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An inspiring post match interview - Tribute to Ackermann

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Aug 2017, 22:29
#161
12 Aug 2017, 22:29#161
 I challenge anybody to show me in the teachings of Christ where doing harm to others is taught by the Lord. Come on lets hear from all you mamparas who are so ignorant and bigoted. Where did Christ teach one must do evil unto his neighbour. 
These God haters are blinded by their hatred of God and their bigoted darkened "minds"Hence the sewerage that inevitably flows.
2 Tim 3-2 :  For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothing sacred.This will be very particularly so as we draw near to the end.  And I think we are toward the end for various reasons.Note this:But understand this: In the last days terrible times will come. 2For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3unloving, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, without love of good,

These are those that are blinded by Satan, whose minds are under his control.The call evil good and good evil. They are so wrong yet don' t know it. Its amazing to behold all this.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
13 Aug 2017, 03:05
#162
13 Aug 2017, 03:05#162
  It's not religion causing the sh!t, it's people causing it.
So let me be clear on this, it's ISIL causing sh!t, not Islam? Is that what you're saying?
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Aug 2017, 10:05
#163
13 Aug 2017, 10:05#163
 That's exactly what I'm saying Denny.
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
13 Aug 2017, 10:17
#164
13 Aug 2017, 10:17#164
 Agreed.....goes back to what I said earlier. 
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
13 Aug 2017, 13:25
#165
13 Aug 2017, 13:25#165
 The Crusades: 6,000,000 (Nothing to do with following the real Christ-->something to do with the Pope trying to reclaim Jerusalem from the Moors)
  • Thirty Years War: 11,500,000 (Catholisism declaring war on protestants)
  • French Wars of Religion: 4,000,000 (Nothing to do with following the real Christ)
  • Second Sudanese Civil War: 2,000,000 (Muslims causing genocide against Christians)
  • Lebanese Civil War: 250,000 (Muslims causing havoc)
  • Muslim Conquests of India: 80,000,000 (Muslims causing havoc)
  • Congolese Genocide (King Leopold II): 13,000,000 (Tribal conflict and Ethnic cleansing)
  • Armenian Genocide: 1,500,000 (Turkey trying to exterminate an entire race because of their christian background)
  • Rwandan Genocide: 800,000 (Tribal conflict and Ethnic cleansing led by a death cult)
  • Eighty Years' War: 1,000,000 (the Netherlands war of Independance from Catholic spain and it's inquisition of Christians and true believers and followers of Christ)
  • Nigerian Civil War: 1,000,000 (caused by Ethnic Divisions)
  • Great Peasants' Revolt: 250,000 
  • First Sudanese Civil War: 1,000,000
  • Jewish Diaspora (Not Including the Holocaust): 1,000,000 
  • The Holocaust (Jewish and Homo[removed]ual Deaths): 6,500,000 (Genocide against the Jews and true believers of Christ)
  • Islamic Terrorism Since 2000: 150,000 (Islamic Terrorism)
  • Iraq War: 500,000 (The war for oil)
  • US Western Expansion (Justified by "Manifest Destiny"):20,000,000
  • Atlantic Slave Trade (Justified by Christianity): 14,000,000 (
  • Aztec Human Sacrifice: 80,000 (Demonic worship)
  • AIDS deaths in Africa largely due to opposition to condoms: 30,000,000 (This view is too simplistic)
  • Spanish Inquisition: 5,000 (This figure is too low. It should be more) 
  • TOTAL: 195,035,000 deaths in the name of religion.
  • I think you just proved my point. Islamic Terror, the Spanish inquisition, genocide are led by men who have no room for the real and one true GOD in their hearts. JESUS said,"John 14:21Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him."

    Not everyone who claims to be a Christian is a Christian.
    "Matthew 12:33-37; Luke 6:43-45)

    15Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20So then, by their fruit you will recognize them.

    21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’



    sharkbok
    sharkbokCaptain23,258 posts
    13 Aug 2017, 14:00
    #166
    13 Aug 2017, 14:00#166
     15 mind control techniques both churches and cults useBy wise sloth

    Too Long; Didn’t Read: Watch this funny video or read this list about cults and then think about how much of what they said applies to normal church services and doctrine.


