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 I know that there is a Right and a Wrong...yes, religion gets it wrong lots of time, but that doesn't make everything BS,....you. better pick the right side...

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You are contracting yourself. You are saying that truth is relative because religion is wrong lots of the time. Then you say everything is either good or bad (absolute truth)...

We live in a world of relative truth, not absolute - at least if something can't be proven as fact. 
Most people are a mix of good and bad- except for the likes of Hitler, Putin etc.

Religious brainwashing is Absolute Truth... This is why these people are intellectually inferior. 
How many religious people in the 21st century are smart- compared to the greatest minds on the planet that are atheist or anti-theist? Is this a coincidence? 

This is an example of religious brainwashing...

https://www.christianity.com/wiki/christian-life/what-is-the-difference-between-absolute-truth-and-relative-truth.html

Religions have a faith-based reality that confuses opinion with fact.
Getting into heaven is based on faith in a false God, instead of using reasoning like proof given to you by nature or by self-improvement through honesty.
Thinking things that are subjective are absolute It is lying to yourself and bending data to suit your beliefs
That is why these people are so dogmatic and one-dimensional. 

The story of Noah (or Abraham?) being told by God to sacrifice his child is a perfect example of brainwashing. 
Sacrificing his kid would be wrong, but if God says it is right- then a religious person thinks it is right. That is how a church minister gets people. 

So here we go again.  because I do not support absolutism and believe that people should have the right to decide for themselves what they think is best for them - I get attacked by the absolutists who think only they have the right to prescribe what people may think in life and may not think.

The attackers think if anyone disagrees with them on anything you are a traitor against their world view.   They attack anyone who believes in democracy and freedom of the people with jargon that Hitler, Stalin and Mao would have been proud of.  

Most of them has the idea that the leftist and woke culture should be the norm with a believe that culture and history are abominations.   Hate-mongering often based on media lies and conspiracy theories is to be used to prove that they are correct and everyone else is wrong.   For them facts are the garbage they spun.   An example is for instance the Clinton and Democratic Party lies about Russian Collusion between Putin and Trump - even when it became clear that there were zero truth to it.   They support absolute control of lives of people on a daily basis and anybody against it is a reactionary to be demonized.

They believe in everything the media say must be the norm and they do not realize they are brainwashed totally and if one tries to reason with them they show the intellect of a plank.            

1 The church's one Foundation
is Jesus Christ her Lord;
she is His new creation,
by water and the Word;
from heav'n He came and sought her
to be His holy bride;
with His own blood He bought her,
and for her life He died.

2 Elect from ev'ry nation,
yet one o'er all the earth,
her charter of salvation,
one Lord, one faith, one birth;
one holy Name she blesses,
partakes one holy food,
and to one hope she presses,
with ev'ry grace endued.

3 Tho' with a scornful wonder,
men see her sore oppressed,
by schisms rent asunder,
by heresies distressed,
yet saints their watch are keeping,
their cry goes up, "How long?"
And soon the night of weeping
shall be the morn of song.

4 The church shall never perish!
Her dear Lord, to defend,
to guide, sustain, and cherish,
is with her to the end;
tho' there be those that hate her
and false sons in her pale,
against the foe or traitor
she ever shall prevail.

5 'Mid toil and tribulation,
and tumult of her war,
she waits the consummation
of peace for evermore;
till with the vision glorious
her longing eyes are blest,
and the great church victorious
shall be the church at rest.

6 Yet she on earth hath union
with God the Three in One,
and mystic sweet communion
with those whose rest is won.
O happy ones and holy!
Lord, give us grace that we,
like them, the meek and lowly,
on high may dwell with Thee.

Grow up

I think Bend-over is just pretending to sound this sanctimonious and judgmental. Surely no-one is really that self-righteous and blinkered at the same time . . . apart from Baboon-ou of course but that goes without saying.

Bend-over is just a troll trying to wind the non-believers up. The fact that he thinks "Atheism" is some kind of organized counter-religion is the first red flag. I mean really, is it even possible someone could be so naive and unworldly?

