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How low can the Clintons go?

Started by clevermike37 REPLIES853 VIEWS· 16 Sept 2019, 12:31
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CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Sept 2019, 12:31
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16 Sept 2019, 12:31#1

Clinton's lawyer who acted for them wrote a new book in which he claimed that the latest Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh raped a fellow student at University.  The writer of the book should be seen against a background where he acted for the Clintons in the Whitewater scandal and Kavanaugh gave him real uphill.


The New York Times went ballistic in the book review case and then the trouble started.   The alleged victim claimed that she is not sure the person who raped her was in fact Judge Kavanaugh and fellow students confirmed that the woman cannot recall another incident mentioned in the book.  She also refused to be interviewed.


As per normal the New York Times ran for cover when it emerged that the story could have been cooked up by the Clintons whose cases may end up in the Supreme Court - so they want to get rid of at least one judge from that Court - especially the one that is aware of their activities in Arkansas.


The original New York Times article was used as a pretense of the DP presidential candidates to have Judge Kavanau gh impeached.  They need all the help they can get to get the DP out of the Sh!t they have caused for themselves.     

     

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
16 Sept 2019, 12:43
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16 Sept 2019, 12:43#2

Never mind the Clinton's.......closer to home they've had or are having inquiries......has anyone been locked up yet?

The inquiries seem to go forever without an outcome. With so much thieving, we are talking trillions, it should be easy to identify and prosecute the thieves. Or is this just another Africa unique way of doing things?

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Sept 2019, 13:13
#3
16 Sept 2019, 13:13#3

Denny

The problem is that Zuma appointed agents in the Police, Hawks and the National Prosecuting Authority as well as SARS to ensure that the cases do not reach the Courts.  The situation lasted till the latter half of 2018   

All the exposures have to be re-investigated before the necessary arrests can be made and the cases taken to court.  The new NPA  has been asked about delays in taking matters to court and she said that things should start to move faster soon.   

Thus far the following are going to court soon -

Zuma  - arms story;

7 charges - Bosasa case.     .    

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Sept 2019, 13:14
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16 Sept 2019, 13:14#4


CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
16 Sept 2019, 13:51
#5
16 Sept 2019, 13:51#5

"The problem is that Zuma appointed agents in the Police, Hawks and the National Prosecuting Authority as well as SARS to ensure that the cases do not reach the Courts.  "

The cases were kept out of the courts before Zuma was even in a position to make those appointments. In fact, the arms cases were actually dismissed in order to get him into office.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Sept 2019, 16:42
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16 Sept 2019, 16:42#6

Ceradyne 

Agreed but Zuma was already leader of the ANC and he started the infiltration of the various departments immediately after the 2007 Polokwane Conference of the ANC where he was elected.   The ANC turned criminal already  under Mbeki - but not as blatantly as it became under Zuma.  

The problem was that Zuma could not allow matters to go to the courts since they were hard on anything to do with bribery and corruption,   How many rulings have they burned Zuma and some of his appointees already  - I stopped counting.  The worst court for the racketeers has all along been the North Gauteng High court in Pretoria,  I frankly am surprised that the Judge President in that Division  is still alive.         

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Sept 2019, 20:25
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16 Sept 2019, 20:25#7

Maaik, Zuma is the personification of a very large and powerful faction in the ANC....and they were part and parcel of the running of the party from DAY 1 of the "New Regime "...Mandela kept them at bay for a while....Mbeki tried, but didn't survive. Cyril?...let's see if he survive...or gets compromised too.

PS, Malema and his ilk are part of it too, but moved outside of the party structures for window dressing. 

They are all dirty in varying degrees, that's why there are no political will to prosecute the looting bastards. Bloody banana republic.! 

