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The Lincoln Project - To end Trumpism, not Republicanism

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04 Aug 2020, 20:51
#41
04 Aug 2020, 20:51#41

He does not care Plum...he loves his own world view.

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05 Aug 2020, 02:23
#42
05 Aug 2020, 02:23#42

Bum Plum back in the day...



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05 Aug 2020, 02:45
#43
05 Aug 2020, 02:45#43

Ou Vrottie finds himself in a corner and has to resort to his moronic diversions again.

So, no option C then StinkVis?

Hahahaha

Ta...Ta...Ta...Ta...tool!

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05 Aug 2020, 09:13
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05 Aug 2020, 09:13#44

Vrottie must be so tired of being cornered by his own words.

Like watching a toddler with roll of tape. 

And option C is...not available at this time due to egregious miscalculation by the morons that be.

Whahahahaha.

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05 Aug 2020, 09:45
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05 Aug 2020, 09:45#45

PIERS MORGAN: President Trump's painfully deluded train-wreck HBO interview proved he hasn't just lost control of the coronavirus – he's lost control of reality

By Piers Morgan for MailOnline

Published: 21:33 AEST, 4 August 2020 | Updated: 01:26 AEST, 5 August 2020


In every great American crisis, there is a moment where the whole world can see the true character of a President.

For George W. Bush it came when he was photographed staring down from the luxurious comfort of Air Force One on the wreckage wrought by Hurricane Katrina, after his government's woefully inadequate federal response. The picture made him look detached and uncaring, and worst of all, a weak and ineffectual leader. He never recovered from it.

For Bill Clinton, it came with his infamous 'I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms Lewinsky' declaration. When it turned out he had indeed had multiple sexual relations with that woman, his reputation was badly damaged.

Conversely, for John F. Kennedy, you could point to his rousing 1962 speech challenging America to go to the moon, instilling in Americans a spirit of unlimited optimism, as the moment when he sparked a deep abiding popularity that lasts to this day.

Similarly, for Ronald Reagan, his audacious 'Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall!' command at Berlin's Brandenburg Gate to the leader of the Soviet Union, cemented his place in history.

For President Donald J. Trump, there have been many grim moments during his catastrophic handling of the coronavirus pandemic that may end up defining his presidency.

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05 Aug 2020, 10:47
#46
05 Aug 2020, 10:47#46

Sounds like politicising the Pandemic to me.

That exact thing being part of the reason why the US have been hit harder.

Remember Pelosi's Chinatown party?

The moment the Whitehouse began dealing with Covid, the left in the US took to politicising the issue. 


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05 Aug 2020, 16:23
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05 Aug 2020, 16:23#47

"On Monday April 27, 2020,  the US Navy released three video clips — “FLIR,” “GOFAST” and “GIMBAL” — on the Naval Air Systems Command website, available for the first time to download through the Freedom of Information Act.

In releasing the videos, the U.S. Navy officially acknowledges that its pilots encountered so-called unidentified aerial phenomena, according to the military news website Military.com.

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05 Aug 2020, 16:49
#49
05 Aug 2020, 16:49#49

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05 Aug 2020, 22:20
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05 Aug 2020, 22:20#50

Lol Shark

That's great. Brilliant actually. I mean, the genius is just unparalleled.

So clever to trick the navy with all their highly qualified pilots and technical staff with a simple photoshoped video.

What's even more brilliant is that you figured it out.

Gasps of disbelief vacated my face as I read your inspiring synopsis of "Meh Photoshop." 

Haha you tooL

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05 Aug 2020, 22:59
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05 Aug 2020, 22:59#51
Bum Plum you are the same person who thinks that 9/11 was an inside job conspiracy. It is your fix, looking for an alternative to mainstream reality. 
You have no objectivity, you will always look for the alternative reality and ignore evidence or flawed arguments. However, if the evidence was the same for the mainstream reality, you will ignore it. 
I don't see a picture of an alien ship. I see a small dot bouncing around. It sounds like a muppet in the background, not a highly trained member of staff. A junior staff member at best.

The reality is 10 years from now, it will be the same situation. No aliens, just a new conspiracy. "Former Pentagon leader that no one has ever heard of, is about to let the world know about aliens". 
You are part of the alt-right crew that believes any conspiracy. A below-average intelligence person, nothing more, but perhaps less.

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06 Aug 2020, 09:52
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06 Aug 2020, 09:52#52

You're so right Vrotkop.

I mean, the least they can do is give you a guided tour of the vehicle.

Lol what a plank.

