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Putin is the best leader in the world

Started by Seb61 REPLIES7,127 VIEWS· 04 Jun 2021, 20:41
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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
06 Jun 2021, 16:29
#41
06 Jun 2021, 16:29#41
Communism is a political and "economic" system. True Communism has no private property.  
So, China and Russia have "watered" down communism with capitalism because they allow private property. 
The politicians want Communism so they can stay in power, but they realize the economic system of capitalism is better. 
Democracy and Capitalism go hand in hand. Competition and choice... relative truth. 
That means "not" a one-party state with one media.  Having lots of political parties and media is part of Democracy. 
Still, these Communist countries have improved by adding capitalism, but the Democratic countries have the best per capita- using Democracy and Capitalism. What are the characteristics of a communist economy?Characteristics of Communist System
  • Abolition of Private Property.
  • Collective Ownership of Means of Production.
  • Central Planning.
  • Elimination of Unfair Gaps in Incomes.
  • Provision of Necessaries of Life.
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AJHPro3,183 posts
06 Jun 2021, 22:22
#42
06 Jun 2021, 22:22#42

Seb take a drive to Soweto and sort out our hero from Wales.

Put a boot in for me as well.


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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
06 Mar 2022, 00:55
#43
06 Mar 2022, 00:55#43

Bump

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Mar 2022, 01:20
#44
06 Mar 2022, 01:20#44

Anger…..surely you can now see Putin’s aggression was enabled by asinine EU country policies….like the German closure of their nuclear plants, surely the most stupid policy decision of the century thus far. 

Close your nuclear plants and build a pipeline to a rogue country to get gas, all at a time global warming is supposedly an existential threat. There is no word in the English language that adequately describes the stupidity of that decision.


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
06 Mar 2022, 11:35
#45
06 Mar 2022, 11:35#45
Anger…..surely you can now see Putin’s aggression was enabled by asinine EU country policies

Moz...their is multiple factors that may have enabled Putin's aggression. Europe's dependency on Russian gas is one of them. But there is several other factors as well, such as the west's weak response to previous aggressive moves Putin has made, like his invasion of Georgia, the carrying out of assassinations in western countries with biological weapons, the annexation of Crimea and his military assistance to separatists in the East of Ukraine. His propping up of the Assad regime in Syria. Numerous cyber attacks on western targets. In addition to that we have political division's in Europe with extremely strained EU-British relations following Brexit,  the UK being awash with laundered Russian money (see it lagging behind the rest of the world in passing sanctions against Russia). There is also political divisions in the US. In both the case of Brexit and the US 2016 elections the Russian's attempted to influence the outcome of both (pro Brexit, pro Trump). It faced no consequence for meddling in either. Trump's repeated expressions of admiration for Putin had also spread over to a lot his support base. All of this probably fed into Putin's view that the west is weak and divided and its response to his invasion of Ukraine would be as weak as its previous responses. 
like the German closure of their nuclear plants, surely the most stupid policy decision of the century

Not even close. Brexit says hello, the only time in history a country has effectively put sanctions on itself.  But in order of magnitudes of stupidity even that pales in comparison to Putin's decision to invade Ukraine.
Close your nuclear plants and build a pipeline to a rogue country to get gas, all at a time global warming is supposedly an existential threat.

Their not all actually closed and their is now a debate in Germany about keeping some of them open following the Russian invasion of Ukraine. But you are aware that gas is cleaner than coal right and that Germany has also being increasing its production of reenable energy in the meantime. As for Russia being a rogue state, well that's clear cut now, but for all that time the US was still conducting trade worth billions of dollars with Russia as well. And yes global warming still is an existential threat.
There is no word in the English language that adequately describes the stupidity of that decision.

The USA and Europe/EU all have their fair share of problems. But we fundamentally believe in the same principals of freedom and democracy. Their is no point mocking or blaming allied countries are this point, what's done is done. We should instead be united in standing against Putin's tyranny and not offering him excuses. The blame solely rests with that man.
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SebPro2,680 posts
06 Mar 2022, 12:32
#46
06 Mar 2022, 12:32#46

“On the day when you again allow abominable men to confiscate your freedom, your money, your lives, your private property, your manhood and your sacred honor, in the name of "security' or "national emergency' you will die, and never again shall you be free. If plotters again destroy your Republic, they will do it by your greedy and ignorant assent, by your disregard of your neighbors' rights, by your apathy and your stupidity. We were brought to the brink of universal death and darkness because we had become that most contemptible of people -- an angerless one. Keep alive and vivid all your righteous anger against traitors, against those who would abrogate your Constitution, against those who would lead you to wars with false slogans and cunning appeals to your patriotism.”