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
17 Sept 2019, 02:21
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17 Sept 2019, 02:21#8

Malema seems a lot quieter these days and I'm starting to wonder whether it's because he's worried about pending investigations into the bankruptcy of the VBS bank.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Sept 2019, 07:07
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17 Sept 2019, 07:07#9

Denny

Malema has a string of court cases against him pending and he was ordered to pay damages for libel and attacks on journalists in others.  He is not really that quiet as is evident from his latest embracement of Mugabe - whose State Funeral turned out to be a serious flop as the people they offered free bus rides to the stadium where it was held  just did not turn up and only about a third of the seats at the stadium were occupied.

His role and that of Sivambu is being seriously affected by the VBS scandal and their ratings have gone down badly recently,   This is also likely the result of their racist attacks have now moved on to include Coloureds and Indians as well,  Their latest exposures by the media resulted in the fact that they are banning some journalists from attending their meetings.  If the report was in fact false, why do they not sue the media for libel?

Bu t that is not all -they launched personal attacks on Judges who ruled against them were condemned by the Chief Justice of the Constitutional Court as well.    

Anyway the ANC has gone rotten and the EFF us as bad if not worse than the ANC.   In that Draad is 100% correct,              .  .   

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
17 Sept 2019, 17:36
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17 Sept 2019, 17:36#10

CM your statement about how Zuma stacked all legal avenues with corrupt comrades is exactly what Obama did in the US.

To get a conviction is almost impossible thus all the delays and referrals have resulted........but Barr is coming with iron clad evidence and justice will prevail.

Going back to early 2017 I stated that the truth will come out and that justice will be done.....appears that it is about to take place.

Buckle up and hold on as the truth is going to shock us all.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Sept 2019, 18:29
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17 Sept 2019, 18:29#11

You are indeed welcome,

Hope it is - democracy in the USA was undermined by Obama and the Democratic Party.  Obama must have taken lessons from Zuma.   I think the rot started at the top and filtered down into the Government,   They actually should have their own Zondo Commission of Enquiry with public hearings and the swamp will be cleared up properly.  

It looked to me like Obama and Clinton  tried to avoid a Trump win and use illegal means like the Steele Dossier and spying on the Trump campaign to attain that objective.   So the whole lot inclusive of Biden and Kerry was involved as well.   

They are still is trying crooked means to make sure they are not put on trial - it would be the biggest show ever on earth if they get their just desserts.         

SH
sharkbokCaptain23,217 posts
18 Sept 2019, 01:36
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18 Sept 2019, 01:36#12
It amazes me how much people know about American politics, all from reading a few tabloids...
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
18 Sept 2019, 02:18
#13
18 Sept 2019, 02:18#13

Arthur John is from Canada.

SH
sharkbokCaptain23,217 posts
18 Sept 2019, 02:21
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18 Sept 2019, 02:21#14

So is Justin Beaver, Mike Meyers and Jim Carrey from Canada.

SH
sharkbokCaptain23,217 posts
18 Sept 2019, 02:21
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18 Sept 2019, 02:21#15

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DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
18 Sept 2019, 02:23
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18 Sept 2019, 02:23#16

So you have better sources? 

SH
sharkbokCaptain23,217 posts
18 Sept 2019, 12:27
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18 Sept 2019, 12:27#17
I would suggest taking tabloids with a pinch of salt. Also checking more reputable news sources, and checking a few different opinions. Not just be too quick to accept any tabloid garbage as fact. 
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
18 Sept 2019, 15:59
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18 Sept 2019, 15:59#18

So just what facts are you disputing Sharkflake?

Zuma's actions or his cousin Obama's deceit.

Surely you can and should at least accept the truth.


I suppose it to much for you to accept......but stay tuned.

The truth will set you free.


BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Sept 2019, 16:16
#19
18 Sept 2019, 16:16#19

AJ a pothead like sharktwit is simply not acquainted with the truth. Not to be taken seriously. 

As for Clinton you really don't go much lower. If AG Barr and Durham are genuine lawmen the Clinton's will never leave prison if they are not executed for treason! 

Ditto Hussein Obummer. Brennan, Clapper, Comey etc. 

First step the IG report. Barr and Durham have the power to prosecute and MUST DO SO.