Hymn written by SJ Stone in the good ole RSA 1860.Thanx for asking. 

"Then you say everything is either good or bad (absolute truth)..."

No, I said there's a Right and a Wrong...and you better pick the Right side. Forget about religion, listen to your conscience...follow your conscience and try to do the right thing.

"....and hates the remains 7 billion so much he wants to torture them for eternity (not to mention the billions of people that existed before your wacky religion turned up 2000 years ago)..."

I don't believe that at all...

CF

So dumb Mike why don't you hate Trump equally?

The answer is simple - nothing alleged against Trump has ever been proven - media stories are no proof .   Ever since 2015 the media was on the attack against him and the FBI tried everything they could to nail him.   He has been investigated by Special Council Mueller and he found NOTHING,   He is now again being investigated by a Special Council and if the latter found anything he should be charged - but I think it is just a further witch hunt that will get nowhere,

Any real proof of Trump corruption I will accept a court decision and I will hate him as well.

In the case of Biden he bragged publicly in a video how he blackmailed the Ukraine Government into firing a Prosecutor who were investigating Burisma for bribery and corruption.   That was after the home and office of the oligarch owner was raided.   That was too mu8ch for both Obama and Biden - whose son was appointed on the Board of Burisma and was paid monthly for non-existent services he rendered to Burisma.    What happened subsequent to the raid was interesting - the owner phoned Obama and Biden phoned him three times in two weeks.   The problem was that Pelosi's son Paul was in the scam as well - so everything possible was to be done to stop the investigation 

The Ukraine President as worried about stopping the investigation and delayed taking action against the Prosecutor concerned and Biden went off to Ukraine and threatened them to stop a loan guarantee of $1 BILLION would not be provided by the USA if the prosecutor was not fired within 6 hours.    It was so blatant Biden bragged on a video that he ended the investigation.  

When Rooinek and SB get cornered they have always thought of how to change the subject - so  they ran to religion as an escape mechanism knowing nothing about it other than conspiracy theories.  They also oppose anybody opposed to their BS as adherents to all kinds of undesirables - even when they have no proof to support their total BS.  That is the idiot way to do what they in fact do 

So why does he send non believers and followers of the wrong religions to hell?

He has a choice not to send me there even if I did not believe in him, or are you saying no one goes to hell as he is too good to do that. If that is the case why do all christian denominations say it or is that just a lie they tell to try and get people to believe?

And I have news for you (well more moonrover as you are one of the more sane believers) Atheists have morals and a lot are good people. You would have a case if all Atheists were bad and all Christians were good but we all know being a Christians does not make you a good person.

Tell you what the day every Christian person is singing of the same song sheet (we all know that will never happen) I will concede that you might be onto something.

Really you would think your mighty good would be able to put out a vastly superior book which clearly stated his position and leave little or no room for people to make vastly different interpretations of what he means  

Don't worry CF your unbelief is just a phase. 

You'll mature and grow out of it. 

When you were 3 years old, you believed in Santa. However, no matter how much you believed - you grew up and learnt that Santa does not actually exist...

The common denominator amongst the stupid on this forum is that they are religious. All the non-religious can see that from atheists to anti-theist. Even those that are truly agnostic can see that. 

Is atheism true!?

The agnostic has integrity whereas the atheist just supplies immature responses such as Sharkbib here. 

The guy that believes fairy tales are true telling others to be mature bwahahaha you can't make this shit up

And of course Atheism is true, hell even you're a Atheist when it comes to all the other made up gods that you don't accept.

That is probably why all your posts are immature responses.

Try actually engaging your brain sometime (if you have one) 

"So why does he send non believers and followers of the wrong religions to hell?"

I haven't seen Him condemn anyone to Hell, have you?

A beautiful hymn MR…..magnificent words. Up till the 16th century almost all art, music and poetry had religious origins. As did architecture, medicine and science.

The reason we aren’t all part  of different roving groups of marauders, is religion. It provided the possible punishment that tempered behaviour. Building and living around cathedrals gathered together medical knowledge, scientific knowledge, the arts.

