John F Kennedy's remarkable statement

I saw this speech on a clip. How what he said is now in full flight.

There were several red-herrings around JFK's assassination and each different one is believed by somebody...it was a successful smokescreen.

What I believe is that JFK wanted to withdraw from Vietnam, although he was clever enough to just say he wanted to resolve it.

He no doubt knew the implications on blatantly saying it outright but I'm certain withdrawal was on a secret agenda.

Vietnam was profitable to big industrialists in steel industry, the manufacture of miltary crafts and weapons and many other related industries. 

I suspect, that LBJ and CIA were involved.

The Lee Harvey Oswald theory does not make sense, neither the rifle planted (he was just a pawn and set up and the accuracy at such position and angle...just another red-herring, pawn and scapegoat...an ideal one as he had USSR loyalty and affiliations with it....a type of story that the masses of USA could easily swallow...and they did.

The truth will never be known .

It was a very professional job...no room for error. There was a very noticeable absence of security (police and military) around Dallas that terrible day. 

Seb

There was a book written in the 1930's called the Captains and the Kings,     Read that book and then see what likely happened to Kennedy,    The scam ensnared Robert Kennedy as well.   He knew what JFK knew about the scam he referred to above and it would have been too dangerous for the  plotters,     Must be a real first - the assassination fo two Brothers 5 years apart.    

I can remember the news about Kenned in 1964 - was working in Bellville at the time.    It was a scam and that is what is clear.   Why would a mafia member kill the assassin in the presence of the Police?     Too weird for words.          

The trouble is Mike, such a dastardy deed on such a popular leader leads to much speculation and conspiracy theories most of which are manipulated lies and propaganda. The real truth is nobody, at least the ordinary man never knows, let alone the inner circle.

Several things stand out however.

1)  Oswald never fired the shots.

2) Oswald was in the book depository at the time, he was seen (and arrested) in the buildings caferteria drinking a coke, hardly a reaction and behaviour of a man that had recently fired several shots at the most powerful man in the world, not knowing if the shots were fatal or not.

3) The rifle used was inadequate for such a task, it was a bolt action and it was demonstrated afterwards by military expert marksmen, that so many accurate shots finding a moving target at such an angle were virtually impossible. Oswald was an above average markman in the army but such a task was beyond his ability let alone the very best.

4) The rifle had been hidden in the book depository building in Dallas before hand.

5) The shots that hit JFK were at a different angle, almost level. The forensic report was not available to public and kept under "lock and key" in security files for 40 years.

6) Virtually no police and security presence in Dallas that day...why?

7) Oswald was a pawn, an ideal one, been in USSR, married to a Belarussian woman with his past  record. He probably was deceived and manipulated and paid off to set off a false trail unwittingly...he was not very bright

8) It was an action that could not afford any error and was done professionally.

9) Suspicious men were seen behind a fence/hedge overlooking the motorcade's route prior to the shootings. Some witnesses claimed to hear shots coming coming from that location.

10) Jack Ruby (who shot Oswald) was part of the "game" plot. That too set off a false dir ection.

11) The false story invented and fabricated was easy to digest for the average man in the USA...with all the reigning fear and hatred for the USSR, a communist union of Soviet states, which they associated generally with "Russians"

12) Mafia, not likely...what had they really to gain, they knew who would replace Kennedy, LBJ was hardly ideal for them.

13) JFK, no doubt wanted to phase out 'Nam.

14) JFK was at loggerheads with US Steel...roll down in early sixties.

15) According to my wife, who was not born then, the consensus of the Russian informed  is that they definitely were not involved...certainly not, absolutely senseless...the KGB knew the plot but had nothing to do with it. Such involvement could change the Cold War into a Nuclear one.

There was just one little problem involving the Mafia angle.    Kennedy's father made his money out of liquor smuggling when liquor was banned in the USA - the other main smugglers were the Mafia.   

In the 1960 election  the Mafia helped him in Chicago to win the presidential election.   The Mafia does not like turncoats and when Kennedy instructed his brother to act against the Mafia  he was regarded as a traitor by them and that was also a factor to be borne in mind.

What happened subsequently is also interesting.   LBJ was before the present era of DP leaders the most corrupt President ever.   That was about to come out in the 1968 election and he did not stand for re-election.   At this stage corruption is the norm amongst all the Democratic Party leaders - who use the same method the Mafia used to use and that is to get the Police and Justice Department to not act against the corrupt politicians.   In SA we call it State Capture  and that is exactly what happened since 2008 in the USA.     

The magic bullet anyone?

Most of us here have hunted and worked the kill after. 

Well all know what a bullet looks like after it strikes bone. How about a bullet that strikes and ricochets off multiple bones?

There was guy some years back that offered a reward to anyone that could fire a similar caliber round at bone, with the bullet being left in a similar or better condition than the magic bullet from the JFK assassination.

Yes, you guessed it, despite the reward being substantial, nobody managed to claim it.

I don't know why JFK was killed or who did it, but the Warran Commission was a steaming pile of horse shit.

