Would, wouldn't - it's all the same for Trump

Finally it is starting to dawn on the American people that the man they elected president is not only a vain, boorish and stupid liar (which they probably knew already), he's also a treasonous and self-serving weakling.

What other conclusion can be drawn after Trump's humiliation in Helsinki?

The fact of the matter is this: Trump is too vain and proud to admit that there was Russian meddling in the US election because it reflects badly on him so he's prepared to embarrass his own intelligence agencies and side with Putin rather than have his own ego dented.

I see he's now claiming he said "would" when he meant "wouldn't" and he's suggesting everyone else is stupid because we should have known what he meant, but the photo of the hand-written note just confirms that he's lying, and that he can't spell very well!

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/18/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-finland-summit-fallout/index.html

The mask has slipped and the real Trump is emerging. A rude and ignorant narcissist who does what Vladimir Putin tells him to do.

Good luck America. You made your bed, now lie in it.

Could you two very ignorant halfwits go and look at the clips i posted re Mark Levin, Hannity and Lou Dobbs.

There you would learn the history of what Trump has done with Russia as compared to the hapless Obummer an his predecessors. You would also see the clips where Trump on many occassions said clearly that Russia had meddled in the US elections. He has always and repeatedly said this proving this was a misspeak!

Trump was 100% correct to ask about the DNC server. The demonrats refused to allow the FBi to examine it!!! So how the in the wolrd can they know about what happened!!! The FBi is rotten at the top although the workforce as a whole is great.

My word you are two dumbasses! Hahahhahahahahahaha

Be assured this is already backfiring in a spectacualr fashion help by the hysterical left saying this is worse than Pearl Harbour , the Holocaust etc etc. Man what utter fools these twits have made of themselves.

Look at Levin's history lesson - one such incident Levin mentions is Roosevelt the demonrat giving Stalin half of Europe! Love his account of what Obummer did in relation to Russia although he should have mentioned Obummer admin sold 20% of US Uranium to Putin whllst the Crooked , corrupt Clinton Foundation pocketed 145 million dollars from the Russi ans. Bwahahahhahahaahha

Obummer of course did zero when Putin took Crimea and invaded Ukraine. All he did was send blankets to Ukraine! Hahahahahha what a complete pansy. in my book his sending 150 billion dollars to the mad Mullahs was an treasonous act. He did zero about NK. He buggered up the ME. The pansy was a complete disaster.

As for the Globalists well even MSM use the term. Everyone knows apart from a few extremely ignorant twits like these to halfwits that's its a war between the populists/ nationalists and these vile globalist snakes.

You two nut jobs need to open your closed and bigoted minds and take a look at the clips i posted. Right now you look like clueless morons, part of the chattering class. hahahahahahhahahahaha

Obama (Barry Soetoro) achieved nothing. Trump has achieved a lot. Equally useless is definitely not true. Considering that Trump has had the most opposition of any America president I can think of and that Barry was literally presented to us as Jesus in Time Magazine and all over the MSM and was untouchable, its really embarassing. But as I always say, don't listen to the mouth, watch the hands. Actions define intentions. Barry continued the work of his relative George Bush. Republican Party and Democrat Party are the right and left arm of the same body. Team Globalist. Trump was rejected by both because he is not playing from their script. Obama never had an intention of developing America, but destroying it. Trump doesn't get credit for his work because the MSM (bought up by PJ Morgan in 1917) doesnf approve of a successful America. 

Koos sounds like Rooi.

...And the left said he was never...ever..ever...ever gonna be president....WRONG. What else were they lying about?

Edit: I should have said the left media and pollsters

Barry eloquent? What a joke. He was booed out of Europe, booed out of Africa. He was only well liked by the MSM. In 2011, before Osama Bin Laden was killed for the seventh time (literally), Barry's approval rating was the lowest in history of America. Here's your charming eloquent man in reality.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=poz6W0znOfk

..Koos don't feed the Trumpanzees...

...but does look like this could be damaging for the former game show host... Fox news normally his biggest fan calling his behaviour disgusting is one for the books......this disaster could well be a turning point for US voters with Donaldov alienating the US from their allies not to mention him destabilising the US, Europe and the UN  = just what Russia has been trying to do for a long time....not a good look cuddling up to Putin either...no wonder he;s being referred to as Putin's bitch..

...and meanwhile wholesale retaliatory ta riffs from Trump's trade war are targetting his core farm base in his political heartland and making jobs vulnerable, pushing prices up...being broke and unable to pay their mortgage will be a hard dose of reality for those that hitched their wagon to the bankrupt king of US...

Fox News? Another globalist owned media outlet. Controlled opposition swaying those who don't follow suit with the agenda towards hyper nationalism and hyper patriotism. If these are the clowns molding your perception of the world, you are truly lost. 