You want clearer images.

Here's one taken in 1956 by a female South African pilot as she was flying above one. The original photos w ere auctioned off recently.

1950s Photoshop?

E Klarer




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06 Aug 2020, 17:36
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06 Aug 2020, 17:36#53
LMAO!
Reading up about DumbPlum's new heroine Elizabeth Klarer on Wikipedia is a hoot! She apparently had multiple encounters with an alien named Akon and she even bore his child!
Here are some excerpts:
In April 1958 a series of contacts would have started which would set her story apart from the 1950s standard. These visits by Akon would have culminated in a day-long rendezvous with Elizabeth on the high plateau of Cathkin Peak, where he supposedly presented her with a silver ring which enhanced their telepathic connection. Their love was then consummated and a child was conceived at her advanced age of 48 years.[6][7]
"I surrendered in ecstasy to the magic of his love making, our bodies merging in magnetic union as the divine essence of our spirits became one."[6]
Very romantic . . . ". . . our bodies merging in magnetic union" but wait, there's more . . .
After a terrestrial pregnancy she (with her MG car) would have been transported in 1959 to Akon's home planet, Meton, supposedly orbiting Proxima Centauri in the nearby multiple-star system Alpha Centauri. There she would have delivered the male child.[2] Her son, Ayling, stayed behind on Meton to be educated, while Elizabeth reluctantly came home. Meton's planetary vibrations affected her heart, and she was consequently not permitted to return there, instead receiving follow-up visits from Akon and Ayling.[4] The whole trip, delivery and return trip supposedly required less than four months, sufficiently long to enable a nine year stay on Meton however.[6]
Hmmm . . . must say this planet Meton sounds like quite a cool place . . . if a teeny bit . . . ummm . . . Marxist! See for yourself . . .
There were no cities or skyscrapers as Earth people know them anywhere on Meton. Homes were scattered in park-like grounds... There was an abundance of all things needed by civilization – food, water and all materials for building, an unlimited supply of energy on tap from the atmosphere and the Universe, no shortages of any kind and no monetary system at all.

This is the woman whose "photograph" we're supposed to take seriously? Waaaaahahahahahahaha!
But hang on, talking of her "photograph" and DumbPlum's snide little "1953 photoshop" comment, here's what Ufologist and one-time Klarer-supporter Phillip Human had to say about her "photographs" . . .
"I do not believe one word of her supposed contacts and it was a standing joke the way she was helped to photograph an ordinary motor car hubcap. So much for her photographs . . ."

LMAO! A motor car hubcap!
Poor DumbPlum . . .
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06 Aug 2020, 17:45
#54
06 Aug 2020, 17:45#54

HA, HA, HA, HA

You could not make this stuff up. What a dummy, Plummy is. 

A Trum-panzee of note-  the Bum Plum-Panzee



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Aug 06, 2020, 09:52

You're so right Vrotkop.

I mean, the least they can do is give you a guided tour of the vehicle.

Lol what a plank.

You want clearer images.

Here's one taken in 1956 by a female South African pilot as she was flying above one. The original photos were auctioned off recently.

1950s Photoshop?

E Klarer

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06 Aug 2020, 17:56
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06 Aug 2020, 17:56#55
Ha, Ha
It was actually a threesome, with Bum Plum on the bottom...playing hard to get. 

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06 Aug 2020, 18:02
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06 Aug 2020, 18:02#56

I forgot to add an important bit . . . the comment by Elizabeth's "supportive" husband Aubrey, when asked how he felt about his wife having a love-affair with an alien, becoming pregnant with a half-human half-alien child and flying off to a planet orbiting Proxima Centauri to give birth . . . Aubrey's response . . . 

"That's alright with me . . . as long as he stays in space where he belongs."

LMAO!

What a gu y!

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06 Aug 2020, 18:07
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06 Aug 2020, 18:07#57


OMG!!! Are you guys really that flacid of mind?

You two chimps keep falling for the same shit every day.

This is EXACTLY the point numbskulls - a picture proves nothing.

Whahahahahahaha

At least try to think ahead...just once!

Now that's settled can we get on with the actual point.

That being, why the rigmarole about UFO in government and media?

...or is that still above your paygrade, Vrottie?




