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I wanna be an American

Started by sharkbok60 REPLIES2,669 VIEWS· 06 Jan 2023, 01:39
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
06 Jan 2023, 22:01
#41
06 Jan 2023, 22:01#41

So you have no interest in the opposite perspective….typical Woke one way street thinking.

I have no interest in spending time in Plums endless world of conspiracies, from Alien's to 9/11 to Climate Change to Covid, actually be quicker if I just listed conspiracies he doesn't believe in.

Ah yes woke, the standard refrain from the right wingers when they need a distraction from reality.

Lol it’s not even a matter of perspective, the Twitter files are openly available to anyone.

Whats the bets it  is a matter of perspective and if I look into this more thoroughly I find its got some genuine elements of censorship mixed in with a whole load of lies and exaggerations twisted to serve a right wing political agenda.

And Star wants us to take him seriously.

Go back to Rigel 7.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jan 2023, 00:12
#42
07 Jan 2023, 00:12#42

Wonderful.   That is where you are ignorant about the undermining of the Police and the justice system through which the Democrats have changed the inner cities of the USA a murder sphere with crime at extremely high levels.   The criminals have arms and they do not hesitate to use it, even during the riots organized and funded by the Democratic Party using the BLM and Antifa as their terrorist subsidiaries.     

Gun sales has increased sharply in cities in the USA because people thought themselves to be endangered by the armed gangsters and criminals, while the police are hampered by staff reduction and regulations - limiting their reaction to call-outs especially bearing in mind the murder of Police Officers.

There is no doubt that the Democrats are trying to pass legislation to undermine the US Constitution.   That is the reason why some people think they must stop undermining of the Constitution - How widespread that type of thinking is not really proven as fact.   What is certain is that the collapse of law and order in cities throughout the USA have turned people to buy guns to defend themselves.

                   

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
07 Jan 2023, 00:53
#43
07 Jan 2023, 00:53#43
Lol Star… The truth is two words and a click away… “Twitter files” + hit -enter-. But let me get this straight… 1) The paper that i linked you too ain’t enough. So much for science. 2) A headline story that is basically a scandal at this point has seemingly evaded you and despite the files being readily available for review…you excuse your bias on the basis that “It’s Plum saying it so it must be bs”. So much for evidence. How far you’ve fallen.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2023, 02:43
#44
07 Jan 2023, 02:43#44

Well in the case of Covid, it turned out to be just a flu. Hell you have Aussies playing a test match with Covid, Granted as I pointed out at the time it was initially dangerous because of our lack of exposure.

But time and the vaccines have made it exactly what the conspiracy theorists called it on Fox…just another Flu.

I picked it up at the Miami Art Fair and it spoiled my golf the next day, but it was gone faster than the mildest flu. There were a lot of agendas with Covid, not all legitimate.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
07 Jan 2023, 02:49
#45
07 Jan 2023, 02:49#45

I'll try to help you.

1. The paper you linked too doesn't prove what you think it proves.

2. Its a scandal only in so far is that you want it to be a scandal. It didn't evade me entirely, just for a number of reasons I suspected it would turn out that the Twitter Files would be mostly right wing bullshit that I can safely ignore and not waste my time on . 

My basis isn't "Its Plum saying it so must be bs" its more that Musk was saying it, though if it makes you feel better you saying it is additional confirmation to me that its almost certainly bs.
As for science and evidence, just like the truth you haven't the slightest grasp of those concepts.
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
07 Jan 2023, 02:53
#46
07 Jan 2023, 02:53#46

But time and the vaccines have made it exactly what the conspiracy theorists called it on Fox…just another Flu.

If only Fox news said, just another Flu...in two and a bit ye ars from now.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2023, 04:22
#47
07 Jan 2023, 04:22#47

Many of them did say it would weaken over time to become effectively a flu. And I can’t remember anybody on Fox saying it would have a 4% death rate or as the good Dr said….shaking of hands is a thing of the past. Neither Fox nor CNN got this right, but Fox was probably sounder.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jan 2023, 08:51
#48
07 Jan 2023, 08:51#48

The fact is the media in which Stav believe implicitly generate lies concocted by their owners and his take on Twitter is BS.     The fact is that the Biden Administration used the FBI and CIA  to censor publication of any news to their detriment and the Democratic Party and their corrupt leadership was directly responsible for undermining freedom of speech. 

