https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-turkey-pardon-biden-thanksgiving-election
Trump is like a turkey cheering for thanksgiving, or rather Biden being formally sworn in as president.
Rumours are circulating t hat Trump is leaving the Whitehouse shortly, and plans to make Mike Pence temporary president. Then Trump will make Pence pardon him- as Trump has already pardoned some of his other criminal friends from the election class of 2016.
Classical deranged rumor from the breathless Trump conspiracy set. But actually it would be fun to see him do it!
As for the turkey, I saw a bit of the ceremony and I thought the Donald was charming......human and funny.
Classical deranged rumor from the breathless Trump conspiracy set. But actually it would be fun to see him do it!
As for the turkey, I saw a bit of the ceremony and I thought the Donald was charming......human and funny.
Dream on...anything to do with Trump would end up in the Supreme Court....in the US you still have to have committed a crime to go to jail. It’s not enough to just dislike somebody. And if you want to continue this pathetic line of discussion, list his crimes.
If only there was a l aptop with evidence on it that implicated Trump in criminal activity.
Jail time for sure.
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"No wonder Trump does what the hell he likes, his supporters will cover for him no matter what."
I'm glad I'm not the only one whose noticed, funny though, I think if it was anyone else they'd have cried foul. Thank goodness it's coming to an end the experience has been nauseating.
Oh dear Anger.....you see that as posing two possible alternative realities. Get out your Oxford and look up ‘deranged’.
No Trump will exhaust the legal options to expose voter fraud, will provide a proper transition if that is not enough....which it won’t be, Will leave office with rising popularity and will be the strongest single force in US politics for the foreseeable future.
A better economy, a better ME, an exposed China, a stronger US military, more balanced courts and a developing wave of minority support for the Republican Party....a very successful presidency.
In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
No...in the land of the brainwashed, the senile man is king.
Since your both brainwashed and senile where do es that put you?
Trump turned the US into Nazi Germany?
Two birds with one stone there, StinkVis.
On the one hand showing how little respect you have for people that died in WW2 and by the same token revealing your atrocious understanding of history.
100% brainwashed.
0% worth the effort.
‘Trump destroyed democracy’.....how? More votes were cast in this election than any other. And I agree with Plum these comparisons to Nazi Germany are not only ludicrous they are offensive to those who died in WW2.
For years the Europeans have railed against American policy. Finally a president comes along who is willing to talk to N Korea, who can deal with both Israel and the Arabs and who wants to pull out US troops....and they hate him because he is a brash, white, American man.
Talk about the intellect being totally ruled by emotions.
Star,
How'd you attempt to resolve the underlying Israel-Palestine conflict?
And If you don't know, then how else would you attempt to contribute positively to the situation?
Agreements are always a viable solution between honorable parties.
Worked there with your lot, didn't it?
As long as the Middle East is religious, there will be an ongoing conflict.
God led Moses to the promised land. However, each side thinks the land was promised to them. Moses is the main character in the Koran, and the second most important character in the Bible.
North Korea haven’t tested long range missiles for a while. We don’t have a solution, but we do have some communication which is a safeguard. We had nothing valuable enough available to reach a complete agreement.
The ME is much better off than it was 4 years ago. ISIS is on life support. The Syrian conflict is quiet, and Trump was smart enough not to commit US troops as he was urged. And the emergence of fracking, expanded under Trump, has taken away the oil card.
Pulling out of the Iran deal merely recognizes it wasn’t a deal in the first place. Just a giveaway by Obama to pad his resume.
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I could go on, but it’s pointless...you do so believe what your masters tell you.
Oh sure sonny. Trump facilitated the rise of Isis.....check your timeline. Isis was still a full caliphate when Trump took over and his policies accelerated their demise. Nor would he ever have allowed them to occupy towns in a country we had supposedly subdued.....that was Obama.
You just parrot the establishment positions. Going into Afghanistan was justified according to you to get Bin Laden. But he was killed in Pakistan by special forces not the conventional military.
So you support the Afghan venture....but it was doomed from the start. A terrible mistake. Occupying a poor country with a completely alien culture and a fanatical religion is naive. You could only fail.
