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Stanford study suggests the death rate from the Virus is low

Started by Mozart18 REPLIES763 VIEWS· 18 Apr 2020, 20:09
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Apr 2020, 20:09
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18 Apr 2020, 20:09#1

‘At the time of the study, Santa Clara county had 1,094 confirmed cases of Covid-19, resulting in 50 deaths. But based on the rate of people who have antibodies, it is likely that between 48,000 and 81,000 people had been infected in Santa Clara county by early April – a number approximately 50 to 80 times higher.

That also means coronavirus is potentially much less deadly to the overall population than initially thought. As of Tuesday, the US’s coronavirus death rate was 4.1% and Stanford researchers said their findings show a death rate of just 0.12% to 0.2%.’

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This study sampled 3330 St Clara residents. It’s not  definitive because the sample isn’t drawn from a broad population....but actually quite encouraging. These numbers if duplicated would suggest only those at risk should be fully isolate d. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Apr 2020, 20:20
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18 Apr 2020, 20:20#2

Yes I noted these findings elsewhere. I also noted ABC has reported that The Economist had calculated the death rate to be 0. 1 %which is the same as the flu.


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Apr 2020, 20:50
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18 Apr 2020, 20:50#3

More evidence that Marxist WHO Director Tedros sold the world a bill of goods that Gates front man was only too willing to go along with.

The WHO Lied, IHME Lied, Fauci Bought the Lies: Latest International Study Shows COVID-19 Mortality Rate at 0.2% Not 3.4% – Why Was The Gateway Pundit the Only One to Catch This?One month ago on March 17th The Gateway Pundit reported:



REMEMBER: WHO leader, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, fomented a global panic when he claimed the COVID-19 had a 3.4% mortality rate and then compared that number to the annual estimated seasonal flu mortality rate of 0.1%.
As we reported in early March, the controversial Ethiopian politician and Director General of the World Health Organization (WHO), Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, claimed in a press conference on March 3rd that the fatality rate for the coronavirus was hundreds of times more deadly than the fatality rate of the common seasonal flu.
The Director General of the WHO spoke on March 3, 2020 and shared this related to the coronavirus:

While many people globally have built up immunity to seasonal flu strains, COVID-19 is a new virus to which no one has immunity. That means more people are susceptible to infection, and some will suffer severe disease.

Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected.

But the WHO’s claims about the coronavirus were completely inaccurate.

There have been several studies that show the mortality rate of the coronavirus is much closer to the seasonal flu than was being reported.

A eport by Justin Silverman and Alex Washberne on COVID-19 and featured in The Economist earlier this week found that the coronvirus is widespread in the US. The authors argue that 28 million Americans have or have had the coronavirus. If this study is accurate then the mortality rate of the coronavirus is 0.1%.

Another study by Stanford University researchers this week found that the Coronavirus is far more widespread than previously known and thus far less dangerous. The data indicated that there are between 50 to 80-fold more infections than confirmed cases.

And now another study was recently conducted in Scotland, Denmark and Finland. The results were published at CovModel.org.

The Infection Fatality Ratio (IFR) in Denmark is estimated 0.21%. The IFR is seven times lower are estimated for Finland and Scotland.

This was the fault of the WHO, the Imperial College researchers, the extremely unreliable IHME and government officials like Dr. Tony Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx.

Fauci and Birx urged President Trump to lockdown the US economy based on their faulty models and fraudulent information.

The Gateway Pundit called the bluff over a month ago.




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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Apr 2020, 21:00
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18 Apr 2020, 21:00#4
Confirmed: Like Everywhere Else – the Vast Majority of New York State Coronavirus Victims Were Over the Age of 70It appears Coronavirus is a Deadly Senior Disease

The Italian government released their latest numbers on the coronavirus update in early March.
There were 1,247 new cases of the deadly disease reported in Italy at the time.

The Italian government also released the percentage of deaths by age group.

90+ years old: 6% of deaths
80 – 89 years old: 42% of deaths
70 – 79 years old: 35% of deaths
60 – 69 years old: 16% of deaths

These numbers came from the World Health Organization YouTube page.

The numbers from Italy show 99% of the coronavirus deaths were Italians over the age of 60.

According to FOX News — 78% of COVID-19 Patients have At Least One Underlying Health Problem!


Infectious Disease Specialist Dr. Stephen Smith claims in his treatment of coronavirus patients he has not seen a single patient severely affected under the age of 70 who was not diabetic, pre-diabetic or obese.

Massachusetts is another state that has seen a vast majority of its coronavirus deaths in those victims over 60-years-old.