Sharktwit are you still lapping up fake news NYT. Man have they come an Almighty cropper! Even left wing rags are castigating the clowns. 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Sept 2019, 16:16
#20
18 Sept 2019, 16:16#20

AJ a pothead like sharktwit is simply not acquainted with the truth. Not to be taken seriously. 

As for Clinton you really don't go much lower. If AG Barr and Durham are genuine lawmen the Clinton's will never leave prison if they are not executed for treason! 

Ditto Hussein Obummer. Brennan, Clapper, Comey etc. 

First step the IG report. Barr and Durham have the power to prosecute and MUST DO SO.

Sharktwit are you still lapping up fake news NYT. Man have they come an Almighty cropper! Even left wing rags are castigating the clowns. 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Sept 2019, 16:16
#21
18 Sept 2019, 16:16#21

AJ a pothead like sharktwit is simply not acquainted with the truth. Not to be taken seriously. 

As for Clinton you really don't go much lower. If AG Barr and Durham are genuine lawmen the Clinton's will never leave prison if they are not executed for treason! 

Ditto Hussein Obummer. Brennan, Clapper, Comey etc. 

First step the IG report. Barr and Durham have the power to prosecute and MUST DO SO.

Sharktwit are you still lapping up fake news NYT. Man have they come an Almighty cropper! Even left wing rags are castigating the clowns. 

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
18 Sept 2019, 17:26
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18 Sept 2019, 17:26#22

Sharkflake......yes the three guys you correctly named are born Canadians and are all "Snowflakers".

Unlike them I was born in RSA and I am no "Snowflake".


But was wise enough to make the move when we did.


Sorry guy.  

SH
sharkbokCaptain23,217 posts
18 Sept 2019, 17:33
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18 Sept 2019, 17:33#23
@Ajh,
Zuma was one of the worst crooks ever, but TIA (This is Africa). No one is disputing that.
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However, to compare Zuma to Obama or Clinton is ludicrous. There is no way that someone like Zuma would get away with corruption like that in America, with a government containing lots of smart and capable people.
To hail one American president as a saviour and the other as the devil (E.g. Trump vs Obama), is just not realistic. It is out of touch with reality. 
Politics is a messy business, and they are all backstabbers. However, the difference between one president in America to the next is not that much. (at least not in comparison with a Zuma).
Zuma had 2 brain cells. Obama and even Trump are much smarter. 
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
18 Sept 2019, 21:17
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18 Sept 2019, 21:17#24

Granted the scales of corruption have no bounds in either country (RSA vs USA), but politics is corrupt only because one person gains power and then attempts to place all his connections in charge of departments.

Once this is accomplished the corruption base is set and all hell breaks loose.

For example just check the "regulations" placed on companies in the USA by Obama which resulted in near collapse of companies, sending shares tumbling due to these "regulations"and then riding in to scoop up all the shares at rock bottom prices is......YES you got it right OBAMA's friends.

After they have filled their quotas, some relief in the form of roll backs on the initial regulations is decreed by the Almighty One in the White House and overnight all these "buddies" become wealthy share holders,

Wow, amazing investors they claim to be.

Zuma to my knowledge carried out similar actions with the brothers from India in RSA.

Scales are different but the corruption is not.

Sure there was corruption when the Nats ran the show.....but the level of corruption and theft was amateurish compared to these criminals. But that does not excuse them.

But in spit of all this mayhem in both countries honest and patriotic folks will come to the fore and the truth will prevail.


Justice will eventually be served.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Sept 2019, 21:51
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18 Sept 2019, 21:51#25

SB

I have always been interested in politics - whether in SA or worldwide.   I was brought up in a house where politics was never discussed with the children - but where there always was a distrust of Government, irrespective of who was in charge.

Anyway to give you an example - when in school my best subject was history o when they asked me what book price I want on attaining the top History performance in school, I chose War and Peace of Tolstoy,   Being interested in history - you obviously have to take note of politics and in modern time history is there for all to see in the media.