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06 Aug 2020, 18:39
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06 Aug 2020, 18:39#58
Wehe . . . DumbPlum's position has changed quite significantly since he was asking if we were dumb enough to think his pic was a 1950s photoshop.
Talk about getting egg all over your face . . . and then being too much of a coward to admit it!
By the way, I've just been doing a few sums. Elizabeth's trip to Proxima Centauri (round trip, there and back including the delivery of the child) only took her 4 months of our time (9 years in Meton time though). I just checked Proxima Centauri and although it's the closest star to the Sun, it is still 4.2 light years away so Elizabrth would have travelled at . . . let's see . . . 4.2 light years is 4.2 x 9.46 trillion km = 39 732 000 000 000 in 2 months (being generous here and allocating zero time for the birth and bonding between mother and alien-child) so basically that distance in 1440 hours = just north of 27.5 billion kmh.

Wow! Good thing she was an experienced pilot . . . although I'm quite sure she never got close to those speeds in her Tiger Moth.

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06 Aug 2020, 18:44
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06 Aug 2020, 18:44#59
"You want clearer images.

Here's one taken in 1956 by a female South African pilot as she was flying above one. The original photos were auctioned off recently.

1950s Photoshop?"
The above somehow evolved into "a picture proves nothing" while no-one was looking.
LMAO!
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06 Aug 2020, 19:22
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06 Aug 2020, 19:22#60
It just goes to show why some people hate scientists, simply because they cant understand mainstream reality. They fear scientists who can use evidence to build logical reality. They take away the religious BS of faith with hard facts. 
Bum Plum the pseudointellectual pretending he thinks logically. Never has any poster made such a fool of themselves before today. 
And it was all based on some someone claiming they were abducted by aliens, with photos to prove it.
If Plum was not at the orgy, maybe it is alien spawn? 
By the way, photo editing tools have existed as long as photos themselves.  Certainly good enough to make such pathetic attempts of an alien ship like those you provided as your "proof"
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06 Aug 2020, 20:05
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06 Aug 2020, 20:05#61
Stupid is one thing, what DumbPlum tried to do here is another thing completely. 
Don't know if there's one word that sums it up but it's a combination of cowardice, weakness of character and deceit.
"A picture proves nothing" says the weak, cowardly and egg-faced liar after putting up a link to pictures that he claimed at the time was clearer and couldn't possibly have been photoshopped . . . and he still added some bollocks about how the originals had been auctioned off because they were so important or valuable!
LMAO!
What a loser!
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06 Aug 2020, 20:54
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06 Aug 2020, 20:54#62

Don't you two just look like fools right about now?

No photo or video is ever gonna be enough. No matter how clear or legit. That much is clear from your previous dismissal of the Fravor tapes.

And that's the point. 

Sorry I had to embarrass you to prove it.

At what point are we gonna get to Sharks option C.

That is what this is all about after all.

Fancy helping him out RCom?


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06 Aug 2020, 20:56
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06 Aug 2020, 20:56#63
"Sorry I had to embarrass you to prove it."
Oh right, I brought up Elizabeth Klarer's photo as a valid and clear example . . . I'm the one who should feel embarrassed!
Silly me.
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07 Aug 2020, 08:28
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07 Aug 2020, 08:28#64

You'll notice how Shark, that actual coward here still hasn't dared to offer up his option C.


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07 Aug 2020, 09:40
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07 Aug 2020, 09:40#65

Go on Shark, put your voltage where you silly mouth is. I'm all ears.

Remember, UFOs do not exist and there is no conspiracy in government to disseminate false information regarding the subject through telling pilots, military consultants and soldiers make up stories about aliens.

Fill us in Vrottie. Tell us your option C.

Keep in mind that your story needs to account for numerous different gov ernment and military departments, personnel and private citizens all converging on the topic without the presence of a coordinated conspiracy.

Or do you require another clear picture first?

Hahahahahahahahahaha...

TOOL!

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07 Aug 2020, 10:10
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07 Aug 2020, 10:10#66

"It just goes to show why some people hate scientists, simply because they cant understand mainstream reality. They fear scientists who can use evidence to build logical reality. They take away the religious BS of faith with hard facts. "


Are you insane? You are the one ignoring hard facts...La-La-Land is full of fools.

Just because science can't explain something yet, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There's a huge difference between actual science and seemingly scientific jargon.

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07 Aug 2020, 13:32
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07 Aug 2020, 13:32#67
Draad, you are one of the happy-clappies that is anti-science. You prefer conspiracies over reality.  You like to make false accusations against people that are famous but do not share your ideology- like Tom Hanks.
Science can explain just about everything- but as you stated it is a work in progress for mankind to understand. 
Anyone with at least one scientific brain cell can see Elizabeth Klarer is a hoax. She is either crazy, or a con-artist targeting crazy people with her book.
Some people will try to understand things as part of religious reality and blind faith. They will dishonestly bend the data to fit into their own fictional reality which will give them exclusive access into heaven. The VIP package...  