    1. Mandatory, regular attendance

    Mind control techniques and hypnosis don’t last forever. Perpetual manipulation requires perpetual renewal. That’s why Coca~Cola won’t let you turn around without seeing a Coca~Cola billboard. Of course, no cult could send their followers to basic training every single week for a full re-indoctrination, but they don’t have to; all they need is one hour a week for refresher training.


    2. Big, fancy, majestic buildings

    A Catholic once told me that the reason Catholic churches are so majestic is because it helped illiterate peasants understand the majesty of the Lord. Even if that were the intention (which I’m sure it wasn’t), the reality is that churches are artistic masterpieces meticulously designed to overwhelm the senses and make the viewer feel euphoric and humbled. Just standing in an empty cathedral can put you in a trance state.

    If you’re surrounded by images of people who made bigger sacrifices than you to the in-group and were justly rewarded then you’ll feel pressure to conform with their ideology without anyone having to say a word to you. Also, your instinctively going to transfer your awe and respect for the building to the building’s owner or spokesperson.


    3. Hierarchical leadership

    Every cult has a hierarchical leadership structure because the point of having a cult is to have followers who will revere the leaders and give them all their money. Cult leaders get people to follow them by claiming to be envoys of God. Every church  does this.

    Many churches won’t allow you to officially join until you undergo a ritual that symbolically changes you from a member of the lost, miserable outsiders into a saved, superior member of the in-crowd. But you’ll only be allowed to be a follower at the servile end of the pyramid shaped authority structure. The only way to become a leader is to either start your own cult or work your way up the ranks. This stacks the ranks with true believers who will defend the leader and give his social authority legitimacy.


    4. Charismatic leaders

    The biggest red flag you might be involved with a cult is if the organization revolves around a professional charismatic leader. When you go to church you’ll sit down and listen to a charismatic marketer give a 45 minute infomercial. Even if everyone from the preacher to the congregation have the best intentions the end result is the same. Poor people are swindled out of their money, and the charismatic leader gets to live like a demigod surrounded by obedient followers.


    5. Trance stimulation

    When you enter your ornate church on Sunday morning, one of the first things that’s going to happen is you’re going to sing hymns with the congregation. The majestic music, combined with the majestic building and the thrill of performing an action in unison with other members of the in-crowd will work you into a trance state that will make you susceptible to hypnosis. If you’re singing about being willfully obedient then you’re just hypnotizing yourself, and you’re hypnotizing the people standing around you listening to you sing about the virtue of willful obedience, servitude, sacrifice and faith. Even if that’s not the intent, that’s the outcome. Even if you don’t know it’s happening, it’s happening. Even if everyone was forewarned and knew it was happening it would still work on some of the participants.


    6. Repetitive drills and consequences for nonconformity

    In addition to singing, a good cult would require its victims to perform rote physical drills like marching, dancing, kneeling or clapping. The moment you participate in a drill you’re being obedient. You didn’t just kneel or march or clap. You followed an order without thinking about it, and the more you do that the more likely you are to do it again. Eventually the charismatic leader won’t be asking you to do calisthenics. He’ll be asking for money or a favor. What’s more interesting than that though. If you can get a group of people used to following your orders and acting in unison you can eventually give the whole group an order, and they’ll act in unison. That would give you the power to tell a group of people to go build a house or go burn a house down.


    7. Separating the in-crowd from the non believers

    It’s common practice for cults to tell their recruits that the world can be divided into two kinds of people: those who are inside the group and those who are outside the group. The people inside the group are always saved and admirable. The people outside the group are always lost, unworthy and detestable.

    If you believe this, then you’ll base your identity on your affiliation with the group, and you won’t want to spend time with people whose clearer perception of reality could endanger your faith in the group.
    (***Please Note Beeno***)


    8. The call to action is to entrench yourself in the group and base your life on its doctrine.

    Church can be a lot of fun, and you can experience a lot of genuine moments of happiness with the people you love, but the Sunday morning agenda always centers around the sermon. The point of the sermon is to deliver a message, and the message is that you need to base your self-worth on your membership in the group and demonstrate obedience to the group’s ideology. You’re told this will bring you closer to God. Mostly it brings you closer to the group and the offering plate.


