Israel forcing Trump's hand

I just can't answer your question with any more than that. I'm not on the side of the USA or Iran.

I think you would possibly change that 50 / 50 opinion towards the US, if Iran were to ever at some stage hypothetically gain any upper hand over the US... but that's just a wild guess on my part, and it's also a very improbable scenario as well.

Operation Epic Fail is a disaster for the whole world and the sooner Bozo packs it in the better.

Well, according to the New York Post, apparently a recent J.L Partners survey states that 83% of likely Republican voters, support Operation Epic Fury, whilst 9% say they strongly or somewhat oppose military action against Iran

I think you would possibly change that 50 / 50 opinion towards the US, if Iran were to ever at some stage hypothetically gain any upper hand over the US... but that's just a wild guess on my part, and it's also a very improbable scenario as well.

Iran can't militarily defeat the US or even Israel. It's an absurd possibility...but they are possibly now thinking they see a path to victory.

At first the Iranian regime had just one goal to claim victory, survival. Now they see something even better.

By closing the Straights of Hormuz...they see they have leverage over Trump, they see him panicking and flailing around in response asking Europe for help then threatening them...they even see him humiliate himself by having to ask China for help.

So the rationale to Iran might be lets just keep this up as long as possible. Even if Israel and the US stop attacking them, they might decide to keep the straights closed, the calculus being they can inflict so much financial pain on the the US and the world at large...that no one would dare attack them like this again and not only that, the American's will be held to blame for by most of the rest of the world every bit as much as Iran are.

Hell they might even conclude they no longer need a nuclear weapon for safety...just lots of drones, missiles and mines specifically designed to enable them to close the straights.

It looks like things are turning into a total mess. Other countries might get pulled into it - because it is now damaging energy sites all over the Middle East, which would be much worse than just chocking 20% of the worlds oil supply.

Operation Epic Fail.

So much winning!

So the rationale to Iran might be lets just keep this up as long as possible. Even if Israel and the US stop attacking them, they might decide to keep the straights closed, the calculus being they can inflict so much financial pain on the the US and the world at large...that no one would dare attack them like this again and not only that, the American's will be held to blame for by most of the rest of the world every bit as much as Iran are.

No. Liberals have introduced irrational behaviour in this conflict (starting the conflict was irrational) It changes a lot of thing. It is very funny, while the Iranians are registered as muslim nut-jobs, they have been the ones acting rationally.

On the ground, they will look for normalisation of international relationship with as many countries as possible if the conflict reaches its end. Confirming their status as a rational partner and agent. Which is another reason the US and liberal Israel can not afford the regime not to change.

This is like court - NO one has the actual facts and it is all bullshit...............

Iran can't militarily defeat the US or even Israel. It's an absurd possibility...

No shit Sherlock....that is why I specifically said that it is an improbable scenario...... however it is about the only way to get "some" kind of answer from you as to who you might possibly support in this war, because getting that information out of you seems to be impossible, it's like you are almost too scared to voice an opinion on who you support in this war, and I don't understand why...

Besides Rooinek, nobody else seems to want to say who they support in this war and why.

You are all very clear and adamant about who you support in the Ukraine / Russia war, but are extremely reluctant or hesitant to say the same about who you support in the US / Iran war.....it's not a difficult question.

"it's not a difficult question."

No, it's not, but I believe I've answered you three times already.

I support Ukraine against Russia.

I don't support either the USA or Iran in Bozo's war.

Look, think of it this way . . . when the Sharks are playing a game of rugby against the Stompies, I support the Sharks.

When the Crusaders are playing the Brumbies, I really couldn't care.

Why should I?

Edit: PS Hegsuck would captain the Crusaders. A weak, grovelling, religious zealot . . . I mean really, when the guy has the Jerusalem Cross tattooed across his body that should be some kind of red flag to someone with a bit of sanity, right? He's getting to lead his Crusade.

No shit Sherlock....that is why I specifically said that it is an improbable scenario...... however it is about the only way to get "some" kind of answer from you as to who you might possibly support in this war, because getting that information out of you seems to be impossible, it's like you are almost too scared to voice an opinion on who you support in this war, and I don't understand why...

Besides Rooinek, nobody else seems to want to say who they support in this war and why.

You are all very clear and adamant about who you support in the Ukraine / Russia war, but are extremely reluctant or hesitant to say the same about who you support in the US / Iran war.....it's not a difficult question.

I'm not reluctant to answer nor do I find it a difficult question, I just thought it would be obvious that I support neither side at this point You're presenting at the situation as if people have only two options to choose from America or Iran when people don't have to support either.

Lol.... ok Stav

You say this war should never have been started, so I would assume that means that you are against the USA for starting it.... just like you are against Russia for starting the war with Ukraine....

There are absolutely no differences here.....

You constantly complain about Putin for starting this unnecessary war with Ukraine, and you openly support Ukraine in that war

You constantly complain about Trump for starting this unnecessary war with Iran ... but you support neither side ...lol, ok

It's not that complicated

You are so outspoken about the support for Ukraine, but you just can't find it in you to provide an answer to who you support in the USA vs Iran war... and you support neither side.... got it

No, it's not, but I believe I've answered you three times already.

I think I made it quite clear in my post that I wasn't talking to you

Sorry, my mistake.

Lol.... ok Stav

You say this war should never have been started, so I would assume that means that you are against the USA for starting it.... just like you are against Russia for starting the war with Ukraine....

There are absolutely no differences here.....

You constantly complain about Putin for starting this unnecessary war with Ukraine, and you openly support Ukraine in that war

You constantly complain about Trump for starting this unnecessary war with Iran ... but you support neither side ...lol, ok

It's not that complicated

You are so outspoken about the support for Ukraine, but you just can't find it in you to provide an answer to who you support in the USA vs Iran war... and you support neither side.... got it

I can't understand how you can't tell why the Russia-Ukraine war is different to this America/Israel-Iran war or why would think this is complicated or that there is any contradiction in my views.

Both Russia and the US/Israel started unprovoked illegal wars...the fundamental difference is between the nature of the regimes in Ukraine and Iran, Ukraine was a completely innocent party, it wasn't a threat to anyone, it wasn't funding and supporting terrorist groups, it wasn't supressing and terrorising it's own people (at least not under the Zelenskyy regime and other non pro Russian leader) . The Iranian regime on the other hand are a bunch of murderous thugs...I've no support for them and won't shed a single tear for them if they are wiped out, the problem being I don't think you can wipe them without there being worse and worse consequences as you try to do so. It's also fundamentally in Europe's interest that Ukraine is not defeated, a protracted war with Iran on the other hand is not in Europe's interests, nor is getting involved in the fighting. Hence that's why I support Ukraine and support neither side in the Iran conflict.

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