When the Bible was disproven by science (e.g. God created the Earth in 7 days)- many of the religious realised that the Bible cant be read literally.
So it became figurative giving the believers a poetic license to customise it to their needs as they go along. So now everyone can interpret scripture subjectively- which is just a subjective opinion. 
Even if everyone in the world was religious and believed in the single Bible- there would still be disagreements between interpretation. 
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07 Aug 2020, 13:41
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07 Aug 2020, 13:41#68
@Bum Plum, I don't even know what you are on about half the time. What is option 3, although to be honest, I am not even interested in knowing...and especially having to reread your nonsense in depth. 
You are still banging on about Elizabeth Klarer, who let's face it is a joke. Just like others who have claimed to see aliens, they would not be credible witnesses inside a courtroom for anything else.Why would aliens always want to abduct crazy people, instead of say a well-acclaimed doctor or scientist etc.
It is very simple. You want to believe in something, so you filter reality to meet that end. If the same evidence was presented for something that you did not want to believe, you would just discard it for the BS that it is. And even if it was not BS, you would discard the facts as they contradict your reality. 
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07 Aug 2020, 14:05
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07 Aug 2020, 14:05#69
"Or do you require another clear picture first?"
Yes please DumbPlum, give us another clear picture. The last one was hilarious and I'm still chuckling whenever I think about it.
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07 Aug 2020, 15:30
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07 Aug 2020, 15:30#70

Haha Vrottie.

And right back to banging on about religious people in at attempt deflecting.

"..Beep...Beep...Beep me no understandy...Beep Boop Christians..."

What an ironic plonker of situation you're in.

Criticizing people for their stated beliefs while you cower and/or run from the prospect of having to clarify your own thoughts.

Every day and although fail, the toolbox embarrasses himself.

Tool


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07 Aug 2020, 16:37
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07 Aug 2020, 16:37#71
A younger Bumb Plum around the time it all started...

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07 Aug 2020, 16:45
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07 Aug 2020, 16:45#72

Yeah yeah...

We al l know what it means when you start posting pictures.

Poor guy. 

Hahahahaha

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07 Aug 2020, 16:55
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07 Aug 2020, 16:55#73
Does "we" include the aliens 

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Yeah yeah...

We all know what it means when you start posting pictures.

Poor guy. 

Hahahahaha

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07 Aug 2020, 17:39
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07 Aug 2020, 17:39#74

It includes everyone that sees you for the hillbilly that you are.

And you mock Christians. 

What a laugh you are toolbox.

And still no option C. 

Whahahahahaha. Guy can't even explain why he thinks what he thinks. If ever there was an epitome of stupidity, I believe that's it.

Tool.


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07 Aug 2020, 19:30
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07 Aug 2020, 19:30#75
"Science can explain just about everything-"
No it can't...not even close...there is too much to know...300 years there was no distinction between chemistry and alchemy...but today we know the huge difference...someday science might be able to explain the metaphysical ...rejecting unexplainable observable phenomena is not the scientific way though...and your perpetual childish trolling of Christianity only showcase your own insecurities and bigotry. 
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07 Aug 2020, 20:08
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07 Aug 2020, 20:08#76
No Draad, science has existed long before man. The universe has laws of physics. Observable phenomena confirm that. Man never invented science, instead, it is being learnt it over time. 
So understanding of science will continue to improve.  
1 = 1 and 0 = 0. Scientific facts, regardless of whether the earth existed. Earth would then = 0 if it did not exist.   

As for the happy-clappy bigotry, you are anti-ideology that is not what you prefer - so it is par for the course.
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07 Aug 2020, 20:13
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07 Aug 2020, 20:41
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07 Aug 2020, 20:41#78

No, science is the man made discipline/"language" to explain the observable universe...physics is a part of that.

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07 Aug 2020, 20:45
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07 Aug 2020, 20:45#79

"Science is the pursuit and application of knowledge and understanding of the natural and social world following a systematic methodology based on evidence. Scientific methodology includes the following: Objective observation: Measurement and data (possibly although not necessarily using mathematics as a tool)"

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07 Aug 2020, 20:48
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07 Aug 2020, 20:48#80

"1 = 1 and 0 = 0. Scientific facts, regardless of whether the earth existed. "

No, that's mathematics...another human concept...to measure and contextualize our surroundings. 

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