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PAKISTANI PRIME MINISTER IMRAN KHAN BLAMES POST-9/11 ‘ISLAMOPHOBIA’ FOR MOSQUE ATTACKS

Started by Beeno111 REPLIES828 VIEWS· 16 Mar 2019, 18:51
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Mar 2019, 18:51
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16 Mar 2019, 18:51#1

The hypocrisy involved here vs breathtaking take a look.

Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday condemned the New Zealand mosque shootings in the harshest terms and laid the blame for increasing violence at the feet of “Islamophobia post-9/11.”(NOT only 9/11 Oak!!)

“Shocked and strongly condemn the Christchurch, New Zealand, terrorist attack on mosques. This reaffirms what we have always maintained: that terrorism does not have a religion. Prayers go to the victims and their families.” (RELATED: Erdogan Uses New Zealand Mosque Shootings To Condemn Whole World For ‘Hostility’ To Islam ( You have earned your reputation and the world has noticed)

In a follow-up tweet, Khan continued, “I blame these increasing terror attacks on the current Islamophobia post-9/11 where Islam & 1.3 bn Muslims have collectively been blamed for any act of terror by a Muslim. This has been done deliberately to also demonize legitimate Muslim political struggles.”(Yes their struggles are endless - in every country they go and against eachother!!)


Khan, meanwhile, presides over a nation with one of the most abysmal human rights records in the world. According to a 2013 report published by the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), “religious freedom violations in Pakistan rose to unprecedented levels due to chronic sectarian violence […], and the government continues to fail to protect Christians, Ahmadis, and Hindus.” (RELATED: Islamists Going Door-To-Door Looking To Kill Asia Bibi)

The report also highlighted the Islamic Republic’s repressive blasphemy laws, which “are widely used to violate religious freedoms and foster a climate of impunity.” USCIRF recommended over a decade ago that the U.S. State Department designate Pakistan as a “Country Of Particular Concern” because of its treatment of religious minorities, especially Christians. Christians make up less than two percent of the population in Pakistan, according to the Library of Congress.

Pakistan has drawn international attention in recent months for its continued imprisonment of Catholic mother Asia Bibi, who was twice acquitted of blaspheming Mohammed. Bibi, an illiterate field hand, spent nearly a decade on death row and has become a symbol of the suffering inflicted by Pakistan’s blasphemy law, which deems insults to Mohammed a capital offense(RELATED: Persecuted Christian Woman Asia Bibi Remains Trapped In Pakistan Despite Acquittal)

Republican Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul called on the United States in November to cut off all foreign aid to Pakistan until Bibi is released. President Donald Trump has likewise expressed disdain for the country that harbored Osama bin Laden, saying in a November interview with Chris Wallace that “they don’t do a damn thing for us.




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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Mar 2019, 19:12
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16 Mar 2019, 19:12#2

Some bloggers are not impressed !

Hey you paki fk, I haven't heard you condemn the massacres of more than 120 Christians in n*geria this month by marauding muslim militant jihadists.

Take your hypocrisy and shove it where the sun don't shine, and your pagan moon god allah resides.


Muslims and liberals are very much alike, what they do is always OK, if you disagree, you should be destroyed. Same cult, different outfits

“Islamophobia post-9/11.”..Umm, Islamic terrorists were blowing things and people up around the world long before 9-11. The world has tired of Islam and Muslims. They brought it on themselves. They've burned Christian churches down with the people still inside.

1400 years of Islamic Supremacism. A long deep river of blood. In the name of their God. ....and they call it holy. Nothing but destruction, terror, death and horror. And there is no end in sight.

Islamophobia doesn't exist. It is a lie. Being afraid of a poisonous snake is not "phobia". ...it is sane and wise.

All the Muslims have to do is stop killing people

They can't, It's their religion.

Liberals love and promote Islam.

Khan should invite all the Islamic refugees to live in his country.

He is afraid, they are mostly terrorists.

What does he blame for the thousands of murders of Arab Christians by Arab Muslims?
Islamophobia, or just plain hatred and intolerance of Christians (and everyone else)

Yeah that's the ticket.. Apologize to Muslims and Islam like Barack Hussein Obama would have. They burned Christian churches down with the people still in them as they barricaded the doors. Have they apologized for all the destruction and loss of innocent lives they are responsible for around the world for decades... Hell no!

They brought it on themselves.

Etc Etc.

Violence begets violence and you reap what you sow. The whole problem is the Quoran and the way it teaches treating non muslims. Something the very foolish Cloudy is blissfully unaware of.


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sharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
16 Mar 2019, 19:38
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16 Mar 2019, 19:38#3
Beeno1

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Muslims and liberals are very much alike, what they do is always OK, if you disagree, you should be destroyed. Same cult, different outfits


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sharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
16 Mar 2019, 19:42
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16 Mar 2019, 19:42#4

People are trying to stand for some values, not associations- or generalisations.

