Hmm, how convenient… Check out this death chart…

To see everything go to this link:

HERE

Dr. Birx explains why Covid death counts are so high in USA — it’s all about labeling.

Suddenly, no one is dying from anything but Covid…

Could I appeal to the few extremely gullible twits posting about things they have no clue about to just relax and read carefully what Beeno posts. Maybe one day in the future you will cease to be a rch jackasses and become mere jackasses. Hahahahhahahahahahaha

I asked the question repeatedly about comparable deaths previously and now for the same reason.  To think that the death tole by the listed health problems dropped from 13,000 to 5 000 this year answer my question clearly,   It is likely that in New York the virus itself may have directly caused the death of roundabout 2 000 people - the rest would have died anyway caused by the other listed problems.           

Yes Mike if you assume the same "Blue" deaths" then only 2500 died of the Wuhan virus!!!!!!!!! But they are saying for that period the death rate was 16,000. Means the deaths are overstated by 6.4 times

Worldometer today says USA deaths are 65,888. They might be as low as 10,295! The death rate again plummets!

HasBeen that chart looks suspicious. We are being gamed by both sides and one can’t rely on anything. Can you find any original reference. ‘Mid March’ also seems like a odd caption for a data gathering exercise.

Moz its from Citizen Free Press.

You will see there a link to what Dr Birx said about who was included. There can be no doubt that there has been padding. How much one doesn't know. There have been numerous complaints also by doctors saying they are experiencing pressures to declare the death Covid deaths.

Go to Citizen Free Press. The article Hmm, how convenient… Check out this death chart…has a clip where Birx says they took a liberal view of the deaths re covid. She even says other countries didn't.

Look this is in line with them vastly overstating everythin g to create panic. See what you can find?

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/2020/03/25/daily-source-bias-check-citizen-free-press/

History

Citizen Free Press does not have an about page, disclaimer or any information regarding who is behind the website. A Whois search shows the domain was registered privately in 2016. The only information we can glean from the website is someone named Kane is the admin and publishes all the article

RIGHT BIAS

These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.

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So we must rely on Kane to interpret the world for us?  

Isn't Kane the evil brother of Abel? Or was that Cain...

I think that anybody relying solely on any media reports for information needs to visit a shrink.    

Mike if these lefty communists/globalists say a website is far right or they say its bad. Go there immediately and you will find patriots who love their country and hate the insanity of the left.

“ Posted by: sharkbok (11427 posts)

Trump said that in New York bodies were being taken away using Ice Trucks, given the vast increase of deaths. 

Trust ou SharkTroll to pin this on Trump again. 

Police find bodies stored in rented trucks at overwhelmed New York funeral home

This comes directly from the Economist. It shows the excess death rate ie the deaths above the seasonally adjusted historical trend. These trends may be a bit light because I also saw the Flu deaths  dropped dramatically. But I think it’s fairly accurate.

It shows Covid deaths and excess deaths above trend. In general it shows most of the excess is explainable by Covid...but there are some additional deaths, which may be Covid deaths not captured.

None of these changes would materially effect the death rate...which is still the most inaccurate number because actual cases far exceed reported cases.

Excess mortality since region/country’s first 50 covid deaths

Updated on April 28th 08:47 UTC

Trump gets emotional about home town hospital in New York ...

FFS can we have an adult discussion for a change.....this thread is not about Trump.

Trump is human - the Democrats is hyenas who gloats about the deaths and hope for more to use in political propaganda against Trump.    

Trump is human - the Democrats are hyenas who gloats about the deaths and hope for more to use in political propaganda against Trump.    

"sharkbok

May 02, 2020, 20:46

I just removed the last bit about Trump . That was for Beeno/Ceradyne, but point taken. "

Exactly, the point I was trying to make. You were trolling. Again.

With that out of the way.....