That was a Bush mistake, but really one of the establishment, always keen to have a new war. The US should have retaliated by air....wiped out all the Taliban camps and declared a no fly zone. All military activity could have been controlled from the air. No US soldier ever needed to die from a land mine.
We would have ended up in the same place with thousands fewer lives lost and billions of dollars saved.
The stupid group think of the establishment which guides your every thought was wrong on this one....not the only time. Iraq was worse.
In part these are moral issues but they are also practical issues.....the West should only intervene where there is a likelihood of a successful result....that was never on in Iraq, Afghanistan or Vietnam for example.
An intervention in Syria which your masters wanted would have also failed and hurt the citizens of the country, while further souring relationships with Russia. Frankly it was a dangerous idea....but that doesn’t bother the dumb establishment. Learning comes slowly.
".....and they hate him because he is a brash, white, American man."
I don't get the hate him because he's "white, American man."
No other president has suffered as much "hate" that I know because he's "white, American man."
Also think that Sharkbok is getting a bit carried away saying "Trump has been very successful in turning American into Nazi Germany"
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Nov 26, 2020, 13:11Trump has been very successful in turning American into Nazi Germany, and almost destroying Democracy in the US.
Had Trump retained the presidency despite losing the election, he would have never stood down- and became a dictator for life.Regardless of whether Trump won the election, the institutions of government are totally supported by the public and the military. There is no way Trump or any American leader can bypass those safeguards.
Denny the opprobrium towards white males in the US exists....not everybody triggers the response, but a self confident aggressive personality like Trump certainly does,
I dreaded the thought of another four years of Trump simply because he has a dictatorial style of leadership. Proof of this is that everyone has to agree with him and we saw how ruthless he became by dismissing those who held a different view point to him. The republican party has been compromised and is now the Trump Party and then also there's the blatant nepotism which would have followed at the end of his term with a family member taking control whether that be Kushner, his daughter or one of his sons. He would have had the supreme court in the palm of his hands alongside of the republican party. He had it all mapped......his exit is a stroke of good fortune of that I have little doubt. America can once again become America once he's gone.
Tante,
Too many ifs and buts and too little actual fact.
What's your opinion on Obama's "liberation of Libya"?
That's something that a) we know did happen and b) we can evaluate the consequences of.
Now tell me, did Trumps presidency result in or cause any event which was even approaching being nearly as bad?
Talk to me when you're drug free..........tx.
And when hopefully by some miracle you become coherent, let me know if you still believe I'm a Marxist or a Communist.
Tx again.
Yeah yeah
Heaven forbid you attempt to confront actual human rights abuses and war crimes, you bloody coward.
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/06/02/how-barack-obama-destroyed-libya/
PS no Tante, I don't think you're a communist or a Marxist.
Do I think you're stupid enough to pledge your support for a group without knowing whether the founders are self declared marxistS?
100% yes, I do.
You're not obedient are you?
Alright then have it your way, drag another skuif of your bong if you have to......just a pity you have to do it at 8 in the morning on an empty stomach.
Oh, in the event that you clear the fog from your head don't forget to let me know if you still believe I'm a Marxist or a Communist.
Tx again and again.
Oh ok, I see you're halfway there.....so tell me Bong Bong.....how did you suddenly conclude I'm not a Marxist or a Communist? Did you open a trap door to allow the bong smoke to escape from what little grey matter that's left in that part of the anatomy that poses as your head.
Sorry to interrupt your life dependent habit.....have another drag.
There.....how gooood does that make you feel Hmmmm?
Lol
So, I take it don't wanna talk about Obama and Libya then?
For the umpteenth time, kindly find below the definition of ad hominem and perhaps this time around it'll sink in.
argumentum ad hominem - Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself .
Yeah so? It's what you naturally do.....does Viskop ring a bell?
Actually Bong Bong, I'm not attacking you, truth be told I'm mocking you......and that's because you can't debate or you don't debate. How many more times do you have to be told ? Tried you a few times and it's been a waste of my time. Also, you're incoherent....and again you've been told but it hasn't registered with you, most times I think you love the sound of your own voice and that you're soaked in self importance. But if I were to be totally frank with you Id have to say I really don't give a flying fart what you think.......I'm not sure why once again something so simple doesn't register with you. I would appreciate if you made the effort to ignore me. I really would.
