Most followers believed that Trump would have stay in power, somehow he would prove the voting was a fake election.
A week after Biden has been made president, many are starting to realise they were drawn into a fantasy world. They were duped, and they are starting to realise it.
On the positive side, at least many have acknowledged their errors about the Trump conspiracy and are moving on.
Opposed to the SJW snowflakes 4 years ago?...remember the.?
SB
Many Americas now realize that they are indeed with Biden as President in deep shit. His first week in office was a disaster costing 11000 people their jobs in one project alone.
The media will sweet talk Biden or his full term otherwise people would find out that they f#cked up in supporting him based on media misrepresentations, But the people are already realizing that he is a disaster as President.
He made the ‘responsibly decision to tackle the very serious issue of climate change’. The word is ‘responsible’.
As for the decision, more Leftie nonsense.....Richard Branson will continue to fly alone in his jet preaching about Climate change, the USA goes back to the Paris accord which allows China pour out the carbon, natural gas a very good short term fuel is hampered and the real answer to a small problem, nuclear, is ignored.
If climate change was an ‘existential threat’ as the left keeps shouting, none of those things would be happening,
Spot on Saffex...my thoughts exactly. What a display of childish undeveloped behaviour from Public "cloned" thought patterns. The big question is ??? Do these individuals have a life???
It certainly appears that they don't.
When you live in a country like mine so deeply entrenched by lies, manipulation and downright dishonest and criminal theft , you don't try and take the speck out of other countries eyes when there is a log in your own. Fix your own back yard first before you tell others how to fix theirs. Get your house in order first and yes charity begins at home...
It is a major issue for the entire world that will have huge ramifications for this planet. But there is still vested interests actively opposing it and spreading disinformation.
@Saffex
Well I take your point that this forum goes on a lot about Biden and Trump. I don't start these threads and have no interest in coming on and mocking people for supporting one side or the other. But this is an interest discussion forum we are free to discuss and debate whatever we want. If you're not interested in what's been discussed you don't have to read the posts.
If you think we should only discuss topics relevant to the countries we live, why where you talking about the Pro 14/Rainbow Cup in another thread in the rugby. As someone in the UK it has nothing to do with you right?
Aside's from this I would argue that something like climate change does effect everyone and America's policies towards climate change has an effect on it.
The UK does have more relevance to me than the UK does, as being our closest neighbor and largest trading partner, what happens in the UK often has effects over here, like Brexit.
As for Johnson I reckon he's just a more polite version of Trump, I think his handling of the pandemic has been pretty awful so far . I also reckon now that he's delivered Brexit the party will dump him later this year.
Q has been quiet since December 9th. It was a Trump psyop that worked quite well...will be interesting to see what's next...things are far from over.
Stay tuned sharkshit.
Please to note that you often include me in posting when I have not added a comment.
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@Saffex
Crikey you're one aggressive poster. Do you actually speak to people face to face like this?
Why am I stupid for thinking that?, its actually quite a common held view. From a political perspective they are both quite far to the right. I think on the political right in the UK many found Trump's policies appealing, they just disliked the man's personality.
Whether you like or not or whether you care or not, America is singly the most powerful nation in the world and it does have considerable influence on world events, and the American president has considerable power and influence as well, so the idea that the the American President has no relevance to anyone outside the US doesn't hold much water.
Again no ones making you read these posts, you can just ignore, but this is an internet discussion forum so you can drop the holier than thou act.
Climate change comes up plenty on this forum. Pretty much the single most important issue of our lifetime. So sure its a pretty good topic to discuss.
From like I dunno...reality perhaps?. I've seen the comparison made on Irish, UK, European and American news sources, as well as in day to day discussion with people and on other internet forums that discuss. To me they are very similar, far right wing populist leaders, with a propensity for lying, distraction, exaggeration, blaming other countries or immigration for its own problems and leads an administration that lurches from one disaster to another. And if you're going start going on about how I shouldn't be listening to left wing wing propaganda, save it I don't want to hear it. I've seen more both Johnson and Trump praise each other enough to know they quite similar views on many thing. Sorry if you're a Johnson supporter and a comparison to Trump makes you feel uncomfortable but the truth doesn't care for your feelings.
