The differences on Site on the Ukraine War

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Can we get back to the war  ?

Now it seems a "very credible" source has stated that the US intentionally blew up the NORD pipeline, under the direct orde rs and over watch of Biden himself, and that the explosives were put there a long time ago, just waiting to see if Putin would invade the Ukraine.

Interesting times....

Who's the credible source or who's reporting they have a credible source?

Russel had a good update a few days ago...

To some degree what I was talking about before. Their reliance on you wanting to have a nice and simple story with a goodie and a baddie.

It's funny to me how vehemently most of you disagreed with what is so obviously true. Keep it simple so we don't have to think too much...huh?

What I'd love to know is whether you guys think Blackrock, Citadel and JP Morgan are humanitarian charities? 

"Who's the credible source or who's reporting they have a credible source?"

"Seymour Hersh, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, has claimed that US deep-sea divers planted mines along the pipelines that were remotely detonated"

Here is the article

ButtPlug, there are no 2-sides to the story. 
Putin invaded Ukraine, it is that simple. 

It is irrelevant that Ukraine is corrupt, or that the West is corrupt or that Russia is corrupt. This is nothing new.

The facts are that Ukraine exists as an independent country. Putin has no business sending his armies to try to take over the country, or some parts of it.

Russia threw the first punch, and everything that has happened since then is retaliation. 
Russia broke international law by invading a sovereign country. 

The West does not mind seeing Russia being humiliated on the battle field, and depleting its weapons. 

Putin tried to take over Ukraine for various reasons, so even if it is now a proxy war - if Putin left Ukraine this so-called proxy war would end. 

You support Russia and continue to lie through your teeth that you do not. 

Thanks Plum, yeah, that's the source...

Lets get back to the war then.  Rep Gaez said that Biden and some politicians from both parties  are involved in corruption and promoting the war in Ukraine.   Likely that the FBI would start re-investigating an allegation involving Gaetz in sex with a minor - a normal process when people are getting thorn in the side of the FBI difficult for the politicians or their co-liars in an effort to frame him somehow.   They investigated the allegations before and found nothing - but you never know with the American Gestapo or KGB - previously known as the FBI.

There is plenty of proof of Government corruption in the USA and that goes wider than the Ukraine War.   $5,4 b illion of Covid aids assistance money vanished in a wave of corruption and that is typical of what the Democratic Party is about.   Their policing subsidiary will not even try to investigate it and even if they do investigate and found the real culprits, the Justice Department will refuse to prosecute them.   Obama was as corrupt as possible and he made sure the FBI and Justice Department was captured - thus preventing investigation of corruption by politicians and bureaucrats.     Wonder whether Zuma learnt from Obama on protection of corrupt criminals or whether Obama learned it from Zuma. 

FishNuts... just watch the Russel Brand video so that you can perhaps stop with the irrelevant and stupid arguments. 

Aah...the old "attack the person when you can't refute their argument" strategy.

Same old same old. 

Lol you both just admitted that Brand is smarter than you and probably has more valid points on the issue.

Well done, you twits.

Their reliance on you wanting to have a nice and simple story with a goodie and a baddie.

It's funny to me how vehemently most of you disagreed with what is so obviously true. Keep it simple so we don't have to think too much...huh?

I would argue those who fall on your side of the argument are guilty of the same over simplification.

You and others have pointed out about how Russian and many western diplomats warned about the consequences of NATO expanding eastwards as have the likes of Noam Chomsky and John Mearsheimer. Diplomatic cables and released documents confirm this and also confirm that while no formal agreement was reached by the West and Russia not to expand NATO its pretty clear the West did lead Russia to believe they would not do, so their complaints about this do have merit.

Now its absolutely fine to point this out in the context of the Russo Ukraine war. The problem is that those who lay the blame at the west never present the full picture. They ignore or airbrush away the character of the Putin regime and its long list of anti western/democratic activities.

Correction, "in ButtPlug's mind they just admitted that Brand is smarter than them"... Ha, Ha 

SB

You are ideologically insane and an useful idiot when it came to Ukraine.     Who encouraged the breach by Ukraine of the Minsk Agreement of 2015 - the USA Government.    Instead of abiding of the Ukraine started a campaign of  abuse and murder of Russian speaking people in Ukraine and elimination of their human rights.    The Russians were forced into acting to protect the Russian speaking people in the new Fascist Government in Ukraine - while the US Government ran biological laboratories in Ukraine that posed a direct threat to Russia itself.   

I do not think Russia was correct in invading Ukraine and still favor negotiation to end the devastation - but there is no hope for that while American and Ukraine corruption feed the war.

"Now its absolutely fine to point this out in the context of the Russo Ukraine war. The problem is that those who lay the blame at the west never present the full picture. They ignore or airbrush away the character of the Putin regime and its long list of anti western/democratic activities."

I leave this out because Russia's guilt is given.

...is the simple and honest answer. 

I'm not going to type an essay on how guilty and evil Putin is every time that I want to make a point. 

And it's this gap then is then seized upon by the simpletons. 

I'm concerned about interests that don't give much of a crap about Russia, Ukraine or the world at large, pushing us to the brink of global catastrophe for reasons that have nothing to do with making the world better for anyone besides themselves.

And apparently, this is way too much for old FishNuts to grasp. Not that it surprises me. 

I'm not going to type an essay on how guilty and evil Putin is every time that I want to make a point.

Yet you want the West and Ukraine to make concessions to him?

And it's this gap then is then seized upon by the simpletons.

How do you know those simpletons haven't weighed the arguments and evidence presented by both sides and just came to the conclusion that Russia is overwhelmingly to blame for the present situation.