    9. The charismatic leader manipulates your emotions

    Charismatic leaders will try to mesmerize you with the way they dress and talk. They guilt trip you. They make impossible promises and horrific threats. They get the crowd worked up into a vulnerable, irrational frenzy right before they deliver an ultimatum.


    10. You’re given an ultimatum

    The point of every cult service is to build up to the moment where the charismatic leader makes a call to action. The call for action is to either give money, take your commitment to the cult to the next level, humiliate yourself or at least honor those who do. This is brazen manipulation, and it works. Creepy cults leaders know that, and quaint suburban pastors know that.


    11. You’re encouraged to humiliate yourself and mimic others

    If a cult leader can convince his flock that he has more spiritual authority than them and they are unworthy in the eyes of God, then his control over them is almost guaranteed, Then the followers will have total trust in their leader when he tells them that the only path to salvation is to do whatever the cult asks of them.


    12. You’re asked for money, and your worth is tied to the amount of money you give

    Most church leaders don’t expect every member of the congregation to devote their lives to the church like a hard core cult. Many preachers are happy if they can just get everyone to put money in the collection plate every week. That’s as unethical as selling people fake lottery tickets.

    If anyone asks you for money…they probably just want your money. If they demand money from you and threaten you and your family for not paying up, then you’re can be even more sure they just want your money. If the person asking you for money is wearing a suit that cost more money than what you’re wearing…then don’t give that person any more money.


    13. Socializing with the in crowd

    The most effective way to control the minds of a group of followers would be to lock them in an isolated compound together where the charismatic leader could control every aspect of their lives like the military does to its members. In suburbia that’s just not possible. So the trick is to keep your in-group together as much as possible and get them to willfully ostracize themselves from the rest of society as much as possible.

    I’m not saying that if you hang out with your bowling buddies when you’re not bowling then that means you’re forming a cult. But when a charismatic leader organizes constant events that keep his donors together…you can predict the outcome.


    14. Using indoctrination techniques in your own time and policing your peers

    The amount of Coca~Cola advertisements you’ve seen in your life attests to how quickly the effects of manipulation can fade and thus how important it is to constantly top-up your message in your victim’s short term memory. One way television commercials do this is by getting a jingle stuck in your head. If you walk around all day repeating the advertiser’s custom-designed message in your head then you’re doing the advertiser’s job of reminding you of the message. Churches tell you to read the Bible constantly and to fill your house with Biblical themed merchandise. If they can get you to eat, sleep and breath church doctrine then you’ll become your own snake oil salesman. Then you’ll do the charismatic leader’s job of manipulating you for him.


    15. Recruitment

    Cults need a constant stream of new victims in order to finance the charismatic leader’s lifestyle. So…if you run into an organization that is constantly having recruitment drives to get people to come listen to an infomercial where they’re asked to give money at the end…don’t go there. You know what’s going to happen, and it only ends well for the charismatic leader…assuming he doesn’t get too drunk on power and do something crazy.


    MO
    MoonroverPro1,973 posts
    13 Aug 2017, 17:36
    #167
    13 Aug 2017, 17:36#167
     
    A picture says a thousand words,Boy Scout Hitler on left with his hero Nietzsche,the most important person in modern atheism.

