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'United States of extortion': New Trump Ukraine 'shakedown' called 'cheap mafia' move

Started by Denny49 REPLIES1,155 VIEWS· 15 Feb 2025, 10:15
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Feb 2025, 10:15
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15 Feb 2025, 10:15#1

Just weeks into his second term, President Donald Trump’s administration is not only grappling with a growing colossus of self-inflicted crises, but is now igniting international tensions as well. The administration is pressuring Ukraine to relinquish rights to half of its valuable precious metals—just as Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin prepare to begin negotiations to end Russia’s illegal war against Ukraine.


“Multiple lawmakers here in Munich told me the U.S. Congressional delegation presented Zelensky with a piece of paper they wanted him to sign which would grant the U.S. rights to 50% of Ukraine’s future mineral reserves,” Washington Post foreign policy and national security columnist Josh Rogin reported Friday afternoon from the Munich Security Conference.

“Zelensky politely declined to sign it,” he added.

Trump has made it clear he expects Ukraine to hand over the rights to its rare earth minerals, which are extremely valuable.

“Rare earths are a group of 17 metals used to make magnets that turn power into motion for electric vehicles, cell phones, missile systems, and other electronics. There are no viable substitutes,” Reuters reported. The news outlet also noted that Trump “said on Monday he wants Ukraine to supply the United States with rare earth minerals as a form of payment for financially supporting the country’s war efforts against Russia.”


“We’re telling Ukraine they have very valuable rare earths,” Trump said. “We’re looking to do a deal with Ukraine where they’re going to secure what we’re giving them with their rare earths and other things.”

Trump’s expected haul: “close to $300 billion,” or more.

“We are going to have all this money in there, and I say I want it back. And I told them that I want the equivalent, like $500 billion worth of rare earth,” Trump said Monday, CBS News reported. “They have essentially agreed to do that, so at least we don’t feel stupid.”

The New York Times on Wednesday suggested Kyiv may be willing to play ball with the billionaire businessman.

“President Trump says he wants to make a deal for minerals from Ukraine in exchange for aid. That followed a long effort by Ukrainian officials to appeal to Mr. Trump’s transactional nature.”

Earlier this week Bloomberg reported on Trump’s call with Putin, saying, “European leaders, who were broadly aligned with Washington under Biden, were stunned to learn of the call and some said it appeared to signal that Trump was selling out Ukraine.”


“Trump is skeptical of providing more aid,” Bloomberg continued, “and if he does then he wants the US to be compensated – perhaps in the form of access to Ukraine’s mineral wealth. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent was in Kyiv today to work on that part of the deal.”


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Feb 2025, 10:18
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15 Feb 2025, 10:18#2

Denny, how did you post this .... tech speak.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Feb 2025, 10:42
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15 Feb 2025, 10:42#3

Did nothing different to what I did before the change.

Opened up Beeno's Trumpet

Chose the normal things like Mike's Madness/Politics etc

Left the page open

Went to the news page I wanted to copy

Copied the title of the subject and pasted into the header section of 'Mikes Madness'/ Politics etc

Reverted to the open news page again and piece meal copied and pasted the narrative

No change to what I've previously done

Submit

I'm still having trouble copying and pasting videos, see how you go with the above before giving me a hand

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Feb 2025, 10:50
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15 Feb 2025, 10:50#4

BB you can contact me on Denyssen@ozemail.com.au

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Feb 2025, 10:52
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15 Feb 2025, 10:52#5

Tx ....... I'll give it a go later, watching Samoa v WForce


Remember to add some random text .......123 / sdcfv or trumpsadoos

when inserting video.


I can't even drag down a URL

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Feb 2025, 10:56
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15 Feb 2025, 10:56#6

Oh ok tx...u the first one to tell me that

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Feb 2025, 10:58
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15 Feb 2025, 10:58#7

123


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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Feb 2025, 11:03
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15 Feb 2025, 11:03#8

123


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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Feb 2025, 11:08
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15 Feb 2025, 11:08#10

123


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Feb 2025, 11:16
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15 Feb 2025, 11:16#11

2345

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Feb 2025, 11:29
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15 Feb 2025, 11:29#12

I insert the YTube URL, after it appears onscreen I insert random text


Press submit.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Feb 2025, 13:12
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15 Feb 2025, 13:12#13

123

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Feb 2025, 13:13
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15 Feb 2025, 13:13#14

D enny

It is not a policy of extortion - it is a policy of fighting corruption that is going on.involving also Ukraine, What is wrong in stopping corruption or conmtinuimg with total corruption being the norm. Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe and the USA is in a despeate fight to be the most corrupt democracy in the world.