I'm concerned about interests that don't give much of a crap about Russia, Ukraine or the world at large, pushing us to the brink of global catastrophe for reasons that have nothing to do with making the world better for anyone besides themselves.

Well a problem is you can't give everyone what they want. Do Russia's and Ukraine's interests align? Is bowing down to nuclear threats in the interests of the world at large? Those calling for negotiations or concessions don't seem to care about Ukraine interests at all. They expect Ukraine to make all the concessions and nothing from Russia. They will of course say that Ukrainian's will stop dying in the fighting if they do so, ignoring the fact that polling shows the Ukrainian people overwhelming want to fight on and not make concessions and ignoring the fact that Ukrainian's will continue to be tortured raped and killed in the occupied territories. Is it really in the interests of the Russian people that Putin is victorious in Ukraine either, all that will do will strength his rule over Russia as well and make him harder to be removed by the Russian people if they wanted to do so.

If that article is true, it would certainly frail relations between Europe and the US.

Incidently Trump did not want the 2nd pipeline to be used. (So if Biden is the same, it is consistent policy)

Biden has lost his marbles, USA cannot compete with the Russians and Chinese anymore.

T hey should take the nuclear button away from that nutter. 

But your happy for putin to keep his finger on the button, no matter how senile Biden is I would rather putin didn't have access to the button than biden

Well come on then plumbum enlighten us less fortunate with some stunning new train of thought thats different from the usual repeating of the same old stance that you keep repeating over and over. 

I am waiting for your stunning revelations that show your superiority over us mere humans

Or is it just more of Biden bad putin good?

Stav

Well a problem is you can't give everyone what they want. Do Russia's and Ukraine's interests align? Is bowing down to nuclear threats in the interests of the world at large? Those calling for negotiations or concessions don't seem to care about Ukraine interests at all

First of all there is no truth in what you wrote above.   A Civil War broke out in Eastern Ukraine and the new unconstitutional Government in Kiev.   In an effort to settle the problems German and French met in Minsk with the Ukraine and Russian Government.    A termination of hostilities was decided on providing inter alia for -

*     THE RECOGNITION OF THE TERRIROTRIAL INEGRITY OF UKRAINE;  and

*      since Ukraine had no constitution anymore a new constitution be compiled based on a federal state situation and submitted for approval by the voters.

I know your response would deal with the Crimea.   You know that the decision to apply to Russia for incorporation of Ukraine and it was approved by virtually all Ukrainians in a referendum on the issue.    At the time of the Minsk agreement the Crimea was not a part of Ukraine anymore and was not even dealt with when the above agreement was concluded. 

Two weeks before the invasion Macron and Putin met in Minsk and restated the need for peace based on the 2015 Minsk agreement.   Howeve3r, Biden publicly undermined Macon in his negotiations when the moron said in a speech that the object of a war in Ukraine is aimed at removing Putin as President of Russia.   So two weeks before the invasion Putin still accepted the    integrity of Ukraine as a country.

Unless some collaborating evidence shows up, this story won't gain any traction.          

Coming from you this is a real joke.  Have you ever provided real proof of anything on site?   LMAO             

"...he just cites unnamed sources."

As opposed to revealing his sources.

I mean, I'm no journo but...

Sader...

ME --> Can we just establish, for once and for all:

Putin is crazy/evil. We all wish Russia didn’t have nukes. We all feel sorry for the Ukrainians and Russians dying in a war they didn’t start and won’t receive any benefit from regardless of the result. None of us want unnecessary deaths. We all want peace.

YOU --> Or is it just more of Biden bad putin good?

...ARE         YOU      HAVING      A       STROKE!!!???

As opposed to revealing his sources.

N o not at all I have a girlfriend to handle that, you should try it, its much better than doing it yourself.

It is like saying that we should look at both sides of the story with Hitler. The Jews can be annoying, and so can people in European countries.

So, while Hitler should not have invaded Europe and put Jews in concentration camps, we need to consider the whole story. That would prove to ButtPlug we think independently like him. 

Putin is the 21st-century version of Hitler. It is that simple 
It is against international law to invade a country and try to conquer it.

If he could conquer all of Europe and even the world, he would. That is what tyrannical imperialistic nutcases do. 

The nonsense spouted by DumbMike (e.g, 14,000 deaths) is the Putin rhetoric that has been debunked by sensible people. Only Dummies believe this, hence we have DumbMike...

Of the thousands of deaths of Russian/Ukrainian speakers- most were soldiers on both sides - not civilians. Russia has a long history of installing people to cause unrest in other countries to cause civil unrest and create a pretext motive for invading that country. (e.g Georgia). 

Then we have the other nonsense from ButtPlug about NATO expansion. 
NATO was fading away into irrelevance until Putin invaded Ukraine.
Had Putin not invaded Ukraine, how much longer would NATO have lasted?
Trump might have pulled the US out of NATO had he won a 2nd term.

Such idiots supporting NATO on- Ruckers I would have become a Putin fanatic if previously neutral.

They probably KGB agents doing reverse swing mentality. 

So ButtPlug, your solution is for everyone in the bar to consider all sides of the story and either do nothing or negotiate with a mad bombing terrorist by just giving him what he wants. 

I would rather try to do something, and as a last resort it may involve killing the bomber - like shooting him in the forehead to instantly kill him 

"like shooting him in the forehead to instantly kill him " LOL

If ever I'm a hostage, please Lord don't let Viskop be the negotiator.

"... like shooting him in the forehead to instantly kill him "

You don't understand the term "dead-man’s trigger"

You don't understand the term "dead-man’s trigger"