"Sure Draad, you believe in God- but you are not religious. Hypocrisy..."
I don't go to Church and I don't read my Bible every day...I don't practice religion, but I try to live out the ethos of Christianity as per the example Jesus set in the Gospels...I don't fear Hell and I wouldn't mind if there's no after life. I try to do the right thing because it's the right thing. I try and let my conscience guide me as much as possible. You are p!$$!ng on something you don't even understand.
SB
Apartheid in SA started long before there was a National Party in SA. It was entirely a UK import. Even at junification - the majority of Afrikaans people supported the nomination of John X Merriman as Prime Minister - Merriman was a leading liberl known throughout the world s one. However, British Government and the King hated Merriman and recommended Botha as Prime Minister with Smuts as his deputy. The situation was that the Government was extremely unpopular and a number of revolts took place by workers against the reactionary General Smuts - the uprisings were by both White and Black people but Botha and Smuts were loyal servants of the British Government.
Hatred of the British was strong amongst Afrikaans speaking people and that was the reason for the ultimate rise of the National Party. By 1930 30% of the Afrikaans Community suffer from extreme poverty and come the second WW and the SA soldiers were treated like shit - especially after the murder by the UK Generals of General Dan Pienaar - a cousin of my grandmother. Pienaar's main problem was he would not take shit treatment of SA soldiers and his general term was to call the UK generals and his commanding officers "Voertsek General". On return to SA they were discharged by the Smuts Government without any compensation and the farmers were impoverished by a "loan" of 80 million pounds to the UK - paid in gold and wool to the UK - the loan was never repaid. That caused the defeat of the Smuts Government in 1948.
The most emphatic apartheid rules always came from the English speaking community - they discriminated against everyone else - whether Black or White. So you are stupid enough to blame the wrong people for Apartheid. .It was existing in SA since 1806.
When you have no argument how to answer to facts you always run to religion. I do make my decisions on politics based on facts - not media lies (your main idiocy is you believe the lies) - and it has nothing to do with religion. Your other idiocy is that you claim religion is against Democracy - but you are too big an idiot to realize that Democracy was started and developed by religious people - not by anybody else.
The people who wants to destroy democ racy are the same people who wants to establish a woke culture that would ultimately destroy the Western Civilization. - not that you would mind at all about it.
I am not blaming all Afrikaans, I am blaming the religious ones. I have met many sensible Afrikaans- most of which are not religious.
Also, Apartheid is an Afrikaans word that means develop Apart -so I am not sure how this can be British. The system was brought into place by Verwoerd of the NP (if memory serves me correctly) - after World War 2.
Everyone knows that slavery existed in the past, as did racism - but the world was changing. Past injustices hardly justify continued ones.
Apartheid was a short-term backward system that benefited the current religious Afrikaaner old white men above everyone else....
Future generations would always have to pay for this.
It was to address to poor White Afrikaner problem, making a policy of White Afrikaner first. (particularly religious while old men). So women were also victims of this policy. So were other white people to some degree, as well as other races.
It was a system that legislated rights based on race, gender, and religion. A class like the coloured, were half-cast.
My point is that instead of moving with the times, they went backwards. If more Westerners were allowed into the country, who were less religious (and therefore less back ward)- and they would have been more progressive (e.g. tried to uplift smart people of all races, not keep them down).
You support Putin. Westerners that support Putin are religious, it is the common denominator. Just like how the religious supported Apartheid.
Anyway, you are more affiliated with the radical left, the ANC. So, you are not exactly part of the AWB. What ever values you had, you gladly sold for a quick buck
"My point is that instead of moving with the times, they went backwards. If more Westerners were allowed into the country, who were less religious (and therefore less backward)- and they would have been more progressive (e.g. tried to uplift smart people of all races, not keep them down). "
Biggest crock of BS I read in a long time.
Trying to uplift smart people from other races is the biggest crock of BS you have read in a long time? Eugene also felt the same way... This was a person self-deluded by religion. God was on his side...
Well we can add SA History to the list of issues that Sharkie knows zero about.
Apartheid is a name given to policies that existed prior to 1948 but used more in the political arena to win favour and create division.
The Nationalist went one step further and made it the LAW of the land.