    MO
    MozartCaptain49,914 posts
    13 Aug 2017, 19:31
    #168
    13 Aug 2017, 19:31#168
    I'd like to see the source for the supposed 20 million deaths associated with Maifest Destiiny/US expansion west. Here's the best estimate of US Indian population: .. 'While it is difficult to determine exactly how many Natives lived in North America before Columbus,[6] estimates range from a low of 2.1 million[7] to 7 million[8] people to a high of 18 million[9]' ... Apparently according to Crusader Fan's source every one died and some even died twice.
    RO
    RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
    13 Aug 2017, 20:37
    #169
    13 Aug 2017, 20:37#169
    Listen to this disgusting genocide apologist . . . we didn't massacre 20 million American Indians, we only killed 18 million!
    No surprise to see Moffie condoning genocide. This is the same disgusting piece of human scum who readily admits that he only left South Africa because he hates black people and he hoped AIDS would be the final solution that exterminated the black population of South Africa.
    MO
    MozartCaptain49,914 posts
    13 Aug 2017, 21:13
    #170
    13 Aug 2017, 21:13#170
    Oh sure.....because I point out the number is massively wrong, I condone the killings? As for your 18 million, get real. Here is the estimate from the Census Bureau. .. The Indian wars under the government of the United States have been more than 40 in number. They have cost the lives of about 19,000 white men, women and children, including those killed in individual combats, and the lives of about 30,000 Indians. The actual number of killed and wounded Indians must be very much higher than the number given... Fifty percent additional would be a safe estimate...[8] .. Certainly regrettable, but a pimple compared to what happened in counries like the Congo. Most of the indigenous people killed in the Americas died because of exposure to disease. .. As for your often repeated last lie, it's about as disgusting as you are Urinal....as disgusting as a fat old drunkard who finds solace in a bottle for his failures in life. But here's the thing fool, you say I left and hoped Aids would wipe out Black people. I left in 73 at which point Aids hadn't even presented, let alone been identified. Proof of lie...... schplott you bumbling twerp!
    sharkbok
    sharkbokCaptain23,258 posts
    13 Aug 2017, 21:29
    #171
    13 Aug 2017, 21:29#171
    @Moonrover, it seems you have been eating too many of those mushrooms.Hitler was good buddies with the Pope, and has many other links to Christianity including his best selling Book called Meinkampf. 
    (He wrote this before he was famous, I think he was a failed painter at the time). 
    https://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

    However like many religions before him, he may also have used this to gain more supporters. (especially the anti - jews)
    MO
    MozartCaptain49,914 posts
    13 Aug 2017, 21:38
    #172
    13 Aug 2017, 21:38#172
    How about Stalin , an atheist who killed more?
    sharkbok
    sharkbokCaptain23,258 posts
    13 Aug 2017, 21:44
    #173
    13 Aug 2017, 21:44#173
    Stalin was another psycho. The question is would he have been worse if he thought he was God's handyman. 
    I would not say Hitler was crazy because he was religious, but it possibly made him worse. 
    MO
    MoonroverPro1,973 posts
    14 Aug 2017, 00:38
    #174
    14 Aug 2017, 00:38#174
     Whilst imprisoned Hitler read Nietzsche and Marx philosophy.One of the one ideas he derived from Nietzsche was the Superman race brainstorm.Maybe CF also read Nietzsche ,Superman race IQ.
    CR
    CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
    14 Aug 2017, 04:55
    #175
    14 Aug 2017, 04:55#175
    So reading these books is what caused Hitler to kill so many people, How do you know it wasn't the bible that made him do these things. There is plenty of death and genocide in the bible so how do you know he didn't get the idea of the final solution from your holy book?
    And I am suddenly a white supremacist because I am an Athiest if that is true evey member of the dutch reform church is an Athiest as part of their doctrine is they are the super race. You have a very strange logic if you can go directly from me being an Athiest so therefore I must be a white supremacist because Hitler read a book about it.That is religious thought in action ( in other words just making sh!t up again)


    RO
    RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
    14 Aug 2017, 10:17
    #176
    14 Aug 2017, 10:17#176
    Hmmm . . . so Hitler once read Nietzsche . . . so therefore all atheists are evil?