Why is the idea to send money in somethg of no benefit fo eh USA and do not have the cash to spend on urgent service provision in the USA? Same happened after 20 years in Afghanistan in a national disgrace when leaving behind US Citizens and people wh worked for the USA and their families as well as billions in armaments.


There is no idea of what to achieve in the war and money just pumped in with no idea where the money is going and what is the end objective in mind, especialy since Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe and the USA embroiled in becoming the most .corrupt democracy ever in the world.

Monmey just be provided with no idea what it is spent on.


In 4 Years the US Government Federal debt increased from $26,5 to $37 trillion with every living American owing lending agencies $103 000. That type of thing must stop before an entire collapse of the US economy and also the world economy as we know it. That is not the only thing before the collapse of the Biden crooked regime the target was to increase the debt to $52 trillion by 2028 -ie doule of the GDP of the USA.


Sorry - but a proxy war in Ukraine has to stop and money for re-construction of the country on a controlled basis made available - but not handed over to the most corrupt Government in Europe with amssive kickbacks to corupt US politicians and bureaucrats. What was and did happen is not a cheap mafia move - it is a bloody expensive and unaffordable Mafia system benedfitting a corrupt clique in the USA and Ukraine..


No Denny - the fuck up in eh USA driven by criminals sis not acceptable and the above mdia report came from the Guardian I guess, There is no crisis in the USA Government and the shit muist stop before it is too late. What benefit did the people from Ukraine get out of the whole saga - hundreds of thousands of deaths - millions fleeing from the country as refugees and unlimted couptionm in both Washington and Kiev.


Zelenskyy promised the voters in 2019 election that he would stop the civil war in astern Ukraine through peace negotiations and was party to a cllique in Washibngton wanting expansion of the objectiveless war in Ukraine and I say "fuck" that little crook who himself became extremely rich from USA funded projects through pretending he is a victim - while in fact is is as crooked as his political masters in Washington was, So end the wa and find money to help with reconstruction of the country - while getting rid of crooks in both Washington and Kiev, .Get Demracy back in Ukraine should be the target of all reasonable people - but it is not the objective in this case.





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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Feb 2025, 13:16
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15 Feb 2025, 13:16#15

123

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Feb 2025, 13:18
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15 Feb 2025, 13:18#16

By the way wheere did you et thiat shit from in the abocve vodeo? Who wants a return to the Nazi regime in Germany - it is total garbage not evens sung in German. - it is nothing more than cheap propaganda shit used in election time. and putting on site by a non-thingking brainwatcxshed idiot,

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Feb 2025, 13:20
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15 Feb 2025, 13:20#17

123

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Feb 2025, 18:05
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15 Feb 2025, 18:05#18

You can't fix stupid...

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Feb 2025, 19:54
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15 Feb 2025, 19:54#19

Go look in the mirror.

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
15 Feb 2025, 20:07
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15 Feb 2025, 20:07#20

DbDraadHall Of Famer

22,545 posts

Feb 15, 2025, 18:05


You can't fix stupid...


Draad, knows this more than anyone...His very existence has proven this beyond any reasonable doubt...



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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
15 Feb 2025, 20:19
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15 Feb 2025, 20:19#21

The US has given less than 100 billion in aid to Ukraine, and Trump wants 500 billion of rare earth minerals in return.


Trump and Putin have made an agreement to share the spoils of this war. These 2 are far too pally-pally.

Even during Biden's term, Trump was apparently speaking to Putin which is highly irregular.


America has changed, it should be set free to go on its own path. One the flag bearer of Democracy, now it has become an Oligarchy that exists purely to serve the stock market.


The rest of the world should just tariff America, and price them out of the market. Any data products should be rejected for more secure solutions.


