.....Trump has finally decided to release the classified documents on Obama Gate. Apparently Steelers on record ass saying the reason he went after Trump was deflect from Clinton’s problems with evidence tampering.
Maybe the 50%of voters who went to the polls believing the flimsy Russian collusion story will finally catch a wake up.
It was BS, the whole Russian thing....sit tight.
Will not change a thing, people will believe what they want to no matter what side they take.
For an age when so much information is readily available we seem to be going through a time when most people are about as smart as a box of rocks.
Every day I am reading on here it's happening any day now just wait and see its all coming out, you know what I am still waiting for any of this shit to actually eventuate. How about you all fuck off with your idiotic conspiracies and explosive revelations that never eventuates I am still waiting for just one of you lot to come out and admit you got it wrong, you lot won' t as I stated before you don't give a fuck about facts you just like your own realities.
One day one of you morons will get close but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
At least the conspiracy king has gone quiet on they are locking Hillary up any day, only took the fool 3 years to give up on that one, in fact anyone else notice that he has disappeared without a trace after his god got his arse kicked and then impeached for a 2nd time?
"Is this Trumps last throw of the dice?"
He's had a few and then some.
‘ A trove of documents related to the origins of the "Russiagate" probe, the U.S. intelligence community’s widely scrutinized investigation of alleged collusion between members of the Trump administration and Russia, will be declassified on Friday, a Senate source with knowledge of the situation told Fox News.
The declassified documents will include depositions, transcripts and interviews, the Senate source told Fox News Chief White House Correspondent John Roberts. The release is expected to include hundreds of documents.’
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Feeling even more stupid now?
And John Solomon reports that law enforcement had information about the Capitol riots well before the event. It was widely shared, but incredibly Trump was not informed.
And here’s the gut punch. The FBI has apparently established the plans were in place 2 days before Trump’s speech. So his call to ’peacefully and patriotically protest’ for which he was impeached, never instigated the violence.
People who can still think for themselves, damn few of them left, are rightfully disgusted by this ‘snap impeachment’ which embarrasses the country.
Yeah yeah Yeah heard it time and time again from both sides and the success rate of all of you combined is ZERO.
I am waiting to something gets proven in a court of law before I will believe it . There may be something to what your saying this time but I don't give a fuck until its proven. I refuse to listen to anymore biased keyboard warriors who think they know state secrets while sitting in front of their computer nude in their mums basement wearing tin foil hats.
So can you explain how you choose which conspiracy theory you believe and which ones to rate as false news? Is it a coincidence you only believe the ones that tie in with your political leanings?
I am still waiting for anyone to come out and say they agree with a conspiracy theory that is against their political leanings.
How about in 2011 when that absolute loon Alex Jones was screaming from the rooftops about Epstein and his pedo plane that took pedos to pedo island.
How about in 2002 when conspiracy theorists said that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and that Bush was waging a war for profit?
How about in 1953, when the CIA sanctioned its mind control project? Was it two or three decades that witnesses and and conspiracy theorists told of the many drug induced torture sessions and suicides MK ULTRA caused?
Sader, nobody gives two shits about convincing you of anything. Nobody here, nor anywhere else in the world, owes you evidence of anything.
How about you be a big girl and look at history and what HAS already occurred. Then ask yourself at what exact point in history humans stopped conspiring for power, money and reach.
Kindly share that dat e with me when find it.
"I am still waiting for anyone to come out and say they agree with a conspiracy theory that is against their political leanings."
Here's one...
You've said that I'm ultra right-wing.
I've also declared numerous times in here that there are parts if Islam which I despise.
Yet, on numerous occasions, I've mentioned the conspiracy that lead to the slaughter of upwards of 500k innocent Iraqi citizens.
That was a war backed by both the left and the right.
"If you're not with us you're against us..."
...remember?
CFan, these Trumpanzees are so far gone that they can't concede that Bozo botched Covid-19, they see nothing wrong with his childish and bad-mannered name-calling, they honestly believe his bullshit about winning the election and they think Mike Pence is a traitor . . . do you really think these same brainwashed zealots are going to admit their idol incited the violence at the Capitol?
Well, in honesty, RooiTit, I saw something this week that was quite terrible and which Trump was involved with. That being the murder of the Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi inside the Turkish embassy and how Trump blocked the investigation into it. Also, how Trump's son in law was bailed out by Qatar.
Some months back I posted a full podcast from an economist that dissected Trump's economic strategies and why he thought they were bad. I believe I called it "Most coherent rebuttal to Trump' s presidency."
"they see nothing wrong with his childish and bad-mannered name-calling, "
Look who's talking!!!
LMAO!!!
How about in 2002 when conspiracy theorists said that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and that Bush was waging a war for profit?
That wasn't a conspiracy theory though, as in their was widespread mainstream belief around the world that Iraq was not involved in 9/11 and that the war in Iraq was more of a settling of a personal vendetta Bush had against Saddam Hussein for trying to kill his dad around the time of the first Gulf War.
"That being the murder of the Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi inside the Turkish embassy and how Trump blocked the investigation into it. Also, how Trump's son in law was bailed out by Qatar."