Medical Misinformation, Part 1: Hydroxychloroquine

By Daniel Bobinski

Since the media-whipped-frenzy surrounding Covid-19 took over the news, an increasing number of doctors are openly stating their disagreements with the recommendations of the government’s experts, Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx. The problem? Many of these on-the-front-line medical professionals are being ignored or mocked. Some medical professionals are even seeing their videos removed from social media platforms. The reason? Their views don’t align with the prevailing narrative of the media and what I’ll call the globalist medical establishment.

Among the topics that need to be addressed when pushing back on the globalist medical establishment and their willing accomplices in the legacy media are the use of hydroxychloroquine, the negative impact of stay-home orders, and the change of focus from ‘flatten the curve’ to ‘don’t spread the disease.’

In this first installment on medical misinformation we’ll focus on the use of hydroxychloroquine.

In New York, a doctor by the name of Vladimir Zelenko has been on the front lines of the Covid-19 epidemic. Zelenko is a general practitioner in a place where 35,000 people live in one square mile. During an interview with Breitbart’s Steve Bannon on the Bannon War Room, Zelenko said, “Basically, the whole focus of the world up to this point has been to build more respirators. There’s been zero emphasis on how to have a clinical intervention.”

Zelenko said the standard protocol has been doctors telling their Covid-19 patients to go home, pray, drink fluids and take Tylenol. Then, if it gets too bad, “Go to the hospital and get intubated, and you have a 50 percent chance – or more – of dying.”

Clearly frustrated with Anthony Fauci saying we need to do a study (on the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine), Zelenko said, “Imagine Washington DC was being carpet-bombed. Would it make sense for Dr. Fauci to say, ‘I think we need to do a study to see which bullets work the best. It may take four months, but we need to study it.’ Or, would he use any bullet available to knock the planes out of the sky? We are being carpet-bombed by an invisible enemy. To wait four months – and let a few hundred thousand people die unnecessarily – I think is a crime against humanity.”

Rather than wait for a study while following the standard protocol for treating people who have Covid-19, Zelenko decided to take a different tack.

“I saw 1,450 patients,” Zelenko said. “Out of those I divided them into two groups: high risk and low risk. Low risk I did not treat, because they’re going to get better without any intervention. High risk was defined as over the age of 60 with symptoms, and under the age of 60 with symptoms but have chronic medical problems, like cancer, diabetes, high blood pressure, things like that.” He also said if anyone looked sick in his office and had difficulty breathing, he put them in the high-risk category.

Out of the 1,450 patients Zelenko saw, 405 fell into the high-risk category. “Statistically,” Zelenko said, out of that number, “you would have expected 20 dead, and a multiple of that, perhaps 30 or 40, on a respirator.”

The key to Zelenko’s success was not waiting for test results. “I initiated treatment based on clinical suspicion, even without confirmatory testing,” he said. “I did the testing if I had the test, but I did not delay treatment for 72 hours to get the results. Those are the crucial 72 hours. If we can intervene early, we can reduce the viral load in such a way so that the compromised person’s immune system could actually clear the infection without the development of the acute respiratory distress syndrome or pneumonia.”

And the cost of Zelenko’s protocol? About 20 bucks. How does it work? Dr. Zelenko says it’s quite simple. Zinc is well known to inhibit viral replication, as it inhibits an enzyme in the cells that allows the virus to reproduce. The problem with zinc is it doesn’t get into our cells, but hydroxychloroquine opens the door and lets the zinc in. Azithromycin (an antibiotic) is also needed because when lungs are damaged by infection they become susceptible to bacterial pneumonia. The azithromycin acts like a guard by the door, so if bacteria try to get in, they get killed before they can take hold.

But Zelenko’s numbers were much different: only two dead, four that were temporarily on a respirator, and five that were admitted to the hospital for pneumonia but are already home.

The negative talk about hydroxychloroquine

On April 7, NBC News published a fearmongering piece titled, Mayo Clinic cardiologist: ‘Inexcusable’ to ignore hydroxychloroquine side effects.