And in New York state 84% of its victims are over 60.  65% of the victims are over 70!

Via the New York State Department of Health.


How does this justify the current proposed lockdowns by the CDC and Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx?

It doesn’t.

What one needs is the total infections per age group to calculate the death rate. Then the death rate excluding preconditions. Then death rate per age group for each of the various preconditions.

Per the Worldometer the USA excluding NY State has a death rate of 57 per million. Total death rate per million 115. NY has half the deaths.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Apr 2020, 21:05
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18 Apr 2020, 21:05#5

So what would the death rate be for people under 65 (assuming 65 is the USA retirement age) with NO precondition. Would it be even 0.05%???

So all people under 65 with no precondi tions back to work. Why the shutdown???????

Dr Moz what do you think?

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
18 Apr 2020, 21:30
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18 Apr 2020, 21:30#6
There have been lots of models provided, but given there has not been a reliable anti-body test created and administered - they are all speculative. (The current antibody tests give false negatives and false positives of who has already had it - so in the current form are useless). 
Over 50% of the population in a place like New York may have already had the virus and recovered. If so. herd immunity will slow the virus down in New York before an anti-body test is created and administered. 
If the lockdown is totally ended in New York, and then cases decrease rapidly - then it must be herd immunity that has stopped it. Otherwise, a second wave would happen and cases would start to increase again. 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Apr 2020, 21:42
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18 Apr 2020, 21:42#7
Well I have been on this from the moment I saw the Diamond Princess numbers....it looks like about a 1.5% death rate among Cruise participants who are likely heavily weighted 60/70/80. If those were the numbers in that group....the general numbers had to be way lower HasBeen. Probably 10 times lower or more.
Why you and I saw this early and the ‘scientists’ as a group weren’t seeing it, boggles the mind.
High intelligence congregated in a group appears to produce a moron average.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Apr 2020, 21:55
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18 Apr 2020, 21:55#8

sbvirus the confirmed cases in the USA right now are 728,293. The deaths 38,244 (Somewhat padded)

Now assume the deaths are more by a factor of 65 (Range is 50 to 80)

Then the denominator is 728,293 times 65 ie 47,339,045 would be the estimated number of infections.

The death rate therefore would be 38,244 divided by 47,339,045 times by 100 i.e. 0.08

at 50 its 0.1%

At 80 its 0.066%

You agree wi th the calc?

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Apr 2020, 22:01
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18 Apr 2020, 22:01#9

Dr Moz these guys are not morons. Tedros knows jolly well where he went wrong! Dr Faui must have know Tedros was qwrong and dvtto Dr Birx.

The huge errors were a deliberate plan to create panic. Look also at how the MSM has been going on

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Apr 2020, 23:05
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18 Apr 2020, 23:05#10

We need the population numbers by age group. This is the female chart in NY:

Male379420447.38%Female421407452.62%   Under 5 years5408786.75%5 to 9 years5611157.01%10 to 14 years5308166.63%15 to 19 years5206416.5%20 to 24 years5898317.37%25 to 34 years136802117.08%35 to 44 years126328015.77%45 to 54 years101238512.64%55 to 59 years3691054.61%60 to 64 years3143493.93%65 to 74 years4947946.18%75 to 84 years3213604.01%85 years and over1217031.52% 
So roughly 16% are over 60. If they follow the Diamond Princess mortality at most 2% will die, even if all the remaining critical patients on the ship die. So we can expect at most 2% of 16% to die in that group=32/10000. Or 0.32% of the population

In the remaining group of 84% their fatalities would be 15.7/84.3 of the over 60 fatalities if that chart is right. Which equals 15.7/84.3*0.32 or 0.06% of the population.

Adding the two groups, that suggests an upper bound for the death rate at about 0.4% assuming the worst case outcome for the Diamond Princess....in itself a worse case incubator.

The numbers bounce around a little but 0.1% to 0.4%, makes more sense than 1% to 4%.


 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Apr 2020, 01:55
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19 Apr 2020, 01:55#11

And one can tease out an implicit death rate for the under 60 group quite easily. 

We know that 84.3% of the deaths in NY are for the over sixties. Which is a product of the population in that  segment and a 2% death rate. So if dr is the death rate and p the population:

dr<60*0.84p= (dr>60*0.16p) 15.7/84.3

So dr<60 = 2/100*16/100*15.7/84.3

      dr<60= 0.02*0.16*0.186=0.0005952

So the implicit death rate for the 60 and under group is 0.06%.....6 people under 60 in 10000 will die. The  flu for the whole population has a rate of 10 people per 10000 dying. 