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Feb 2025, 20:26
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15 Feb 2025, 20:26#22

Its like a comedic reality show morphing into horror.



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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
15 Feb 2025, 20:27
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15 Feb 2025, 20:27#23

The US has given less thann 100 billion of aid to Ukraine, and Trump has wants 500 billion of rare earth minerals in return.


Yeah, it pure extortion. Like the Mafia running a protection racket.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Feb 2025, 20:31
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15 Feb 2025, 20:31#24

How.t.f. are concessions made before ceasefire talks with Russia even begin?


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Feb 2025, 20:59
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15 Feb 2025, 20:59#25

ccl



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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Feb 2025, 21:24
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15 Feb 2025, 21:24#26

not

not before & after but after & before

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Feb 2025, 21:54
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15 Feb 2025, 21:54#27

123….4 apparently is beyond Hysteria’s quantitative limits. ROFL!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Feb 2025, 22:06
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15 Feb 2025, 22:06#28

President Trump says he wants to make a deal for minerals from Ukraine in exchange for aid.


That followed a long effort by Ukrainian officials to appeal to Mr. Trump’s transactional nature.


That followed a long effort by Ukrainian officials to appeal to Mr. Trump’s transactional nature.”


That followed a long effort by Ukrainian officials to appeal to Mr. Trump’s transactional nature.”


That followed a long effort by Ukrainian officials to appeal to Mr. Trump’s transactional nature.”


That’s 4 but is it enough to educate the hysterical set. This deal has been promoted by the Ukraine

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Feb 2025, 22:13
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15 Feb 2025, 22:13#29

Trump said that he aimed to acquire the equivalent of $500 billion worth of rare earths from Ukraine and indicated that officials in Kyiv had “essentially agreed” to such an arrangement. The president has expressed a desire for compensation in exchange for the more than $300 billion in U.S. aid already provided to Ukraine.


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Perhaps that might help….firstly it’s $300 billion in aid already provided, not ‘less than $100mbillion’. Secondly it doesn’t mean the US gets these rare earths for nothing. Here’s what’s likely to happen:


Trump said that he aimed to acquire the equivalent of $500 billion worth of rare earths from Ukraine and indicated that officials in Kyiv had “essentially agreed” to such an arrangement. The president has expressed a desire for compensation in exchange for the more than $300 billion in U.S. aid already provided to Ukraine.


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Here’s what that could look like:



Yes, the deal would likely involve access to Ukrainian rare earth minerals rather than outright acquisition without payment. The U.S. would presumably pay for these resources but under favorable terms, possibly including:

  1. Discounted prices compared to market rates
  2. Priority access over other buyers
  3. Long-term contracts ensuring supply stability
  4. Preferential extraction or investment rights for U.S. companies

This aligns with historical practices where military or economic aid leads to strategic resource agreements. However, Ukraine appears hesitant, as it wants security guarantees included in any deal rather than simply trading its minerals for past aid. Negotiations are still ongoing.


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Hopefully that settles the nerves of the hysterics.


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
15 Feb 2025, 22:32
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15 Feb 2025, 22:32#30

Perhaps that might help….firstly it’s $300 billion in aid already provided, not ‘less than $100mbillion


Its not. Its $175 billion (committed). With less than €100 billion actually been issued to Ukraine.


Some estimates put nearly 70% of the USA's aid to Ukraine as actually being spent in America.


https://econofact.org/factbrief/does-most-u-s-aid-to-ukraine-go-to-u-s-companies-and-workers


Hopefully that settles the nerves of the hysterics.


Try saying its nerves or hysterics to the Ukrainian's.

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
15 Feb 2025, 23:47
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15 Feb 2025, 23:47#31

American politics is no longer about facts. It is just lie, and when caught out, lie again, then again....

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Feb 2025, 02:18
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16 Feb 2025, 02:18#32

Here’s Chat’s view of the $300 billion:


As of September 30, 2024, the United States has allocated nearly $183 billion in response funding for Ukraine, with $130.1 billion obligated and $86.7 billion disbursed.

ukraineoversight.gov


This assistance encompasses various forms, including military aid, economic support, and humanitarian assistance. The $300 billion figure mentioned by President Trump likely refers to a broader estimate of total U.S. support, potentially accounting for additional indirect costs, future commitments, or associated expenses not captured in the obligated or disbursed amounts.