Well if you don't think America is relevant to you, fine that's your prerogative, don't know why you feel the need to come on here and act superio r, that's every bit as sad as what you're complaining about.
I can't imagine you being too popular a person, if you can't hold a polite discussion with people. Do you think what you said is some sort of admirable attribute?
Well, I can attest to the fact that Saffex is a very nice person away from this board, he’s very friendly and extremely polite. He also has a very naughty sense of humour.....
As for Boris and Trump....no, they are nothing alike. For some reason it has been seen as the ultimate insult to liken someone to Trump and that’s really why certain people seem to pin that label on Boris Johnson. It’s all a bit sad really.
Anger I’m not talking about Branson as an individual....but a type. One of the elites who travel the world while telling others to watch their carbon footprints They drive Teslas but fly to Europe 6 times a year, my neighbors include many of these hypocrites.
As you know, I don’t accept Climate Change is an existential threat, or any threat at all. The changes in glaciers and polar ice have been going on long before carbon increased significantly.
And the temperature changes are so small, they are almost impossible to tease out of natural variation. Especially since the data is constantly being changed.
The 90s hockey stick is no different to the 30s hockey stick when carbon hadn’t changed significantly. And who knows if 2 degrees C would make things worse, we know 2 degrees lower has plunged the world into population declines.
I am all for being economical with oil, because without oil we do have an existential event. And I’m all for nuclear because it is the most efficient form of power in the universe, and has provided vast amounts of energy safely. The waste issue pails in comparison to the battery waste issue we will be facing.
If you think ‘clean power’ is clean look at planet of Humans by Michael Moore. Yes it has been heavily criticized by renewable advocates, but many of the facts are compelling.
After the Covid data debacle and the anointing of an ineffective drug like remdesivir by statistical study, surely it’s time for you to accept everything you read that’s proven with statistics isn’t necessarily true.
Well becs, he may very well be a nice person in real life, but his posting manner is extremely aggressive, but then again its not uncommon for people are far more aggressive online to people when they don't have to look a person in the eye.
I stand by my comparison of Johnson to Trump, I see a huge amount of similarities and I'm far from the only who does. If you don't agree with that assessment that's okay we can either debate it or just agree to disagree without needing to call each other stupid.
Your right when you say many consider it a insult to be compared to Trump.
Saffex
Threatening violence and throwing out more insults says more about your character than mine.I actually don't bang on about Trump all day but whatever.And I have a life, one that doesn't involve getting angry with randoms strangers on the internet.Take care now.I still need someone that explain to me how putting CO2 back into the atmosphere(where it was) is a bad thing when that CO2 will promote greater plant growth, on land and in the sea, resulting in more O2 and thus a thicker/broader atmosphere.
Any takers?
I thought you where done responding to me?
I think you're angry because its the impression you have given me.
Basically you came on to this thread, calling everyone sad for discussing topics you have no interest in and think people should only discuss topics that relate to the country they live in and also offered an opinion on Johnson, I merely pointed out it this an internet discussion forum and this section of the forum primarily relates to politics and American politics do have an impact outside of America hence we are perfectly entitled to discuss American politics and no one was making you read these posts. Also offered my opinion on Johnson.
You then just starting throw insults at me, calling me stupid and ignorant, no discussion, no debate, no back and forth with different viewpoints, just straight to insults and eventually saying if I was around you in person you would punch me. If you can't see how that one give some one the impression of anger well I don't know what to say other than that's not normal behavior. Do you threaten to punch people that you like or are ambivalent about or people you barely know?
Maybe this is a cultural thing where people from South Africa are pretty abrasive to one another in conversation but its done more of a light hearted joke that's not meant to be take seriously, but on internet discussion form to someone not in the know it just come across as typical alpha-male chest beating shite that the internet is so full of.
Anyway I doubt this going anywhere, so lets just draw a line under this and move on. If you want to debate topics with me, fine no problem just keep it civil and don't send insults my way. If you don't that's also no problem, just ignore my posts like I do with Beeno's.
Anger I’m not talking about Branson as an individual....but a type. One of the elites who travel the world while telling others to watch their carbon footprints They drive Teslas but fly to Europe 6 times a year, my neighbors include many of these hypocrites.
