Question.....Invade with boots on the ground

There are many things I don't like about this war, but I still agree that it had to happen at some point

Trump has been exposed for not planning properly for certain responses from Iran, and I know that you can never really plan for any eventuality in a war, but that is also why I mentioned recently that Trump should have included NATO beforehand, in his plans to attack Iran, before doing anything, because I can only imagine that someone within NATO, could or would have possibly brought up the Strait of Hormuz as a serious problem or concern, before the war even started, which could have led to other considerations, suggestions or ideas on how to counter that, before attacking Iran.

Besides that, it was the right and respectful thing to do considering Trump started the war without informing anyone in NATO up front, but then demanded assistance from them afterwards.

Trump has been exposed for not planning properly for certain responses from Iran,

It's not just missing a certain response...it's missing 'the response' that analysists the world over have for years predicted was the extremely likely response from Iran. It was a reaction any competent government would of seen coming a mile off.

but that is also why I mentioned recently that Trump should have included NATO beforehand, in his plans to attack Iran, before doing anything, because I can only imagine that someone within NATO, could or would have possibly brought up the Strait of Hormuz as a serious problem or concern, before the war even started, which could have led to other considerations, suggestions or ideas on how to counter that, before attacking Iran.

No there is not a snow balls chance in hell that the US military or US intelligence would need to be be told by someone from NATO that blocking the Straights of Hormuz was a likely Iranian response to be being attacked on the scale the US and Israel were about to attack them with.

Besides that, it was the right and respectful thing to do considering Trump started the war without informing anyone in NATO up front, but then demanded assistance from them afterwards.

He wouldn't have got NATO involved anyway. None of the other countries would have found the evidence warranted an attack on Iran. It's not like 9/11 where NATO came to together to aid America after it was attacked. With this war America is the aggressor.

Bozo (and the world) is paying the price for Bozo surrounding himself with fawning sycophants rather than people who are actually qualified for the job.

This is evident from the poor planning of this war (Just think Bozo and Hegsuck whining that no-one knew Iran would close the Straits or fire on their neighbours . . . when anyone with the slightest understanding of Iran or past history could have told these two clowns that's exactly what would have happened) and also from the weak negotiations. Bozo's "negotiaters" are his real-estate buddy and his son-in-law.

Grovelling yes-men who haven't got the first clue what they're doing. Sucking up is the only thing they're good at.

Yes, this was unbelievably stupid - and shows that Trump and his sycophantic toadies do not know what they are doing. He has appointed yes-men and business associates, instead of the best men in the government. His first administration had far more capable and ethical conservatives than those in place now.

Trump is panicking as the midterms draw near, and he could lose both the House and the Senate. He has pushed up the price of oil in the US, and inflation looks like it is increasing once again.

Making comments like he is just going to take all of Iran's oil, and putting photos on social media of the Straits being renamed to the Straits of Trump, is just going to make Iranians go crazy.

The terms for surrender that Trump offered are just not something that any country would take until it looks like the Gaza Strip - a blown up reckage.

Even if Trump had realised his military goals, that would just be back to the Obama deal.

So the war will be deemed a failure. It will encourage Iran to get a Nuke, and they will certainly increase their drone manufacturing capacity.

More countries will know they need nukes to be safe from an increasingly militant America, causing a nuclear arms race. Trump could potentially use the threat of nuclear war against unarmed countries, instead of using tariffs to gain favourable trade deals

So the world is worse off now than it was. It is no surprise that Trump's strongest support is from the uninformed and uneducated.

Whenever the Middle East is attacked by the West, it just makes them more radical.

Like I said from the outset, it is best to leave the Middle East and try not to get involved. Green energy will soon compete with fossil energy, so we will have less dependane on the Middle East.

No there is not a snow balls chance in hell that the US military or US intelligence would need to be be told by someone from NATO that blocking the Straights of Hormuz was a likely Iranian response to be being attacked on the scale the US and Israel were about to attack them with

I agree with you, you would think not, especially with their vast intelligence services as well as the Israeli's assisting them and also Iran's history of conflict from the past.... but then you are basically saying that the US deliberately went ahead and started this war with Iran, knowing full well what would happen with the Straits of Hormuz... without planning anything at all to counter that response from Iran, just because they wanted this war with Iran .....

He wouldn't have got NATO involved anyway. None of the other countries would have found the evidence warranted an attack on Iran

That is very possible, but then again, if Trump went into this war with his own top secret reasons, then sharing those reasons with NATO "may" have changed their reasons or attitude towards a war with Iran..... and no, we will both never know the real answer to that for sure, but we cannot categorically say it couldn't or wouldn't happen.

