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Once again Trump’s Everyman common sense ‘trumps’ the scientists

Started by Mozart16 REPLIES439 VIEWS· 24 Apr 2020, 18:15
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Apr 2020, 18:15
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24 Apr 2020, 18:15#1

The data from the Maryland Lab shows very clearly we should expect the virus to weaken in summer time.  Apparently temps, humidity and UV rays hurt the virus. Trump was slammed for suggesting this weeks ago.


Trump also asked his experts in the meeting if there were treatment implications....which immediately had them stumbling, no doubt it hadn’t even occurred to them.


But if nurses are at risk in covid patient wards why wouldn’t maintaining higher temps and humidities be protective. And would you believe it many countries have used room bathing UV light during TB infections.


 

Trump is twice right again. His ability to see implications is impressive. And what the fake media don’t get is nobody is more plugged in to new important information than POTUS, because of his office. He knows more than they do.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Apr 2020, 19:32
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24 Apr 2020, 19:32#2
Trump wins once again.
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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
24 Apr 2020, 21:23
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24 Apr 2020, 21:23#3
I don't remember Trump saying that heat beat the virus weeks ago (e.g. ultraviolet light). If he did, he just regurgitated something he saw on TV- something that scientists had already established. Bill Gates said at the very start of the Coronavirus that respiratory viruses are worse in cold months than in warm ones- but that is a scientist talking. 

Trump did say that Coronavirus would disappear like a miracle in Spring- the same way the flue does. However nothing about putting ultraviolet light into the body. 

Just like the Maryland Lab yesterday, Trump saw that on TV like everyone else- and then he jumped on the bandwagon telling the public he suggested some ideas for the scientists. (All of which were established in the Maryland lab). He then mutilated the ideas prescribing toilet cleaner as the new magic cure to Coronavirus. 
Trump tried to take credit, and the Trumpanzees lapped it all up. 
What a joke!!!

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Apr 2020, 21:29
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24 Apr 2020, 21:29#4

Joke's on you fool!....by the time you finally catch on, it will be too late.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Apr 2020, 21:44
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24 Apr 2020, 21:44#5

Actually Trump was at the podium with the head of the Lab, and said there was important new information before the scientist spoke. My guess is he had these results hours if not days before.


But then again somebody who thinks they ‘kill’ patients at hospitals probably struggles with all this  protocol.

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
24 Apr 2020, 21:49
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24 Apr 2020, 21:49#6

Well, be sure to get one of Trump's prescriptions instead of following the advice of doctors and scientists. You can have a doctor inject it into you, or you can self administer. 

The malaria drug is so yesterday  It appeared that doctors did kill people when they tested it against no treatment. Although it scored Trump some points amongst the religious that rely on faith, and not science and reason.



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Apr 2020, 22:05
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24 Apr 2020, 22:05#7

No it was demonstrated that the very sick patients got hcq, those less ill didn’t. Clearly a biased test. There is anecdotal evidence of hcq working and a 1000 patient study from France that backs that up. There is no evidence of anything else working. So doctors continue to administer hcq to their patients.

If you want to educate yourself read this....it’s a balanced article:


Thousands of Covid-19 patients world-wide are signing up for studies exploring whether antimalaria drugs fight off infections of the new coronavirus, according to a Wall Street Journal review of a clinical-trial database, and thousands more patients are taking the unproven pills as part of their treatment.

Researchers studying the drugs have drawn up plans to enroll about 200,000 people to test whether the drugs could be used to prevent infections or help the sick get over them. More than 100 studies are under way, according to the analysis, which reviewed the U.S. government’s clinicaltrials.gov registry of trials and interviewed researchers.

The global efforts are seeking a long-elusive answer regarding these drugs: Could they help fight off a virus? So far, researchers in China and France studying small numbers of patients have reported they may help patients, and U.S. doctors using the drugs tout their benefits.

UNDERSTANDING CORONAVIRUS

Yet many infectious-disease experts say there isn’t sufficient scientific evidence to determine whether taking an antimalaria pill will truly help in a safe way, especially studies comparing how patients who took the drug fared with those who didn’t.

"’Does it offer benefit?’ is the big question we want to know the answer to,” said Roy Gulick, chief of infectious diseases at New York’s Weill Cornell Medicine and NewYork-Presbyterian. “We’re not there yet.”

The most advanced studies could have results in the coming weeks, researchers said.

Citing the lack of evidence, public-health authorities and infectious-disease experts, including Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, have cautioned against coronavirus treatment with the drugs, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, until there is more concrete evidence.

This week, a panel convened by the U.S. National Institutes of Health recommended against using hydroxychloroquine in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin except during clinical trials. The experts cited potential heart problems the combination could cause.

Joseph Brewer, an infectious-disease specialist in Kansas City, Mo., says most of the four-dozen moderate and severe patients he treated with the drugs have improved.PHOTO: JOSEPH BREWER

The NIH also said there wasn’t sufficient data to recommend, or recommend against, using hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine alone.

Many hospitals, however, are giving the drugs to Covid-19 patients in a bid to relieve breathing difficulties, while doctors are prescribing the pills to patients with mild symptoms such as cough and fever to stop the condition from worsening. 

Some doctors who have been giving the drugs to Covid-19 patients swear by their benefits, and say patients can’t wait weeks or months for rigorous studies to read out.

“I don’t need anything else to convince me,” said Joseph Brewer, an infectious-disease specialist at St. Luke’s Hospital in Kansas City, Mo., who says most of the four-dozen moderate and severe patients he treated with the drugs have improved. “I’ve seen people get better in one to two days.”

