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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Sept 2024, 13:20
#1
24 Sept 2024, 13:20#1
Rassie is an awesome human being 15. Fassi 14. Kolbe 13. Kriel 12. de Allende 11. Arendse 10. Libbok 9. Hendrikse 1. Ox 2. Bongi 3. Malherbe 4. Etzebeth 5. Nortje 6. Kolisi 7. PSDT 8. Wiese 16. Marx 17. Steenkamp 18. Koch 19. Elrigh Louw 20. Kwagga 21. Reinach 22. Pollard 23. Am Hats off to Rassie for starting Manie - that is beautiful
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Sept 2024, 13:23
#2
24 Sept 2024, 13:23#2

Pretty happy with the team...hope Manie has a blinder!!!!


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Sept 2024, 13:40
#3
24 Sept 2024, 13:40#3
What a credit to Rassie for giving him a lifeline - the man is just a fucking beaut
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
24 Sept 2024, 13:42
#4
24 Sept 2024, 13:42#4
Now that is something alright !! I also hope Manie will be on his best. With Manie starting we might also see a more open game. Manie has excellent distribution skills and can cause havoc on the right day. So Rassie is making a Statement here. His not dropping anybody that easy.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Sept 2024, 13:42
#5
24 Sept 2024, 13:42#5

Manie played well apart from that bad missed penalty at the end. Rassie wants Pollard to close it out.

Anybody know what condition Kolbe is in. He went Awol on Saturday. 

Player who may not have what it takes. 

Thomas du Toit is a big man but compare the work he puts in to that of Ox. Koch at least contributes outside the scrum. Du Toit not that much. 

I like the look of Wessels at hooker. Expect big things from him. 

Moerat is a non entity. 

Dixon is certainly no Steph DuToit. It is of course early days so we shall see.  Very very difficult to full the big boots of Steph! 

I felt our lose trio could do with a bit more pace against a side like Argentina. Hope Roos comes back soon. 

Nortje is a find. Huge engine and terrific work rate. Reminds me of Mostert but more powerful. 

Am is better suited to 13. Allende is still da man. 

I have to also say Kriel on the wing is an option. Bring on Am and put Jessie on the wing. Strengthens our defence. 

Fassie has the goods but doesnt quite have the head of a Willie Le Roux yet. 

Hope Willemse comes back and is still the player he was

Expecting the Boks to come bouncing back at Nelspruit. 

Congrats to Eben breaking the record of I CON IC wee matfiled as the most capped Bok ever. Best con artist to ever play the game!! 

I do hope wee Rooitwit will acknowledge that Eben is an all time great dispite being so rough. Hahahahahahaha. 






KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
24 Sept 2024, 13:51
#6
24 Sept 2024, 13:51#6

Kak team, just looked at the stats this years on Pollard. He has only played 300 min of test rugby out a 1000. Pieter Steph tops the most minutes this season. 

Would you ever use your key player like this. Ireland would never chop and change Jonny Sexton. If he is fit, he would play. Way use Pollard so sparingly. He has tried 3 10s this season, one has backfired against Argentina. 

I'm also concerned as I don't know who the number twos are and who are the real starting 15 or even 22. 

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
24 Sept 2024, 13:53
#7
24 Sept 2024, 13:53#7

Had a feeling Manie would play again. Better to start him too than have him come on later.

Anybody know what condition Kolbe is in. He went Awol on Saturday.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Sept 2024, 13:59
#8
24 Sept 2024, 13:59#8

KC

Better accept it Pollard is on the way to the coaching set-up and not the 2027 RWC.   Although only missing one kick at goal Pollard's comtrbution last week was so-so - in other words below par.  

I think some of the oldies are also still playing - but the problem was in the backlne where defense went to pieces.    I think wth De Allende at 12  Libbok will improve in playng.   Pollard once said that De Allende is the best no 12 center he ever played with and  take the load off the shoulders of the flyhalfs and  Pollard obviously missed him on Saturday as well.    .        