Taylor Caldwell.

The hypocrisy...the Pot that thinks he can clean, the kettle...the USA and it's allies.

The greatest deception of all..one simple question, how would the USA like and react if the Fed of Russia build missile bases in Mexico, Canada or Cental and northern part of South America? Yeah, how would they? What gives them and their lackeys sole rights to demand that without conflict.

...and what about non-existent "the weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq.. The only one's used,  I can think of  were "Little Boy and Fatman" in Japan.

Taking the spec out of the other man's eye when their is a log in their own. Rather remove their own log in their eye,  so they see clearly and only then, would they been able to remove the spec in the other's eye.

...and yes, there is a documented agreement which was located in the archives...I wonder why is was conveniently archived ?


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
06 Mar 2022, 13:35
#47
06 Mar 2022, 13:35#47

The hypocrisy...the Pot that thinks he can clean, the kettle...the USA and it's allies.

The West may be hypocrites, doesn't mean they are wrong though. And also by Russia invading Ukraine proves that they are also hypocrites when they condemned the US for its invasion of Iraq and then go to invade another country themselves.

The greatest deception of all..one simple question, how would the USA like and react if the Fed of Russia build missile bases in Mexico, Canada or Cental and northern part of South America? Yeah, how would they?

I suspect the USA would not like it all and may even take military steps to stop it depending on the scale of what was happening there. However here is the difference, Mexico, Canada and Central and South America don't consider the USA a potential existential threat and don't feel the need to join a military defensive alliance as protection against the US. Now consider the position of central and eastern European countries who suffered terribly under Russian/Soviet control. They only gained their independence in the early to mid 1990's and since that time Russia has developed into an authoritarian state that has acted aggressively against its neighbours.  When it comes to military strength individually these countries are no match for Russia. Is it any surprise they seek the safety of a powerful military alliance. Absolutely Russia has a right to security but those countries who border Russia do so equally as well.

 What gives them and their lackeys sole rights to demand that without conflict.

I'm not saying this is right but the simple answer is power and having so much of it, that they can do what they want because no one can hold them to account for their actions. Russia is trying to do the same thing only to discover it doesn't have the same level of power.

...and what about non-existent "the weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq.. The only one's used,  I can think of  were "Little Boy and Fatman" in Japan.

Whataboutism isn't a good argument. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Taking the spec out of the other man's eye when their is a log in their own. Rather remove their own log in their eye,  so they see clearly and only then, would they been able to remove the spec in the other's eye.

All I can say here is what I'm confident in my abilities for critical thinking. I'm sure you are as well, but ultimately it doesn't bring us any closer together on the issue.

...and yes, there is a documented agreement which was located in the archives...I wonder why is was conveniently archived ?

Quoting Mikhail Gorbachev  in an interview from 2014

"The topic of 'NATO expansion' was never discussed; it was not raised in those years. I am saying this with a full sense of responsibility. Not a single Eastern European country brought up the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact had ceased to exist in 1991," 

Whether or not guarantees where given that NATO would not expand east, looks at what Putin's actions have done. They have strengthened support for NATO, not a single eastern European country who is a member state of NATO would think it be a good idea to leave the alliance after a non member of NATO was just invaded. They would consider themselves too exposed For the first time ever the Finnish population supports NATO membership and for the love of monkeys they just got the Germans to re-arm and spend more than 2% of its GDP on its military, other Western countries have for years tried to get the Germans to spend more on their military without success but Putin's actions have caused them to do it. What's more Germany due to its military history with Russian in WW2 was extremely loath to be too critical of Russia and wanted to be the European country that held out its hands as an olive branch to Russia as away of making amends.  But now that sympathetic voice towards Russia in central Europe is gone. People talk about how you shouldn't poke the Russian bear, but Russia has just poked an economic giant in central Europe out of its slumber and got them to re-arm. And to top it all off, the USA who's foreign policy was pivoting away from Europe and towards Asia-Pacific has been pulled back into Eastern Europe.  Bravo Mr Putin you have got the exact opposite of what you wanted!