(Side note: I found it interesting that the article was not published in their “coronavirus” section, but rather the “nbcnews.com” >> “politics” >> “donald-trump” section of their website.)

The article cited a small, not-yet-peer-reviewed study that came out on April 3, a few days before the article was published, calling attention to a potential risk for cardiac side effects in a small percentage of the population.

When Dr. Zelenko heard about this, he went to cardiologists who specialize in the electrical systems of the heart. He said the three electrophysiologists had more than 100 years of combined experience in their specialty, and none of them had ever seen a complication from hydroxychloroquine.

The National Center for Biotechnical Information has several reports on the negative side effects of hydroxychloroquine. One, a June, 2019 paper titled Chloroquine And Hydroxychloroquine Toxicity details how 0.68% of people who take hydroxychloroquine for 5-7 years can develop partial blurred vision. A March, 2013 paper on hydroxychloroquine cardiotoxicity is essentially a case study on “only the fifth biopsy-proven case of HCQ cardiotoxicity.” This extremely rare condition appears to be correlated to older women (50+) who have pre-existing cardiac issues, chronic rheumatoid inflammation, and/or chronic kidney disease and have been taking hydroxychloroquine for more than ten years.

For the record, hydroxychloroquine has been on the Food & Drug Administration’s list of approved drugs since 1955. In 2017 it was the 128th most prescribed drug in the country with more than 5.5 million annual prescriptions. That means it gets prescribed more often than prednisolone, testosterone, morphine, lithium, hydrocortisone, cyanocobalamin (vitamin B-12) and penicillin.

On April 22, Reason magazine published a piece titled, More Evidence That Hydroxychloroquine Is Not a COVID-19 Silver Bullet. The article cites an observational retrospective “study” conducted at VA hospitals. I put “study” in quotes because the “researchers” from the Universities of Virginia and South Carolina simply compiled extant data after the fact.

In the Reason article, we are told, “”Hydroxychloroquine use with or without co-administration of azithromycin did not improve mortality or reduce the need for mechanical ventilation in hospitalized patients.”

I ask the reader to recall what Dr. Zelenko said about prescribing hydroxychloroquine in those crucial first 72 hours, and not waiting until someone is on a respirator. “When someone’s on a respirator, no matter what you do, there’s going to be a 50-60% mortality rate,” Zelenko said in his interview. [I mentioned this in a discussion with Moz on another thread. I mentioned  where I was told by my doctor that in my own case, (seeing that someone on a ventilator has at best a 50% chance), the very last thing that I need would be to catch the coronavirus and end up on a ventilator. Her opinion was that, should that happen, she gives me zero chance of ever coming off that ventilator again at best, if I survive, that is. ]

Also, what these University data-compilers didn’t report was the age of the patients who died, nor any chronic medical problems (comorbidity factors) they likely had.

Why do I say this? When this VA “study” first came out it caught my eye because I happen to be a veteran with a service-connected disability. I get my annual checkups and other medical treatments at the VA hospital in my town, and whenever I go there, I see a lot of Vietnam, Korean War and World War II vets in really bad shape. Even my 88-year old Korean war veteran father, who also gets his care at that same hospital, says he always feels better about himself after visiting, because so many of the vets getting care there are barely able to get around.

Dr. Joshua Dopko is an emergency room doctor whom I interviewed on my New Book of Daniel podcast. Dopko told me that if someone is in their 80’s with chronic illnesses such as emphysema or asthma and you wait until their ready for a ventilator to give them hydroxychloroquine, you’ve waited too long.

Doctors are taking the drug

Dopko also says he knows doctors who are taking hydroxychloroquine prophylactically, and that he himself is participating in a double-blind placebo study on the drug. “I feel totally safe putting it in my body,” he says. Dopko also said to get approved for his participation in the study, he was not seen by anyone. “There was no physical exam, no EKG, nothing. I answered six or seven questions on an online questionnaire, and right after I clicked ‘submit,’ it said I was approved for the study. I received my pills the other day and I have a 66% chance that I’m currently taking hydroxychloroquine.”

