearance ; all beat up, bandaged, black eyed and using a crutch. The poor oak has not been able to answer how a universe came from nothing. DAperv is having a meltdown because he is losing the argument - he too cant answer the universe from nothing! Take your meds you daft loon!
So where are we now. We have taught the whacked out atheists that nothing can't create a universe.We have taught them that if there was always nothing there would be nothing now. We have shown that nothing couldn't create God with help from saffex! We have thus PROVEN God came before nothing and that God had to be eternal.
The whacked out atheists now know that somebody created the universe but insist it couldn't be God. Bwahahahahhaahhahahahahahahahaha what a terrible position be in!
But it doesn't get better for these very foolish atheist. Here comes another death blow to their Darwinian BS. Already mentioned the Cambrian Explosion where the fossil record shows nothing then suddenly fully fledged life forms with NO intermediate stages!!!
But see below.
Change who you are?
Never in a million years would I want that.
That would be hypocrytical.
SEE BELOW
Beeno, people generally too afraid to tackle the unknown.
It's literally the territory of few.
I can't understand why people oppose the idea of a creator being/force in the face of no other answers.
At least religion provides a hypothesis.
The others offer nothing and i heard the absolute more N D Tyson the other day say, "Who cares about the origin of the universe. There are enough things in the world to keep us busy."
I struggle to think of a more ignorant statement. Really, really and very really can't stand that guy.
It's crazy the amount of entirely stupid PHDs I've met in my time. Completely arrogant and always reverting to niche technical language in order to confuse the conversation, when pressed for answers.
Had a braai with a math PHD once and the guy was, no bullshit, unable to turn a burger patty over. Prodded and poked at it with a fork until he was basically braaing mince meat. This same tit was telling me he ignores religious people because they're not worth his time.
Just memorized his way through school and uni. These are some of the idiots we rely on to explain the universe.
Scientists love to look down on religious people but in my experience they're often the dumbest people I've met. And the only reason they passed university was because nobody would shag them.
THESE FACTS END ATHEISM ONCE AND FOR ALL FOR ANY HONEST PERSON. ITS GAME SET AND MATCH!!
YOU ATHEISTS ARE DONE.
The poor atheists are also up the creek without a paddle when it comes to the origins of life.
No i won't insult your intelligence by asking you consider atheist Richard Dawkins suggestion that life immigrated here from other planets.
Now twits saffex, sharbok, DA, crusaderfan and wee blobbie think they descended from rocks. Hardly surprising. rooitwit is a cut above these oaks and insists he descended from a monkey. Understandable of course.
Flew concentrated on other philosophical areas for the next several decades, only revisiting atheistic topics to debate people based on his previous works. He took part in cordial debates with theists, which included one in 1985 with philosopher and theologian Dr Gary Habermas on the most important reported deed of all, the proposition that Jesus Christ conquered death itself.1 This debate was held in Dallas in front of a crowd of three thousand people. It was judged by two panels of experts from leading American universities: one panel comprised five philosophers who were asked to judge the content of the debate, and the other comprised five professional debate judges who were asked to judge the quality of the arguments.
Four of the five on the philosophers panel voted that Habermas had won, i.e. the case he made for the Resurrection was stronger than Flew’s attempts to refute it, and one scored it a draw. The panel of professional debate judges voted three to two to Habermas.
At the most recent debate in 2004, at New York University, he declared that he ‘now accepted the existence of a God’ (p. 74). In that debate, he said that he believed that the origin of life points to a creative Intelligence,
‘almost entirely because of the DNA investigations. What I think the DNA material has done is that it has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce (life), that intelligence must have been involved in getting these extraordinarily diverse elements to work together. It’s the enormous complexity of the number of elements and the enormous subtlety of the ways they work together. The meeting of these two parts at the right time by chance is simply minute. It is all a matter of the enormous complexity by which the results were achieved, which looked to me like the work of intelligence’ (p. 75).