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The $300 billion is an estimate of the cost to the US….the $180 billion is the amount Ukraine received directly.


But the notion that Ukraine should pay $500 billion in minerals for no recompense and only $100 billion of aid is clearly a lie.


And as usual Ireland finds moral reasons to limit it’s support:


’As of mid-2024, Ireland's financial assistance to Ukraine, totaling over €210 million, represents approximately 0.05% of its Gross Domestic Product (GDP). This places Ireland lower on the scale of EU countries' contributions to Ukraine as a percentage of GDP.’


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Perhaps you should avoid blatant dishonesty, unless of course you never twigged that it wasn’t free rare earth minerals. And perhaps your moral indignation about how the US isn’t doing enough should be focused closer to home.



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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
16 Feb 2025, 03:06
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16 Feb 2025, 03:06#33

This assistance encompasses various forms, including military aid, economic support, and humanitarian assistance. The $300 billion figure mentioned by President Trump likely refers to a broader estimate of total U.S. support, potentially accounting for additional indirect costs, future commitments, or associated expenses not captured in the obligated or disbursed amounts.


The $300 billion is an estimate of the cost to the US….the $180 billion is the amount Ukraine received directly.


So the $300 billion is a figure that Trump made up. Gotcha.


But the notion that Ukraine should pay $500 billion in minerals for no recompense and only $100 billion of aid is clearly a lie.


https://www.politico.eu/article/trump-demands-500b-in-rare-earths-from-ukraine-for-support/


No one said there would be no recompense or that Ukraine would just hand it over for free. But it does clearly seem to be an attempt but Trump to strong arm Ukraine into signing a deal favorable to the US while Ukraine is fighting for its very existence.


As for the amount of aid that's actually reached Ukraine from the US. Well you going call this man a liar?


https://www.yahoo.com/news/zelenskyy-ukraine-received-us-76-184337849.html


And as usual Ireland finds moral reasons to limit it’s support:


As of mid-2024, Ireland's financial assistance to Ukraine, totaling over €210 million, represents approximately 0.05% of its Gross Domestic Product (GDP). This places Ireland lower on the scale of EU countries' contributions to Ukraine as a percentage of GDP.’


Yeah ignore the 112,000 Ukrainian refugees we took in.


Also from ChatGPT


In total, Ireland's support to Ukraine has exceeded €380 million, encompassing humanitarian aid, non-lethal military assistance, and contributions to reconstruction efforts.


Perhaps you should avoid blatant dishonesty, unless of course you never twigged that it wasn’t free rare earth minerals. And perhaps your moral indignation about how the US isn’t doing enough should be focused closer to home.


So basically you have come back with no evidence to back up Trumps $300 billion claim. As typical with an America right winger, lying is perfectly okay if the Orange one does it. Sure Ireland should be doing more, but at least we aren't trying to extort Ukraine whiles it fighting for its very existence. And despite your moral indignation at little old Ireland you should really take your own advice and focus closer to home because their might not be much left of American democracy when Trump is through with it.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Feb 2025, 03:22
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16 Feb 2025, 03:22#34

Mozart


Since the start of the war the USA was funding the whole operation of the Ukraine Government through grant fubding and funding called Istitutional support is not benefitting the people of Ukraine and the Govrnment conected people huge it to fund themselves and not the people of Ukraine,

hat is amazing that efforts to wipe out maladministration and corruption in the USA Government is nwo suddenly a crisis in Washington, A forensic Audit will end p in jail sentences and not only fin g of Pblic Servants and also politicians in Washington. That is why Biden "pardoned a lot of people involved in Ukraine corruption - eg Milley and Schiff,


That is why the DP Snators fought like hell to prevent the appointment of Bondi as AG and Patel as FBI Head, They fear that proper investigation would end up with he corupt elements in the USA Government to be investigated and charged with crimes that usd to be covered up by elements in the FBI and Justice Depatment, Senator Blackburn was hiting it on the head hard when she asked Patel in his hearing why the Democratic Semators are so afraid if he is appointed, The question is now raised - why did Hunter sit in on all meetings Biden had with people - with Daddy being mentally disabled to run and ruin anything, Recent info indicates that Hunter also set in on meetings with Prresident Zi and th Mexocn President - so who was ruining the USA when Biden was Pesidnet?






