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Ukraine could be the demorats Waterloo. Look at this !!!!

Started by Beeno19 REPLIES393 VIEWS· 23 Nov 2019, 21:34
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Nov 2019, 21:34
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23 Nov 2019, 21:34#1



Again, has it been Trump who has been setting the Democrats up all along?

Schiff and Pelosi are not who they might seem to be.

They had a lot more to gain than an impeachment here.

They were fighting to deflect their own guilt.

Of course there were other Dems who were involved in dirty dealings with Ukraine, involving millions of $$$.

Anyone that has been following this charade probably understands that BIG NAME Dems like The Clintons, Obama, Kerry and The Bidens are probably scared to death of their dealings being exposed.

Is Trump going to eliminate all the top brass Democrats with an extension of this Show Trial?

Trump is a smart man.

Maybe this has been the plan all along.

Maybe he wanted to be impeached so he could gather all of the guilty in one place and shine a light on them all.

Pelosi and Schiff are not the only ones who should be afraid.

Dean Garrison is the Publisher of DC Clothesline and DC Dirty Laundry

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Nov 2019, 22:50
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23 Nov 2019, 22:50#2

One guy is missing from the above - John Podesta - Clinton's Campaign Manager..    

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Nov 2019, 22:50
#3
23 Nov 2019, 22:50#3

Is this what you are referring to:-

"Ukrainian members of parliament have demanded the presidents of Ukraine and the United States, Volodymyr Zelensky and Donald Trump, investigate suspicions of the legalization of $7.4 billion by the "family" of ex-President Viktor Yanukovych through the American investment fund Franklin Templeton Investments, which they said has ties to the U.S. Democratic Party.

At a press conference at the Interfax-Ukraine agency on Wednesday, MP Andriy Derkach announced that deputies have received new materials from investigative journalists about international corruption and the participation of Ukrainian officials in it.

"Last week, November 14, the Prosecutor General's Office (PGO), unnoticed by the media, announced a new suspicion to the notorious owner of Burisma, ex-Ecology Minister Zlochevsky. According to the suspicion, the Yanukovych family is suspected, in particular, with legalizing (laundering) of criminally obtained income through Franklin Templeton Investments, an investment fund carrying out purchases of external government loan bonds totaling $7.4 billion," Derkach said.

With reference to the investigation, he emphasized: it was money criminally obtained by the "family" of Yanukovych and invested in the purchase of Ukrainian debt in 2013-2014.

For his part, MP Oleksandr Dubinsky from the Servant of the People faction said that according to investigators, "the Yanukovych 'family' illegally obtained $7.4 billion and laundered the funds through an investment fund close to some representatives of the U.S. Democratic Party in the form of external government loan bonds."

Meanwhile, Derkach said that several facts indicate Franklin Templeton Investments' relationship with the U.S. Democratic Party.

"The son of Templeton's founder, John Templeton Jr., was one of President Obama's major campaign donors. Another fund-related character is Thomas Donilon. Managing Director of BlackRock Investment Institute, shareholder Franklin Templeton Investments, which has the largest share in the fund. It is noteworthy that he previously was Obama's national security advisor," Derkach said.

The MP said that the presidents of Ukraine and the United States should combine the efforts of the two countries to establish facts of corruption and money laundering with the participation of citizens of both countries.

"President Zelensky must pick up the phone, dial Trump, ask for help and cooperation in the fight against corruption and fly to Washington. The issue of combating international corruption in Ukraine with the participation of citizens, businessmen and U.S. officials should become a key during the meeting of the two presidents," he said.

Derkach said as a result of the meeting, it is necessary to build interaction between the Ukrainian investigating authorities and the U.S. Department of Justice to obtain information about the organizers of the bond issue, clients and beneficiaries of investment funds for each purchase, interrogate fund officials, etc.

As reported, on October 9, 2019, Derkach published official correspondence between NABU and the U.S. Embassy, according to which the first deputy of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU), Gizo Uglava, through his assistant Polina Chyzh, for a long time provided the U.S. Embassy with information that negatively affected the course of events in Ukraine and the United States.

Derkach said Chyzh received instructions from the representative of the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine Hanna Emelyanova to provide information on the case involving Zlochevsky.

Derkach also announced the amount of money transferred to representatives of the Burisma Group, including Hunter Biden. According to documents, in general, in favor of Hunter Biden, Alexander Kwasniewski, Alan Apter and Devon Archer, Burisma paid about $16.5 million.

According to Derkach, ex-Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin repeatedly appealed to the NABU Director Artem Sytnyk in the framework of criminal proceedings for Burisma, but constantly received formal responses. The activities of Shokin, according to the MP, irritated then U.S. Vice President Joe Biden during his fifth visit to Kyiv in two years. The visit on December 7-8, 2015, was devoted to solving the issue of Shokin's resignation for the affairs of Zlochevsky and Burisma, he said.