Branson and his ilk may do other work in the field of climate change that more than compensates for the emission of their planes. Regardless if the rich are being hypocrites on this issue or setting a bad example, it does not excuse in action from the major world polluters. By all mean's call the hypocrisy out, but two wrongs don't make a right.
We have over the climate change debate back and forth several times. I don't think either of us is going change the others mind. However just on the topic of Biden where Clevermike was saying he was a disaster in his first week. I don't think there is anything Biden did in his first week that would of caused his support base to change their minds at all. Most of Biden's supporters support action on climate change. Even if it does mean job losses to the people who where working on that pipeline, his supporters would been of those opinion that those 11,000 jobs have to be sacrificed for the greater good and those jobs should never have created in the oil industry in the first place but should have been created in the green economy.
The thing about climate change, is that's hard to percieve by the general public and decision on climate change can takes years before they have an effect but the majority do realize is a major issue that needs to be tackled urgently even if results are not immediately apparent. Ultimately Biden's success as a President will be judged on his handling of the pandemic and the economy and you can't really judge him on that so soon into his presidency. His handling of the climate crisis is something that will be judged more long term.
Plum
The benefits of increased plant life on earth due to global warming are known about already. They are just massively outweighed by all the other negative effects of climate changes.
Stav
Is climate change actually not a normal cycle in weather conditions? I do not know and neither does most of the people in the world.
Si what next .- the leading polluters are China and India - so what are they going to do about it, ZERO that will effect the economies of their countries, I am not happy to pay higher prices for things because of climate change and what the aim is to provide Government transport and discourage private vehicle ownership or make it totally unaffordable.
To meet the public transport requirements will cost trillions and who will be the sufferers - the taxpayers of the country, If you think that 11 000 jobs can be sacrificed on one project is fine - then what about the thousands of other projects that will inevitably be affected. That will affect millions of jobs.
For me the idea is for Government to spent trillions and for the wealthy to benefit from it - the ordinary taxpayers pay - the Governments waste the money they collected. Why does Government projects cost 50% more than what private enterprise would be spending on similar projects. The answer is simple - incompetence of public servants worldwide.
The more Government interfere in economies the poorer the people become and the wealthier the politicos and their business friends become. Obama is typical example - when he became Senator declared his assets as $100 000 - four years later when he became President he declared his assets at $3,5 million, When he left the Presidency he went on a home buying spree spending $32 million on five luxury homes in various parts of the USA.
Can Bid en be trusted to be honest - not on your life. He will do things that financially benefit him and his family and the biggest sidespin will be through climate change measures. I do not trust any politicians - least of all Biden .
Stavanger, I didn’t call you stupid, I said it was quite sad that certain people are so fixated on Trump that they have to reference him at any point when they wish to insult another human being, in this instance it’s Boris Johnson.
On another note, it’s lovely to see the wonderful EU sabre rattling over vaccines and trying to throw their weight around in their nasty, protectionist way.
Yes Climate Change is hard to perceive which begs it’s own question. Words are bandied about indiscriminately. Take ‘existential’ it’s used in the sense of ‘very bad’. But that’s not it’s meaning.....’existential’ means a threat to our very existence.
If the politician scientists really believed that they would be looking at any means to solve the problem, which would lead them rapidly to nuclear....an energy source that mostly in a 1950s and 60s form, has been very safe.
Sure there would always be some risk. But if we poured the money into it that we are investing into wind and solar, we could make it very safe. And other than God’s gift, hydroelectric, there is no form of energy with a lower carbon footprint.
Instead we continue to pretend that man’s vast activities could be fueled by wind and solar, which would never even come into existence at the right scale but for carbon and add only marginally to the carbon energy they use.
That’s why a farce like the Paris Climate Accord which only changes the projected 2100 temperatures by a fraction of a degree should not be supported. Gas and nuclear could put this hyped issue in the rear view mirror,
becs, I should of worded that better. I didn't mean to imply you where calling me stupid, I was referring to Saffex.
I think Johnson/Trump comparison is fair, but I did add in the caveat that Johnson is a lot better mannered than Trump.