Flew was particularly impressed with a physicist’s refutation of the idea that monkeys at typewriters would eventually produce a Shakespearean sonnet. The likelihood of getting one Shakespearean sonnet by chance is one in 10690; to put this number in perspective, there are only 1080 particles in the universe. Flew concludes:
‘If the theorem won’t work for a single sonnet, then of course it’s simply absurd to suggest that the more elaborate feat of the origin of life could have been achieved by chance’ (p. 78).
Flew was also critical of Dawkins’s ‘selfish gene’ idea, pointing out that ‘natural selection does not positively produce anything. It only eliminates, or tends to eliminate, whatever is not competitive’ (p. 78). He called Dawkins’s The Selfish Gene ‘a major exercise in popular mystification’, and argued that Dawkins made the critical mistake of overlooking the fact that most observable traits in organisms are the result of the coding of many genes (p. 79).
Every scientist must assume that nature acts in certain predictable, measurable ways; this is what makes scientific discovery possible. Paul Davies argued that ‘science can proceed only if the scientist adopts an essentially theological worldview’ (p. 107). However, there is really no reason why nature should follow laws; the existence of such laws requires an explanation.
Three questions must be answered: ‘Where do the laws of physics come from? Why is it that we have these laws instead of some other set? How is that we have a set of laws that drives featureless gases to life, consciousness, and intelligence?’ (p. 108). Flew argues along with many other classical and modern scientists that theism is the only serious answer.
When Flew was an atheist, he argued that the universe and its laws were themselves ultimate (p. 134). Every belief has some fundamental assumption; for theists, the existence of God is the fundamental assumption. Flew, however, took the universe and its most fundamental features as that assumption. The discovery that the universe was not infinite threw a wrench into this assumption; if the universe had begun to exist at some point in time, it was reasonable to assume something caused its beginning (NO SHARTWIT NOTHING DIDNT CREATE THE UNIVERSE!!). Because it is more likely that God exists uncaused, rather than the universe, it is logical to argue for the existence of God from the existence of the universe (pp. 144–145).
Not only does our universe follow finely tuned physical laws, but laws which seem to be finely tuned to enable life to exist. The most common atheist answer is to assert that our universe is one of many others—the ‘multiverse’ speculation. It is interesting that atheists who refuse to believe in an unseen God, based supposedly on the lack of evidence for His existence, explain away the appearance of design by embracing the existence of an unknown number of other universes for which there is no evidence—or even any effect of their evidence.(HAHAHAHAHAHA BECAUSE THEY ARE 'FOOLS") In any case, Flew argues that even if there were multiple universes, it would not solve the atheists’ dilemma; ‘multiverse or not, we still have to come to terms with the origin of the laws of nature. And the only viable explanation here is the divine Mind’ (p. 121).
The existence of physical laws which allow life to survive is necessary, but not sufficient by itself, for the existence of life. The question of the origin of life became much more complex with the discovery of DNA, a molecule comprising ‘letters’ that code for the instructions to build the machinery of life. A real vicious circle is that the instructions to build decoding machinery are themselves encoded on the DNA. That life is governed by a complex code leads to the question:
‘Can the origins of a system of coded chemistry be explained in a way that makes no appeal whatever to the kinds of facts that we otherwise invoke to explain codes and languages, systems of communication, the impress of ordinary words on the world of matter?’ (p. 127).
He pointed out that natural selection can’t explain the origin of first life. Ultimately, a vast amount of information is behind life, and in every other case, information necessarily points to an intelligent source, so it is only reasonable that there be a Source behind this information as well.
GAME SET AND MATCH.
EXCUSE THE DOUBLE POST AS THE FIRST ONE DIDN'T SEEM TO APPEAR I DID IT ALL AGAIN. A LABOUR OF LOVE.
Plum a lot of brain washing goes on in universities. Classic case is the intolerance of political views opposed to the left, opposition to anybody denying climate change and of course opposition to those debunking darwinism. But the truth still comes out and prevails.