... don't worry about tariffs sonny jim ,  you'll be fine ...Trade wars are good and easy to win according to the reality tv star con man in chief....we're only talking about the potential impact of a global boycott on American products lol .....could be like just before the Great Depression when Hoover is quoted as saying prosperity is just around the corner... 

It always amazes me how people on this site are so extreme. You lot are so heavily for or absolutely against it is actually quite funny. It is as though you are all so bloody proud that to give even an inch, is considered losing. 

To you Turumpies, WTF has your idol done about Russia invading Ukraine? Huh? That question is specifically aimed at Beeno, but any of you are welcome to answer. Let me help, he's done a big fat farkall. By all means, have a go at Obama for doing the same, but FFS if you can't see that Trump is equally weak in that regard, then you are either stupid or bloody ignorant. Or maybe, and I strongly suspect this is the real truth, Putin has old Trumpy by the short and curleys for some or other reason, rendering Trumpy completely powerless. 

As for the Clintons and Obama and Bush...equally inept. 

Where do I stand on all of this? In reality, that's where. I look at both sides and just slowly shake my head. You people are so blinded by your loyalties that you come across about as objective as the run of the mill ANC cadre trying to defend the ridiculousness that is the ANC. So here is an idea, try for a moment to look at both the left AND the right, and realise they are both doing exactly the same farking thing. Manipulating the argument to suit their agenda. In other words, you are being played, whichever side of the table you sit. 

I have always said that the solution to the world's woes could be sorted out by doing the following. Only allow the most intelligent 20% of the population to vote. Regardless of race, wealth, religion etc. Even if I was excluded from that pool for being too stupid, the principal would be for the greater good. Now I am pretty sure a few of you would consider yourselves to be among that 20%, but if that is the case, I think I need to revisit my theory, because quite clearly yo can't see the wood for the tree.   

Only allow the most intelligent 20% of the population to vote

Oh Dear, that rules out Jihadi Beeno

Welcome to the lonely moderate middle, Bluebok, where we stand bemused as liars on the left throw mud at liars on the right while both try to pretend that they're squeaky clean .

Out of interest, who are the posters on this forum representing the left? If I look at the topics and comments down the page it's all different degrees of right.

Trad is far left.

PS, the political landscape has shifted so much since the Berlin Wall came down, you almost have to be a full blown Commie to be considered "of the left"...and I'm not joking...wish I was . We are heading for a big reset.

Hahahahhaha Jihadi Beeno......there you go, I'm not the only one who thinks you're lost...

Fox News? Another globalist owned media outlet. Controlled opposition swaying those who don't follow suit with the agenda towards hyper nationalism and hyper patriotism. If these are the clowns molding your perception of the world, you are truly lost.

Moz, a very detailed response and thanks for taking the time. I'll openly admit that I do not have an in depth knowledge of the intricacies of the Trump/Putin affair, but there is freedom and objectivity that comes with not being too deeply entrenched in something. Ask anyone that has been in a toxic relationship, difficult to see from the inside, clear as day from the outside. 

Based on what you have said Trump has taken steps against Russia, but not directly against Putin himself. Putin is the power, the rest are just pawns. If I have that wrong I'll gladly retract the statement. Also, Trumps sanctions and harsh words appear to be little more than a window dressing. Things done to create the appearance of action taken. When Trump's actual actions with regards to Putin are to hold what appears to be a very chummy summit, only for Trump to come out and immediately invite Putin to another summit in Washington. These two sides of Trump's actions against Russia/Putin appear, to my eyes anyway, to be in stark contrast with one another. 

With Regards to Trump's success in America, I do see a lot of it. So I am not against many of his policies, I don't like Trump the man, because he is an arrogant narcissist, who only ever refers to America's actions as "I" and just about never as "we", but that is neither here nor there, as long as he gets the job done. I still stand by  my comments regarding the news in the US, both sides of the divide are playing the exact same game and Americans need to be wise to that fact.

Lastly, I have a keen interest in people's psychology, and I find it interesting that a head strong and successful individual like yourself would, on an innocuous platform like Ruckers Forum, take the time to mostly refer to Trump as President Trump and Putin as President Putin, but Obama simply as Obama? I am not sure if it is sub-conscious, but it is interesting none the less.        

...Kroos you rattling the cage again mate lol

Blue its no secret that Trump is tied in many different ways to Russia which is'nt damning in itself. But they do reveal a vast and mysteriously complex web...

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868

Trumps recent behaviour has led to speculation on whether Putin had leverage over Trump including his knowledge of past dealings between Trump and Russian businessmen..

Subsequently their are renewed calls for Trump to release his tax returns which they think will reveal the sources of his income, because some think he may owe money to the Russians. which they are using as leverage to keep him compliant..