Dopko said in his 17 years of being a medical doctor, he has never seen the FDA issue restrictions on a drug like they have with hydroxychloroquine. “We’ve been told we’re not supposed to prescribe hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19 unless the person is in the hospital and it’s part of a clinical trial.”

“I’ve never seen this before. Doctors prescribe drugs for off-label use all the time,” he said. “For example, Amitriptyline was approved by the FDA as an anti-depressant. But now it’s generic and doctors prescribe it all the time for neuropathic pain, sleep disturbances, and even nighttime incontinence with kids,” Dopko said. “And Neurontin was approved to be a seizure medication, but now is prescribed for neuropathic pain and for shingles. This restriction makes no sense. We should strive to preserve everyone’s life.”

Why all the medical misinformation?

President Trump suggested hydroxychloroquine could be a game changer, and to his enemies, it was “game on” to see Trump’s suggestion fail. As many doctors are saying in interviews and in publications everywhere, this is the first time they’ve seen a drug that has a political party.

Dr. Zelenko, during his interview with Steve Bannon, said his protocol provides a 95% reduction in death, that France used a similar protocol and had an 88% reduction in death. He said Brazil implemented his protocol and they, too, are seeing a 95% reduction in death. “This is three continents,” he said, “Three groups of doctors who don’t know each other. But this is an election year. Anything they can do to not give Trump a victory, they’ll do.”

“It’s the epitome of evil to put politics and profits before human life,” Zelenko said. “I have zero tolerance for people who do that. They’re irrelevant to me.”

I agree with most of what Zelenko is saying. One can’t accept any bit of data without examining the bias of the  source. 

Hcq is condemned because there have been no randomized trials. But Remdesivir  is elevated to the standard treatment based on one trial whereas others failed. And it’s results are hardly better than those for the placebo.....time for leaving hospital is hard to establish, scarcely a ‘hard’ variable.

These are the same people who accepted vastly overstated pending death  rates from the Imperial College and others. That’s in part why it’s disappointing to see the conservative side produce poor numbers as well. The chart above and comparing current infection rates to death rates in the past few weeks....whereas it should be death rates in the next few weeks.

I believe this thing has an overall death rate around 0.25% and a death rate in the at risk group of 2.5%. That makes it a serious disease. 

But I also believe that life could go on while protecting the vulnerable. Must go on if we don’t have a vaccine which is very uncertain or better treatments than Remdesivir.....because then it has to run it’s course. And least lives will be lost if we can get the ‘not at risk’ population up to 50% exposure. That will allow it to burn out.

The longer this thing goes on in the absence of a cure, the more likely it  is that it will burn through the at risk population.

I saw another headline today saying ‘Proof, lockdown saves lives’. Lives today maybe.....but not in future and at an horrendous economic cost.

The epidemiologists have proven to be out of step with modern medicine, political as befits their role in governments and colleges and quantitatively weak. 

They have no strategic model, they are making it up as they go. And they won’t lead us out of this mess.

Excellent material Windpomp. 

I hope you stay safe. You need perhaps to be in a hotter warmer climate. 

Make sure you have your hydroxychloroquine cocktail at hand.

Selenuim, vitamins D and vitamin A.  You can also dose up on vitamin C.

Anyhow you do your research on the above. 

A number of doctors are swearing wearing face masks is a very bad idea. One of these is Dr Buttar - see London Real - note that they are forming a digital website where You Tube can't censor them. Will post their first FREE  discussion some time where 1 million people are expected to watch live.

Sunlight (vitamin D is very good for you. Kills the Wuhan Virus if it's around in under a minute. Hence Governor Newsom trying to stop people going to the huge Californian beaches is absurd.

The despicable demonrats are certainly trying to use the virus to beat Trump. Their defence of China has been a total disgrace. 