    This pathetically infantile level of "debate" from Moonrover is just further evidence that people with low IQs tend to be religious . . . and from what we're seeing here, the more dull-witted, the more stridently evangelical!
    CE
    CeradynePro9,374 posts
    14 Aug 2017, 11:06
    #177
    14 Aug 2017, 11:06#177
    I am sure that if said that I read Mein Kampf I would be branded as a Nazi...
    RO
    RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
    14 Aug 2017, 11:16
    #178
    14 Aug 2017, 11:16#178
    And if you've read Donald Tr(*)mp's Art of the Deal does that make you a clown?
    BO
    bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
    14 Aug 2017, 11:38
    #179
    14 Aug 2017, 11:38#179
     In hindsight, Ackerman & his son's departure is yet another body blow for our rugby ........ to em both, best wishes & it will be lekker to see you in Bok rugby in 2020 ( unless AC proves to be the ultimate miracle-maker inbetween).
    CE
    CeradynePro9,374 posts
    14 Aug 2017, 13:44
    #180
    14 Aug 2017, 13:44#180
    Maybe i should have read Art of the Deal. I could have owned my own private jet.
    MO
    MozartCaptain49,914 posts
    14 Aug 2017, 13:48
    #181
    14 Aug 2017, 13:48#181
    And if you left South Africa in 73 and are accused of doing so wishing Aids would wipe out the Black population.....your accuser is a disgusting liar. But we knew that.
    RO
    RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
    14 Aug 2017, 13:52
    #182
    14 Aug 2017, 13:52#182
    I think all of us deserve credit for ever reading/skimming through Baboon-ou posts.

    We all know that reading anything posted by Baboon-ou actually makes us all a little bit more stupid than we were before we read it but we do it anyway because we feel sorry for him.

    See, you don't have a to be a christian to do little acts of kindness.
    RO
    RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
    14 Aug 2017, 13:57
    #183
    14 Aug 2017, 13:57#183
    Poor Moffie, still haunted by the disgustingly racist comments he made to another board member all those years ago.

    Maybe if he'd worried less about the jacket the other guy was (or wasn't) wearing and concentrated more on keeping his stupid bigoted trap shut he wouldn't be getting all tearful and defensive today.


    MO
    MozartCaptain49,914 posts
    14 Aug 2017, 14:17
    #184
    14 Aug 2017, 14:17#184
    Caught out by his disgusting lie Urinal twists and turns....not some mythical conversation....,but in writing right on this thread. No way out of this one Lush, you are sunk.
    RO
    RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
    14 Aug 2017, 14:27
    #185
    14 Aug 2017, 14:27#185
    Don't know what twisting and turning you're referring to Moffie. I'm not one of your boy scout victims.
    MO
    MozartCaptain49,914 posts
    14 Aug 2017, 15:47
    #186
    14 Aug 2017, 15:47#186
    Yeah sure liar.....add another lie to the one which you stupidly made on this thread. Aids awareness in 1973.....LMAOFY!
    RO
    RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
    14 Aug 2017, 16:09
    #187
    14 Aug 2017, 16:09#187
    "Aids awareness in 1973.....LMAOFY!"

    Typical manipulation by the deceitful old toad.

    Nowhere am I saying anything about AIDS in 1973. What I am saying is that Moffie told a fellow board member that he left South Africa because he could no longer live with black people and he also told that same fellow board member that he wished AIDS would wipe out South Africa's black population.

    Of course Moffie would try to deny these claims - who wouldn't - but note the deceitful and cowardly manner in which he tries to manipulate my statement and change what it is that I'm saying to something that he can actually truthfully deny.
    MO
    MozartCaptain49,914 posts
    14 Aug 2017, 16:27
    #188
    14 Aug 2017, 16:27#188
     "No surprise to see Moffie condoning genocide. This is the same disgusting piece of human scum who readily admits that he only left South Africa because he hates black people and he hoped AIDS would be the final solution that exterminated the black population of South Africa.".. .... ..'he left 'because he hates black people and hoped Aids would be the final solution' ... Kinda says it all.......'hates black people and hoped Aids would be the final solution' expands on 'he left because'. There is no other way to read it. You obviously thought Aids was in my mind as I left in 1973. What an ignorant fool. ... I have donated to Doctors Without Borders for years, in part to help fight the effects of this disease.....what have you done?
    DE
    DennyCaptain12,893 posts
    15 Aug 2017, 07:41
    #189
    15 Aug 2017, 07:41#189
     what have you done?
    Apart from being a loudmouth suffering the addiction of alcohol and drugs.......well, nothing really.
    MO
    MozartCaptain49,914 posts
    15 Aug 2017, 13:32
    #190
    15 Aug 2017, 13:32#190
    Klop.
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