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Seb - What aboutthe following Ukraine elecion issue

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Apr 2019, 09:06
#1
02 Apr 2019, 09:06#1

The following from News24:-


"Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko has accused comic Volodymyr Zelensky, his opponent and the frontrunner in an upcoming presidential vote runoff, of being an oligarch's puppet.

In a Facebook post published on Monday, Poroshenko linked Zelensky's success in the polls on Sunday to the work of the "Kremlin agents" and oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky, who owns the TV channel that airs Zelensky's sitcom series.

"I begin the struggle for winning in the second round," he declared.

According to the official vote count published by Ukraine's Central Election Commission (CEC), Zelensky secured about 30 percent of the votes, Poroshenko - about 16 percent.

Voter turnout was above 63 percent, CEC said. The second round runoff is scheduled for April 21.

Many of the Ukrainians who took to social media to react to the election results blamed Poroshenko for his poor showing in the first round.

Ukrainian voters speak ahead of key presidential poll

 

Yurii Kasyanov, wrote on Facebook: "All the five years of his presidency, [Poroshenko] did everything possible and impossible, did his utmost, worked to the point of disgust, so that the people would vote for anyone, but not for politicians."

Kasyanov accused the president of "destroying the achievements of Maidan [the anti-government protests that brought him to power].

"It was he who flushed the unprecedented patriotic rise of the first months of the war into the toilet. It was he who built an unprecedented corruption system, earning blood," he said.

But to many Poroshenko supporters, he seems to be the only guarantor of security.

"Of course, I cannot call Poroshenko an ideal candidate, but if we want to save the sovereignty of our country and guarantee our basic physical security, the choice is clear [in his favour]," Evgeniy Podroiko, 34-year-old IT specialist, told Al Jazeera.

Despite his poor showing in the first round, the incumbent president could still overpower his opponent in the runoff, said Volodymyr Fesenko, director of the centre for political studies Penta.

"A large proportion of the candidates who did not make it to the second round represent the opposition and the majority of their supporters will vote for Zelensky in the runoff," Fesenko told Al Jazeera. "But Poroshenko does still have a chance to win."

Ukraine election: A unique village laments its historical divide

 

He said Poroshenko would try to trash Zelensky during the debates he had been avoiding before the first round.

"Poroshenko will try to show that he is better, more competent and prepared whereas Zelensky - weak, inexperienced and not ready for the presidency," said Fesenko.

Poroshenko's team will also try scare the Ukrainian voters by saying that Russia will conquer Ukraine under a weak president, he said.

According to Fesenko, Poroshenko's team could also attempt to secure a low turnout which would help Poroshenko in the second round.

The vote on Sunday was the first since the so-called Revolution of Dignity brought Poroshenko to power five years ago.

The 53-year-old, who was elected with almost 55 percent of vote in 2014, seems to have failed to rally his electorate despite his efforts to be seen as a passionate defender of the country's territorial unity, as well as the champion of the goal of joining the EU and NATO.

During his time in office, Poroshenko reinforced the country's army and ratified the Association Agreement with the EU, the document that enabled Ukrainians to trade with and travel to Europe without restrictions.

Kharkiv's pro-Russian protesters still mistrustful of Kiev

The incumbent president also secured the independence of Ukraine's Orthodox Church from its Russian counterpart.

But he failed to rid the country of corruption, or recover money stolen from Ukraine's coffers before he came to power.

The elections took place against a backdrop of a war that has killed more than 13,000 people in Ukraine's eastern Donetsk and Luhansk regions, with government forces fighting Russia-backed separatists.

The conflict followed Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014 which in turn came after the ousting of Moscow-backed leader Viktor Yanukovich earlier that year.

Several million of the approximately 35 million eligible voters were unable or unwilling to cast their ballots in the occupied territories."

Maybe the opposition candidate would have a chance to win if the Russians allowed the Ukrainian voters in the eastern area of Ukraine to vote.    That alone - plus the opposition vote - may result in a change of the political scenario that could lead to a peace settlement on the Ukraine issue. 

 







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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Apr 2019, 09:06
#2
02 Apr 2019, 09:06#2

The following from News24:-


"Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko has accused comic Volodymyr Zelensky, his opponent and the frontrunner in an upcoming presidential vote runoff, of being an oligarch's puppet.

In a Facebook post published on Monday, Poroshenko linked Zelensky's success in the polls on Sunday to the work of the "Kremlin agents" and oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky, who owns the TV channel that airs Zelensky's sitcom series.

"I begin the struggle for winning in the second round," he declared.

According to the official vote count published by Ukraine's Central Election Commission (CEC), Zelensky secured about 30 percent of the votes, Poroshenko - about 16 percent.

Voter turnout was above 63 percent, CEC said. The second round runoff is scheduled for April 21.

Many of the Ukrainians who took to social media to react to the election results blamed Poroshenko for his poor showing in the first round.

Ukrainian voters speak ahead of key presidential poll

 

Yurii Kasyanov, wrote on Facebook: "All the five years of his presidency, [Poroshenko] did everything possible and impossible, did his utmost, worked to the point of disgust, so that the people would vote for anyone, but not for politicians."

