MUST SEE… New Italian Leader Giorgia Meloni’s Speech Against New World Order: “They attack national identity, they attack religious identity, they attack gender identity, they attack family identity”

Whew this woman is a force of nature and does she just nail it.

Take a look at her in action. No wonder her party has risen like a rocket in the last 4 years.

Giorgia Meloni

Loved her speech.... flipping the sheets of paper around as pressed her points home. 

The Italians are huge on Familia.... I visited some time ago and Sunday afternoon was family food and celebration. Celebration of life. 

The only reason the far right is getting in is that the left, centre and moderate right is not doing enough to prevent illegal immigrants, and not rejecting asylum seekers.

Most people could not care less about other people's religious or gender identity. 

The far-right is made up of  Nazis that want to impose their own values on everyone else. 

You do not know what left and rigght in politics mean.    Let em explain to you what the situation rally is.   None of the parties you refer to far right are center-right - there is very few meoderate leftists left - they are all on the extreme left  

You should look at the legislation proposed by the Trump Administration - none of it were far-right - all of it aimed at improving conditions for everybody.    The Demcopratic Party never bothered the hugely outdated legislation on prisons - through the Clinton and Obama Presidency and never even considered during the Bush presidencies.    It was clear that the legislation did cause massive prison problems and that review was necessary.    The legislation was so widely supported that the moaning Democrats could not stop it.   That was just one of many examples of moderate approach to help all the people in the country.

The divisiveness in the country is the far leftists - their legislation is so outrageous that the legal advisors regard it as unconstitutional and even the Carter Foundation opposed it because it is legalizing election fraud.   Their usage of the FBI to undermine lawful  opposition to them and their incitement and organization and funding of riots in cities all over the USA indicates an anarchist and extremely leftist ideology.   So is the criminal protection and open border policies of the Democrats.    The latest agitation to destroy family life is at the center of the  Democratic Party agenda.   For that they do not mind using Stalinist methods.   The usage of children to accuse their parents caused millions of people to lose their lives under Stalin and the idea to use children to inform on their parents is plainly dictatorial/    

The far-left will always accuse opponents as Nazi's and being far-right.- irrespective of heir opposing moderate viewpoints.                        

Your only fetish os religion - which in practical terms means nothing - reminds me of 13th cnetury thinking on your part.   Religion at present has o real political clout - accept in dictatorships where people oppression is fought through religion.- so is that the reason for your hatred of religion -it could stop the world dictatorship you obviously believe in.

You do not know what left and rigght in politics mean.    Let em explain to you what the situation rally is.   None of the parties you refer to far right are center-right - there is very few meoderate leftists left - they are all on the extreme left  

You should look at the legislation proposed by the Trump Administration - none of it were far-right - all of it aimed at improving conditions for everybody.    The Demcopratic Party never bothered the hugely outdated legislation - through the Clinton and Obama Presidency and enver eve considered during the Bush presidencies.    It was clear that the legislation did cause massive prison problems and that review was necessary,   The legislation was so wideely supporte that the moaning Democrats could not stop it.   That was just one of many examples of moderate approach to help all the people i the country.

The divisiveness in the country is the far leftists - their legislation is so outrageous that the legal advisors regard it as unconstitutional and even the Carter Foundation opposed it because it is legalizing election fraud.   Their usage of the FBI to undermine lawful  opposition to them and their incitement and organization and funding of riots in cities all over the USA indicates an anarchist and extremely leftist ideology,              

More drivel DumbMike.

You dont decide what left or right is. No one person does. 

It is determined by the statistical average of values at a particular time by everyone. 

If you pass moderate legislation it indicates a moderate value system - if you try to pass unconstitutional legislation it indicates reactionary values.   That is the key to identification of value-systems in Government.    

Most Governments in the world in democratic countries are either center-left or center-right. indicating corresponding value systems.   The far leftists pass reactionary legislation and when anybody opposes them the shouted the opponents are far-right.    That is what happen in the newspapers at present.   

The Division in for instance  in the USA is caused by the Demcoratic Party and the idiotic Biden who calls everyone opposed to him " Domestic Terrorists" and incite people to commit violence against any opposition to them.       