Discrimination existed prior to 1948 in SA and was also in place in many countries in Africa and elsewhere that fell under British control.
But you had to have lived in that period to understand the sad history and the many folks that suffered.
Thankfully Apartheid was abolished but now it is replaced under a new names such as "Transformation" for example.
Old habits never die but names do!
Pity.
"Trying to uplift smart people from other races is the biggest crock of BS you have read in a long time?"
No you fcn Poephol...thinking that you can uplift Africa by importing more white people, because black people are incapable of doing it on their own is what got us into this problem in the first place....typical limousine liberal...PLANK...you are bring really offensive you fool. The people pf SA are more than capable of sorting out our own sh!t...we don't need pretentious fools like you to show us the way...but your colonial genes don't realize this...please stay in Mud Island.
Limousine Liberal descriptive word for "new money" classless wealth.
And don't insult the great Afrikaaner nation by putting them all in the same box.
A hypocrite democrat who pretends she loves working people, coloured guys, and street people, but who has 109 million dollars and lives as far away as possible from working people, coloured guys, and street people. They deceive millions of idiots who don't know that nobody ever helped anybody from the back seat of a limousine
Hillary Clinton is a limousine liberal. She pretends she likes beer with a booze chaser when she really likes Zinfandel. She pretends to love rural people, but thinks they are hicks, rubes, and rednecks. She is rich. She rides in a limousine to show how much better she is then you are. She feels entitled to ride in the back of a limousine because she is rich.
Barack O'Bama is a limousine liberal. He pretends he stands for the working class, then accuses them of clinging to religion and guns. He is rich and rides in a limousine to show how much better he is than you are. He feels entitled to ride in the back seat of a limousine because he is a rich coloured guy.
Other famous limousine liberals are Senator Kennedy, John Kerry, Senator Charles Schumer, and Michael Moore -- Hypocritical rich bastards all!
Sure ButtPlug... I maintain that the religious should stay out of politics. I am not separating myself from South Africa, merely the religious ilk of Eugene Terblanche and those that were to short-sighted to see the future.
If South Africa had fewer religious people involved in politics, perhaps there would have been a different outcome. Religious politicians are delusional, thinking that God is directing their actions... They are just not part of reality.
The brainwashing disseminated from Church propaganda ensured that there was no plan for the future. It was just to hold onto the present as long as possible, and let future generations pay the price...A narrow short-sighted view that was never going to last.
Apartheid also prevented more white people from coming to South Africa to give a more Democratic share of the vote.
No, just don't let people masquerade in politics as if they are God's ambassadors...
Putin tells the dumb Russians he is some type of prophet acting under the will of God. God wanted him to invade Ukraine.
SB is so besotted with religion hatred that everything he likes because religion is absent and everything he hates has been caused by religion. He is an utter fool and mixed up 100%. The starting point for democracy under the Greeks were based on religion and its transplant to the modern world took place because of the Christian religion and was implemented by religious people.
On the other hand the people in modern times who tried to destroy Democracy - namely the Communists and Fascists - he apparently supports all out. So he is normally imbecilic in his deluded writing on site.
The fact is SB hates religious people and religion as a whole. He blames religion for all the ills in the world. He is in league with the pseudo-scientists making a living out of fearmongering. So cows must be removed from existence because they cause global warming. So goodbye to milk production and eating of meat. His latest perspective is Bread is unacceptable from a health perspective. How many billions of people eat bread-related products over thousands of years - now suddenly it must be banned.
Frankly I do not believe all the BS we are fed with about Covid, global warming and health issues we are being fed with on a daily basis through the media . .
He is in that respect in league with the Communists and Nazis. They declared and banned religion and oppressed not only religious people, but everybody else. The man is so besotted with religion as he worlds only ill - so the rest of the garbage he believes in comes from the leftist media and he has he audacity to quote those on this site. Brainwashed moron that one. .
Religious people are backward. As a statistical average, they are dumber than the non-religious in the 21st century.
The younger someone is, the less religious they are- which is very positive. It is a dying ideology. Sure, someone can be conservative - but a sensible conservative - not the religious Qanon whack jobs.
Young people are not being forced to not like religion, they just see it as irrelevant. It is their choice. It is not banned, people are free to do it - but it is being dropped like a bad habbit.