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sharkbokCaptain23,217 posts
24 Sept 2024, 14:17
#9
24 Sept 2024, 14:17#9
Yes, starting with Libbok is a better option. If the game is close near the end, the Boks will need a pole kicker than can close out games.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Sept 2024, 14:20
#10
24 Sept 2024, 14:20#10

Mike I thought Pollard had a very good game. 

Some criticised Rassie for taking him off but it looked  like Handre was feeling the 36 degree heat. 




CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Sept 2024, 14:26
#11
24 Sept 2024, 14:26#11

If Shaca was fit and playing either Pollard or Libbok would not have been  in the 23 on  the tests  against the Agentinians. both away and at home.            

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Sept 2024, 14:26
#12
24 Sept 2024, 14:26#12

If Shaca was fit and playing either Pollard or Libbok would not have been  in the 23 on  the tests  against the Agentinians. both away and at home.            

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ChippoPro3,372 posts
24 Sept 2024, 14:59
#13
24 Sept 2024, 14:59#13
“ Anybody know what condition Kolbe is in. He went Awol on Saturday.” He didnt play, you numb but.
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
24 Sept 2024, 15:36
#14
24 Sept 2024, 15:36#14

He didnt play, you numb but.

Well, there goes the little inside joke of the week

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
24 Sept 2024, 15:47
#15
24 Sept 2024, 15:47#15
I doubt this has much to do with loyalty. It's the last RC game, there are no other 10s in the squad since Sacha is injured. Unless Manie plays a blinder, I'm not seeing much hope for him appearing on the end of year tour. Manie is toast...sorry all you WP boys.
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
24 Sept 2024, 16:07
#16
24 Sept 2024, 16:07#16
This will be his last chance to make the tour.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Sept 2024, 17:05
#17
24 Sept 2024, 17:05#17
Disagree Plum he could just as easily have brought in Jordan Hendrikse who played against Wales earlier in the year who showed big BMT slotting the winning CC final kick That is loyalty from Rassie - he makes the right calls just like he did yanking Manie off at minute 30ish in the WC
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Sept 2024, 17:16
#18
24 Sept 2024, 17:16#18

"Manie is toast...sorry all you WP boys."

We know he shouldn't be taking the kicks ...and he will have poor games...but there'll be magic too...lots of it...

His kicking woes is similar to a hooker missing his jumpers...I don't see the calls for axing Bongi or Marx for missing a couple...

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2024, 17:18
#19
24 Sept 2024, 17:18#19
It won’t be close, it’s a meaningless gesture ….Manie’s career is dependent on learning to kick under pressure, not starting with a Pollard lifeline.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Sept 2024, 17:22
#20
24 Sept 2024, 17:22#20

Manie is a lucky packet and shouldn't play past the 60 min mark, unless the match is beyond loosing...and if he's having a poor outing, sub him in the first half...manage his strengths AND weaknesses...he's something like Carlos Spencer...nobody better than him when on song, but boy can he be k@k when not.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Sept 2024, 17:45
#21
24 Sept 2024, 17:45#21
Meaningless gesture my arse it’s a beautiful gesture by a brilliant coach - it’s touches like this that set him apart We would have all dropped Manie after that miss but not Rassie Draad is right - Manie is a class act - play him correctly - if he plays he needs to start, he cannot be relied upon to close out a game
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
24 Sept 2024, 17:58
#22
24 Sept 2024, 17:58#22
Manie is toast...sorry all you WP boys." "We know he shouldn't be taking the kicks ...and he will have poor games...but there'll be magic too...lots of it..." Compare Manie's magic in his entire Bok career to Sacha's. There's a massive difference. In terms of magic I'm choosing Sacha. Compare Manie's solidity to Pollard's. Again, night and day. In terms of dependability, I'm choosing Pollard. Now let's compare guys that deserve a chance. Manie has had a chance and he hasn't really created much. His distribution and pace should see him creating, but he's about par as far as creating goes. Defence, probably below par. So if we're talking chances, I'm gonna say we need to give Hendrikse a shot now. Honestly, I'm not a Manie hater. Just that logically I can see any use in keeping him right now...based on his performances during and since the WC.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Sept 2024, 18:19
#23
24 Sept 2024, 18:19#23
Manie has been suspect kicking for poles but has been great at putting players into space It would be pretty poor to define him by his sometimes suspect goal kicking when there is far far more to him Rassie clearly likes and rates him and I completely get that Pollard is at the end of his career and therefore we need three 10’s we have them in Pollard, Sacha and Manie The only real challenger to this group should be Masuku as Jordan Hendrikse is finding himself playing less and less at 10 and more at 12 and 15 these days much like Willemse plus his kicking is as a long range option, he plays second fiddle to Masuku at the Sharks as he did to Nohamba at the Lions Pollard gives us solidity and a bit of physicality at 10, Sacha and Libbok give us flair and creativity Given this selection Manie is clearly going nowhere and is certainly not toast just like Roos, Ben Jason Dixon etc are not
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2024, 18:31
#24
24 Sept 2024, 18:31#24