"So, it is not something that can be fixed, a bit like a broken calculator. "

You probably broke the darn thing. Please stay away from anything  number related and please use your Num Lock for your keyboard ...you might cause a ELE if you stray too close to your num pad.

Finally an Italian who is a proud and wants to take her country back from the weak and corrupt parties and faggots that have plagued Italy since WW2.

Go lady....

Finally an Italian who is a proud and wants to take her country back from the weak and corrupt parties and faggots that have plagued Italy since WW2.

By taking Italy back to type of government that ran Italy so well during WW2?

A far-right or far-left government will always fail. They will just cause division in society.

Moderate is the way to go, but they need to listen to the population and block asylum seekers and third-world style of people.

Sure it is less humane, but a government has to look after their own population first and foremost.

Stav

What you wrote is exactly what the Democrats try to do in the USA and far-leftist try to achieve worldwide - namely dictatorial Governments controlled by ruthless politicians and bureaucrats - without any regard to the interest of ordinary people.   That is why Stalinist and Maoist ideology is so attractive to them.    They want to destroy family life by spreading hatred of parents and other family members in schools.   In Stalinist Russia it resulted in millions of people being killed or staRved to death in slave camps based on stories children spread in schools.    

In countries like the USA the ultra-leftists spread hate and incite violence against their opponents.    You only have to read speeches by for instance the puppet president to realize how bad that hate-spreading and incitement of violence has gone  in the USA.    Just think about the murders of political opponents and attempted murder attacks on opposition candidates and people taking place in the USA recently.  You apparently have not heard the speech of Schumer in which he openly incite people to murder judges and about how a person was brought from California  and provided with arms to murder one of the judges.    

Do you want to live in a world where hatred of ordinary citizens is the norm?                       

I don't know anything about Italian politics,  but it's rather improbable that far right neo Nazis can be voted into power...probably just labeled such by the far left.?

What I'm hearing so far is classic conservative values - religion, family, country. Nothing wrong with that, as long as freedom of religion is included.

As Neil Oliver opined - we'll just have to wait and see what they do, whether they build on those values to effect positive change or slip into the dark side .

Anything that is not left wing must certainly be akin to Hitler or Mussolini.

I’m embarrassed for you, Stav.

Tut tut...I'm pretty sure not so long ago you said I was making assumptions about your political views and opinions.

And I couldn't care two fig leafs if you're embarrassed for me.

…we’ll that’s exactly it, Pakie.....

As for this diatribe, this is why its so hard to have political discourse when one side completely misrepresents the other sides position.

...so you're not going to admit you're a hypocrite?

Unlike you I won't dodge the question, yes I referring to Mussolini.

And not it not because I consider patriotism to be fascist or racist.

Though to quote Oscar Wilde

Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious.

People on the left of politics, or in the center or on the right can be patriotic. And no side one of the political spectrum can claim ownership of patriotism. Its not a shield one side can yield and say if you don't agree with me you're not a patriot. Criticism of ones country is not necessarily unpatriotic if the criticism is made  from a desire of wanting your country to be a better country (and people are free to disagree on how to achieve that). For example in the UK some in the UK government and elements of the right wing media who support them have framed criticism of the UK's government policies as "talking the country down".  Conflating criticism of the government as criticism of the country. That I feel is dangerous.

Patriotism can be yielded for both good and bad. Right now in Ukraine I'm sure no doubt Ukrainian soldiers are being told they are doing their patriotic duty in defending Ukraine. In Russia they are likely telling the newly mobilized conscripts they are also doing their patriotic duty by going to fight in Ukraine.

When it comes to claims of preserving identity. Now we are getting into the ball park of racism but still not necessarily all the way there. You can be worried about a country or region losing its cultural identity and not be a racist, though if you are racist your almost certainly likely to hold that view.

And absolutely you can have a view different from my own and not be a racist or a fascist.

Holding conservative views such as being anti abortion or being anti immigration doesn't make you a racist or a fascist (though being anti immigration is a view you would likely share with a racist). There can be some overlap in views between conservatives and fascists but there is still a very wide chasm between being conservative/right wing and being fascist.