Yes, the Western world is less radical than Muslim, but if we stereotype all Muslims as evil, we lose our own humanity. 


The fact is there are some Muslim people, and some Christian people, or any other religions that are better people than what I am, or you are.

 I hate the evil Islam fanatics, but it is not as if I like Christian fanatics either. Cut from the same Abrahamic cloth....

Yes, Muslim commits more crimes in the name of religion than Christians, or atheists, agnostics etc- but we cant become the same fanatical evil by stereotyping them all. Muslims are more sympathetic on average to these types of terrorist acts, but again generalising them all is not the way forward

The moment we justify the killing of innocent people celebrating a wedding is the moment we become the Taliban ourselves.


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XaviPro1,924 posts
16 Mar 2019, 19:50
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16 Mar 2019, 19:50#5

Islamaphobia is the wrong term.

I'm not afraid of their religion. I just think the world would be a better place without it.


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
16 Mar 2019, 22:06
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16 Mar 2019, 22:06#6
"I'm not afraid of their religion. I just think the world would be a better place without it."
Same is true of christianity . . . or judaism . . . or zoroastrianism . . . or any other religion you care to name.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Mar 2019, 22:41
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16 Mar 2019, 22:41#7

You to look at what the Quoran says about us kafirs to get what Islam stands for. Unless you do you have no clue. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Mar 2019, 22:41
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16 Mar 2019, 22:41#8

You to look at what the Quoran says about us kafirs to get what Islam stands for. Unless you do you have no clue. 

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
16 Mar 2019, 22:49
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16 Mar 2019, 22:49#9
Beano, you can stick your brand of Christianity where a monkey sticks his nuts . Amen.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Mar 2019, 00:25
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17 Mar 2019, 00:25#10
Easy to discount 9/11. I spent a great deal of time in the Towers, I still have my building pass. I was supposed to attend a meeting there a week after they were destroyed. And I was living in New York in 1971 as they were going up. They were beautiful iconic buildings But the real tragedy was the people....phoning home and talking to wives and parents when they knew they were going to die. Rescue workers seeing bodies explode as they hit the ground . We lost people, some of whom lost their lives trying to save their fellow employees.....the memorial service was heartbreaking. It was a particularly poignant calamity. So I agree with Imran Khan that these events have roots in 9/11. But it's not a phobia, it's a deep and justified suspicion of a religion that would plan and support an event like that. That would not condemn it and whose supporters would be seen in image after image rejoicing in the tragedy. There is no comparison between 9/11 and Christchurch. One was the work of a few people on the fringe of society, the other reflected a programmed effort widely supported across a whole religion. Some of the suspicion might abate if the leaders of Islam came out unequivocally against violence, but they never have.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
17 Mar 2019, 01:35
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17 Mar 2019, 01:35#11

Mighty fine post moz ......except for your final paragraph

'Some of the suspicion might abate if the leaders of Islam came out unequivocally against violence, but they never have'

Pressing a Muslim Reformation

You wouldn't know it from the press but moderate Muslims do denounce terrorism.

By Mary Kate Cary, Contributing Editor for Opinion?Dec. 18, 2015More

  (Brett Ziegler for USN&WR)

How many times since 9/11 – when nearly 3,000 Americans were killed by radical Muslims – have we asked each other where the moderate Muslims are? Where are the imams denouncing the violence committed in the name of Islam? We asked the same after the attacks on the Little Rock recruiting office, after Fort Hood, after the Islamic State group beheadings of Americans overseas. After the Boston Marathon bombing and Mumbai and Madrid and London and Paris. After San Bernardino.

You'd never know it from the media, but Muslim leaders have denounced terrorism committed in the name of Islam over and over again. Apparently covering terrorist attacks drives more ratings than reporting on press conferences afterward – so the media doesn't bother. It's not surprising that many Americans have come to believe that perhaps there just are no moderate Muslims.

READ:

After Paris, Islamophobia Is on the Rise ]

Case in point: Last week, while the American press corps was breathlessly reporting on whether Donald Trump would boycott the next debate, a small group of Muslim men and women launched the Muslim Reform Movement here in Washington. Led by Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, who is a medical doctor and a former U.S. naval officer, the group held a press conference at the National Press Club, issued a statement of their principles, and – in a move reminiscent of the famous "95 Theses" that Martin Luther posted on a church door in 1517, sparking the Protestant Reformation – affixed their precepts to the door of the Islamic Center in the heart of D.C.'s Embassy Row.

The Muslim Reform Movement's full declaration is available here, but take a look at the executive summary:

? "We reject interpretations of Islam that call for any violence, social injustice and politicized Islam. We invite our fellow Muslims and neighbors to join us.

? "We reject bigotry, oppression and violence against all people based on any prejudice, including ethnicity, gender, language, belief, religion, sexual orientation and gender expression.

? "We are for secular governance, democracy and liberty.