The AWB are a fine example of religious people. We can thank people like that for SA not having a future for white people. Western Islam... Nearly anyone who supports Putin is religious, another great advert for religion. The anti-vaxxers, conspiracists etc. etc. These lists go on.
In 20 years time, religion will be toast in the West.
"Religious people are backward. As a statistical average, they are dumber than the non-religious in the 21st century."
Even if that was true, most of us are still smarter than you...bigoted plank that you are.
ButtPlug, the West is "choosing" to move away from religion. The younger someone is, the less likely they are to be religious. Freedom of choice...
Who cares about Stalin? We could quote many politicians who were religious (e.g. The AWB) that would want everyone to be religious, or Arabs etc, etc.
Putin is the new Stalin. Putin likes religion, as the simpletons will follow him if he says he is religious. (An old political trick). See Emperor Constantine ...
And yet Draad, and an increasing amount of people share my take on religion... not yours...
So the West are on the same page, you are not. You are on the Qanon bus...
Quote sources...
Religion remains strongest in the dumbest areas in the world. The smarter a place or person is, on average the less religious they are. You know this...
I have quoted sources in the past many times to back up my argument. You have 4Chan
The funny thing is that you all share my viewpoint of all religions except your own. Who supports Islam, except people from this religion?
Still what ever way the data is sliced, the younger someone is - the less religious they are. The writing is on the wall, it is dying.
Google- the younger someone is, the less religious they are. This is not just true in the West...
Whatever way you spin it. mainstream reality is moving away from religion. This is why Christians hate the West.
Read all the articles I posted. The common theme is that the younger someone is, the less religious they are. It is dying out. Just because people's parents might have taken them to Church- and therefore some association - it is dying...
Each 10 years, the next generation is less religious than the last.
Look, you know I am right, so it is pointless debating this with you.
SB- the idiot.
You quote from some surveys and make that the alpha and Omega of everything idiotic you write.
According to census data only 20% of the total population of London indicated that they have no religion. You are too stupid to realize that churchgoing is not the norm.ar all. Churchgoing is down - but it does not represent the feelings of people - more the fact that churchgoing is replaced by religious programs on TV.
The fact is none of the people I know and that ois many base their political decisions o issues that have no relationship with religion. That is why all your comments are BS in the extreme.
I have no religious beliefs. As far as I am concerned religion is just a man-made entity.
For convenience, you can classify me as an anti-theist because I think religion in the 21st century does more damage than good and that the world would be better off without it - or it is just totally irrelevant. (I don't expect a religious person to respect my views).
This viewpoint is shared in younger generations by freedom of choice, not by preventing people from choosing their own beliefs - or brainwashing adolescents in church).
"a" God, or "an afterlife" may exist, but religion is just man's fictional attempt to guess what it is. However, it is possible there is no God or no afterlife.
The word atheist was created by the ancient Greeks, which predates Christianity... So it was part of culture before Christianity...
My viewpoint is shared with:
1. Scientists
2. University Educated people
3. Younger generations (E.g. Millennials and Generation Z and Generation Alpha).
Religion is slipping out of mainstream thought.
Every 10 years, it is weaker. Fewer people are taking their children to church.
The fact is:
Millennials are less religious than Generation X
Generation Z are less religious than Millennials
Generation Alpha are less religious than Generation Z
The wring is on the wall, we can all see where this is going...
When Generation Z and Generation Alpha have children, and then their kids become the majority, religion will be finished in most countries. Certainly in Democratic countries...
You can believe in the merits of religion, but you can't argue facts that the younger people are, the less religious they are as a statistical average.
This trend is getting steeper each year. It is only accelerating, and the same thing is happening in all countries (thankfully)
Let's see if you can keep up...
Convergent evolution:
In evolutionary biology, convergent evolution is defined as the process whereby distantly related organisms independently evolve similar traits to adapt to similar necessities.
Note: similar necessities.
Now, have a look at almost every civilization that we know anything about. One barely requires a critical mind to note the prevalence of the independent evolution of religions throughout.
What that clearly tells you is that there is a fundamental need for religion. Sure, you and I might get along just fine without the need to follow religion in any way...but how about society at large?