But honestly its not about NATO, that's just an excuse Putin is using for an aggressive action. What Putin wants is to resurrect a sort of Russian Imperium that will either directly incorporate former Russian territory back into the Russian federation or semi-autonomous vassal states with puppet rulers who take their orders from Moscow.

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SebPro2,680 posts
06 Mar 2022, 16:24
#48
06 Mar 2022, 16:24#48

https://youtu.be/V0I5eglJMRI


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SebPro2,680 posts
06 Mar 2022, 17:31
#49
06 Mar 2022, 17:31#49

Quite a good answer from your stance Stav...at least it's rational from your position but the truth is being swept under the carpet. The tragedy is people cannot make informed decisions.

This certainly is not new. Mozart said that the west always treated Russia, Imperial and Soviet Union as the Bogeyman.

In that he is spot on.

Even history as far back as Tsar Ivan (Ivan the Terrible) and filled by the west (British Empire) with shocking and blatant lies.

Ivan did not murder his son at all. Ivan loved his son and appointed a British nurse who was appointed to look after him. What happened is that she drowned the boy in a lake. Also Ivan had a British doctor which was appointed to look after his health but slowly he was administrating him asenic in his medications, which was the cause of his deteriorating health and subsequent "madness".

His tomb was opened and his hair was tested and arsenic traces were found...thereby squashing all rumours that this was a lie.

Such information has been hidden all these centuries but it is well known in Russian history and chronicles. You can goggle all you like but you won't find this account in the west. Just another smear campaign that started way back.

During 1918 revolution the Bolsheviks captured Tsar Nikolas and his family and murdered them at the house of Ipatiev in (Sverdlovsk) now Ekaterinburg. The White Army was approaching but Nikolas had approached England, in fact his cousin King George V for help...that help never came despite his personal connection. It was easier for British politicians to ignore it for fear of repercussions. That's British politics at it's worse.

The skeletons in the cupboards of the west are huge and the faith that was placed in us at youth is contaminated with lies. I went to school that is steeped in history of the British Empire. One of our halls is named The Victoria Hall with the roll of honour of  ex scholars that died in wars, stretching from the Native Wars, Boer War (boys on both sides including Boers), Ist and 2nd World Wars. Border war, Rhodesia and Vietnam. All these men are heroes in my book but it is very sad that they never really had complete knowledge ofr what they were fighting for. 

It's politicians that start them albeit it's a tough call and war is certainly not pleasant, although some are deluded to think of it as exciting. But when one is pushed and lied to time and time again, and cheated and lied to time and time again something will explode. The west is self righteous and never listens, tries not to understand the otherside and fights this off with propaganda and lies.

I know Putin has faults but he is not to blame for this. He is a fanatical patriot, an old world loyalist that loves and is proud to be Russian and it's history.

The Bear has been prodded for far too long.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
06 Mar 2022, 18:10
#50
06 Mar 2022, 18:10#50

Tit, there comes a time when you can no longer justify the inexcusable actions of a tyrant and you should rather keep your stupid trap shut. That time has come.

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SebPro2,680 posts
06 Mar 2022, 18:22
#51
06 Mar 2022, 18:22#51

I would enjoy seeing you face to face and shut your interfering tripe once and for all...if you feel so strongly Coward why don't you and Shark go the Ukraine and fight for the Ukrainian rebels...maybe you will learn something about life, instead of pretence behind a keyboard. 


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Mar 2022, 19:01
#52
06 Mar 2022, 19:01#52

Excellent p osts by Seb, Moz, the Org. 

But Stavass and Rooitwit are as usual pathetic. 

The Globalists of the USA and the EU are solely to blame for the, Ukrainian tragedy. 

It would NEVER have happened if the election had not been stolen from President Trump. 

I see the betrayed dope Zelrnsky has now become the EU and Biden's strongest critic. Bwahahahahaha. 

Talk about decit, talk about a monumental betrayal. 

I would far rather have Putin as a leader than the Satanic Globalists of the EU and US. These scumbags want to enslave humanity and cull the herd. They are a mortal enemy of the people if the world. 

Right now they are trying to get rid of non Globalist Putin. It's an attempt at regime  change. They don't control Putin so he must go. 

I see nobody here has posted anything about the role played by George Soros. 