Stav is known for not believing facts when they contradict his weird thinking on issues.        

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
07 Jan 2023, 09:39
#49
07 Jan 2023, 09:39#49
Hey, Star…you’ll never guess what all these far right sites like MSN.com are publishing on their news page… “ “We don’t do this.” That response from Twitter to Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) is a singular indictment, coming at the height of Twitter’s censorship operations. Apparently, there were some things that even Twitter’s censors refused to do. One of those things was silencing critics of Schiff and his House committee. In the latest tranche of “Twitter Files,” journalist Matt Taibbi revealed that Twitter balked at Schiff’s demand that Twitter suspend an array of posters or label their content as “misinformation” and “reduce the visibility” of them. Among those who Schiff secretly tried to censor was New York Post columnist Paul Sperry. Sperry drew Schiff’s ire by writing about a conversation allegedly overheard by one of his sources. Sperry’s article, which appeared in RealClearInvestigations, cited two sources as overhearing two White House staffers discussing how to remove newly-elected President Trump from office. The article raised the possibility of bias on the part of an alleged key player in launching the first Trump impeachment, CIA analyst Eric Ciaramella. The sources reportedly said that Ciaramella was in a conversation with Sean Misko, a holdover from the Obama administration who later joined Schiff’s staff. The conversation — in Sperry’s words — showed that “just days after [Trump] was sworn in they were already trying to get rid of him.” Rather than simply refute the allegation, Schiff wanted Sperry and other critics silenced. His office reportedly laid out steps to cleanse Twitter of their criticism, including an instruction to “remove any and all content about Mr. Misko and other Committee staff from its service — to include quotes, retweets, and reactions to that content.” The date of Schiff’s non-public letter in November 2020 is notable: Earlier that year, I wrote a column for The Hill criticizing Schiff for pushing for censorship of misinformation in a letter that he sent to social media companies. His office promptly objected to the very suggestion that Schiff supported censorship. We now know Schiff was actively seeking to censor specific critics on social media. These likely were viewed as more than “requests” since Schiff was sending public letters threatening possible legislative action against these same companies. He wanted his critics silenced on social media. After all, criticizing his investigations or staff must, by definition, be misinformation — right? His office seems to have indicated they knew Twitter was using shadowing-banning or other techniques to suppress certain disfavored writers. In the letter, his staff asked Twitter to “label and reduce the visibility of any content.” Twitter, however, drew the line with Schiff; one of its employees simply wrote, “no, this isn’t feasible/we don’t do this.” The “this” referred to in this case was raw political censorship. And even a company that maintained one of the largest censorship programs in history could not bring itself to do what Schiff was demanding — but the demand itself is telling. Not only does it show how dishonest some politicians have been in denying censorship while secretly demanding it, it also shows the insatiable appetite created by censorship. The article in question, written by Sperry, is a good example. Sperry has denied ever supporting QAnon conspiracy theories, as Schiff’s office charged. Yet even if Sperry’s account about Schiff’s staffer was wildly untrue, that should make it easier to rebut publicly. The move by Schiff to ban Sperry and others on Twitter — and to remove content — is highly ironic. Schiff has been criticized repeatedly for promoting “misinformation” and for relying on unidentified “sources” for his claims of Trump’s criminality. For example, Schiff pushed the false claim that the infamous Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation; he also was criticized for pushing false narratives of Trump-Russia collusion in the 2016 election. Nevertheless, I would equally oppose any effort to ban Schiff from social media, although that is hardly likely given the demonstrated political bias of past censorship efforts. For his part, Sperry was later permanently suspended by Twitter, which I also criticized. Schiff is unlikely to be deterred by the release of these communications. He recently sent a letter to Facebook, warning it not to relax its censorship efforts. His letter, written with Reps. André Carson (D-Ind.), Kathy Castor (D-Fla.) and Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), reminded Facebook that some lawmakers are watching the company “as part of our ongoing oversight efforts” — and suggested they may be forced to exercise that oversight into any move by Facebook to “alter or rollback certain misinformation policies.” Schiff’s actions embody the slippery slope of censorship. By labeling his critics as QAnon supporters or purveyors of “misinformation,” he sought to have allies in social media “disappear” critics like Sperry — yet he found that even those allies could not stomach his demands. Given Twitter’s censorship of even satirical sites, it was akin to being turned down by a Kanye West podcast as being too extreme. With the disclosure of apparent FBI involvement in Twitter’s censorship program, the release of the Schiff files is another rare insight into how government officials attempted to enlist social media companies for censorship by surrogate or proxy. That is precisely why many in the media, political and business establishments have mobilized against Elon Musk, the new owner of Twitter who has released these compromising files. In a recent tweet, Schiff chastised Musk and demanded more answers from the Twitter CEO. While insisting that “I don’t support censorship,” Schiff asked Musk if he would “commit to providing the public with actual answers and data, not just tweets?” Well, Musk just did precisely that. The “actual answer” is that Schiff has long sought to silence his critics, and Musk has exposed the underbelly of censorship — which is where we found Adam Schiff.“ These wild conspiracies huh?