Flew saw the flaws in atheism. His motto was follow the evidence to where it leads. Unlike these very closed minded types here.
You mention fear, wonder how many of these brave atheists will read what i posted.
Yea Beeno Flew flew from the atheist camp.
He was the originator of their motto and then as many people who are true to themselves found the emptiness of his motto truly useless.
Shows how crazy this worldview is......if Jesus had to say he no longer believed in God the Father then what followers would be remaining?
Poor Beeno ……….still professes to have proven all of his theories..... simply by copying and pasting something that has been written by someone else....
Well done Beeno…… that proves everything...… LMFAO
Hilarious
Love how he always end with a statement that the discussion is over, then l spend 5 minutes checking his bullshit to find its either misquoting a real expert or quoting some quake with no education in the field he is ranting about who is trying to twist known information to suit his childrens book bwahahaha.
Beeno try educating yourself on the true sciences, check out PZ Myers for the real truth on evolution but you wont will you. You will find some other moron like you spouting nonsense because thats what you want to hear and you wouldn't dare try to open your mind to the real world
This is a good a time as any to pull out the quote from my Avatar not that I think it will penetrate the Jihadi's fanaticism.
"My Dear, Religion is like a penis.
It's perfectly fine for one to have and take pride in, but when one takes it out and waves it in my face we have a problem."
When they try to bend known facts or come out with complete lies all they do is more damage to their cause.
If you have nothing intelligent to say stay quiet is a good motto for beenshit but then he would have to be mute his entire life
Poor old saffex tells us he is a lawyer. But the clown will not look at the evidence. Instead he insists the evidence that he has not read is horseshit!Whst a mong!
Saffex proves once again what a dumbass he is and of course what a coward he is. He is too small (and rotund) to be able the man up.
Bwhahahahahahaha.
Note how saffextwit and the twits DA and crusaderfan don't tackle the problems for atheists that Flew presents. All they do is blabber away.
As with a universe from nothing these clowns are unable to explain the origins of life or the complexity of DNA. The information in the CODE. Flew said elsewhere it was the information that lead him to God.
Please note the chances of a simple Shakespearuan sonnet coming into being by random chance and the number of particles in the universe. Then think about DNA!!!
Moonrover we are dealing with individuals with low IQs. One can't blame them for that but what is blameworthy is their extreme cowardice and total dishonesty..
These hapless goofsters have been unmasked for the halfbakes they are. ??
As I have been saying it's been all too easy. Basically because the facts are on our side. Flew just had the courage to face reality. These little snowflakes don't.
It's horseshit wails wee poor Saffexperv! How do you know when you haven't read it. Hahahahaha cras h goes old Saffex once again.
Hilarious stuff from the very foolish atheists. ????
Hey Crusadertwit you haolles mong why don't you refute point by point what Flew has said.
You would prove yourself a better chappies than those two other mongs Saffex and DA. They could not refute me regarding the universe from nothing argument and haven't again even made an attempt to refute Flew.
Come on give it a go Crusadertwit, show us what a kiwi mong can do.
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It's so interesting to see that the more perverted you are the more you hate God. The light is agony to these roaches.
Hillarious stuff from religious fools here people.
And care to explain what your god supposidly made the universe out of?
Oh thats right you claim is magic and out of nothing bwahahaha stupid christian can accept magic but something natural is impossible. Show us some real magic beenshit, order up a magic show from your head warlock to prove it. I will settle for something simple like let say raise Christopher Hicthens (he has been dead nearly 10 years) or grow someones arm back hell i might even settle for a finger. Should be a piece of piss for him after conjuring up a cosmos or murdering millions of babies wouldn't you say.
Typical rigious twat, cant comprehend that alot of people aren't gulible enough to swallow such an obvious load of nonsense so there fore we hate god boo fuckin hoo.
I wouldnt piss on him if he was on fire because there is nothing to piss on or nothing to be on fire.