As morally wrong as it was to block the investigation into the murder I sort of understand his reasoning behind this. At the time of the murder I can recall Trump came out and said something along the lines of, "this is a terrible crime and the evidence strongly indicates the Saudi's where behind it, but what do you want me to do, if we can cancel our arm sales to the Saudi's we loose out on billions of dollars and thousands of people will loose their jobs" Trumps position was as I said morally wrong, but at least Trump for once was being honest about the situation, we don't just live in a world of good guys and bad guys, there is shades of grey and a great deal of complexity in dealing with other nations states and even allies can go rogue from time to time. America is also far from alone in supplying military equipment to nations with questionable track records. Trump received some political criticism for a short time about this but nothing that damaged him politically, it's not something the public cared about either, wasn't an issue in the election at all. That's the world we live in, the world will keep on trading with China no matter how much political or religious repression it engages in because we want their cheap goods and stand to benefit from that trade.
"That wasn't a conspiracy theory though, as in their was widespread mainstream belief around the world that Iraq was not involved in 9/11 and that the war in Iraq was more of a settling of a personal vendetta Bush had against Saddam Hussein for trying to kill his dad around the time of the first Gulf War."
I think that was kinda the point Plum was making...lots of conspiracy theories turn out to be facts...where there's smoke...
Lol Star would have us believe that if you didn't support Iraq 2.0, it didn't really matter. Lol!
Did you ever hear of David Kelly, Star? His death was covered up like nobody's business.
Whether it was for oil, revenge or both, Bush and pals lied through their teeth to millions of people, including the UN . Could one say they conspired?
Where's the war crime convictions?
That was at least half a million people wiped out. What was the bill? Around a trillion perhaps?
And now, once the dust has settled, we have evidence that it was a bogus war.
How much good is the evidence, as requested by Sader, doing all the people killed in that war and those that suffered and are suffering the consequences?
Trump hasn’t played it very smartly since the election. The winning move was to decry the Dems election tactics, but guarantee a constructive transfer of power. True to form he remained combative....and at the end of the day, in a world of me-too politicians, it lends him a perverse authenticity.
Hell fools like Peeper still believe in the Russia hoax. Talk about being taken in by a false conspiracy
Great to hear that the classified documents will be released today.
Perhaps to the honest law abiding members of the world it will support their claims of spying and covering ups during and prior to President Trumps term but to the "Lefties" it will be labelled as "Trump Lies" yet again.
Some folks just cannot trust, understand or accept the truth.
Hey "Comrades".
These documents should have been released in 2017/2018 and onwards as they were discovered,
Your missing what I was getting at.
Is was never a case of it only being conspiracy theorists saying Iraq wasn't linked to 9/11, the majority of people in countries outside the US thought the same, no evidence was ever presented that linked them together either before of after the war. What the Bush administrator did do was engage in misdirection/fudging of information that implied Iraq was linked to 9/11 in such a way that led many American's into believing Iraq was involved in 9/11. It didn't work outside the US though.
Yes I'm aware of David Kelly and who he was and how he died. But he wasn't involved in claims that 9/11 was linked to Iraq.
Its kinda of an open secret that Bush and co lied to get that war, I wouldn't consider it to be in th realm of conspiracy theory. But there is still two issues, first you need to be able to prove that in a court of law. That's a whole different story.
Secondly the reason why there is no war crimes charges or consequences to the war in Iraq is simple. Who's going to enforce them. No one, America is simply too powerful.
Trump was not a warmonger, nor was Bush senior, Clinton or Jimmy Carter. Reagan prosecuted an economic war against Russia which changed Europe for the better. East Germans are free because of Reagan.
As for the theory that Bush lied about Iraq WMD....think about it please. If he knew there was no WMD he was going to be exposed in a matter of months. Why would any politician destroy his reputation that way.
No they had bad intelligence, much of it gathered from Iraqi exiles in London. All of them Cheney, Rummy, Bush, Powell believed the CIA analysis.
You guys really have to broaden your information sources ...things are grey, not black and white.
Star,
Yes, most Americans backed the war.
Those that didn't were conspiracy theorists, unpatriotic, potential terrorists, Muslim apologists and and...Patriot Act.
Fact is, it was the conspiracy theorists that called it what it was before anyone else and exposed more of what occurred than anybody else did.
David Kelly's death is only still spoken about because of those nutty tinfoil hat wears that insisted he was murdered. Those geniuses that wondered how and why someone would bind his own hands before slitting his wrists. Cleary not interesting or high profile enough for ANY UK media outlet to meaningfully investigate, despite his wife's pleas to do so.
Not sure if you followed his death at the time. I did. And I clearly remember how it hardly got a mention other than a few obligatory lines before it was very quickly brushed under the carpet.
Wanna scare yourself? Go back into some UK news archives and read the scant reports on his death.
It's kind if similar of watching Terminator 2 today. We've unknowingly and gradually become accustomed to better and better CGI. At the time it looked amazing, compared to today's films, one can clearly make out the poor quality of the special effects used. It was good enough to fool us then but doesn't hold up to scrutiny today. I think you get what I'm saying.