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
07 Jan 2023, 09:53
#50
07 Jan 2023, 09:53#50
Hi again, Star Here’s yet again more reporting in the matter, this time basically straight for the neo-nazi conspiracy think tank known as The Washington Times. “ More than two-thirds of voters think the recent revelations exposed in Elon Musk’s “Twitter Files” warrant further investigation by Congress, according to a new poll that shows concerns about censorship of conservative voices on social media extend far beyond the Republican base. Mr. Musk’s steady drip of internal documents since taking over Twitter has revealed the extent to which the platform worked with the Biden campaign and federal agencies to moderate speech. It exposed Twitter‘s liberal bent in censoring conservative viewpoints and suppressing news stories that linked then-candidate Joseph R. Biden to his son Hunter’s eyebrow-raising business foreign business deals. Despite those revelations going largely ignored by liberal-leaning legacy new outlets, voters across the political spectrum say the conduct exposed in the Twitter Files likely crossed the line. A recent survey by the Harvard Center for American Political Studies and Harris Insights & Analytics found that 71% of Republicans, 65% of Democrats and 68% of independents think Congress and the FBI should thoroughly investigate potential civil and First Amendment violations by Twitter. The Twitter Files revealed the close coordination between social media companies and federal officials to moderate content, including requests by the FBI to censor individual posts and ban certain users. ? In one internal Slack exchange disclosed by Matt Taibbi, one of several independent journalists given access to Mr. Musk’s vault, Twitter’s head of trust and safety, Yoel Roth, wrote that he met with federal officials from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security on Twitter’s censorship of the Hunter Biden laptop story. During those meetings, Twitter executives were alerted to rumors that Hunter Biden would be the target of a “hack and leak operation,” a warning which, in part, led social media platforms to suppress The New York Post’s October 2020 story exposing Mr. Biden’s links to his son’s embarrassing and potentially illegal business ventures. It refuted Mr. Biden’s claims that he didn’t know about and wasn’t involved in his son’s overseas ventures. The FBI took possession of the laptop in December 2019, 10 months before the newspaper published materials from the computer, raising questions as to whether the bureau sought to discredit materials they had already authenticated. The Harvard-Harris poll found that 74% of voters think Twitter employees should be criminally prosecuted if they were found to be working with federal officials to suppress content in violation of people’s First Amendment rights. That figure includes 82% of Republicans, 69% of Democrats and 73% of independents. Most voters, 64%, also think Twitter “engaged in political censorship” during the 2020 election. That majority includes 59% of Democrats. A majority of voters, 61%, say Twitter’s decision to ban tweets about the Hunter Biden laptop specifically was based on political bias, including nearly half, or 48%, of Democrats surveyed in the Harvard-Harris poll. A plurality, 48%, of voters say Twitter was specifically trying to help Mr. Biden during the 2020 election while 25% say Twitter employees were in former President Donald Trump’s corner and 28% say Twitter employees were even-handed. Forty percent of Democrats said Twitter employees wanted to help Mr. Biden. Voters felt particularly strongly about perceived political censorship on the part of James Baker, Twitter’s top lawyer during the 2020 election who joined the company after working for years as a lawyer for the FBI. While serving in the FBI, Mr. Baker was a key facilitator of the FBI’s much-criticized investigation into whether former President Donald Trump colluded with Russia ahead of the 2016 presidential election. Ahead of the 2020 election, according to Twitter Files documents, the FBI set up top-secret briefings with Mr. Baker who would later push Twitter to block reports that threatened then-candidate Biden. Internal emails also revealed that amid the chaos at Twitter on the day The New York Post published the story, Mr. Baker arranged a phone call with Matthew J. Perry from the FBI’s Office of the General Counsel. An overwhelming majority of Americans — 76% — said Mr. Baker “was acting out of politics in banning information about the Hunter Biden laptop.” That sentiment spans the political spectrum, with 85% of Republicans, 70% of Democrats and 73% of independents saying Mr. Baker was politically motivated. And beyond Twitter’s involvement in the 2020 election, 69% of those polled said Twitter employees were working with government officials to “censor Tweets that questioned COVID and other policies.” That figure includes 78% of Republicans, 67% of Democrats and 61% of independents. Sixty-eight