The idea that without this discipline that tamed the predatory instincts of primitive man, we would be where we are, is naive. The real question is whether man is so evolved that in a world without religion he can maintain a moral stance and support the rule of law. The godless Putin isn’t a great example.

Belief in a deity is more challenging in a world ruled by science. The historical facts in all religions have been discredited. But those books were penned by primitive man…inspired or not. Do their mistakes disprove anything?

Then there is the incredible fact of existence. The odds of you as an individual existing are less than 1 in 100 billion, even taking the year zero as a given. And every time science peels back a layer, there is another layer to explain. Why do we exist? Is there any point to anything we do. Are all the norms we get excited about at all important. Does anything matter?

Without religion it’s hard to see any coherence in all this. And so we are all driven back to the micro….our children, friends, jobs, pleasures.

I’ve said this before, without any answers the scientist’s view on these matters is no more credible than the spiritual layman. People should be able to believe what they will. And if in their passion they want proselytize, so what? Is the disbelief so fragile that it can’t accept any challenge.

By the same token, attempts to impose a particular belief through sanctions, as in the case of Islam, is similarly repugnant.

The point is we should be able to accommodate different views on religion and understand the role it has played historically in making us who we are,

"The real question is whether man is so evolved that in a world without religion he can maintain a moral stance and support the rule of law. The godless Putin isn’t a great example."

"The point is we should be able to accommodate different views on religion and understand the role it has played historically in making us who we are."

Very well said...like it or not, true or not, it brought us to where we are and the positives far outweigh the negatives.

I haven't seen your god do anything what so ever, I am just working of you religious nutters claims. 

Can't any of you get your story straight? F or 50 years you lot have been telling me as a non believer I am going straight to hell now you tell me your god doesn't do that.

No wonder us sane ones think your religion is fuckin nuts

People like SB has a shocking lack of knowledge of history.   The fall of the Western Empire was NOT caused by becoming Christianized - it was caused by a movement of people into Europe - eg Atilla the Hun - and numerous other invasions.    The fact is that even the Roman army became Germanized and Rome was a cesspool of intrigue and corruption that weakened the structure of the Empire.  Some of the Emperors were in fact Germans - especially after continuous civil wars in what was then called the Western Empire.   

Rome was such a cesspool that after the Constantine era the Emperors in the main did not live in Rome itself - they moved to Ravenna - some even lived in centers outside of Italy.  When the German barbaric king Odoacer conquered Rome in 476 AD he was offered the position as Emperor - but declined it and moved on to what is today Spain.   The real disaster for the empire started in 376 when Germans fleeing from Atilla moved into the Western Roman Empire and the influence of the Roman Empire became dependent on what was called the Barbariians.    .       

Rome was not even the capital of the Empire anymore - the Roman Emperor Constantine moved the capital to Constantinople - today Istanbul - in 306 AD and the empire after 376 was not a united empire anymore.    The Eastern Empire in Constantinople was Christianized and lasted until 1452 AD, when the Ottomans operating from the Balkan area formed an alliance with the Turks that originally came from the area that today is called Turkmenistan in central Asia,  conquered the city and renamed it to Istanbul - the hive of most scientific development in the world at the time.   

It was at that stage that the Arabic numerical system - still used at present - was introduced by the Eastern Empire.    Where the Eastern Roman Empire was Christian in nature - the Ottomans were Islamic Adherents.   Incidentally the Barbaric conquerors of Rome had their own religion - namely the same as the later Vikings had.   The following may help you a bit:-

The fall of the Western Roman Empire (also called the fall of the Roman Empire or the fall of Rome) was the loss of central political control in the Western Roman Empire, a process in which the Empire failed to enforce its rule, and its vast territory was divided into several successor polities. The Roman Empire lost the strengths that had allowed it to exercise effective control over its Western provinces; modern historians posit factors including the effectiveness and numbers of the army, the health and numbers of the Roman population, the strength of the economy, the competence of the emperors, the internal struggles for power, the religious changes of the period, and the efficiency of the civil administration. Increasing pressure from invading barbarians outside Roman culture also contributed greatly to the collapse. Climatic changes and both endemic and epidemic disease drove many of these immediate factors.[1] The reasons for the collapse are major subjects of the historiography of the ancient world and they inform much modern discourse on state failure.[2][3][4]

