Mozart - a question to youi

The story of the 2016 election was that many voters who never voted because both the Democrats and Republicans made oodles of promises during election canvassing - which they never kept.   Fact is they id the exact opposite to what they promised to do and the working class suffered as a result.  They did not care to vote for the opposing party - because both were similarly bad 

That brings me to the latest debates between Democratic Candidates.   All of them - bar perhaps Biden - has a socialist approach of extreme left wing nature - Lenin, Castro and Mao Zedong would have been proud of them.   They want to tax the wealthy out of existence and everything must be free.  No budget as to where the money will come from -but it is clear that they want open borders - free medical treatment by all - free  University education - and the famous New Green Deal.

All of that will cost Trillions.

The problem is that it may scare off commercial contributors to election funding for them and chances are they will not get elected in 2020. 

So - my question is - if a Democrat is elected as President in 2020  will they do he ordinary and just igore what he promised the electorate?     

“The story of the 2016 election was that many voters who never voted because both the Democrats and Republicans made oodles of promises during election canvassing - which they never kept.  “

Are you 100 sure you wouldn’t want to rethink that remark.

For the sake of avoiding another endless back and forth, let me explain. 

You said that both the Dems and Reps made promises which they never kept, right?

The Dems (Hillary) lost the election. So there is no way in hell they (she) would have been able to stick to any campaign promises. 

The Republicans ( Trump) won and he is probably the first President in decades who actually stuck to his campaign promises. That is despite his predecessor telling him that most of them were impossible.

These were some of Trump’s campaign promises that Obama laughed at:

Growth of the economy. He said Trump’s goals will never happen. Trump exceeded his own goals.

Bringing back manufacturing jobs to America. Obama told the Americans that those jobs were gone and they were not coming back in any way. “Live with it”, he said. 

North Korea. Trump was told to forget it. Nobody has been able to bring Kim Jong Un, or his old man for that matter, to the negotiating table. He was told that he would never be able to get through to Kim. Well, yesterday, after all the he has already achieved regarding NK, Trump went a step further. He met Kim Jong Un for a third time, in the DMZ and then, just for the hell of it, he also became the first American president to set foot into NK.

And the list goes on.

Your question about any of the Dem candidates winning. That is surely a daunting prospect, IMO. Given the latest strangle hold of the far left on the Dem leadership, it would be very very hard for any 2020 Dem election winner to negate on his/her campaign promises. 

Imagine winning the 2020 election as a Dem and then trying to keep up with what Trump started, economy wise, while also trying to execute the Green New Deal. Sounds a lot like leaning out of a train window at full speed and spitting against the wind. No way your not going to be hit in the face by your own snot.

Mike you post a lot of sense regarding US politics but there still one thing you do not have a firm grasp of.

What is the end game here? Why do you think that in Europe and in the USA there is open borders going on.

Why do you think the EU wants a United States of Europe, an EU Army and a EU Parliament supplanting national parliaments etc. Why do they say nationalism/Populism is such an evil thing and the big evil.

Hussein Obummer also was all about putting other countries first. 

Why has there been a deliberate effort to destroy the nation states of Europe and America. 

In Europe there has been a mass invasion going on against any sane reason. Democracy has been weakened by widespread censorship as in the USA. The economies are struggling and again I read the other day Germany is battling to avoid going into recession. 

Why was the national debt doubled under Obummer (10 to 2o trillion dollars) Why the massive over regulation (as in the EU). 

Why no energy indepence in the USA before Trump so that billions went to Russia and Muslim ME countries. 

One day I hope you fully grasp the fact that there is  a very powerful globalist establishment working hard to force nation states to surender sovereignty to supra national bodies as building blocks towards a one world government they dominate and control down to your very thoughtlife. 

A great proof of this is how their media parrot all their policy points all around the world. 

In fact you have to be brain dead not to see that the same cabal  have been ruling both Europe and the USA. THEY ARE IDENTICAL. Of course until Trump came along and upset the apple art.