percent of respondents said such behavior, if true, would be a violation of the First Amendment. That figure includes 77% of Republicans, 62% of Democrats and 66% of independents. The results of the Harvard-Harris poll, which polled 1,851 registered voters between Dec. 14-15, reflect a broad awareness of the revelations among voters from all political persuasions despite the series of Twitter Files being mostly ignored by left-leaning news outlets. A Media Research Center analysis found that the Twitter Files made up less than 0.5% of coverage on CNN and MSNBC, although the cable channels covered other stories related to Twitter. The study found that MSNBC aired close to two hours of content involving Twitter from Dec. 2 to Dec. 13 and more than 80% of its reports had no reference to the Twitter Files. “Since that study, we’ve seen that NPR and others have issued these conclusory comments that there is no story here,” Media Research Center Vice President Dan Schneider told The Washington Times. “This is how the left-wing media in America always operates.” He said left-leaning outlets avoid the Twitter Files because they are part of the story. “They either know too much and don’t want to have to backpedal on their false reporting in the past, or else they don’t want to implicate themselves in the wrongdoing that is now obvious for everybody to see,” he said. He said Americans are beginning to see the news media “acting as political operatives, not as reporters.” The Harvard-Harris poll also found that just 40% of voters think the mainstream media is fair and unbiased. The poll also found that 63% of respondents think the media supports political censorship on social media. Vanessa Otero, the founder and CEO of Ad Fontes media, the quantitative media analysis company behind the Media Bias Chart, said the Twitter Files, and Twitter itself, has certainly become one of many partisan issues in the U.S. Still, Ms. Otero, who is a lawyer by training, said there are elements of the Twitter Files disclosures that cross partisan lines. The suppression of the Hunter Biden story ahead of the 2020 election, a key focus of the Twitter Files releases, has an obvious appeal for Republicans, she said. But she added that the left traditionally harbors skepticism of intelligence and government agencies. Ethics surrounding the freedom of speech and First Amendment principles are shared strongly across partisan lines, she said. “So you sort of have this blending,” she said. “Each side has a reason to say ‘what the FBIand Twitter are doing together doesn’t feel right.” She said that crossover shakes out in polling questions, such as whether Congress should look into the disclosures further. “That is a function of the fact that this is not legislated,” she said. “There needs to be more legislation about what social media companies and the government can and can’t do regarding content moderation.” A vast majority of voters agree. Seventy percent of respondents to the Harvard-Harris poll said they support new national laws protecting the internet and social media users from social censorship. That figure includes 69% of Republicans, 72% of Democrats and 71% of independents.“
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
07 Jan 2023, 10:05
#51
07 Jan 2023, 10:05#51
Hey again, Star…this from Ottawa, that bastion of far right conspiracy virtue… “What are the Twitter Files? After multi-billionaire Musk bought Twitter, he promised he would lift the corporate veil on ideologically motivated censorship perpetrated by the social media platform’s previous management. The most anticipated documents, released this month to three handpicked journalists, chronicled Slack messages and emails between company officials that centred on the suppression of an explosive news story on the eve of the U.S. presidential election that could have been damaging to Joe Biden. They also exposed discussions around the company’s decision in 2021 to ban the Twitter account of then president Donald Trump. What did the Twitter Files tell us? The dump of internal communications was seen by many as vindication for those who claim Twitter’s content moderation policies are unfairly biased against conservatives. Posted in a Dec. 2 Twitter thread, journalist Matt Taibbi described the first installment of the “Twitter Files” as an “incredible story from inside one of the world’s largest and most influential social media platforms,” calling it a “Frankensteinian tale of a human-built mechanism grown out the control of its designer.” While content moderation purportedly began as a way to combat spam and fraudsters on Twitter, Taibbi alleges it grew into a means for famous and powerful users to request management remove content they didn’t like. “Outsiders began petitioning the company to manipulate speech as well,” Taibbi wrote. “First a little, then more often, then constantly.” A redacted screenshot of an Oct. 24, 2020 email between two Twitter executives included a list of URLs of tweets allegedly flagged by “the Biden team” for “review.” A reply to this email consisted of two words: “handled these.” While this service was allegedly open to both Republicans and Democrats leading up to the 2020 U.S. presidential election, Taibbi said the system wasn’t balanced. “Because Twitter was and is overwhelmingly staffed by people of one political orientation, there were more channels, more ways to complain, open to the left (well, Democrats) than the right,” Taibbi tweeted. What did the Twitter Files reveal about the Hunter Biden laptop story? While conservatives had long complained that Twitter had been suppressing right-wing voices, the company’s politically-influenced