Origin: Probability of a Single Protein Forming by Chance

This i way beyond the paygrade of that dumbass rooijackass but some may appreciate how stunning all this is.

Probability of a Single Protein Forming by Chance

How did God exist by chance? 

Surely God must have been born at some point in time -  unless God has always existed. (or not existed at all). 

Did God just exist- with no universe for billions of years inside nothing?

What was he doing before he created the universe? Why did he wait to create the universe- if he has always existed? What was God do with his spare time when there was no universe. 

If God has always existed, the universe could have always existed.  Why could the universe not have always existed as an eternal cycle of big bang expansion and contraction? 

If either God or the universe always existed- there is no such thing as a beginning of time.

At least some evidence exists for how the universe has formed- that is believed by leading scientists who use the same knowledge and reasoning across a wide range of disciplines like astronomy, medical, computers to name but a few. 

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I watched 2 minutes of this scripture masquerading as science - the problem with the argument is an assumed per cent of what the random chance is. 

What is the random chance of a God existing forever- or at all? It disapproves its own argument when applied to God - in the same way, it is applied to evolution.

Just because someone cant understands something logically, it does not mean that an emotional answer like God is valid- especially when it is even more random. 

Shark, first off, the religious theory is that God exists outside of space time. God is eternal and has always existed. 

At this time there is no viable theory for the oscillating universe,  as the universe is still expanding. This does not mean a viable theory will not be found.

Various other models have also been tested, like the String Theory, but at the moment, the Theory of the Big Bang makes the most scientific sense. What happened before the BB is still unknown and probably unknowable. 

Science will keep on exploring the boundaries of knowledge to fond explanations for the unknown, but everything can't be known, so at some stage we might have to accept some things just as they are...frustrating. 

And this theory that god is eternal and has always existed is based on what, its what i want it to be so therefore i will believe it?

How about a theory that has at least 1 fact to support it. Based on that thinking you can believe any nonsense you want which religious people obviously do

Big Bang supports it sort of ...and personal xp...what's your proof to the contrary?... P lease note, I'm not trying to convince you, just tired of being called stupid because I don't think like you. Live and let live only works one way if you are a " New Liberal " Your way or the highway...well, that's not good enough for us any more.

As far as one can discern wee rooijackass is a disciple of now dead but leading atheist voice Prof Stephen Hawking. This nut job says because there is a law of gravity the universe can and will create itself out of nothing, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Rooitwit ask your mum to expalin the clip to you. Talk about whoooooooo ooossssssssssh!

Rooi, you don't think, you parrot what you think must be right. You also think Oxford Mathematics professors are stupid. You ignore facts you don't like. Your mind is closed.

True no one actually knows it all but i will take the word of scientist and their peer reviewed work over some run of the mill guy that has read a book and thinks he knows the answer.

Only a fool would say there is no difference .

I bet you dont go to one of your mates when your crook but see some one that has done the study and knows what he is talking about.

By the way i have the elixir of life if you're interested  only $2,000 a bottle. Take my word it works because i once read a book about it

I think that there really is no answer and there never will be.    The humans race was ever since ancient time bothered about the issue as well.   As a species  with thinking ability death bothered them - they feared and still do fear death as an unknown and develop a theory that after death there is another place where people go to so as to continue life.   

For that reason there has to be a God that assist them in finding that heaven where they cann live without the things that bother them on earth,   One has to go back to ancient Egypt to realize how deeply ingrained those beliefs became -the mummification of the dead, the provision of food for the journey can be mentioned as proof of that,

There may in fact be the issue of re-incarnation - there are thousands of claims about it happening,  Even I got the feeling that in a previous life I lived in Vienna.  The fact is the first time I visited the city - I walked straight to the Ringstrasse withoit a map and without asking anybody for directions.   I just felt I knew where every major place in the city was by instinct.  That is another type of thing that could NEVER really be proved.