In 376, unmanageable numbers of Goths and other non-Roman people, fleeing from the Huns, entered the Empire. In 395, after winning two destructive civil wars, Theodosius I died, leaving a collapsing field army, and the Empire, still plagued by Goths, divided between the warring ministers of his two incapable sons. Further barbarian groups crossed the Rhine and other frontiers and, like the Goths, were not exterminated, expelled or subjugated. The armed forces of the Western Empire became few and ineffective, and despite brief recoveries under able leaders, central rule was never effectively consolidated."

Religious changes did NOT come from Christians only - it came from other religious changes as well.   Those were basic to changes from ancient Roman religious beliefs to German and Gallic religions.     

DumbMike, do you think the Roman Empire who conquered the whole known world, would get beaten by some savage tribe from Germany - if they were still great?

No, the corruption set in once the Roman empire became Christian.
The rot took around 50-100 years, by which time society had degraded so much- that even some savages were able to defeat the former great Roman Empire.

At its peak, the Roman Empire could not be conquered by anyone- let alone savages.
It was only when Christianity destroyed their society, was it possible for them to be beaten.

You can copy and paste Historical facts, but you can't interpret history. 
Christianity coincided with the decline of Ancient Romans, which ultimately led to the downfall of the Roman Empire. If it was not the savages in Germany, it would have been someone else. 

SB

I am not an idiot like you with a simplistic reasoning like you did.  the Ancient Roman Empire at its greatest time in history based their religion on the Greek one.   There always was religious practices in the ancient world and the fact is that Christanity took over most of the Roman Empire had nothing to do with Christianity as a religion. 

Just to inform you piss-brain the Roman Empire was not the only Empire in history destroyed by the same factors as was found in the case of the Roman Empire - namely moral decline leading to maladministration - poor leadership and division in such leadership - decline in the strength of the military - economic collapse and pandemics and diseases.   

So lets get a list of those:-

Before the fall of the Western Roman Empire

*    The ancient Chinese Empire

*     The Egyptian Empire

*    The Persian Empire

*     the Geeek Empire under Alecxander 

After the fall of the Western Roman  Empire

*     The Mongol Empire

*     The Eastern Roman Empire

*     The Ottoman Empire

*     The Napoleonic Empiire

*     The UK Empire

Western Civilization caused the colonization of most of the world - but Western Civilization is self-destructing through moral collapse and the USA is declining into chaos through the same endemic problems that faced previous Empires.   Human folly is the cause of the decline which has zero to do with religion,   The USA is floundering because of idiocy like humankind has 52 different sexes - children getting brainwashed in schools to hate their parents and destruction of family life - poor leadership - the idea that mankind can control natural changes in nature in evidence for millions of years - bribery and corruption - decreasing military strength.   Western Civilization will be destroyed during the present century and the USA will decline into a failed state due to the pestilence in the present ideology of the politicians.   

Your thinking ability is framed by propaganda and that is why you come up with BS like you constantly write on site.          

@ButtPlug,

A)
I acknowledged that Religion does certainly appear to have had a place in the development of mankind a long time ago. Other planets may go through a similar process during their evolution into intelligent life. 
(See my comments in earlier posts in this thread, as well as this brief excerpt of my comments).

Religion probably did add value at some point in time, but that was primitive man without writing and education.
Basically when society started to form, or even before this when man evolved from animal into intelligent life. 
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B)
I also stated that I believe that "Polytheistic religions appear to have far more contribution to the development of mankind than monotheistic religions). " see my comments in earlier posts on this thread  - and a brief excerpt below). 