As for the EU's actions on Friday, they absolutely scored an own goal with their threat to evoke article 16 of the Brexit deal. It was a rash ill thought out idea that thankfully they rolled back on within a few hours after pressure came from within the EU, most likely when the Irish Prime Minister rang the EU commission and politely said WTF guys. Absolutely the EU is protectionist, I don't mind that because as an EU citizen their usually protecting my interests when they do so.
But if you think that's nasty surely the UK was equally nasty to the EU when it banned medical treatments used to treat patients ill with Covid-19 from leaving the UK. At the end of the day the reasons both sides are doing these things for the same reason, putting the lives of its citizens above the lives of people living in different countries. You can't criticize one without criticizing the other.
Secondly while I don't like to bring up whataboutism's but the UK threatened to evoke article 16 just two weeks ago albeit for different reasons.
I’m fussed by Article 16. What does bother me is the hypocrisy surrounding the EU and their constant cry of “ no hard border “.....until they threaten one simply because they have failed to plan a vaccine roll out adequately. That’s the sort of petty mindedness I can not abide.
They clearly didn’t care that much for the population of the EU because they failed to adequately protect them and that’s something the UK shouldn’t be penalised for. Thankfully it seems the Govt has just about got things right so far.
Ireland has done well from the EU, other countries not so much. The equality within the bloc is sadly lacking.
Ireland has indeed done very well out of EU membership, though whether its done the best is debate-able.
Pretty sure Brexiteers having by moaning for years that the Germans and French where reaping all the benefits from the EU, now your complaining that its the poorer countries that are benefiting and that EU taxes (it doesn't charge taxes, it charges membership fees) should not be spent on developing these countries infrastructure?
The UK is far from clean on the tax avoidance front, so it's in no real position to criticize other states. Still even if Ireland did give illegal state aid, and note Ireland won its appeal against the EU so currently is not liable for anything, the amount of money Ireland and Apple potentially took away from the UK is pennants compared to that the UK has lost by leaving the EU.
You sound like you're looking around for reasons to support Brexit but all the standard reasons given by Brexiteers have been proven to be a load of cobblers.
Go look at the news and see how disastrous Brexit has been so far for the likes of fishing and haulage industry, the complaints from numerous business drowning under red tape, the extra cost and the mounds of food being left to rot. Of course Brexiteers will jump on the EU apparent slowness with its vaccination programe as vindication of their position to distract from there own mess but the UK was able to chart its own course on the vaccination programmer while being a de-facto member of the EU during the transition phase, each member state could of chosen to do the same but opted to allow the EU to handle it, with the exception of Hungary I believe opted to do their own thing like the UK so the UK could still be a member of the EU and still have been able to be ahead of the rest of the EU in terms of its vaccine role out.
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Star,
As far as nuclear energy goes, Moz could not be more correct.
When you look at the massive positives and weigh them against the negatives, it's entirely illogical, particularly with present technology, for society not to be moving towards nuclear if we are truly that concerned about climate change.
Cui bono?
...As usual.
@shark
Ah here shark would you stop, the UK is arguably the worst in the world for tax avoidance.
Asides from which there is plenty of it in other EU countries. If the EU was to kick Ireland out over that it would end up kicking out loads of other members states as well.
The claim that most or Irelands economy is based on fraud is frankly bullshit.
I'm not justifying the Ireland/Apple deal but stop looking for nonsensical excuses to justify Brexit.
Also politically the UK won't be in a position to rejoin the EU in five years, its at least 10 years away at the earliest. If they do decide to rejoin, it will likely be on terms less favorable than it had previously, like being required to join the eurozone.
So their are countries in the world with political crooks in charge. I rate Biden to be on par with the previous SA president Jacob Zuma - both enriched themselves and their families looting their countries resources through bribery and corruption/
Jislaaik ouMaaik, you've Biden right up there, alongside the Steyns, Heyneke & Alberts
@Stav, I read that article and it appears to be in line with my thoughts, namely to have a global tax standard which will prevent the richest 5% of each population from doing tax fraud.
This will also stop the corporates using countries with allow little to no tax.
The UK is also guilty of it (in other countries), but they are not a tax haven themselves.