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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Feb 2025, 06:08
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16 Feb 2025, 06:08#35

Nice try, here’s what you said:


Stavanger1Senior player

3,356 posts

Feb 15, 2025, 20:27



The US has given less thann 100 billion of aid to Ukraine, and Trump has wants 500 billion of rare earth minerals in return.


Yeah, it pure extortion. Like the Mafia running a protection racket

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‘’Trump wants 500 billion of rare earth minerals in return.


No mention of any payment, you were stupid enough to believe some rag you read that made that claim. Don’t compound it by lying.


As for the 300 billion, that’s Trump’s number for the cost to the US, provided by some staffer. Let’s assume it’s 250 billion. Is that not enough US tax payer money to sort out Europe one more time. And by the time all the reconstruction money has gone to the Ukraine it will be a lot more.


As for Ireland’s contribution….it’s lower on the scale of European countries. Apparently they haven’t glommed on to enough of Apple’s tax savings. And I mention Ireland because you are willing to believe the worst about the US, while ignoring your own faults.


Just another stupid exaggeration by people unqualified to comment.


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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
16 Feb 2025, 07:25
#36
16 Feb 2025, 07:25#36

American politics is no longer about facts. It is just lie, and when caught out, lie again, then again....


Well gee, SB, what a revelation. After centuries of this shit you finally caught on.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
16 Feb 2025, 13:50
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16 Feb 2025, 13:50#37

No mention of any payment, you were stupid enough to believe some rag you read that made that claim. Don’t compound it by lying.


No lying just you strawmaning.


As for the 300 billion, that’s Trump’s number for the cost to the US, provided by some staffer. Let’s assume it’s 250 billion. Is that not enough US tax payer money to sort out Europe one more time. And by the time all the reconstruction money has gone to the Ukraine it will be a lot more.


LOL its a made up number and you know it and now you have just made up another number.


As for Ireland’s contribution….it’s lower on the scale of European countries. Apparently they haven’t glommed on to enough of Apple’s tax savings. And I mention Ireland because you are willing to believe the worst about the US, while ignoring your own faults.


I don't ignore my own country's faults and what I also do is I don't bring up another countries faults as a distraction to cover from my own. As I have previously said when morons try to defend Russia's invasion of Ukraine by bringing up America's involvement in the Iraq War its equally as much a bullshit distraction.


Like it or not America is the single biggest, most powerfully country on earth, be it economic power, military power or politics power and is involved in a lot of the worlds biggest issues. Its action are simply going be discussed more than any country as a result. Are you just going bring up well Country X did Y unrelated thing therefore America's actions are fine rather every time America goes something of major significance on the world stage rather than discuss the actual pro's and con's of its decisions.


Just another stupid exaggeration by people unqualified to comment.


LOL unqualified, take a look at Trump's cabinet picks.


Well gee, SB, what a revelation. After centuries of this shit you finally caught on.


This is on another level of lying.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Feb 2025, 18:13
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16 Feb 2025, 18:13#38

Thanks for making the argument easier call it the 100 billion that’s officially been given …or if you prefer 90 billion Euros. Compare that to Irelands’s 210 million Euros.. That’s 428 times as much.


Now compare the populations. The USA at 335 million. Ireland at 5.2 million. Multiply Irelands contribution of 210 million Euros by 64.42, the ratio of the populations.


You get 13.52 billion Euros vs the US at 90 billion being very, very conservative. That’s right the average US citizen has already paid the Ukraine 6.6 times what the average Irish citizen has….and the real number probably exceeds 15.


I’m sure you were completely unaware of this inequity. But now that you are…let’s have less of America not paying their fair share.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Feb 2025, 19:54
#39
16 Feb 2025, 19:54#39

Lol

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
17 Feb 2025, 03:15
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17 Feb 2025, 03:15#40

Fkng disgusting evil batshit MAGA monster ....... the band of cultists here must be so proud of their Fuhrer .

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