As to American politics there is a very real problem that I pickled up by looking at CNN and I found that over time they became the voice of the Democratic Party.   I still watch the BBC and Sky News - also Bloomberg News.   The SA news services are basically anti Trump as well.   I generally do not follow the type of videos Beeno post on site.

Over the years I found that media has become more radicalized and less reliable. so I do much more reading on a wider basis than most people do.   I sometimes read up expert findings of professionals that tend to explain the outcomes of elections and came to the conclusion that  through influence of the media ordinary working class people tend to be poorer today than they were in the 1980's, while the politico's and the wealthy are getting richer.  The media try to brainwash people constantly and most of what is happening is easily distorted.   Fact is that some stories have been disgusting. 

Over the last 40 years the Americans had had a serious detrimental impact on politics worldwide.   The main interest of the Presidents - other than Reagan was to start wars all over the globe.   Ceradyne claims with reason it is the result of the Arms Industry, while Beeno claims it is the result of the Globalists.   I after studying the trends think there is a bit of truth in both.

As to the present media campaigns by most of the media there is a problem.  After two years of bombardment of people about the Russians and the Trump election campaign the exact opposite became clear.   The whole propaganda was started by the Obama Administration to avoid a Trump victory in 2016 because he said he is going to clean up the swamp in Washington and he definitely was anti the political establishment of both the Democratic and Republican Parties. 

For that purpose the Obama Administration used people in Government Departments to do the dirty work.   Politics has always been a dirty business and there is no real difference  between what happened under the Obama Administration and what happened under Zuma.  Based on the plan the Mueller Special Council operation was put in place and they spent two years  investigation and they could find no evidence of Collusion between the Russians and Trump.

Zuma has been caught out by the media and in the end fell because of that,   Was Obama as bad  as Zuma - there are indications that he was and that the FBI thus far covered it up,   There are present investigations that could uncover fraught and corruption under the Obama  Administration of major proportions so he is not the saint every newspaper is trying to convince people of.          

The present DP want to destroy the US Supreme Court who did a supreme job of keeping the Administration of various Presidents to  the straight and the narrow insofar as the US Constitution is concerned.  They are doing a sterling job - much like the SA Constitutional Court is doing.   

That is not acceptable to the Democrats - they want the Courts to give the Government  a free hand to do what they please and not being independent.   That is the basis for the attack of Kavenaugh,   That is the long and the short of the matter.   

I obviously do not like what the DP wants to do. and what is happening is effectively undermining democracy and is a basis for future dictatorial purposes,

By the way crooks are generally cleverer than they  are given credit for  -  Zuma is a crook and so is Obama and a bad one at that.                                                        


         

   

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
18 Sept 2019, 23:22
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18 Sept 2019, 23:22#26

CM....unfortunately everything you have stated is unfortunately very true.


I live in Vancouver, British Columbia about 45 minutes from the USA border and often go south into Washington State to shop etc.

Washington State is and has always been a  Democrat stronghold with little to no support for the Republicans. That said I am amazed that since 2017 the Republican support has grown beyond expectations and is very strong at this time with support across all groups of people.

Many of our friends in Washington State have switched support to the Republicans and that includes  college students at Wash State University.

I don't believe it is due to Trump alone but the general population is sick and tired of people who run for office, promise the world and never deliver.

Very few of the folks who are elected to office have not benefited financially from their position in power and the working class is now starting to take notice of this fact and are finally starting to holding elected officials accountable. Many officials are and have been brought to justice since DT took over but they have to dig deeper and get to the next layer of corruption and deceit.

A/G Barr is doing that at this moment just watch how the worms are going to come out of the woodwork to sink others and try to save themselves.

This plus a few other factors are playing directly into DT hands and he is not at all shy to raise the issue as and when the opportunity presents itself.

I believe that the next few months are going to reveal the true extent of the wheeling and dealing and corruption of the USA government under Obama.


Justice will and shall be served plus truth will always win.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Sept 2019, 13:02
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19 Sept 2019, 13:02#27

Ou maaaikie funny how you don't watch the clips I post as being unworthy but you hold the same views as the clips!