Can't think they will beat Trump but they are very experienced in lies and voter fraud. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8278001/Hydroxychloroquine-trigger-dangerous-heart-arrhythmia-covid-patients.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8274651/Study-casts-doubt-hydroxychloroquines-potential-treating-coronavirus.html

More than 90% of critical coronavirus patients treated with hydroxychloroquine developed signs of dangerous heart arrhythmias, two studies reveal

• Massachusetts General Hospital and the University of Lyon monitored the hearts of 90 and 40 COVID-19 patients, respectively, treated with hydroxychloroquine
• Most of the patients were in the ICU, meaning they were critically ill
• More than 90% showed signs of heart arrhythmia that can lead to fatal cardiac arrest
• Heart arrhythmias are a known side effect of the malaria and lupus drug  

Study casts doubt over hydroxychloroquine's potential for treating coronavirus as scientists discover shoddy trials fueled hope and warn the drug may suppress the immune system

• A Harvard-led research team reviewed 10 trials of hydroxychloroquine that were the basis for optimism around the malaria drug
• They found issues ranging from missing patient data to investigators stopping one study short due to the drug's dangerous side effects 
• Lead study author warns the drug touted by Trump may impair the immune system's ability to fight the virus 
• But if the timing and dosage are right it could combat dangerous inflammation in theory - though no study has proven that yet  

FDA warning - https://www.thedailybeast.com/fda-cautions-against-use-of-hydroxychloroquine-outside-of-hospital

It is very simple. The heart is a pump used to send oxygen around the body contained with the blood. If this drug interferes with the operation of the heart for someone with a respiratory disease, then it is a No, No. 

At best it could be used in the very early stages of the Coronavirus. 

The FDA is aware of reports of serious heart rhythm problems in patients with COVID-19 treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, often in combination with azithromycin,” the FDA wrote Friday. 

“We are also aware of the increased use of these medicines through outpatient prescriptions. Therefore, we would like to remind health care professionals and patients of the known risks associated with both hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine.”

The FDA previously authorized the emergency use of both drugs in clinical settings. Despite the risks, the federal agency said Friday that hydroxychloroquine can still be used in hospitals and clinical trials, but it was not immediately clear whether some future planned trials will be stopped after the warning.

----------------- (even conservative media have stopped touting it....

https://www.thedailybeast.com/study-of-hydroxychloroquine-trump-promoted-coronavirus-drug-finds-more-deaths

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-quietly-backs-away-from-hyping-trumps-coronavirus-miracle-drug-hydroxychloroquine?ref=home

Heart arrhythmia - Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic

@Sharkbok, it you were thinking of schooling me on heartbeat issues, you may as well stop right now. I am not really looking to expose all of my medical issues, because it is quite disturbing for me, having been quite healthy my entire life until the shit started hitting the fan out of the blue. Rest assured I know enough of immune treatment and heart rhythm issues. I suffer from Atrial Fibrillation, among others. I am on Bisoprolol to control my heartbeat and Apixaban blood thinners to limit the chances of a stroke. 

I had to undergo a major five hour procedure last year and first had to undergo a series of tests to make sure that I can get through the anaesthetic. Reason was that I had to stop taking the Apixaban for four days prior to the op and two days post-op, which posed a big risk of having a stroke. 

The crux is not the fact that hydroxychloroquine poses a risk of heart issues. It is about the probability. In medicine it is all about the risk percentage. If you read the article you may have noticed that it does not say that their is no risk of heart issues. It deals with how small the chances are.

Once again, trust me, I’m no medical doctor but I have been forced to deal with these risk percentages over the last almost twelve months. 

When I had to decide whether to consent to my treatment, I had to deal with these kinds of probabilities as well. It makes you look at this kind of information in a different light. 

Moz says the following in his reply: “ But I also believe that life could go on while protecting the vulnerable “.

