Straight of Hormuz: The Grand Reopening

Trump is already starting to admit the deal is very limited. J.D. Vance has said that their is talk of a 300 billion deal as well.

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You lot assume that the main objective of the deal is to open the strait...typical...we don't know what the actual objectives were...we probably never will. Check the oil markets in a few months... particularly what Iran and Russia are getting for their oil, who's buying it and what everyone else are paying in comparison and the compare that proportionally to the status quo before the Trump presidency...

Snark, Biden got 13 soldiers killed withdrawing from Afghanistan.....

It’s pretty obvious who had leverage throughout the war—Iran walked away with $300 billion, while America got zip, zero, nothing, and was left with an economic drain of over $100 billion.

By the way, the $1.7B handout under Obama pales in comparison to the $300B orchestrated under Trump.

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You lot assume that the main objective of the deal is to open the strait...typical...we don't know what the actual objectives were...we probably never will.

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Ha, Ha. A president is meant to explain the goals to the parliament of government and to the public.

So you are suggesting without a goal, it is impossible to measure what the impact was. Great idea, why plan anything?

So, what exactly has Trump accomplished or gained so far in his war, with the greatest army at his disposal?....anyone?

sweet vokall

He's spent billions of dollars replacing the old moderate leader with a young hard-liner, he's bombed a girls school, he's pushed the world into a recession and he's alienated his European allies.

That's what he's achieved.

& the ballsuproom

Ha, Ha. A president is meant to explain the goals to the parliament of government and to the public

& getting approval from Congress .

Snark, Biden got 13 soldiers killed withdrawing from Afghanistan.....

Donald Trump: Negotiated and signed the 2020 Doha Agreement, which set a timeline for the final withdrawal of U.S. forces.

"Donald Trump: Negotiated and signed the 2020 Doha Agreement, which set a timeline for the final withdrawal of U.S. forces."

Duh, we all know that...the chaotic, incompetent and idiotic way they did it was criminal though... indefensible...worse than South African Defense Force fleeing the Congo.... pathetic...a rook greenhorn like Hegseth does better...by far.

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Iran hostage crisis

A blindfolded American hostage with his hands tied up is brought out on to the compound of the embassy by students who stormed the embassy and took all the diplomatic staff hostage in front of the international media on 11th November 1979 in Tehran, IranKaveh Kazemi/Getty Images

Jan 7, 2020, 4:46 PM CT

In 1980, as 52 hostages were being held by Iranian students at the US Embassy in Tehran, a 34-year-old Donald Trump advocated for a US invasion of Iran.

In an October 1980 interview with gossip columnist Rona Barrett, uncovered on Tuesday by Brookings Institution amid an escalating crisis with Iran, Trump said the US "should really be a country that gets the respect of other countries."

"The Iranian situation is a case in point," he ad That they hold our hostages is just absolutely, and totally ridiculous. That this country sits back and allows a country such as Iran to hold our hostages, to my way of thinking, is a horror, and I don't think they'd do it with other countries. I honestly don't think they'd do it with other countries."

Barrett replied: "Obviously you're advocating that we should have gone in there with troops, et cetera, and brought our boys out like Vietnam."

To which Trump said: "I absolutely feel that, yes. I don't think there's any question, and there is no question in my mind. I think right now we'd be an oil-rich nation, and I believe that we should have done it, and I'm very disappointed that we didn't do it, and I don't think anybody would have held us in abeyance."

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According to historians Brendan Simms and Charlie Laderman, as cited by Brookings, this was Trump's first known comment on US foreign policy.

The Iranian hostage crisis began in November 1979 amid the Islamic revolution that saw Iran transition from being a pro-Western puppet to an oppressive, theocratic state and adversary of the US. Initially, 66 American hostages were taken, but that number dwindled t0 52 by July 1980 as hostages were released for various reasons. The crisis lasted for 444 days, ending on January, 20, 1981, the same day Ronald Reagan was inaugurated.