By the way the Fox News clips are from by far the biggest TV station in America and again mirror your views. 

That was a dumb post to put it politely. 

The Clinton's are as corrupt as any African dictator and ditto Hussein Obummer. 

One thing for sure if you want to find out what really is afoot you cannot rely on globalist MSM  propaganda. The latest debacle at the NYT RE Kavanaugh once again proves that. 

One hopes that ou Trudeau wearing blackface will sink the globalist traitor. Kick these traitors out Canada. 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Sept 2019, 13:05
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19 Sept 2019, 13:05#28

AJ glad to have an informed sane member posting on these matters. 


CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
19 Sept 2019, 14:09
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19 Sept 2019, 14:09#29

" I don't believe it is due to Trump alone but the general population is sick and tired of people who run for office, promise the world and never deliver. "

If anything, Trump has at least shown them that there is life outside of the Dem bubble. Hopefully he has also woken up those Republicans who used to be rollovers for the Dems. I think there are quite a few who can pull out their hair for allowing the Dems to take the House in the midterms but even that has hopefully served a purpose. It may have finally caused the average American what a balls up a US government with a Dem run House, Senate and WH would look like.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Sept 2019, 14:54
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19 Sept 2019, 14:54#30

My fear is that the Democrats - and especially the leftists gain control in Washington the shenanigans by Obama would be mild compared to the crookery they would use to remain in power.  They would have the leftist media on their side and will try and rig the Supreme Court.   They would flood the FBI and CIA with their agents and declare all illegal immigrants as legal voters.  In other words the scams they used to get illegal migrants to vote will then be legitimatized.

That alone would add another million votes to the existing circa 5 million illegals already voting in the names of dead and departed registered voters.  The worst States in that regard is in fact California and to a lesser extent Texas, Florida, Colorado and Nevada.

A study by experts already calculated that the following happened already:-

*    Approximately   5 000 000 illegals "voted" for the DP in California  in 2016.

*    Approximately   800 000 illegals "voted" for O"Rourke in the 2018 Senate Race

*    Florida and other States vary in numbers.  

The problem is that in cities where the DP governs the voters roll is fraudulent and they do not eliminate dead and missing voters from the rolls and issue false drivers licenses to identify voters who voted from the grave.   The system is rife in most cities in the USA.    In  a recent Court case California was told to eliminate dead and missing voters from their voters rolls.   And that ruling is applicable to all states where the dead was used to vote. 

The Democrats and especially the Socialists amongst them is insistent in their aim to factually undermine and destroy the democratic system of Government in the USA - replacing it with a Socialist Dictatorship.  They need to clean up their act before they can get elected to govern again.               .          

           

BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
20 Sept 2019, 06:15
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20 Sept 2019, 06:15#31
I said ages ago when Beans was carrying on about Trump sending Obama and the Clinton's to prison, that it would never happen. I still stand by it. Maybe they do and maybe they don't belong in prison, I don't know, but there is no justice when you reach that level of power in America. Also, for anything they've done you can be bloody sure Trump has done the same in a smokey room with dodgy businessmen and politicians. I just can't believe anybody still believes the bullshit spouted out by politicians. Its all just a power grabbing game played by greedy dishonest megalomaniacs, and the voters are the canon fodder and the pawns. 
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
20 Sept 2019, 09:37
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20 Sept 2019, 09:37#32
@Bluebok. If Trump pulled 10% of the crap that Obama did, he would have been in jail. Trump, at least, is delivering on what he promised and he is not caving to the donors. He did not win on the back of donors. What he stood for was issues that he talked about for decades. He is now attracting donors because of his proven successes and not because of what he has promised them. Unlike presidents before him who got rich on the back of their presidencies, he was already wealthy when he became president and his presidency is actually costing him and his family money.
BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
20 Sept 2019, 15:07
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20 Sept 2019, 15:07#33

Cera, if you think the heavily pro business approach of Trump does not benifit him and his businesses directly then you need to open your eyes. There is always a petsonal agenda. Those of you on thelis site that are heavily in favour of one or the other side of the US political divide, need to learn to look at those they support critically. The truth will be a lot less romantic. 