No what makes some someone or a political party fascist is when oh I say dunno say they have background of being the successor party to a neo-fascist political party founded by fascists from the Mussolini era, its party logo containing part its fascist predecessors logo, it's leaders praising Mussolini as a good leader, with other party partaking in fascist salutes and another member praising Hitler on social media, photos revealing several of its headquaters housing Nazi and Fascist memorabilia, the parties link to far right organizations including illicit financing from neo-nazi's based in Milan and it actively appealing to neo-facists on social media.

 What's that old saying, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck?

...similar to how communists are, and have been, emboldened by the left in recent decades?

You don't seem to have a problem with that though.

Examples?

Italy has actually had quite a long tradition of communist parties, but they haven't just been elected to power in Italy nor am I aware of them gaining power in any Western or western aligned countries.

Analysis of terrorist attacks in Europe between 2009 and 2020 showedd that while Islamic terrorism was by far and away the biggest threat, the number of people killed in terrorist attacks by right wing actors was almost 11 times higher than those killed by left wing actors.

You don't seem to have a problem with that though.

Not only are you not acknowledging you made inaccurate assumptions about my political views you're actually doing it again.

If you read George Orwell's Book Animal farm, it discusses communism.
Essentially that while Communism may be considered left-wing in theory, in practice it is far right-wing with a supreme. leader. (A king)

Authoritarianism is far right wing, whatever it is called. 

For example, in capitalism, a global monopoly is also far right-wing, authoritarianism. 

Stav

I read your comments with real interest - there is nothing fascist about loyalty to one's country or having religious beliefs  as long as religion is not used as a means to destroy human rights.    Destruction of family life was a relatively new development started in the USSR under Stalin.    Basically family life has been around since the start oof mankind and was the root of human existence.    The idea to destroy family life is a relatively new concept and has dictatorial aims.

The  fact is that what is now the aim of a better life for people and advocated by the media  is basically an unknown to most people.   How do the Utopia you and SB advocate be achieved and how will it guarantee a better life for everybody?     Will the changes be achieved in accordance with a democratic system and  how can people be sure that the world will be more democratic when it is achieved?

I am also quite amazed by the comments made as to Communism and Fascism.    Both Facsism and Communism has at its base Socialism as a foundation.    As SB said the result was that after WW2 a new description was invented - while the Government was based on the same principles the Fascism was  called right wing and Communism  leftwing.    Although both groups had the same ideology - they had one other thing in common and that is that to survive in Government the form of Government was to be dictatorial and oppressive with no free speech.   No Fascist or Communist regime will survive because the regimes would always fail because of an inherent deficiency.

That is Government by bureaucrats.    When the power rests with bureaucrats it is normally abusive since most bureaucrats are essentially interested  in their own well-being - to hell with the interest of the people in the country.    Take the recent Supreme Court decision in the USA as to abortion.    In the finding the one problem that was emphasized by the judges was that corruption in application ran wild.   So the Court ruling did not ban any abortions and ruled that there should be laws governing approved by the elected representatives of the voters approved by the legislature and not regulations dreamed up by unelected bureaucrats.   What happened next was an outcry based on nothing bar political lies,

So in essence Socialism  is what - is it leftwing or rightwing?   To my mind they are neither - they are basically a system that is essentially undemocratic and oppressive with a bureaucratic control being paramount.

As to Democracies the basic principle is to what level  adherence are to support of democratic principles.    That is where we part ways  -  news media claim that the Republicans are ultra-righting and the Democrats are the good guys and the Republicans the bad guys.    At this stage in the USA bureaucratic control  is strengthening and the Democrats  are in fact facilitating socialist principles and methodology - which essentially is endangering democracy and in fact some of their legislation is entirely attacks on the US constitution putting more power in the hands of unelected bureaucrats and less in the hands of the voters through their elected representatives.

I am not  right wing extremist - I support a centrist approach to everything political  and the present trend to call opponents nasty names based on half-baked theories is not acceptable.