That was also my opinion from the start. When the govt announced that they have identified 1.5m extremely vulnerable people who would be advised to go into isolation for twelve weeks, I immediately prepared myself to be one of those. Within three days I received a text message and an email and two days later a letter confirming it. I g et regular emails and texts with advice, suggestions and information/updates. I have been following the rules to the letter. 

@Moz. SB has got his knickers in a twist because he has to find something..... anything in that piece to latch onto. For some reason he decided to pick the hearts issue but, most probably, did not read the  piece properly. That is what I tried to explain to him earlier. 

This is probably what caught his eye. “ The article cited a small, not-yet-peer-reviewed study that came out on April 3, a few days before the article was published, calling attention to a potential risk for cardiac side effects in a small percentage of the population. “

If only he paid close attention when he read it. 

No Ceradyne, I have read multiple articles from various news sources over the last few weeks that have spoken about the heart risk. 

Read the articles in-depth that I posted. Search in Google yourself, and you will see that there are probably more critics within the medical community than those that are positive. At least in terms of medical organizations- not just individual doctors. 

The largest test done in the US was a coordinated effort on war veterans by US hospitals. It is believed that the impact was actually negative when compared to those that did not take it. 

The FDA said it is a risk, and they may even disprove its use for Covid. Not certain yet, but maybe 

The whole purpose of a ventilator is to take over the responsibility of the heart to ensure that oxygen is circulated around the body. Hydroxychloroquine can achieve the opposite result by slowing down the heartbeat , and therefore the circulation of oxygen around the body

Let me try again. Someone who has progressed to a stage where they need to go on a ventilator is already in a very critical state, even without having the coronavirus. The survival rate in that case (without coronavirus) is only 50% at best. The presence of the coronavirus makes it even worse. 

That does not mean that hydroxychloroquine puts evety one at a much bigger risk of having heart problems if you are otherwise fit and healthy. That is not the same for someone with pre-existing conditions. They are the ones at risk of being adversely affected by the drug. 

I can fully understand why I would be at risk, with my Atrial Fibrillation. I can immediately feel when my heart goes into more severe AF than usual. My heart rate reading is normally pretty low. Not because it really is low but because it “misses beats”. The AF is not a rare condition and many people have it. It is also easily controlled. But now I also have another serious medical condition on top of the AF. That is why I am extremely vulnerable and that is why I have to avoid getting the virus at all costs. That is also the same for others with pre-existing and underlying medical conditions.

When you are about to receive serious treatment you normally have to sign a consent. I did before my treatment started. 

I was warned of a long list of potential side-effects and they gave me the chances of having each side effect as a percentage. They highest percentage was one percent. All of them were less than one percent. I signed without having second though. In the end I have only experienced one side effect. I get a slight bit of  nausea when I eat something really fatty. 

To revert back to the article I quoted and your response. All of it underline exactly what the article says. The MSM has become sensational and they do not report on the findings of doctors like the one mentioned in the article because it doesn’t conform with the narrative. 

The MSM in general jumped on the bandwagon and were shouting out from the rooftops about the millions upon millions of people who were going to be dead by now and then it didn’t happen. They, the MSM don’t like getting it wrong, and those hanging onto the MSM also don’t like when their beloved MSM gets it wrong. 

You know, like when they got it wrong about the immediate effects of a leave vote. Or the 2016 US election result. Or the Russian hoax. Or the impeachment debacle. Or the Gen Mike Flynn debacle, which they have been ignoring like a bad habit over the last week. Or the fact that the DOJ are dropping the charges against those Russians that Mueller indicted. Nobody reported on that, did they? Or the reasons why the charges are being dropped. The only sources that report on these things are those off the main stream. The MSM won’t touch it with a barge pole. It’s embarrassing for the MSM to report on it. 

Yeah Windpomp you stay well and God bless you and keep you safe!

Hope you saw that post i made about Professor Knut Wittkowski. He has vast experience and insists this Virus will pass away and things will go back to normal. Great insights shared.