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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
06 Mar 2022, 19:10
#53
06 Mar 2022, 19:10#53

Tit, I know what you Maritzburg College nancy-boys mean when you beg for "face to face" meetings but firstly, I'm not a fag and secondly,  I'm not old enough to be the same matric boy who gave you such a rogering during Orientation week when you were in standard six, so start dealing with the fact that you'll never re-live that particular highlight in your sad and pathetic life.

Stick to your mealy-mouthed and sanctimonious preaching and drinking lots of vodka. Those are at least things you know something about.  You pretending to be a tough guy when we all know what a weak and feeble little loser you are is just plain embarrassing.

You got all that, bible boy?

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
06 Mar 2022, 19:42
#54
06 Mar 2022, 19:42#54

 see nobody here has posted anything about the role played by George Soros. 

LOL, was inevitable you would blame him!

 Welcome back Beeno, j ust hope you don't wear out your caps lock key.

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SebPro2,680 posts
06 Mar 2022, 20:16
#55
06 Mar 2022, 20:16#55

Sir Quentin Smythe VC, Philip Nel, Cecil Payn, George Van Reenen, Keith Oxlee, Butch James, Joel Stransky, Peter Grant, Craig Burden, Jeremy Thomson, Jesse Kriel, Jackie Mc Glew, Jonty Rhodes and Kevin Pietersen...just to mention a few. ...nancy boys...lol...what a good discerner of character you are coward...incredible insight. Pathetic really and very sad...is that your best shot?

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Mar 2022, 21:21
#56
06 Mar 2022, 21:21#56

Stavass I will see if I can find the clip where Soros speaks about his role in the Ukraine and his actions to undermine Russia. 

Soros is one of the most evil men alive. 


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
07 Mar 2022, 09:17
#57
07 Mar 2022, 09:17#57
Rooi, You obviously don’t support Russia in this. Neither do I. Prior to Russia’s invasion, and in the years leading up to this, if you were Putin, what would you have done differently? Every time I try to think of a way Russia could strengthen its relationships with ex USSR regions, I keep running into a trust wall. I don’t know exactly how Poland and pals feel about Russia but I’m thinking there must be a massive and multigenerational trust issue present. And I’m guessing that’s a terrible spot to attempt to build from. I suppose the only answer is for Russia to have kept themselves to themselves for a few more decades, slowly capitalising every time the EU or US screwed up.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Mar 2022, 09:49
#58
07 Mar 2022, 09:49#58
"Prior to Russia’s invasion, and in the years leading up to this, if you were Putin, what would you have done differently?"
That's quite a broad question. Apart from not having days or weeks of free time to properly answer the question, I'm no expert on Russia's post-perestroika history so I don't feel qualified to even attempt an answer . . . but I will mention one thing I would have done differently if I were Putin . . . as much as it benefitted Russia to have an incompetent clown installed as president in the White House, I wouldn't have aimed quite as low as Bozo.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Mar 2022, 12:07
#59
07 Mar 2022, 12:07#59

"Tit, I know what you Maritzburg College nancy-boys mean when you beg for "face to face" meetings but firstly, I'm not a fag and secondly,  I'm not old enough to be the same matric boy who gave you such a rogering during Orientation week when you were in standard six..."

Is that what happened to you, the event that scarred Rudenek forever?...somehow I thought it was something that happened in the army.


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Mar 2022, 13:08
#60
07 Mar 2022, 13:08#60

Another infantile "I'm rubber you're glue, everything you say sticks back to you" response from the Squeaky Toy. 

This is why I was so surprised recently to find out he was in his 50s. I honestly thought he was a late maturing teen.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Mar 2022, 14:28
#61
07 Mar 2022, 14:28#61

Says the "man" who made the childish post I quoted in the first place. Have you no self-awareness whatsoever?

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AJHPro3,183 posts
07 Mar 2022, 18:19
#62
07 Mar 2022, 18:19#62

Maritzburg College was way out of your reach Rooiarse.

Firstly they required a standard of education way beyond your IQ.

Secondly they always had excellent sportsman attend the college and had an excellent sport program so that again rules you out.

Man are you a nasty piece of work with an attitude and no balls.

Oh forgive me I forgot you have a Welsh blood line.

Hopefully you diluted that bloodline with some good all SA blood for the sake of your offspring.

Twat.


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