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
20 Sept 2019, 16:51
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20 Sept 2019, 16:51#34
“Posted by: bluebok (3900 posts) Sep 20, 2019, 15:07 Cera, if you think the heavily pro business approach of Trump does not benifit him and his businesses directly then you need to open your eyes. There is always a petsonal agenda. Those of you on thelis site that are heavily in favour of one or the other side of the US political divide, need to learn to look at those they support critically. The truth will be a lot less romantic. “ You may be right but if you look at numerous interviews since the early eighties where he was nudged to run for office time and time again, and you listen to (a) what he reckoned was wrong, (b) what was needed to fix it and, (c) why he wasn’t interested in running at the time and (d) what would push him to run, you may come to a different conclusion.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Sept 2019, 17:12
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20 Sept 2019, 17:12#35

Well Blue, atleast he makes things better for all working class Americans. Look at the people around him and then loo k at those against him and how they go about it. 

Look at the things he stand for and look at the things his opposition stand for. The real issues, not the BS the media focus on...and then see what side of the fence you want to be on.

 I wish South Africa can have a leader putting South Africans and the South African economy ahead of ideology...not gonna happen in my lifetime. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Sept 2019, 18:01
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20 Sept 2019, 18:01#36

Blue

There is a slight problem.  In the 1980's Reagen was President and he was a good man interested in the well-being of the people of the USA.   He was not a warmonger and a man of peace.  Together with Thatcher and Kohl they caused the fall of the  Soviet Union by cutting off loans to the regme there.

Trump was at that stage a Democrat - but did not see himself opposing the good work done by Reagan,   In the 1990's  he still was a Democrat and when he saw what Clinton was up to he changed and became a Republic Party supporter,  He lost faith in Bush and saw him as a warmonger as well.  Obama was just plain a poor President and Trump decided that nothing would come from any of the potential Republican Party candidates and was horrified about the possibility of Clinton  succeeding Obama.   That would have  meant that the disasters of the Obama years would continue.  

There are a number of issues that affected detrimentally the working class people in the  USA and that was the fact that in the years after the Reagan presidency the standard of living of American workers declined.by 10% and unemployment increased massively as well as a result of the Trade Deals implemented with other countries.  Business was hamstrung by regulations that made business operations a nightmare.  He cancelled two major trade deals and cancelled the myriad of regulations that made business expansion very difficult.  The fact is he did more for the working class than any president  since Reagan.  The promises he made in the election in 2016 he kept. 

The real problem is that the  previous Presidents since Reagan were all warmongers getting millions from the Armaments Industry and he is not a warmonger like his predecessors were, .   He reduced the prices the Industry charged and would not run into a war scenario,  Take for instance the present Iran issue.  He wants to negotiate and the Democratic Party and  the media wants a war.   He slapped major sanctions on Iran and will not engage in a ground war in Iran.   

Trump put his business interest in a Trust and he would not take the presidential salary and pays  some of his key staff from his own pocket,  The income from his Washington Hotel iro of delegates from other countries staying there he repaid to the Government.   In essence he gets zero from the Government and I do not think he is enriching himself directly through that.  The US economy is booming and obviously the t rust businesses will benefit from that, 

I think that Trump as a billionaire already is not interested in getting richer through corruption like was the case with the Bushes, Clinton and Obama.  

                       

 

     

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
20 Sept 2019, 19:18
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20 Sept 2019, 19:18#37
“ In the 1990's he still was a Democrat and when he saw what Clinton was up to he changed and became a Republic Party supporter “ Nope. Republican Party from 1987 to 1999. Switched to Reformed Party 1999. Switched to Democrat 2001 and back to Republican in 2009. He donated to both the Dems and the Republicans until 2010 when he stopped donating to the Dems and increase donations to the Republicans.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Sept 2019, 20:23
#38
20 Sept 2019, 20:23#38

Ceradyne

Thanks for the correction.  

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