Get it through your thick head I DONT BELIEVE IN ANY GOD especially your stupid one
LMFAO @ Denny
So, you have all now been officially advised and informed.....
Your life force leaves you when you die...…. and if someone with exceptional 20/20 vision, is watching you closely, when you pass..... if they are as special as CC is...… they may even see it leave you.....
Personally I would ask them to get the camera ready...… for posterity
I just realised............….these latest phone cameras can shoot at up to 30 frames per second...… so even if you don't have 20/20 vision...…. you are still covered guys...…. you can catch that life force, when it leaves
It can capture the paranormal on film?
Bloody amazing.
As a favour, we need the Jihadi to pose next to it when the shot is taken.
Sweet!
"It can capture the paranormal on film?"
Well, if CC can catch all of this with his very own eyes...... then a camera shooting at that frame rate should be a cinch Denny
CC, imagine the money you could make catching this on film and uploading it to YouTube
Nobel peace prize..... or something similar?
I mean...... think about it dude...…...you have this incredible ability to do something that the other 7.7 billion people on this planet cannot do, and that includes millions and millions of Christians as well....
You are special boet
Fuck me..... imagine the hits on YouTube bro.....
Gotcha!!!
I know where you're going with this you smarty man you hehehehe ...you're thinking Doco aren't you........clever....very clever......you can sniff a dollar now can't you?
Good one. Think you've hit the jackpot DA.....I can see the $$$$$ pouring in.
So there we have it folks, a doco made with our own "normal" hooked to the paranormal all on film.
All we need is a Director, a Producer and a Script Writer?
How's about "Fruitcake Beeno" as Director
"Clean Cut-ey" as Producer
Sebastian as Script Writer and to save some money the versatile "Fruitcake" can double up as lead actor.
There....all the Happy Clappers or Happy Fakes bundled ready for Netflix.
Thoughts?
bwaahahahahahahahahahahahha despite repeated challenges, inthe case of the Universes creating itself out of nothing these dumbasses has com up with nothing!
Oaks all you have to do is explain how nothing created a universe.'Put your empty heads together and come up with something. At least give it a shot.
You cowardice, the whole lot of you nutjobs in not even attempting to refute ex world leading atheist Flew is so telling.
You halfwits have nothing and now you stand looking like the hard baked loons you are and providing much merriment.
Wonder how much poor crusadertwit can take before the loon goes pop! Guess being exposed as a very foolish kvwv mong has upset the oak!
But to all the dumbass atheist here. Read he Flew message carefully and if you cant refute it or refute the universe from nothing issue just admit you have no rational; basis for your nonsense, apologise to been and other sane posters here and we will endeavour to enlighten you further. There is so much you are ignorant of.
You see atheists times have moved on. Flew once thought he was on solid ground. Science however was making earth shattering discoveries which completely blew up you poor mislead atheists. Flew had to changed his mind because of the evidence. You lot though are too bigoted, to close minded and too cowardly. Come on i am sure you can do better.
You must surely know all you insults and rants are not evi dence of anything other than you bigoted ignorance.
I knew you would get it Denny.... well done my good man..... Doco it certainly was...… I see that you also see the huge potential here......
Yep..... I did see...... and still do see...… many dollars.
Anyone with this profound and incredible ability of seeing a "Life Force" is quite honestly...…... astounding.
I'm thinking 60 minutes...…. no wait...............let's not try and get too big, too quickly...… how about Carte Blanche first.... keep it local...………..then 60 minutes..... and I then I reckon even the Ellen show...… so we can incorporate as many as the ladies as well
Why has this only made the news now..... I mean, CC is 57 years old already and he only releases this information now...…….
Talk about stupid...….. sheeeesh CC…… show me the money dude !!!!!!!!
Sheesh Beeno…… you keep desperately clinging onto that universe from nothing analogy
Knowing that if it was ever proven wrong..... it would utterly destroy your life as you currently know it....
For your own sake and sanity, I hope it remains that way for you
Man this is lookin gooooooood!