Kasyanov accused the president of "destroying the achievements of Maidan [the anti-government protests that brought him to power].

"It was he who flushed the unprecedented patriotic rise of the first months of the war into the toilet. It was he who built an unprecedented corruption system, earning blood," he said.

But to many Poroshenko supporters, he seems to be the only guarantor of security.

"Of course, I cannot call Poroshenko an ideal candidate, but if we want to save the sovereignty of our country and guarantee our basic physical security, the choice is clear [in his favour]," Evgeniy Podroiko, 34-year-old IT specialist, told Al Jazeera.

Despite his poor showing in the first round, the incumbent president could still overpower his opponent in the runoff, said Volodymyr Fesenko, director of the centre for political studies Penta.

"A large proportion of the candidates who did not make it to the second round represent the opposition and the majority of their supporters will vote for Zelensky in the runoff," Fesenko told Al Jazeera. "But Poroshenko does still have a chance to win."

Ukraine election: A unique village laments its historical divide

 

He said Poroshenko would try to trash Zelensky during the debates he had been avoiding before the first round.

"Poroshenko will try to show that he is better, more competent and prepared whereas Zelensky - weak, inexperienced and not ready for the presidency," said Fesenko.

Poroshenko's team will also try scare the Ukrainian voters by saying that Russia will conquer Ukraine under a weak president, he said.

According to Fesenko, Poroshenko's team could also attempt to secure a low turnout which would help Poroshenko in the second round.

The vote on Sunday was the first since the so-called Revolution of Dignity brought Poroshenko to power five years ago.

The 53-year-old, who was elected with almost 55 percent of vote in 2014, seems to have failed to rally his electorate despite his efforts to be seen as a passionate defender of the country's territorial unity, as well as the champion of the goal of joining the EU and NATO.

During his time in office, Poroshenko reinforced the country's army and ratified the Association Agreement with the EU, the document that enabled Ukrainians to trade with and travel to Europe without restrictions.

Kharkiv's pro-Russian protesters still mistrustful of Kiev

The incumbent president also secured the independence of Ukraine's Orthodox Church from its Russian counterpart.

But he failed to rid the country of corruption, or recover money stolen from Ukraine's coffers before he came to power.

The elections took place against a backdrop of a war that has killed more than 13,000 people in Ukraine's eastern Donetsk and Luhansk regions, with government forces fighting Russia-backed separatists.

The conflict followed Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014 which in turn came after the ousting of Moscow-backed leader Viktor Yanukovich earlier that year.

Several million of the approximately 35 million eligible voters were unable or unwilling to cast their ballots in the occupied territories."

Maybe the opposition candidate would have a chance to win if the Russians allowed the Ukrainian voters in the eastern area of Ukraine to vote.    That alone - plus the opposition vote - may result in a change of the political scenario that could lead to a peace settlement on the Ukraine issue. 

 







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SebPro2,680 posts
03 Apr 2019, 12:43
#3
03 Apr 2019, 12:43#3

I will try and simplify this.

First of all I want to make it very clear that I am not a communist or even a socialist...I am not liberal either but are conservative. I stand by the capitalistic system and believe in freedom of choice but with strong justice systems that are intolerant of law breakers , criminals and chaos. I believe in helping the poor, the weak and the disabled too but it must be balanced. All human activity must be productive ...people must have work ethics and work to their best of ability...laziness and dishonesty must never be tolerated as a human norm, or even an excuse. Society must treat these attitudes with contempt. I believe all governments worldwide must get their houses in order and should be left in peace with no outside interference. I do not believe in grouping and globalisation...even the United Nations, Nato etc. Yes, we are in the right context our brothers keeper but charity begins at home first. We must not start trying to take the speck out of our brothers eye when we have a plank in our own. We must leave and respect other countries government, sovereignty, their borders, their independence...that's the right way.

This issue is very complicated to understand in the west...there has been so much propaganda war-fare started by subversive people in power, such as George Soros and other undesirables with clandestine and wicked hidden motives, including western politicians in the USA and UK.

To understand the complexities of the Ukranian mess you must know subversive dirty political propaganda war-fare started during the Cold War period.

During the USSR...Russia, BelaRussia and Ukraine peoples were united...afterall having Slav ancestry they got on well and had much in common. There were very little problems.

The dirty tactics were started by the American government by dropping the oil price for under-handed purposes. This was the time of Perestroika. USA invested about 8/9 billion dollars and so did Soros pour money into Ukraine education...to infiltrate and capture the minds of youth when they ripe for feeding new anti Russian feelings ...total untruths and twisted bull.

These underhanded activities have created this chaos and violence when the USSR was disbanded.

Mike, the Ukranian mindset is confused and destructive...Ukraine is rather like the chaos in Africa...and we all know where that ends.

This is clearly a planned agenda.

The majority of Ukrainians tend to come from peasant and proletariat background...very similar.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Apr 2019, 13:58
#4
03 Apr 2019, 13:58#4

This is clear to me - the more chaos the better for certain people with no interest in the well-being of ordinary people in any state,  

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