The hatred of Trump is not about anything else but his destroying the Globalist world order they have spent decades erecting. 

Trump has inspired freedom loving people all over the world to rise up with spectacular results. 

 The fight today is not essentially about left and right its about Nationalist versus Globalism. 

Consider how members of both Labour and Tories have joined the anti Globalist Brexit party. That type of coalition exists also in the ruling Italian coalition and elsewhere. 

Patriots see that the Globalist seek nothing less than the destruction of their countries. 

By the way Mike former billionaire donors to the GOP (NOW TRUMP'S PARTY APART FROM A FEW REMAING RINOS) the Koch Brothers have switched to the demorats as they want open borders and say as much. 

Key policicy agenders of the globalists -

Bring the country down economically (includes high taxes, over regulation, green new deal and man made climate change hoax etc) 

Import voters and change the culture and values. Feeds into economic ruination as well as into security issues. The mantra is diversity and multiculturalism. They talk about inclusivity but that only includes people who agree with them. Pocohontas Warren is now calling on big Tech to ban conservative voices) ) 

Destroy Judeo Christian values and undermine the moral base. Support LGBT and pedophilia. 

Be weak on law and order and undermine justice itself. Support groups like Antifa that operate in the USA and EU. 

Take over the schools, media and entertainment. 

Supress free speech

Disarm the populace. (they are trying this in NZ as well) 

Teach the kids to hate the flag, their history and the country itself so they want lift a finger to defend it. 

Encourage abortion, homosexuality, lesbianism to ensure not enough babies are born. Then import ans many third world and Muslims in to cause mayhem and cost a fortune to the ever more demoralized taxpayers. 

Put the interest of other countries before your own and ship jobs and wealth overseas. 

Eventually the people don't care and will accept anything the global elites tell them. 

Man I could go on and on. 

But whatever undermines the nation state that's what they are about these globalists. 

Oh yes how about the role of the UN - surrendering sovereignty regarding you ability to make your laws. (International Criminal court in Hague) Or the human right to migrate so you can't keep control of your borders. Or climate change treaty where you lose control of your economy.  Trump got the USA out of all those bodies. Not going to allow globalists to control the USA! 

I am curious where Moz stands on this. 

Moz gets it right about so many things but is quiet on this issue for some reason.

It is the big issue. 

Ceradunce

Do you understand English at all?   The issue with voters turning up in millions top vote for Trump was he promised he would implement what he undertook to do - something which the Bishes, Clinton and Obama did NOT do for 2 years.

Clinton was the establishment candidate set out to do exactly what the political establishment in the past did.  Even part of the Republican Establishment was against Trump and actively campaigned against him - the Bushes and McCain for example.    

Ceradunce

Do you understand English at all?   The issue with voters turning up in millions top vote for Trump was he promised he would implement what he undertook to do - something which the Bishes, Clinton and Obama did NOT do for 2 years.

Clinton was the establishment candidate set out to do exactly what the political establishment in the past did.  Even part of the Republican Establishment was against Trump and actively campaigned against him - the Bushes and McCain for example.    

Thanks Mozart

Thanks Mozart

Beeno 

Di and read the Book Captains and the Kings - maybe you would then understand better what has been going on for more than a century,   You are new to your understanding of the game.   They used the same tricks before and heled the Communists to take over Russia in 1917 and destroy Germany and when Hitler came on top a New World War was inevitable - he was a real threat. 

Then they helped Stalin surviving and when he died they lost out a bit  of control they had over Russia and when Reagan, Kohl and Thatcher put a stop to funding the USSR collapsed.  Then the New World order was designed to take shape in the form you say it is, at present.   Not a New World Order -  just a repeat of what they always wanted.   