"The subject of pressure was the $1 billion credit guarantee that the United States should have provided to Ukraine: Biden himself acknowledged the pressure in his speech to the U.S. Foreign Relations Council in January 2018," Derkach said.”

 I am afraid that the moment I saw the link between the Obama Administration and certain companies associ ated with Obama and Biden - the situation is clear,   Bribery and corruption personified.

The Franklin Templeton Instiutute were fined $50 million for irregular activities in California in 2004 and paid the full amount by 2008.   They also had similar problems in Canada,    

The Institute is also involved in activities in South Africa and one wonders what they were actually doing and if there was any link with the Zuma Government - since they seem to get involved in corrupt countries like Ukraine and SA,      


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Nov 2019, 09:20
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24 Nov 2019, 09:20#4

I tried to do fact checking on Hunter's work for Burisma and there were references as to legal and financial advice - but also indicated he never went to Ukraine himself as to any work-related activity and also a reference to the firing of Shokin because he was ineffective in fighting corruption.    That smells like a cover-up by Reuters,  

They claimed that Giulani has no factual documents to support the claims of Trump and Giulani - which obviously is false - a complete cover-up by the media.   Fact is that there were also three transcripts of discussions between Biden and the then Ukrainian President that is now been requested because it occurred after the home of the Burisma Chairman was raided by personnel working for Shokin and the subsequent announcement of Biden that Shokin should be fired as a pre-condition for a loan guarantee of $1 billion.   

The fact is there are a number of sworn statements with supporting documents that the US Embassy was used as a protection mechanism of Burisma and was involved in the Russian Hoax story from the word go.

Stinks to high heaven though.                 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Nov 2019, 09:20
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24 Nov 2019, 09:20#5

Duplicate

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Nov 2019, 17:40
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24 Nov 2019, 17:40#6

Rudy has a track record as a crime  and corruption fighter...cor anyone to be claiming that he's a liar or corrupt himself is an obvious desperate attempt at wishing away the real truth...I see Rooi doesn't like Rudy much either...I wonder why.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Nov 2019, 18:45
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24 Nov 2019, 18:45#7

Draad

Rooinek is totally under the influence of the leftist media and hate Trump as much as they do,   I do not like Trump as a person either - but he is a really good president under constant attack by the DP.   The real reason is that Washington became a swamp of corruption - especially under Obama and some of the top DP members have good reason to be afraid of what may come out,   

They have reason to hate Giulani - he is exposing them regularly,   I think the Russian Hoax was started to use as propaganda against Trump so as to ensure he did not win the election,   When he  did win the DP panicked and now got themselves in huge trouble.  They should have kept quiet and work to improve the life of the citizens, but crooks will always be devious and the fact is people are getting sick and tired of the whole situation over the last three years.                   

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
24 Nov 2019, 22:26
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24 Nov 2019, 22:26#8
"Rooinek is totally under the influence of the leftist media . . ."
I never read or watch any left-wing media. I follow US politics by reading Bozo's Twitter account and laughing at some of the funny and clever comments and memes from witty and intelligent people . . . but either way, I'd rather be under the influence of leftist media than be a stubborn, brainwashed and phenomenally stupid person.
Just saying.
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
24 Nov 2019, 22:45
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24 Nov 2019, 22:45#9

Sounds to me like you must be quoting your wife.


If you are please convey our deepest sympathy to her for having to live with you.

FOUR MORE YEARS.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Nov 2019, 02:29
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25 Nov 2019, 02:29#10

Rooinek refer us to the websites you quoted obviously indicate that you take them seriously,   That is exactly opposite to what you write.   I am not stupid - I recognize exactly what is really happening in the case of the DP and their propaganda arm.   I do not believe I am influenced by propaganda - but logic indicates there is something wrong in what is happening through all the drama involving with first the Russian Hoax linking Trump to Putin, which you repeated religiously on site and ended up being false.   That went on for more than two years - now it is the new story.

When that famous telephone call was made - it was clear that Trump wanted the new  Ukraine President to implement his policy on bribery and corruption he based his election  campaign on.  That was all - but unfortunately there were some real evidence that the Obama administration was knee-deep in the corruption muddle,   The DP did not want it exposed,  Neither did they want to expose what really was the situation as to usage of foreign involvement and the help it could provide to Clinton in 2016,   It was totally based on lies and led to the Mueller investigation which found no linkage between Trump and the Russians, and ignore obvious links between Putin and Clinton.

No Rooinek - what I hate in politics is bribery and corruption and that is what really happened under the presidencies of Clinton, Bush and Obama and became embedded in governance.  The longer it lasted the more crooked it became.  The effort to get rid of Trump has nothing to do with what he did and everything to do with his fight against corruption in the Washington establishment.                             

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