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Though the US did not launch a full-scale invasion over the crisis, it did launch a disastrous military operation in April 1980 meant to rescue the hostages that failed miserably and resulted in deaths of eight US service members. Former President Jimmy Carter's handling of the crisis is often cited as one of the primary reasons he did not win reelection.

The 1980 interview in many ways foreshadowed the tone of Trump's future presidential campaign and general stance toward Iran as commander-in-chief.

While running for president in 2016, Trump repeatedly said the US no longer had the world's respect, contending that he would bring it back. Since he entered the White House, however, polls have repeatedly suggested that Trump has eroded America's global credibility.

On January 3, Trump ordered a drone strike that killed Iran's most important military leader, Maj. Gen. Qassem Soleimani, in Baghdad. The US considered Soleimani a terrorist, and he'd been linked with the deaths of hundreds of US service members. But questions have still been raised by many in Washington regarding the proportionality of the strike, and whether it was worth the unfolding consequences.

Iran has fucked with America enough...this ends now.

https://www.youtube.com/live/WGBXXNXc-E4?si=hdRO6GOhjSubD80v

Lol... Marco the Minister who draws a parallel between a man on the moon with cagefighting on a lawn.

Now here we have total desperation:

Tell when you criticize Éamon de Valera on the grounds that he offered condolences to the German representative in Ireland on the death of his countries head of state as a mater of diplomatic protocol... are you going offer the same criticism of people who hold George Washington in high esteem. This is a man after all who spent his life owning slaves and when he died had over 300 slaves and who is known to have tolerated violence against slaves to keep them inline if the carrot approach didn't work. I mean what's sort of moral standing would anyone have if they thought well of George Washington... I guess all American's are deeply ashamed of him right? Or perhaps say Churchill for his role in Gallipoli and the famine in India. Or how about oh say Donald Trump when he supposedly spotted many fine people in that crowd of far right crowd in Charlotteville's, you know the crowd brandish countless Swastika's, confederate and white supremacist flag? But go ahead and lecture me on morals while you sing the praises of an indicated war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu.

Okay let’s take them case by case. Washington was a slave owner, totally normal in 1776. You can’t judge him without judging the whole culture. Voltaire was a slave owner.

Churchill made a very poor military decision against advice about Gallipoli. Many men died….it affected his reputation until he became the man that led the cause against Germany

Oh of course Donald Trump …he said there were some fine people in the crowd….there were….there were also people with Swastikas. Just another false connection.

And Netanyahu…..of course you would accuse him while ignoring all the Iranians killed and tortured by that regime. And the word is an indicted war criminal…not an indicated war criminal idiot. And given you don’t know the word you probably don’t no the implication…..it’s an accusation which starts the process of proof, not proof.

So you are trying to say that these alleged offenses are equivalent to killing 6 million people in cold blood, so de Valera was right to sympathize with the death of a man, who by then was known to have ordered the death of millions of Jews? Not by error, not by incompetence, not as an unintended by product of any action…..but by searching for them and then killing them deliberately in gas chambers, men women and children.

Your sense of moral equivalence is puerile.

"Lol... Marco the Minister who draws a parallel between a man on the moon with cagefighting on a lawn."

Whoosh!

"Your sense of moral equivalence is puerile."

Indeed...and it's getting worse...and I'm not talking about Stav... it's everyone.

Duh, we all know that...the chaotic, incompetent and idiotic way they did it was criminal though... indefensible...worse than South African Defense Force fleeing the Congo.... pathetic...a rook greenhorn like Hegseth does better...by far.

Dradd are you claiming Biden planned all of the details for the withdrawal from Afghanistan?

If that is true no wonder Biden was falling asleep so often, poor old bugger not only has to run the country but plan every action the American military makes with no help from the supposed experts at the pentagon

What is the point in having generals and the like in the army if all they do is implement Bidens military plans and cannot add their own ideas into the mix.

You really should take a step back sometimes and have a wee think about what you type.

If there is any blame for how it was done that fall fully on the American military not Biden.

Are you saying it would have gone different if Trump had planned it or would it suddenly be the military's fault it was a fuck up if your messiah had been in charge?