So one way of looking at this is to say  the population under 60 is less at risk from Wuhan, than the whole population is at risk for the flu. Protect the vulnerable and liberate everybody else.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Apr 2020, 02:11
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19 Apr 2020, 02:11#12

The death toll on the roads have plummeted to 28 over Easter Weekend 2020....add that to the 52 that succumbed to the Corona Virus to date and we still have more than 400 lives in the bank on last year's death toll over Easter.....stupid comparison, I know, but the deliberate lack of context in the media for Corona deaths is frustrating to say the least.

ATM, my company are still paying our permanent work force, but the temporary labour has been registered for the special UIF advertised by the government.  To date, these people haven't received a cent from the funds supposedly allocatedby the state, so the boss have decided to pay the government's promised amount from our company's funds...small gesture, but absolutely vital for the workers...unfortunately, this is not sustainable.  If we don't go back to work soon, companies are going to fold and longer term employment opportunities will be permanently lost. People will start dying of hunger. I've seen first hand what the loss of employment can do to a person...escalating that to thousands will be a horrible desaster for this country.

South Africa is living on the edge of extreme poverty...as is, without the complications the virus brings. Ee cannot afford this lockdown for much longer...this whole thing doesn't make sense...this is gonna sound harsh, but we as a country can probably afford a death toll off a couple of  million more than we can afford shutting down the economy for a couple of months more...in fact, it will probably be better off in the overall picture. Terrible for those dying and for those losing loved ones, but much better than losing millions more to starvation in the months to come...

The virus mostly kill the elderly...famine will thake a whole generation of the young...babies and toddlers...too horrible to mention. 

Sometimes decisions should be made on cold hard facts, without the emotion.  

I can probably survive staying at home for another few months,  without losing my home and stillb able to put decent food on the table for my family...the 40 odd people directly dependent on the work I manage won't...and the more than double that amount dependent on them will definitely not survive even a month more. Many of them will suffer greatly. 

We need to put a strategy in place to go back to work while managing the risks. We have enough labour in the "low risk bracket", to replace those getting sick and continue working. Let those who are at low risk of getting seriously ill return to work. Isolate them from higher risk individuals. Test those working regularly and manage this thing on the run.

 We are sitting on an unemployment rate of 30% (of people still actively looking for employment...that means the actual unemployment rate is actually up to 40%. That means we have a reserve employment force of 40% of the employable population.  We can afford people risking to get sick. We can replace them if they do. 

Almost a third of the known cases has already recoverd. We need to identify the low risk and recovered portion of the work force and get them back to work.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Apr 2020, 02:21
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19 Apr 2020, 02:21#13

The world as a whole can afford a significant loss of life more than we can afford a serious recession/depression, brought on by a prolonged lockdown.  In the long run, the locked will be much more disastrous than a significant percentage of the population dying...if that's the actual scenario in the first place.

The world wide reaction to Covid19 is probably the largest psy ops perpetrated on humanity ever. There is obviously a deeper, more sinister agenda at play here...

This whole thing doesn't make sense.  We are either not being told the whole story, or the coarse of action is way out of sync with the actual problem.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Apr 2020, 02:22
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19 Apr 2020, 02:22#14

PS, insomnia is a bitch.

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SebPro2,680 posts
19 Apr 2020, 07:02
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19 Apr 2020, 07:02#15

Yes indeed the cowardice, folly and lack of integrity of mankind.

The masses too are lemmings with sheep like tendencies.

https://youtu.be/AOOs8MaR1YM

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
19 Apr 2020, 08:05
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19 Apr 2020, 08:05#16

Yep ,die if you go to work from the virus...die if you don't  from starvation.
Lets see if the yanks are able to sue their president for the lockdown.....see they're marching to the beaches.

Local townships only apply lock down after 7 at night otherwise it's fair game in the streets.


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Apr 2020, 09:21
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19 Apr 2020, 09:21#17

This guy delivers a well balanced view.

I recommend his videos. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Apr 2020, 09:28
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19 Apr 2020, 09:28#18

Moonrover

Although Trump - advised by the specialists he appointed - suggested that a lock down should be  considered, the decisions to implement lock downs rest with the Governors of individual states,   

A more urgent question is was the present situation created as a means to weaken and undermine the USA and the UK for the benefit of  China and the World Government supporters?      

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Apr 2020, 09:45
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19 Apr 2020, 09:45#19

Haha Draad

Just don't start a movement that nobody is allowed to talk about.

However, if you do meet Brad, send my regards :)

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