What Trump and his supporters still fail to understand is that it is Trump himself that is the problem. I have said it before and I'll say it again, his administration's policies are not bad, and if one removes all the clutter, they are good for America...though probably not for the rest of the world. But that aside, he needs to win over the American people, and that is where he falls short. He keeps alienating a large portion of the electorate. To many he is arrogant and offensive, and if his advisers were worth their salt, they'd identify this issue and remedy it. But I think therein lies the actual issue. He is an arrogant man, like him or not, and it is that arrogance that has gotten him to where he is today, but it is also that arrogance that renders him a very divisive individual. Also, and this is just speculation on my part, I think he operates somewhat autonomously. By that I mean, his decision taking may give the illusion of being part of a collective, but I am quite sure those surrounding him are mere yes men. As a result of that, many of those around him dare not go against him or advise him on truths he does not want to hear. I say that because of the large number of people that have been very close to him, that have either been given the boot, or have turned against him. 

The long and the short of what I am saying is, a lot of people would vote for his policies, but they don't want to vote for him.   

“What Trump and his supporters still fail to understand is that it is Trump himself that is the problem. “

One hundred percent wrong. Before Donald Trump ran for president, he was the darling of the media. Had he run for the Dems, he would still have been the darling of the media, and this is not that far fetched. He could easily have run for the Dems. 

He is not a die hard Republican. He did not even run on a Republican “manifesto”, if there was something like that. He ran on a purely Trump manifesto. He ran on typical Trump issues that he has been saying since the eighties. Go check. There are numerous clips of interviews on YouTube, where he was advocating the same things about trade with, among others, Japan and China that he has been saying even during this past G20 summit.

Fact is that Japan and China don’t even disagree with him. I watched his entire press conference after the  summit. Do yourself a favour and watch it.

He talked about the imbalanced trade with the two countries. When he asked them how it happened that it became so imbalanced and why they never agreed with his predecessors to address it, like they are agreeing with him, they both told him that nobody queried it before. They just accepted it and they, Japan and China, just gradually tipped the scale and carried on doing so because no one queried it.

The idea that everybody hates Trump is MSM BS. When he launched his 2020 campaign the venue could hold 20,000 people. They had to turn away 100,000 applications for tickets. The Dem candidates cannot fill match boxes for rallies. They speak to people in restaurants and school halls. Beto jumps on restaurant tables and start waving his arms like a windmill. 

Listen to Ted Koppel telling Brian Stelter the truth.

Trump is overly arrogant, and aggressive, and so full of himself...….. but I completely agree with a lot of what he is doing...…. play the dominant role...… then change tact and play the good guy role...…… then give praise to the person you are wanting to business with......give ultimatums that you know you can back up...….

What he has done with North Korea is brilliant, and he did it his own way...… who can forget "Rocket Man"

Tehran are pushing back against Trump, even threatening the US, but it would be incredibly dumb to go any further

Obama couldn't achieve in 2 terms, what Trump has done in less than 1 term.

I don't fancy or agree with some things he does, or how he does them..... but man...… he gets a shit load right

"Then the fact that he is teetering on losing the 2020 election must rest entirely on the fact that Americans are too stupid to see past the leftists media then. "

You say that based on........? The 2020 campaign has only just started. The election is 16 months away. There is not even a vague indication of who his opponent will be. None whatsoever. They are all, at this stage, still jockeying to try and win the favour of the extreme left wingers within the Dems and then they still have to try and figure out how to win back the large portions of black support that they have lost following the 2016 election. To do that, they have to prove to them that they are worst off since Trump, that they did not really enjoy a drastic reduction in black unemployment. They have to convince blacks that there was no prison reform under Trump, that Trump has done nothing to give ex-convict a second chance, that Trump's second chance initiative was a hoax, a stunt pulled off by the right wing media. Should I go on about the returning of manufacturing jobs, the economy, etc, etc. 

"Considering all the lies the leftist media is spreading, I see very little suing for slander etc going on. "

He is too busy fixing the US, and he don't need to sue them. They have been shooting themselves in the foot all along. Their lies have been exposed and just wait until Horowitz' and Durham's reports come out. The left wing media has had their fair share of lying all along but they are starting to feel the pain. They are slowly being forced to back track on a hell of a lot of their shyte. 