Eat your heart out Nicholson......Clean Cut-ey is gonna upstage you!
Fruitcake Beeno will put stitches and then some into the bewitched...and
Sebastian will finish it off with a lulla- bye
We're talking fame here folks....and Dollars ...big ones!
Rugby Legend
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Jan 01, 2020, 13:43
Had a braai with a math PHD once and the guy was, no bullshit, unable to turn a burger patty over. Prodded and poked at it with a fork until he was basically braaing mince meat. This same tit was telling me he ignores religious people because they're not worth his time.
Just memorized his way through school and uni. These are some of the idiots we rely on to explain the universe.
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The braai conversation went something like this-
Plum said: "Have you seen any aliens lately?"
Math PHD said: "No, not really".
Plum: What is your job? I flip burgers at Mcdonalds.
Math PHD: I work at NASA. Our department discovers new planets across the universe. Other departments work on creating satellites that are sent to moons and planets within the solar system. Some departments investigate gravity, anti-matter, as well as general physics created by Einstein.
Plum: Scientists are stupid, why don't you believe in God?
Math PHD: I never said I do not believe in the possibility of a creator or an afterlife, I just do not follow man-made religions
Plum: "Ramblings similar to Beeno".
Math PHD: Sorry I don't usually speak about religions with religious people.
Plum: I am not religious either, I just sound like a religious person.
Math PHD: So you are not religious, but you support theology?
Plum: People with PHD's are amongst the stupidest people I have ever met.
Math PHD: Sorry, I have to leave soon, i f I prod the hamburger to make it thinner, it should cook faster. Then I will eat and drive at the same time. Bye!
DA you know only too well the universe from nothing issue has utterly destroyed any rational basis for being an atheist. Flews comments just finished you nutters off.
What great is there is heaps more from where this game from!
DA its not only the overwhelming facts - these tell everyone there is a God but do NOT make you part of His family, it's also having a personal experience with God. What do you think turned the raging Saul of Tarsus around in a moment when he was on the way to Damascus to persecute the Christians there. Again and again people have been stopped dead in their tracks like that.
Like Saul who became Paul i can say i know whom i have believed.
Best you cast aside your ignorant bigotry and begin a serious search for truth. The cavalier attitude of you atheists to truth and evidence is incredible.
Catch up wi th you later.
I have asked a million times and i am still waiting for your explanation beenshit but all we get is god is eternal and can do anything, care to give us an indepth explanation and some actual evidence. Obviously any loon van claim anything but man you are off this planet in lunacy
It would be highly appreciated if HE could start with lots and lots of rain......quicksmart.
"DA its not only the overwhelming facts suppositions"
As with everyone else Beeno….. there are absolutely and positively no facts at all, to support your theory...….. but keep at it...….
My the more one deals with atheists the more foolish you realize they are!
What even the dumbest atheist surely can grasp is that nothing can't produce a universe and equally can't create a God.. If there eternal was nothing there still would be nothing.
So yet again I ask these mental midgets what produced this stupendous universe.
Go and read carefully what the leading atheist of the 20th century says.
It appears that the kiwi mong Crusadertwit is way out of his depth. Logic is definitely not for this abject mampara!
You either say there was always nothing which means there is no universe but of course there is. Or there was not always nothing but an eternal God who created the universe by His mighty power.
Incidently read the Gospels, Jesus on a number of occasion creates things out of nothing.
The inability of these low IQ atheists to answer any evidence provided highlights their ignorance and confirms their bigotry and abject mental cowardice.
Poor Saffextwit calling Flews comments horseshit without reading the comments completely prove my point. ??????I really thought you would attemp a refutation but you can't. Hahahahahaha.
The boards mental pigmies are scared stiff by Flews comments. Saffex is so scared he cannot bear to read them. Oaks that is pathetic. When the leading atheist of the 20th Century changes his mind due to the evidence science has uncovered you mental pigmies should take note.
Instead you run away tail between your legs. Bwhahahahahaha.