  And can the Russians use that debt to somehow manipulate the Commander in Chief ? So because of this they're saying his tax returns have become a crucial national security / counter intelligence concern ...the speculation is that Trumps incompetence as a business man has tumbled him into unsavory financial dependencies on Russians...or the Russians have something else , something worse to keep him compliant..

Probably just a conspiracy theory but they still wonder why he is flip flopping about election interference claims, what he's hiding in his tax returns and what was said behind closed doors with Putin. Suspicious behaviour.

But Putin is denying he has any compromising information on DT or his family in an interview with Fox News. So plenty of intrigue and i see Time magazine has morphed Trumps and Putin 's faces together on their new cover - the inference being Donaldov is a Russian mole.. 

To you Turumpies, WTF has your idol done about Russia invading Ukraine? Huh?

What an ignorant halfwit poor blueblob is!!! Mamparas like this should not really be talking geo poltics!!

Blueblob, Obummer did zero. The Russians knew they were dealing with a girlie boy. So they took advantage of the situation. Obummer's foreign policy reflected his gutless treasonous nature, leading from behind, Strategic patience. Bwahahhahahahahahaha how Putin made a Jakass of this snowflake. Putin would never have dared try a stunt like annexing Crimea if Trump was president, wouldnt even have given it at thought.

Now its too late, Obummer should have beefed up the defences of Crimea and Ukraine but he did zero. When the Ukraine was invaded he sent blankets!!! Putin knew therwe would be no respnse from Obummer and he was totally right.

Trump has sent 75 bllion dollars of Military equipment to the Ukraine. He has redeployed the missile defence systems in Eastern Europe that Obummer took away!!!

Of course we need to know what Obummer ment by "tell Vladimir i will have more flexibility after the election". We also need to know why his administration sold 20% of US Uranium to Putin and why at the same time the Russians paid 145 million dollars into the pay for play scheme know as the Clinton Foundation. Why under the so called Russian a bg technology transfer was made to the Russians and indeed why Obummer and Clinton all praised Russia as the video clips of the time prove.

Trump of course has insisted NATO be strengthened and has called out globalist scumbag Angela Merkel for spending Billions on oil and gas which can be used to build Russian military. Trump also castigated the rich Germans for only spending 1% of GDP on defence. Naturally as with everything the left wing globalist propaganda machine were incensed Trump bring these matters up!!!! They are so stupid they cant see the glaring contradiction as they claim Trump is soft on Russia.

Obummer hollowed out the US Military much to Putins delight. Trump has restored the Military. The US imported oil from Russia and the ME. Under Trump the US is now all but oil dependent.

Trump knows however peace and cooperation with Russia where possible would be a blessing. Strategically delinking Russia from China and Iran is a goal worth pursuing. Already the Russian have agreed to assist with NK (With whom they share a border). They have also agreed to stop allowing Iranian troops to attack Israel via Syria. Big wins from one meeting.

Trump never have the mad Mullahs 150 billion dollars. Trump has not spent 5 trillion dollars in the ME causing chaos. Trump engaged with NK he engaged with China. Now he is engaging with the world's second most powerful nuclear power.

Face facts President Trump has been outstanding, no doubt about it.

Those sitting on the fence thinking to themselves how clever they are are actually idiots given how great the difference between Trump and that traitor Obummer is. Useless fence sitters who have absolutely no clue whatsoever. They are the gullible brain dead morons sucking up all the globalist MSM can feed them. Fortunately the Amervcan peopel have seen through them and a recent Gallup poll shows Americans don't give a damm about all this Russians BS by a huge majority.

Meanwhile the Trump economy roars on and GDP will be over 4% for the second quarter. if GDP reached 2.1% the Obummer crowd went wild with delight! Hahahahahaha those jobs are lost forever the treasonous snake proclaimed. What a clown President Trump has made of the jackass.

One last thing. Many demonrats are going to prison. The corruption of the DOJ, FBi and the demonrats is breaking wide open. Expecting fireworks before the November elections.

Koos K Kombuis or KKK for short certainly sounds like the demented ou rootwitterbug to me.

"Well, whoever you think I might be"

Lol Rooinek.

I said his back tracking was lame...in fact, I said it twice. As for Trump's alphabet agencies, I wouldn't trust them either. They've been lying to presidents for decades.

As for the Russian meddling in the US elections... horse manure. A poor excuse thought up by sore losers.

Nope Rooi, that's not what I said. I insinuated that we are constantly being lied to about Trump...that's been proven. They also like to twist things to suit them, so it's impossible to take them seriously and almost nothing can be taken on face value. I don't think Trump "sided" with Putin. I think the media is twisting this whole thing out of proportion, like usual.

I know Trump is no angel. No use in you trying to convince me he's an oaf, I said that from the beginning.

And yes, I said the left were lying about Trump's chances to win the election. How else do you explain them being so completely and utterly wrong?