content moderation policies were exposed after a bombshell New York Post story based on emails found on a laptop owned by U.S. President Joe Biden’s son Hunter. The computer had been abandoned at a Delaware repair shop the previous April and the shop’s owner provided it to the New York Post. The laptop linked Biden, who was running for president, to foreign influence-peddling being done by his son Hunter and brother Jim. Twitter tried blocking the story from being tweeted and shared (Facebook then followed suit). “Twitter took extraordinary steps to suppress the story, removing links and posting warnings that it may be ‘unsafe’,” Taibbi tweeted. “They even blocked its transmission via direct message, a tool hitherto reserved for extreme cases, e.g. child pornography.” The New York Post, White House spokesperson Kaleigh McEnany and reporters, including at this newspaper, found themselves suspended from Twitter for posting links to the story. Subsequent emails posted by Taibbi show executives struggling to understand their own policy. “I’m struggling to understand the policy basis for marking this as unsafe, and I think the best expalinabilty argument for this externally would be that we’re waiting to understand if this story is the result of hacked materials,” wrote Twitter manager Trenton Kennedy. “We’ll face hard questions on this if we didn’t have some kind of solid reasoning for marking the link unsafe.” Twitter’s in-house counsel Jim Baker — whom Musk fired earlier this week — wrote it was “reasonable for us to assume that (Hunter Biden’s laptop) may have been (hacked) and that caution is warranted.” What did the Twitter Files say about banning Donald Trump’s account? A second document dump by Taibbi a week after the first concerned the banning of Trump’s account, which occurred two days after the infamous Jan. 6 riots at the U.S. Capitol. Taibbi wrote that while much of Twitter’s internal debate on banning the then president took place between Jan. 6 and 8, the framework for that decision had been in place for some time. Screenshots of Slack conversations seem to show a culture of on-the-fly decisions to ban content and users, often with little oversight or context. “During this time, executives were also clearly liaising with federal enforcement and intelligence agencies about moderation of election-related content,” Taibbi wrote, in later tweets revealing reports of false tweets even being reported to executives from the FBI. “Examining the entire election enforcement Slack, we didn’t see one reference to moderation requests from the Trump campaign, the Trump White House, or Republicans generally,” Taibbi tweeted. “We looked. They may exist: we were told they do. However, they were absent here.” By the morning of Jan. 8, internal Twitter communications show that they had given Trump one more “strike” left before being permanently removed from the service, reported journalist Bari Weiss, who was also granted access to the files, along with Taibbi. “For years, Twitter had resisted calls both internal and external to ban Trump on the grounds that blocking a world leader from the platform or removing their controversial tweets would hide important information that people should be able to see and debate,” Weiss wrote. The events of Jan. 6 put both internal and external pressure on Twitter executives to take action, Weiss wrote — showing screenshots of Slack conversations depicting many in the company were upset the ban hadn’t happened earlier. What has been the aftermath? Musk has fired a lot of people at Twitter, including those implicated by the Twitter files. And Conservatives have held it up as proof that Big Tech is censoring speech in America. But Daniel Tsai, a lecturer in business, law, technology, and culture at the University of Toronto, told the National Post he thinks the Twitter files landed with a bit of a thud. “I think Musk is doing it for his own therapy,” he said. “He’s trying to get validation that he made a bad deal and was misled into buying a terrible company — a poorly-performing company that didn’t have the subscriber base he was told it would have.” Musk had claimed, before buying Twitter, that their user numbers were vastly inflated by non-human, automated bot accounts. He has reinstated Trump’s Twitter account, and offered “amnesty” to scores of other accounts that had been banned by Twitter for reasons other than fraud or spamming. But Musk is now facing accusations that he’s already begun practicing what he preached against, using Twitter to ban accounts he disapproves of. Last month, he temporarily suspended comedienne Kathy Griffin for satirically impersonating him. This week, he used his self-proclaimed war on “Twitter bots” to suspend University of Central Florida Sophomore Jack Sweeney. For years Sweeney has, much to Musk’s dismay, operated @elonjet, an automated Twitter account that keeps track of the location of Musk’s private jet. Despite Musk’s Nov. 6 assurance that Sweeney would still be permitted to use the platform, Twitter banned all of his accounts on Thursday, including one that tracked the locations of Canadian government VIP aircraft that Sweeney operated with Canadian researcher Steffan Watkins. That was followed by Thursday’s banning of several prominent American journalists who had been critically covering Musk’s takeover of Twitter. Musk claimed they had posted tweets revealing the home addresses of him and his families, but the journalists and their publishers deny it.“ So much BS conspiracy stuff, one doesn’t know where to start or why nobody is being sued.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
07 Jan 2023, 11:12
#52
07 Jan 2023, 11:12#52