Every country that sent troops to Iraq bought into it ....Blair was convinced by the CIA. And it was a mistake which Hussein should have corrected, but he didn’t because he was afraid that would make him look weak.
Not every mistake is a lie.
As for Japan in WW2.....the US was attacked by Japan, lost thousands of lives fighting them.....and then used the bomb when the projections were for millions of lives lost if Japan was attacked through conventional landings. One could argue a demonstration bomb could have been dropped, but the US only had enough plutonium for a few bombs.
Your war mongering argument is nonsense and the economic motivation is particularly wrong....the US is in a net economic deficit in every one of these wars. We lost money to fight them.
Every country that sent troops to Iraq bought into it ....Blair was convinced by the CIA. And it was a mistake which Hussein should have corrected, but he didn’t because he was afraid that would make him look weak.
To an extent they did, but just because they sent troops doesn't mean they had popular support among their populations.
Its hard to know what exactly Blair thought he would get out of supporting the Iraq War. Uptill the Iraq War he was quite a popular Prime Minister. But he really looks like he decided to back America no matter what, that if he backed the "special relationship" to the hilt America might be willing to give the UK big political favors in the future.
I actually agree mostly with your point on nuking Japan. Looking back in hindsight every other alternative to nukes results in far more deaths for both sides, be it invasion or blockade (and thus huge numbers dead by starvation. I do think they should have tried a demonstration bomb first. Maybe only one nuclear attack combined with Russia's declaration of war (and absolute pummeling of Japanese Forces in Manchuria) might have been enough. The US only had enough plutonium for a few bombs, but it was still a rate of around one or two per month.
Ja, & under Obama America regained the respect of the international community that was squandered in Iraq .
Under Obama America sponsored the Arab Spring, which destroyed Syria and Libya, and would have destroyed Egypt if the Egyptian military hadn’t intervened. They danced for joy when Qaddafi was assassinated, despite his cooperation, the price for supposedly leaving him alone.
All the aggressions we are dealing with....Russian land grabs, Chinese ‘islands’, Iran’s nuclear programme, Korea’s nuclear programme all advanced in Obama’s eight years.
It was a mess....applauded by the world because everybody could do what they wanted.
The Arab Spring would of occurred with or without American support, it was mass uprising in Arab countries in Africa and the Middle East by people who where angered by years of repressive rule and little improvement in their daily lives. Its also an immensely complex situation where you various parties seeking the overthrow authoritarian ruling regime, some of these parties where moderates, some of them extremists arguably worse than those they fought to replace, but there was absolutely a genuine desire for change among the wider populations of those countries. No matter what America or the outside world did it would be criticized for either not doing enough and allowing innocent people to be gased or warmongering and getting involved in more "endless" middle east wars. Don't back the uprising you're letting children die. Send arms to people fighting in the uprising they might be used to commit war crimes or letter used against your own interests.
No if I was throwing muck I’d mention the money flown in the middle of night which ended up funding Iranian terrorism. Or the failure to protect out embassy in Benghazi and using a fake story about a video to fob off the media and the relatives of the dead. And many other failures like the ‘line in the sand’.
It was 8 years of abject foreign policy failure and lies.
Star
You're wrong bud. I followed it closely at the time. In fact, a forum I was on had a thread dedicated to all the information that came out about it.
His death was reported, obviously, but it was not well covered at all and no journalists dared to question or investigate the context of his death.
The man himself said that he feared for his life and of being suicided. This was never mentioned.
On top of that, his wife was adamant that he did not commit suicide. She pleaded for further investigation but was ignored.
UK papers have archives that are available online. Rather than speculate, go and find the articles. See how many you can find for the two weeks after his death and what they say.
Here's a more recent article...
Moz rates it was a a mistake, but when one considers all the factors that lead to invading Iraq, and how many people were involved, it's very difficult to accept that it was carried out purely on the basis of unintentionally bad information.
On a side note, I may have mentioned it here before, but I relatively recently actually met a weapons demolisher that was contracting in Iraq at the time. The guy is an elderly engineer and I have zero reason to suspect he'd lie to me. He says that he often travelled with a group of multi-national weapons inspectors. They would mark any shower they came across, even tattered ones beside sports fields, as a chemical showers. They would count caves that they passed and always have more than 50% of them marked as storing weapons or ammunition...despite hardly ever entering the caves.
The guy does owe me a few favours and if anyone is interested, I could likely persuade him to send me a more detailed email of what he experienced at the time.
Star,
Go and check. I was giving you some grace by allowing two weeks since the story should be more devloped after some time has passed and it's been investigated more thoroughly.
Funny how you try to turn that around.
Now, go on man, have a look through the archives and see where the story stacked up.
I'm telling you that I followed it very closely at the time and even though its been well over a decade and a half, I'm 100% confident in what I'm saying exactly because I did follow it so closely.
The archives are there...go and look.
"No if I was throwing muck I’d mention the money flown in the middle of night which ended up funding Iranian terrorism"
The billions in pallets of cash made no sense at all...WTF, why is the world still quiet about this?
Hahaha....now that’s quite funny.