Mike on the Mafia angle, we all know the Mafia is a powerful adversary and insanely revengeful but not to this degree...this was huge and world wars have erupted out of far lesser assassinations, ie WW1...the arch duke. 

There had to have been more power behind it...CIA plus a government and huge industrial power...it simply could not have been a vendetta...it was world changing...these are all speculations with the help of Hollywoods images of mafia, ie the Godfathers etc but exaggerations.

As I said, no one really knows as much evidence as what has been logically put together. A huge red-herring with unansw ered questions. One that strikes me as very odd, why were forensic reports and photographs of the head wounds not disclosed. Together with the absence of security that one expects from a man so important on the visited to Texas capital, where Kennedy "did not rule supreme".

On the supposed rifle, the one "found" was indeed one that Oswald owned. It was an Italian make, WW2 with telescopic sights but that too could have been faked and manipulated in lieu of the seriousness and severity of the plot and power such mastermindness behind it...as I said it was a professional job...there was no room for error.

Just two days after he was arrested, Oswald was being transported from a city jail to a county jail when Jack Ruby, a nightclub owner, fatally shot him. That was in full view of cameras that were broadcasting live. Lee Harvey Oswald was a U.S. Marine who had been honorably discharged. Scoring slightly above the requirements for the designation of sharpshooter, the second lowest grade of marksmanship one can earn, he then later scored a lower score and was downgraded to a marksman, which is the lowest. So all in all, he didn’t have great skills at handling firearms. He was court-martialed after accidentally shooting himself in the elbow with an unauthorized handgun. He was demoted from private first class to private and was later court-martialed again for inexplicably firing his rifle into the jungle while on night duty in the Philippines. If he was exceptionally good at handling guns, he would have been ranked much higher than he had been. Take into account, that the gun used was a Mannlicher-Carcano surplus Italian military rifle with a scope, which means that Oswald would’ve had to reposition the gun after each shot (he shot three bullets) because of the scope and the moving motorcade. But all of the shots were within six seconds of each other, so he wouldn’t have had time, especially with his firearm skills, which leads up to the next thing; the placement of Oswald when he supposedly shot JFK. There have been countless witnesses that say that they saw the first bullet come at Kennedy from the front, which would have been basically impossible for Oswald to shoot because he was placed in the wrong angle to hit him from the front. To further investigate, a group of experts were hired to recreate the assassination and they couldn’t do it because the shots are virtually impossible to make from where Oswald was and his experience/knowledge with guns and the type of gun he supposedly used. Also, the car that Kennedy was shot in, just three days later was cleaned and fixed before forensics could even look through it for evidence. After Oswald was killed, when his body was in the morgue, the FBI actually came to the morgue and spent hours there. Then about an hour after they left, the police proclaimed that Oswald’s fingerprints were on the gun. To be continued ... Bailee Jones is a senior at Tunkhannock Area High School. Student columns are published Wednesdays during the school year. Bailee Jones Tunkhannock Area S.D. news

Seb, everyone has a theory and you're right, we'll never know the truth. My question is, if Oswald was a patsy, totally innocent, why then did he shoot and kill the officer who tried to arrest him?

I asked myself that question as well and I think the answer is quite simple. By this time he realised that he had been framed and used and was in desperate fear. He distrusted USA government/legal system immensely and knew he was doomed. Furthermore, I surmise he had been offered and promised some reward, either in money and forged documents to escape to some refuge country of communist rule, there were plenty, Cuba and a host of South American countries where he would escape. Not the brightest pebble on the beach and easily dubed. He was in financial str aits as well. There could be a variety of reasons. I'm just surmising but shooting a police officer would not have worried him. 

He was an unstable character as well...an attitude of a cornered animal and took the do or die road . These types do when cornered. Impulsive preservation.

Beeno I don't dispute the coming into fruition of a one world government and the possibility that it had preliminary rumblings,even as far back as 1914. I sincerely believe in the prophecies of scripture and it's indisputable accuracies of events unfolding today, that for me is not even debatable.

The "birth pangs" so to speak are just signs, but the manestification of the real "thing" has yet to be born. Hitler and his party were thought to be the real thing, but his goal was vastly different. He wanted one world government under himself as a god, to rule for 1000 years but his strategy was conquering and unification under National socialism.

JFK was a democrat but nevertheless an intelligent man, good leader and hailed from a powerful family that played both sides of the coin. Yes, he knew a lot but I suspect that his interests were of power for USA and patriotism but with a taint of liberalism, strangely not dissimilar to many republicans caught between the 2 extremes today.

 Nevertheless he was a strong leader, in his case he was the one that wagged the tail, not the other way round as today when the tail (the party or parties) are the "dog" .

He was rich and powerful as well, which could easily become part of the "Global Elite" to rule.

My question is, would he reveal such agendas if he indeed was involved ???

I think not.

Well Seb, to a point you seem to agree with me, Oswald was involved with the assassination to some extent so one cannot rule out that he pulled the trigger. But again, no-one knows for sure so best we say he was involved. The fact that he killed an officer who tried to arrest him tells me he had something to hide and was desperate to avoid arrest. I question why he carried a hand gun on that particular day.