Hi again, Star

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
07 Jan 2023, 11:26
#53
07 Jan 2023, 11:26#53

Hi Again, Star

I've noticed that the Wall Street Journal have recently attended some QAnon events...starting to think they signed up.

Note: COVID Hysteria plunged the world into a financial crisis that has, is, and will continue to cost innumerable lives. 

"Twitter Becomes a Tool of Government Censorship

Alex Berenson was kicked off the site at the White House’s urging. That’s a violation of the First Amendment.

Alex Berenson is back on Twitter after being banned for nearly a year over Covid-19 “misinformation.” Last week the former New York Times reporter settled his lawsuit against the social-media company, which admitted error and restored his account. “The First Amendment does not apply to private companies like Twitter,” Mr. Berenson wrote last week on Substack. But because the Biden administration brought pressure to bear on Twitter, he believes he has a case that his constitutional rights were violated. He’s right.

In January 2021 we argued on these pages that tech companies should be treated as state actors under existing legal doctrines when they censor constitutionally protected speech in response to governmental threats and inducements. The Biden administration appears to have taken our warning calls as a how-to guide for effectuating political censorship through the private sector. And it’s worse than we feared.

Facts that Mr. Berenson unearthed through the discovery process confirm that the administration has been secretly asking social-media companies to shut down the accounts of specific prominent critics of administration policy.

On July 16, 2021, a reporter asked President Biden: “On Covid misinformation, what’s your message to platforms like Facebook.” Mr. Biden replied: “They’re killing people.” (The president later said he meant users were killing people.) Later that day, Twitter locked Mr. Berenson’s account, and on Aug. 28 it banned him permanently.