The U.S. Food & Drug Administration, which last month authorized the emergency use of the drugs in hospitalized Covid-19 patients, cautioned Friday about using them outside hospitals and clinical trialsdue to the risk of dangerous side effects. The FDA also said it is investigating reports of Covid-19 patients who received the antimalarials and died or suffered serious heart problems.

Why Blood From Coronavirus Survivors Could Be a Lifeline for the SickYOU MAY ALSO LIKEUP NEXT0:00 / 6:11Why Blood From Coronavirus Survivors Could Be a Lifeline for the SickA growing number of hospitals are investigating antibody testing and blood plasma therapy as a way to combat the new coronavirus in sick patients. WSJ’s Daniela Hernandez explains. Photo illustration: Laura Kammermann

The antimalarials are among dozens of drugs developed for other uses that are now under study to see if they can help tackle the new coronavirus.

Chloroquine was approved decades ago to treat and prevent malaria by fighting the disease parasite. Hydroxychloroquine, discovered later, is considered by doctors to be less toxic. Researchers later found both could reduce inflammation. Hydroxychloroquine is now approved for autoimmune diseases like lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, and chloroquine has been used for those diseases, too.

The pills can have rare side effects, including eye and heart problems, although hydroxychloroquine less so.

Researchers have repeatedly explored whether the malaria drugs could fight off viruses, from HIV to influenza and coronaviruses, but the pills never worked in humans.

Some scientists and doctors, looking for something that could help treat coronavirus cases, were drawn to the malaria pills, theorizing their anti-inflammatory properties might help contain the hyperactive immune response seen in Covid-19 patients.

The medicines’ potential for treating Covid-19 gained traction in March as President Trump praised them on Twitter and during news conferences.

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
24 Apr 2020, 22:42
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24 Apr 2020, 22:42#8

This is old news. how old is that article? This theory has now been debunked. 

Even Trump has moved onto toilet cleaner as the new cure to Corona to take away attention from this monumental balls up he made. The US stockpile will probably end up on eBay.

The tests in the US were random. There were control and test- and the results were clear. They did not give people different treatment based on their medical condition. It was totally random. 

This drug that was touted by Trump slows down the heart (e.g. breathing is slower- which is a disaster for someone with Corona)

Someday someone will make a cure for Covid-19. And guess what it will be a scientist, not a layman... We should then thank scientists. Not God, and certainly not Trump. 

However, Trump can give us some entertainment in the meantime. Stock up on disinfectant toilet cleaner boys, who knows if there will be any in the shops tomorrow. Trump has probably stock pilled it. 



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CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 Apr 2020, 00:12
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25 Apr 2020, 00:12#9

“ Posted by: sharkbok (11304 posts)

Apr 24, 2020, 22:42

This is old news. how old is that article? This theory has now been debunked. “

Sources? When was it debunked and who tested the theory and delivered the results debunking it?

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
25 Apr 2020, 00:22
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25 Apr 2020, 00:22#10
Trump no longer mentions it, and neither does Fox News 
Check out this post for more details. Many sources are quoted.


Trump and Fox News want to send their hydroxychloroquine hype down the memory holehttps://www.vox.com/2020/4/22/21230982/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-trump-fox-news-hype
---More detailshttps://www.ruckersforum.com/forum/beenos-trumpet/doctor-prescribing-hydroxychloroquine-says-all-of-his-very-very-ill-patients-with-coronavirus-became-symptom-free-within-8-12-hours-video-/32251/

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Apr 2020, 01:15
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25 Apr 2020, 01:15#11

It was published in the Wall Street Journal on April 24th. It’s completely up to date. And by the way there is a test being conducted by a Colorado Company putting UV light right into the lungs of patients via the intubation process.


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Apr 2020, 09:43
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25 Apr 2020, 09:43#12

Haha Shark runs face first into a Tyson like right uppercut.

Somebody put a towel under his head and make sure he doesn't swallow his tongue.

Oh, screw it, let him swallow the tongue, it's good for nothing anyway.

Hahaha

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 Apr 2020, 11:30
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25 Apr 2020, 11:30#13

Hahahaha @Plum. 

I was going to reply to SB’s post containing his “sources”. I was going to ask if he actually looked past Vox’ efforts to dis Fox and opened the “many sources quoted” to see what the “sources” said. Then I saw Moz’ post and your response. I decided to let it fly and rather wait and see if he is OK after that uppercut. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Apr 2020, 11:45
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25 Apr 2020, 11:45#14

The fact is SB again made a total fool of himself,   He believed lies touted by CNN and the other fake news agencies and repeated that on site,  Imbeciles can never be changed to normal people even in the modern era - they will always remain imbeciles.  LMAO 

SB should listen to real news instead - in the absence of anything else, the malaria drug is still the most widely used one in the world for treatment purposes,  As stated previously the fake  news agencies are having fits and try to belittle everything possible to get to the 200 000 deaths they desperately want for propaganda purposes.  

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Apr 2020, 11:50
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25 Apr 2020, 11:50#15

"Hillbilly garble garble, Christians beep beep,Trumpanzees splutter splutter."

Is what we'll get. 

You know the drill.



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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
25 Apr 2020, 12:49
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25 Apr 2020, 12:49#16
@CleverWanker, 
I watched the video live. It is also all over the internet. It is in 99% of the news sources around the world. I suppose they are also fake news. 
Have you tried injecting yourself with toilet cleaner yet? Fact is Trump's rating is going down. His own political party members are telling him to be less involved in these briefings. Only the most loyal Trumpanzees will still support him.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Apr 2020, 12:56
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25 Apr 2020, 12:56#17

Leë Blik.

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