Polytheism religions were clearly better than Monotheism religions.
Polytheism religions are like Democratic Gods - a relative truth. (Greek/Roman Gods)
Monotheistic religions are like Authoritarian Gods - an absolute truth. (Muslim/Christianity)

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Monotheistic religions are far more aggressive, imperialistic and totalitarian than polytheistic religions.
Polytheistic religions are far more progressive and open-minded and one could say more modern.

I would even argue that a polytheistic religion is still compatible with modern-day society, unlike monotheistic ones.

The Dark ages could even be attributed to going backwards from Polytheistic religions to a Monotheistic religion. 

@DumbMike, it seems pointless to respond to your drivel... Arguing with you is like arguing with a fanatical Muslim. 

SB 

You know yourself you have zero answers to any of the statements clearly contradicting the BS you wrote - but that is nothing new,   I  really LMAO  - I have been changed from a Nazi Christian to a Muslim.   Really funny.    

There are literally hundreds of different churches in the world with different ideologies so your idea of monolithic religions are just plain BS again.   Many of the empires and powerful states were oppressive and your description above is again simplistic historical BS as per normal.     

Atheism - McGill School Of Computer Science

@DumbMike, I could have had a more constructive conversation with the Ancient Greeks and Romans, than a backward Christian/Muslim in the 21st century. (Religious Nazis)

Europe was war-torn for hundreds of years by a civil war when Christianity split into Catholicism and Protestantism - so to say that Christianity was accommodating of different ideologies is nonsense.

Incidentally, Protestants are more Democratic and compatible with modern-day thinking than Catholics. This is evidenced by Protestants being richer and smarter on average, than Catholics- and more tolerant in nature. 

Hindus are far more peaceful than Muslims, people of the same region and race.

Thanks Plum, the fckn troll just won't stop to consider reason...people like him makes it difficult being passafist.

Modern Civilisation was based on the Ancient Greek/Romans, not Christianity.
If you read what I am saying,  I am not critical of "all" religions.

I believe Polytheistic religions have contributed to society, while I don't think monolithic religion has.
I believe that monolithic religion caused/inspired the Dark ages.
Did mankind go backwards in the dark ages? Yes, or No?

That is my "belief" and am entitled to it. You don't respect my beliefs, why should I respect yours? I could be wrong, but I don't "believe" that I am. I think history proves what I am saying.  If you assume your beliefs are facts, without trying to argue them - why are we talking?

The Renaissance only happened when "classic" civilisation records were rediscovered, and yes these were "inspired" or at the very least influenced by polytheistic religions.

South Africa would have dealt with the political situation better with fewer "monolithic" religious people, so we can argue the merits of how good people were during this time.
Apartheid was backward, and there had to be a better solution. It was a replay of when the ancient Romans were conquered by the German savages. . You can't just cater for one group of people or a revolution is inevitable. (Look at the French revolutions). 

SB

You are a genius in dreaming up BS - nothing else.   How modern civilization is based on the ancient Romans and Greeks is a new invention in the fertile shit hole you call your mind.  Amazing -how you can come up with BS 100% of the time.  

I have to ask a question - do you have a job?   Nobody employing you must be sick by now.    

"That is my "belief" and am entitled to it. You don't respect my beliefs, why should I respect yours? I could be wrong, but I don't "believe" that I am. I think history proves what I am saying.  If you assume your beliefs are facts, without trying to argue them - why are we talking?"

You are right, I don't respect your beliefs, but I respect your right to believe anything you like, just as long as it doesn't infringe on the basic rights of others.

And Apartheid had nothing to do with Christianity...it was wrong and they misused religion to spin it into something they could sell...Apartheid was a wrong reaction to a problem that still needs solving.

We,ve had our share of atheism in this world.....still with North Korea and the original battle between the ASOF (totally Nazi battalion) of Ukraine and Separatists (very atheist communistic) Russian speaking in the Donbas area.

The battle in 1919 was also between the Red Army(Russia) and White volunteer army after the Imperial German army retreated.

Very simplistic view to view Russia as just an invader without delving into the history of that area.