Tx in advance.
So, about Libya and Obama...
Hahahaha!
Trump never created the alt-right in the US, but they have grown under his watch. They all support Trump and his policies.
I have no doubt that Trump would try to remain in power for the rest of his life, if he had continued in a second term.
He would fill ever position with loyalists, even if the did not have the ability. (e.g. Scott Atlas). This would give him the power to change the constitution because "The Democrats had spied on his 2016 campaign". Trump had already been talking about another 12 years, instead of 4 years.
Trump's second term would have started by firing anyone who disagreed with him, even a boot licker like William Barr. Key positions would be filled by Qanon and far right-wing misinformation and conspiracy specialists, taking America backwards.
Calling for the arrest of his political opponents is Hitler stuff- or African Authoritarism populism votes, Russian communism etc. Bullying the media to try force an organisation like Foxx News to be his lapdogs.
Changing the education system to promote the American master race etc, etc.
"Oh sure sonny. Trump facilitated the rise of Isis.....check your timeline. Isis was still a full caliphate when Trump took over and his policies accelerated their demise. Nor would he ever have allowed them to occupy towns in a country we had supposedly subdued.....that was Obama."
My bad I meant to say Bush, must have been a Biden moment for me.
As I've already said Isis was already in decline when Trump took over, having lost about 50% of its territory during the Obama administration. Trump can take significant credit in reducing their territory and degrading their capabilities further but he can not take sole credit. Secondly it was Obama's policies that Trump used to combat Isis, thirdly Isis has not been fully defeated.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/real-world-capabilities-isis-threat-continues
" You just parrot the establishment positions. Going into Afghanistan
was justified according to you to get Bin Laden. But he was killed in
Pakistan by special forces not the conventional military.
Also I didn't release America was in the business of subduing countries, I thought they where in the business of liberation and Iraq was now an ally. Explain to me how Obama was suppose to stop Isis from taking those towns?
"You just parrot the establishment positions. Going into Afghanistan was justified according to you to get Bin Laden. But he was killed in Pakistan by special forces not the conventional military.
So you support the Afghan venture....but it was doomed from the start. A terrible mistake. Occupying a poor country with a completely alien culture and a fanatical religion is naive. You could only fail.
That was a Bush mistake, but really one of the establishment, always keen to have a new war. The US should have retaliated by air....wiped out all the Taliban camps and declared a no fly zone. All military activity could have been controlled from the air. No US soldier ever needed to die from a land mine."
I'm sort of the on the fence on the war in Afghanistan. On the one hand the Taliban had not attacked the US, yes they where and still are a brutal group of people but does that justify war, not necessarily. They where however widely believed to be harboring the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks and showed no signs of handing him over. Just because he was later killed in Pakistan does not mean he was not given sanctuary around the time of 9/11 by the Taliban in Afghanistan. Given the scale of the 9/.11 attacks it was inevitable America would have to respond if Bin Laden wasn't handed over.
The Taliban didn't have camp's that was Al-Qaida, the Taliban where in power controlling most of the country. Yes you could of bombed the camp's from the air but how could you ever be sure you got them all or that Bin Laden was dead without troops on the ground. If they just bombed from the air the Taliban could have sheltered Al-Qaida in town and cities and intermixed them with the civilian population for protection. I have no idea why you think a no-fly zone would have worked, neither the Taliban or Al-Qaida had an airforce.
Your arguments are too simplistic, If you studied military history, you would know airpower is a major element of warfare but time and again it's been proven that it doesn't win wars on its own.
"Occupying a poor country with a completely alien culture and a fanatical religion is naive. You could only fail."
This is true, but once you made an error and invaded do you not compound the mistake by just leaving the country to fend for itself after you destroyed a large part of it, that just results in a power vacuum where potentially even worse people can obtain power.
One of the other awful things about the Iraq war was that it meant America took its eyes off Afghanistan and the security situation deteriorated there as a result.
"An intervention in Syria which your masters wanted would have also failed and hurt the citizens of the country, while further souring relationships with Russia. Frankly it was a dangerous idea....but that doesn’t bother the dumb establishment. Learning comes slowly."
Yet where you not complaining that Obama has lost Syria in another thread, yet here you are saying an intervention would have been a disaster.