Last Friday Mr. Berenson published conversations from an internal Twitter Slack channel. Referring to an April 2021 meeting with White House officials, one Twitter employee noted that the meeting overall was “pretty good,” but added that the White House “had one really tough question about why Alex Berenson hasn’t been kicked off from the platform.”

Another employee asked: “Any high level takeaways from the meeting? Anything we should keep an eye out for?”

The first employee responded: “Yes, they really wanted to know about Alex Berenson.” The employee wrote that Andy Slavitt, then a senior White House Covid adviser, “suggested they had seen data viz that had showed he was the epicenter of disinfo that radiated outwards to the persuadable public.” (“Viz” probably stands for “visualization” and “disinfo” for “disinformation.”)

Mr. Berenson wasn’t the only target. At a July 15, 2021, White House press briefing with Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, press secretary Jen Psaki said: “We’re flagging problematic posts for Facebook that spread disinformation. . . . There’s about 12 people who are producing 65% of antivaccine misinformation on social media platforms.” This was a reference to the so-called “Disinformation Dozen,” 12 named individuals identified in a report by the U.K.-based Center for Countering Digital Hate—a report that Facebook disputed even as it said it had taken action against its targets. Ms. Psaki went on to say of the 12 that “all of them remain active on Facebook, despite some even being banned on other platforms, including . . . ones that Facebook owns.” That might have been a reference to Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a longtime critic of vaccination, who had been deplatformed by Facebook-owned Instagram.

At the same briefing, Dr. Murthy called on social-media companies to purge more Covid posts: “We’re asking them to consistently take action against misinformation superspreaders on their platforms.” At a briefing the next day, again possibly referring to Mr. Kennedy, Ms. Psaki said that if you post misinformation, “you shouldn’t be banned from one platform and not others.”

Recent Freedom of Information Act disclosures show that a week later, on July 23, 2021, Nick Clegg—a former U.K. deputy prime minister and now Facebook parent Meta’s president for global affairs—emailed Dr. Murthy to thank him for meeting with Facebook and to report on “the steps we took just this past week” to “further address the ‘disinfo dozen’: we removed 17 additional Pages, Groups, and Instagram accounts tied to the ‘disinfo dozen’ . . . resulting in every member . . . having had at least one such entity removed.” He added that Facebook was “continuing to make 4 other Pages and Profiles, which have not yet met their removal thresholds, more difficult to find on our platform.”

This goes even beyond what was happening when we wrote the week before Mr. Biden’s inauguration. At that time, lawmakers had repeatedly threatened tech companies with catastrophic consequences if they didn’t more aggressively censor speech the government disfavors. Congress had immunized these companies from liability if they remove “objectionable” but “constitutionally protected” content, to quote Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996.

In response to these and other inducements and threats, social-media companies were already suppressing speech about Covid that was well within the bounds of legitimate debate and sometimes proved accurate. Facebook had banned anyone from saying that Covid might have originated in a lab in Wuhan, China, or that the Covid vaccines didn’t prevent infection."



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jan 2023, 13:06
#54
07 Jan 2023, 13:06#54

SB

It is very easy to enter the USA.   Just fly to Mexico and contact the Human trafficking gangs and pay them $5 000 and they will put you on a bus provided you carry a small package for them to be delivered to their gangster partners in the USA,   

Once you are in the USA and delivered the small package to the US Gangsters the US Government will give you a cell-phone and send you by plane to any city of your choice after giving you a US certificate you can use to get anything legally available to US Citizens.    There you can apply for a driver's license and use that as identification purposes - for instance to register as a voter in the USA,

The protection racket of illegal migrants will be strengthened if you join the Democratic Party or better still one of their terrorist subsidiaries BLM and Antifa.

       

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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
07 Jan 2023, 13:29
#55
07 Jan 2023, 13:29#55

MSM in America was being bought out as early as 1916 by J P Morgan. Thus, from that time, the media has always been a tool to manipulate and alter society based upon the goals of the small few who run this world. David Rockefeller once boasted, decades ago, that "they" can change the beliefs and thoughts of the entire planet in thirty minutes or less, such was the power they exerted over MSM. Well, that assertion has been well and truly proven true. That, in spite of the glut of information to the contrary. Those who wish to prevent an open platform of information are always liars and deceivers.  