As you know, the prevalence of a mechanism speaks to its effectiveness as a solution.
But let's tackle one of your arguments about the destructive force that religion is...
What do living creatures on earth do? They compete for resources, genetic and environmental, in order to procreate. We agree on this?
When ants go to war, they aren't burdened by conscious thoughts like fear and remorse. Humans are fighting the same fight as the ants are, but we have to justify our actions in some way and we require more than purely chemical motivation because we're possessed of consciousness. We have to look into the mirror before and after the fight.
One would then have to ask whether at least one of religion's benefits is that it is both a rallying cry and coping mechanism for the inevitable actions of living beings. Meaning, it's not the cause of the fight but rather adds to the well-being and effectiveness of the fighters.
To be fair, one does have to accept that human consciousness, as far as we know, hasn't been around for very long...not in evolutionary terms. Religion being very prevalent to date doesn't mean that a better solution/s won't arise in the future.
I'm simply doubtful of the people, like you, claiming that religion isn't required, when they appear to have very little idea of the scope of the solution/benefit that it has and continues to provide.
If you're not considering the full scope of replacement that you propose to deliver, how on earth could you be trusted to deliver something even remotely adequate?
Again, I'm not the one yelling that science is the answer at everyone, and yet I find myself having to slow the resident scientist down and ask him not to skip over the science.
All you are doing is arguing the merits of religion.
I am saying that younger generations get less religious by the day. They share my view (regardless of if this view is right or wrong).
It is a fact that each generation is less religious than the last one, in the last 30 years- and this process is only accelerating.
Religion is really a pastime for the older generations, and those that are young and still religious are generally just dumb people.
However, I disagree with your "argument" that religion is still a necessity in the 21st century, which like most of your viewpoints is not objective. Like a religious person that bases their understanding on faith and then tries to filter information to support that view. It is just bull shiting yourself to believe what you want to believe.
Imagine Islam did not exist? Perhaps the Middle East would eventually stop warring amongst themselves... Surely no Islam would be an upgrade to the world.
SB
Younger people gets less religious - but they also get less mrals and addicted to drugs and criminality. They have no culture and believes in nothing whether good or bad. People must have some loyalty in life - otherwise they become total wrecks and that is the case with most young people not properly brought up.
That is why the western countries and culture is collapsing. Same as what happened in Rome and other countries. Can you really believe that people without loyalty to anybody will make good soldiers in the case war? They will just collaps under pressure. when attacked.
That is also why the way the West is trying to implement a world government dictatorship that will work together with China and a few other dictators to undermine democracy in the world. The signs are bad in the USA and as bad in the uK and Germany. So how will a rotten uncultured youth assist anybody when it comes to things that count in life like freedom of speech and protection of the rights of individuals. That si going faster than it became ingrained in democracy.
Let em explain something further. I also believe in scientists - ut that does not include freaks like Dr Faucci and mist of the leech scientists advertising BS. Gates - no scientist himself - believe that the ideal world population should be 5oo million - so he is pushing both global warming and global vaccination. It si the global warming BS that includes cows must be eliminated becasue they fart and pollute the air. You ma not eat bread because it is a health hazard. Wothout cows you will not have milk either. So these idiots wants to dreduce the world population to 500 million through starvation and other so-called scientific methods. If that si what scientists come u with it boggles the mind. If you believe in that kind of BS - you should be regarded as the biggest fool ever on a site like this.
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That is your opinion DumbMiike, and you are entitled to it.
That does not make your belief a fact.
What is a fact, is that it's an opinion that is in decline as more and more people reject religion.
If you are right you go to heaven, and we do not.
If it is not true, you are just believing in something that is primitive and false - like Santa...
Given the number of different religions, it is very unlikely that one of them is correct, while all others are wrong. (which is what all religions claim- even sects within the same religion).
It is more likely they are all wrong...
Even if God or the Devil exists or does not exist, the values of being good and bad still exist.
You are just personifying these values with "a" God and the Devil.
Folks don't give these Left Twats a platform to rant and rave about anything that does not fit their agenda and warped minds.
IGNORE all of THEM.
@FART: We are the increasing majority, so it is you that is the marginalised minority (that is ignored).
Left to revel in your insignificance with BAAL...