However, the question remains - how did the Universe started off and is it in fact based on any format of religion.   There are indeed proof that the  human race developed from species that roamed Africa millions of years ago -- but how did they survive in the Jurassic age and afterwards,   The earliest written reports that has ever been found nad understoof fates back not more than 7 thousand years,

In the dangerous age humans developed the safety mechanism requires for families and family groups to stick together and later form tribes and ultimately nations.   Humans believe in some form of  a sovereign being existed that would protect them from danger nd started to worship things they regarded as gods.   There were originally thousands of gods  so worshipped and the later variation became when some philosophers started an idea that there is only one God - but there is no real scientific proof of existence of such a God.

There is also a theory that some aliens visited earth thousands of years ago and assisted in the development of human civilization  - and some theory existed that those much more advanced aliens  were taken as gods to be worshipped.   

However, there is no real scientific proof that there is in fact a God that care for human beings.  The best answer is to leave people to believe what basis they use in their lifetime.   I am saying that to discuss  this type of thing in a forum will just cause discord amongst people that may have different points of view.   Lets just accept there are theories that are nor reconcilable on the issue and leave it there,        .               

God is eternal and created space time out of nothing (ex nihilo ...The Big Bang). He Himself transcend space time. (my opinion)

Facts: At the moment the observable evidence suggests that the universe began 13 odd billion years ago...out of nothing. Science is still looking for a viable theory to prove an eternal universe, but has not done so yet. The fact that atheists does not like this is of no consequence ...it is what it is. In science, the simplest solution is normally the correct one, a nd since the background radiation and dark matter has been observed, models for an eternal universe has become too complicated.

This does not mean that a viable theory won't be found in the near future, it means that it hasn't been found yet...

Well Rooi from what we can observe, it was nothing and from what I understand, the oscillating universe theory has a number of problems that science can't explain at the moment. If they can come up with a viable contraction/expansion theory,  then the "singularity" argument holds, if not, the "ex nihilo" argument is valid too. Then the "why" becomes a problem. 

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.  I'm explaining how I see things and I don't see it as a science vs religion thing. I don't even see it as a debate.  It's a discussion and I try to enter it with an open mind. That's how we learn something.

I'm no scientists,  but unlike you may think Rooi, I am not stupid and I do have some post matric qualifications in a scientific field. I do understand physics and mathematics a bit, but when it comes to quantum mechanics and cosmology, science becomes highly theoretical and specialized and only really understood by a small group of experts .

From what can be observed, it looks like the universe came into existence 13 odd billion years ago.

Anything you add to that is speculation.

Do you know what "observable" mean? Tell me, how does a "singularity" look?

For the naysayers about the Bing Bang theory and gravity creating the galaxies-

1. Did God create the universe from nothing?
   
2. Does gravity exist?
   
3. Did God create gravity
   
4. Did God use gravity to create the universe

What i cannot comprehend from the theist they say nothing can come from nothing but something vastly more complex that can is the "obvious" answer.

No its not the fact is if everything is eternal it is much more likely that everything is natural not some unbelievably complex being. 

Soory theist but your argument excludes your own answer 

Rooi, your  last comment is how I feel too, our difference is in the detail. I'm not saying I am right and you are wrong.  I believe in a higher purpose,  you don't. The detail doesn't bother me as much as it obviously does you.

Yes , right or wrong, the word is better off after 2000 years of Christianity than it would have been if, for instance, Baal worship came out on top back then...or Moloch, or whatever else. Tolerance is a much underappreciated virtue it seems.

I said better than Baal worship, not the best possible scenario. You do  know, the whole child sacrifice thing? ... There wasn't too many alternatives back then.

Ironically, it was the ancient Greeks that invented Atheism... It does suggest more tolerance with different Gods, or no Gods at all.

It is amazing how many things originate in ancient Greece. They have  had more influence than any other nation. (not computers or machinery etc- but almost everything else). 

Unfortunately for them, Christianity was forced upon by Rome(ans)  them when other religions were banned.