" I'm being a sarcastic asshole, but I am trying to make the point that all Trump's woes can't be blamed on the mainstream media.  "

What woes? The fact that he is sticking to his campaign promises and winning support for it? The fact that he is busy restoring the respect of the international community for the USA? All of what I mentioned above?

The world was on his case about NATO. The media lied about his views of NATO. They said that he was against NATO and that he wanted to disband it. He then came in and pressed the NATO members to rethink their own attitude towards NATO, and what happened? He is now the hero of the leadership of NATO because, due to Trump they have more money available to fulfil their commitments, than ever before.

He was accused, by the left and the media, that he didn't care for the planet because of his stance about the Paris Agreement and what happened? America has the cleanest air in decades, despite no longer being in he Paris Agreement. 

The media and the lefties shat themselves over his idea to revisit NAFTA. Now they have a brand new trade deal between the three countries that Mexico and Canada cannot wait to sign. It is a massive win win situation for all three countries. The only problem is that the USA House, with Speaker Delusional Nancy Pelosi at the helm, won't bring it to the table for a vote just to spite Trump. A vote that will certainly pass due to massive bipartisan support.

Should I carry on?

"There is also a fair deal of American media that supports him. "

Such as Fox and the Washington Examiner and who else?

"The bottom line is you need look only at verifiable things he has said and tweeted to understand that he says stupid things that many people don't like. "

The people don't care about the "stupid things" he say or have said. They care about his announcements that he tweets out and they care about the things that he do. That's it. The only ones who care about the "stupid things" are the Dems and the left wing media. And even so, I doubt if it really bothers them because, if anything, they see it as new "ammo" they can use against him. The only problem for them, is that they have not yet realised how often his tweets are actually only him trolling them. 

He is a master at trolling them. Just like he did again with Jim Acosta this weekend during his lengthy press conference following the G20 summit. He was suddenly very "nice" towards Jim and, out of the blue he congratulated Jim on his new book and asked him how it was doing, knowing full well that Jim either had to admit that it was doing shyte, or lie and say that it was doing great. He chose the latter. If you want to have a laugh, then go onto Acosta's Twitter feed and see how many positive, if any, responses you can find about his book. 

"He needs to be trying to charm the American public, not offending large parts of it. "

They do not need to be charmed. They need their lives to be improved. They already realised that they fell for a charming president the last time around, and where did that bring them?

"Lastly, just because I say something negative about Trump, does not automatically mean I am wrong.    "

I did not say that you were wrong because you said something negative about Trump. I said that you were wrong because you were wrong, IMO.

The trouble with bluebok is that he is getting it wrong these days as much as rooitwit and sharktwit which is as bad as it gets around here. 

Bluebok needs to understand that he is a product of the brain washing of the globalist MSM. 

But there are a vast array of media very hostile to globalist BS. He doesn't need to be an ignorant globalist dupe. 

Trump is proving to be the greatest ever US President and the most consequential. 

His has a great personality. Anybody thinking otherwise is sucking hard on the globalist propaganda teat. 

No he is not Hitler or anti semetic. Anti semitism lives in the demonrat party. They lie about his character and even his sanity. 

Basically the scumbags have attempted a coup and will say anything to smear Trump and get him removed. 

However this TDS has caused them to lie and thus the tanking of CNN. etc. 

Bluebok simply has no clue whatsoever as per usual. 

Listen to your betters bluebok and learn. 

The MSM media and the left have been saying that a wall is not needed and that the American people don’t want it. Really? Then tell us which part of the people who don’t want a wall, chipped in to crowd fund it. 

Do these liberal nutters think open borders is the way to go and giving illegal aliens free Healthcare and other social benefits are the way to go. Ie just how daft are they Moz 

If the demorats won and they started increasing taxes, increasing regulation, clamping down on US energy etc etc you see a collapse of monumental proportions.

Can't believe people could be that stupid.

Then you have the absurd Demorat policies. Unbelievable BS.