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
07 Jan 2023, 14:06
#56
07 Jan 2023, 14:06#56

Agreed, Deus

 "Those who wish to prevent an open platform of information are always liars and deceivers. "

...and those that buy it all aren't too far behind.

What's interesting to me is that, at some point, it's clear that they make a decision and choose to sit on the side that they know is wrong, partly to avoid embarrassment and also because it's a little more comfortable. Both are selfish motives.

And then they yell "science" and "conspiracy" in a tune most palpably ironic.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
07 Jan 2023, 18:29
#57
07 Jan 2023, 18:29#57

Hey, Star…you’ll never guess what all these far right sites like MSN.com are publishing on their news page…

MSN isn't a traditional news site/channel, it has a news page that consists of a collection of new stories from various actual news sites/channels across the political spectrum.

In the particular case of the article you quoted in that post, it was MSN linking to an opinion piece in The Hill, I'm not particular sure which way The Hill leans on the political spectrum, wikipedia for example cites two examples where the Hill could you accused of leaning to the left and another two leaning to the right. However the actual article was written by Jonathon Turley who if you care to look up is certainly on the political right.

Here’s yet again more reporting in the matter, this time basically straight for the neo-nazi conspiracy think tank known as The Washington Times.

I know you are being sarcastic when you say neo-nazi but rather hilariously in this case the Washington Times have actually posted Neo-Confederate content in the past. But yup the Washington Times are are also on the political right.

Hey again, Star…this from Ottawa, that bastion of far right conspiracy virtue…

Like with MSN this is actually an article by Ottawa but a link to an article by the National Post who are once again a news organization that is considered to be on the political right.

Hi again, Star

Well reading through the exchange this is something you can have a genuine debate on whether Schiff was overstepping the mark in what he was asking for Twitter to do, if he was misrepresenting certain individuals, or did he even do much wrong at all by simply asking questions, like he wasn't ordering twitter to do anything  The response from Twitter  does clearly show that Twitter at least in this case where not under the thumb of left leaning politicians. Would be interesting to know if other politicians from both political spectrum have asked Twitter similar things.

Hi Again, Star

I've noticed that the Wall Street Journal have recently attended some QAnon events...starting to think they signed up.

Another opinion peace from a news organization that leans to the political right. Though in fairness to the WSJ I believe they are genuinely considered pretty reasonable when it comes to factual accuracy in their content. not that factual accuracy is not something that comes into play when its an opinion peace.

So if your goal in copying these articles was to prove its not just right wing new sources who where interpreting what was in the Twitter Files the same way the right wing and you are, you've failed spectacularly.



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2023, 18:40
#58
07 Jan 2023, 18:40#58

It stuns me that seemingly intelligent people don’t  believe the source of information representing their general views won’t bend the truth. I regard myself as fiscally and  patriotically conservative…but socially a bit to the left of center. Believe it or not, a lot of what happens in the States is now driven by hard working immigrants from South and Central America and from places like the Phillipines.

I have employed many of these people and they are loyal and incredibly hard working.

But opening the Borders without a proper process is destructive. 

And I believe we should be engaging in discussions with Russia, China, Korea and Iran. But until they give up their apparent need to enlarge their sway, we should enhance  our military capability.

Oddly enough these views pretty much aligned with Trump’s agenda. To me they are all common sense and best for the whole globe. Unfortunately his personal style bothered people so much the MSM was able to sabotage him with lies like the Russia hoax.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
10 Jan 2023, 09:48
#59
10 Jan 2023, 09:48#59

Unfortunately his personal style bothered people so much that he sabotaged himself the MSM was able to sabotage him with lies like the Russia hoax


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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
10 Jan 2023, 09:48
#60
10 Jan 2023, 09:48#60

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
10 Jan 2023, 10:25
#61
10 Jan 2023, 10:25#61

Old Star attempts to appear as though he's all about credibility...facts...science...evidence...

Until it doesn't match what he wants to believe.

That's when the proverbial tits head north 

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