? "Every individual has the right to publicly express criticism of Islam. Ideas do not have rights. Human beings have rights.

? "We stand for peace, human rights and secular governance. Please stand with us!"

This is exactly what we've all been waiting to hear. But while The Washington Post reported beforehand that the event would be taking place, once it did, the Post didn't even send a reporter. Instead, the Post editors ran a Religion News Service report and only posted it online – it didn't make the regular paper. As far as I can tell, The New York Times didn't run a story at all. Neither did the evening news broadcasts that night on ABC, NBC and CBS.

I don't know why the press ignored it. But I can take a guess. I think it's because the Muslim Reform Movement goes against two narratives that are out there right now.

RELATED:

Anti-Muslim Rhetoric Harms U.S. National Security, Groups Say ]

The first, espoused by the Obama White House and its surrogates, resists naming violence committed in the name of Allah as "radical Islam." Instead, one should use euphemisms like "radical jihadis" (is there such a thing as a "moderate jihadi"?) and "violent extremists," out of a concern for spreading Islamophobia. Instead of talking about innocent lives being taken by Islamic State group terrorists, the White House would prefer to talk about stopping gun violence and how climate change is causing radicalization. Asra Nomani, a moderate Muslim who is also a journalist and author, says this attitude is known as "the Ostrich Brigade," and "it's used to describe all those people who are burying their heads in the sand. I call it the three D strategy: denial, deflection and a demonization of those of us who want to speak honestly about these issues of extremism."

Exhibit A is Hillary Clinton's recent statement: "Let's be clear, though. Islam is not our adversary. Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism." Really? Nothing whatsoever? Islam is not our adversary – radical Islam is – and while there are many, many peace-loving, law-abiding Muslims in the world, suggesting that no adherent of the religion is engaged in terrorism is to defy reality.

The second dominant narrative that crowds out the moderates' message is that all Muslims are violent terrorists who should be banned from the United States. The idea that the world's 1.6 billion Muslims, or anything more than a tiny sliver of them, are a radical monolith doesn't deal in reality either. And it goes against our founding principles of religious liberty and tolerance. But it's a distressingly popular thing to suggest, especially if you are leading in the Republican presidential race.

Both sides are equally extremist.

No religion's followers are completely homogenous. Think of all the varieties of Christians there are, for example; the four different denominations of Hinduism; the various strains of Judaism ranging from Hasidic to Reform. Even the Catholic Church is surprisingly all over the map, from "cafeteria Catholics" to the diversity of opinion within the College of Cardinals. Like every other world religion, Muslims do not speak with one voice. The fact is that there are Sunnis and Shias, and there are also radical Muslims who kill others in the name of Allah.

Muslims are not indistinguishable from each another. We owe it to them to differentiate between the radicals and everyone else.

That's where the Muslim Reform Movement comes in. These men and women are putting their lives at risk as moderate Muslims who are willing to speak out. "We are opposing a very real interpretation of Islam that espouses violence, social injustice and political Islam," Nomani said on "Meet the Press" earlier this month. "We have to take back the faith. And we have to take it back with the principles of peace, social justice, and human rights, women's rights, and secularize governance."

PHOTOS:

The Big Picture – December 2015 ]

The debate on that show then turned to whether Islam is a religion of peace. National Review's Rich Lowry made the argument that the question is irrelevant for outsiders to decide. "It's for Muslims to decide whether it's a religion of peace or not," he said. "And if enough of them do, then you cut off the oxygen to the radicals. But at the moment, the extremists have significant financial, popular and theological backing in the Middle East. That is an enduring phenomenon. And it's one that is going to require a long, ideological war to win."

Lowry's right. Part of the strategy to defeat Islamic State group involves air strikes and special ops and better surveillance. But it also involves a protracted effort to change hearts and minds. What the Muslim Reform Movement is doing – bravely, publicly – is to start cutting off the oxygen to the radicals.

We should stand with the Muslim Reform Movement and denounce the Islamic State group for what it is – a perverse interpretation of Islam that must be destroyed. "We are in a battle for the soul of Islam," says their declaration, and it will be a long war. This month marked the beginning of the fight. Too bad the press ignored it.



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Mar 2019, 04:10
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17 Mar 2019, 04:10#12
Blob you're right, I overstated the case, moderate Moslems are not the the people promoting the violence. There needs to be a change in the views of the leading clerics in Saudi and Iran. One of the problems with Islam is the lack of a clear hierarchy of authority....like the Pope. But there are influential clerics who could make a difference and don't. That puts ordinary Moslems who want to live normal lives in a tough spot. I have no inherent bias against the religion. We grew up with Moslems in our lives...in our houses. We laughed together and shared our family experiences....we should be at ease with these peple. And the religion has an austere beauty , it's symbols and places of worship. But every terrorist event strips that away. What happened in Christchurch is inexcusable, but it's going to happen as long as the sense of threat exists.
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