Trump was wrong for not even informing anyone at NATO of what he wanted to do by attacking Iran, never mind also wanting to include them beforehand.

The Big question is, where does this leave Israel? If America ends the war against Iran, will Israel continue attacking?

Israel has relied on support from the West, and a major reason why the Middle East has not united in a war against Israel (which they would win easily due to sheer numbers - Israel is a small country, something like 12 million people). Countries may be less inclined to help Israel given what they have done to Gaza, and now to other Arab countries.

Bibi and Bozo have different objectives. Bibi wants regime change and Bozo wants to control the oil.

Frankly I don't see either one getting what he wants.

I don't think he wants to control the oil, he just doesn't want a manipulated oil market where China and their cronies can buy sanctioned oil at a massive discount...a fair open market, hence the lifted sanctions. Sanctions had the opposite effect than intended...give all the rogue countries an edge while the West got the punishment at the pump.

I don't think he wants to control the oil, he just doesn't want a manipulated oil market where China and their cronies can buy sanctioned oil at a massive discount...a fair open market, hence the lifted sanctions. Sanctions had the opposite effect than intended...give all the rogue countries an edge while the West got the punishment at the pump

I agree

America can put sanctions on oil if they want, but they cant force other countries to follow sanctions that are only legal within the borders of America. He could ask another country to honour the tariffs, but the final choice belongs to that country.

Trump also lost his main tariff power recently, so he has less leverage to use secondary sanctions.

I agree with you, you would think not, especially with their vast intelligence services as well as the Israeli's assisting them and also Iran's history of conflict from the past.... but then you are basically saying that the US deliberately went ahead and started this war with Iran, knowing full well what would happen with the Straits of Hormuz... without planning anything at all to counter that response from Iran, just because they wanted this war with Iran .....

No I don't think it was Trump's intention. I think the military and intelligence services would have likely spoken up and passed their assessments up the chain of command...whether it reached Trump or not is another thing...but I suspect it did. What I expect happened was that another set of advisors gave him a totally optimistic best case scenario that this would be a quick and easy operation, drop a few bombs the Iranian's will run to the negotiation table, it will be just like Venezuela. Still on a high from the the success of the Venezuela option that is the scenario he wanted to believe so he chose it.

That is very possible, but then again, if Trump went into this war with his own top secret reasons, then sharing those reasons with NATO "may" have changed their reasons or attitude towards a war with Iran..... and no, we will both never know the real answer to that for sure, but we cannot categorically say it couldn't or wouldn't happen.

Trump was wrong for not even informing anyone at NATO of what he wanted to do by attacking Iran, never mind also wanting to include them beforehand.

If he went into the war with his own top secret reasons...then the intelligence services and members of intelligence committees would have long since come out and said the reason's exist, we just can't share what they are at this time. If such intelligence existed...it's like allied intelligence services would also have been able to corroborate the intelligence at least to some degree. Also if such intelligence existed...do you really think a country like Britain couldn't be trusted to share the intelligence with.

The far more likely explanation is no such top secret reasons exist.

I don't think he wants to control the oil, he just doesn't want a manipulated oil market where China and their cronies can buy sanctioned oil at a massive discount...a fair open market, hence the lifted sanctions. Sanctions had the opposite effect than intended...give all the rogue countries an edge while the West got the punishment at the pump.

The oil markets were doing just fine before Trump's little escapade. The straight was fully open, global supply was normal and volatility was low. There was no expectation or reason to believe Iran would of just shut the Straights of Hormuz if not but for this war.

What I expect happened was that another set of advisors gave him a totally optimistic best case scenario that this would be a quick and easy operation, drop a few bombs the Iranian's will run to the negotiation table, it will be just like Venezuela. Still on a high from the the success of the Venezuela option that is the scenario he wanted to believe so he chose it.

Agreed. Trump believed that bombing the crap out of Iran would deliver easy pickings not dissimilar to Venezuela.

"The oil markets were doing just fine before Trump's little escapade. "

No, it wasn't...China and a few countries got sanctioned oil at a massive discount ...

@Draad, do you realise that Trump is only the president of America - and not the World?

I would have liked all of the world to sanction Russian oil when Russia invaded Ukraine-- but that choice belongs to them.

Reselling Russian oil pretending it was other oil was a problem because we can choose what oil we want to buy, not what others want to buy.

No, it wasn't...China and a few countries got sanctioned oil at a massive discount ...

Which had the effect of lowering the global price of oil and was actually considered to have a major stabilizing effect on the global oil markets.

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