Manie also can’t tackle…can’t run in tight spaces. And as things stand, he obviously can’t kick under pressure. A toasted bagel that Harrassmiss has included to demonstrate he is his own man. If this was a final at risk….just as in the WC , Manie wouldn’t be playing.

So a meaningless gesture more to make Harrassmiss look good than to save Libbok. The man is so transparent.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Sept 2024, 18:39
#25
24 Sept 2024, 18:39#25
Nothing wrong with Maine’s defence - I’m yet to see him fail defensively Sure given his size he is not going to target contact but that’s not his role As for your pathetic take on Rassie we’ll shock shock you never have a good word to say about him It’s childish What is really funny is that you dislike Rassie but like Jake White who is a complete prick Very strange but hey ho
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
24 Sept 2024, 20:24
#26
24 Sept 2024, 20:24#26
Manie against Scotland/Ireland/France in the World Cup:
13 tackles made11 tackles missed

Yes, clearly nothing wrong with his defence.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Sept 2024, 20:40
#27
24 Sept 2024, 20:40#27
Oh yeah those wonderful stats that are so damn accurate like Mostert never missing a tackle in the 2019 WC final They are a load of shit. If Manie was that bad a defender he would not be playing test rugby Hardly a dominant tackle but he gets the job done
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Sept 2024, 21:02
#28
24 Sept 2024, 21:02#28

I think we would not have stayed within reach of France's score for Pollard to make those vital kicks he did in the quarters, without Manie.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Sept 2024, 21:05
#29
24 Sept 2024, 21:05#29
Manie is a quality player - that is without doubt I’m a big fan
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2024, 21:19
#30
24 Sept 2024, 21:19#30

How soon we forget:

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Sep 23, 2024, 00:12

Yep after that Manie is toast - that kick was straight forward 

Earlier he fucked up the penalty kick to the corner as well

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2024, 21:21
#31
24 Sept 2024, 21:21#31
Saffolk 

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Sep 23, 2024, 00:12

Yep after that Manie is toast - that kick was straight forward 

Earlier he fucked up the penalty kick to the corner as well

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2024, 21:22
#32
24 Sept 2024, 21:22#32
Saffolk 

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Sep 23, 2024, 00:12

Yep after that Manie is toast - that kick was straight forward 

Earlier he fucked up the penalty kick to the corner as well

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2024, 21:23
#33
24 Sept 2024, 21:23#33

The human brain retains things better after repeating them 3 times….I trust  that helps Dave or does Harrassmiss do all your thinking for you?

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2024, 21:25
#34
24 Sept 2024, 21:25#34

Absolute nonsense Draad, Manie’s only contribution to our try scoring was a 50/50 cross kick that happened to fall to Dud Allende. Any flyhalf could have made that kick.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Sept 2024, 21:34
#35
24 Sept 2024, 21:34#35
Moz don’t act stupid - that was not my call that was what I thought Rassie would do. But Rassie is bigger than that and it’s that quality that sets him apart. The man is special. I’m not stupid enough to define Manie as a player based on one missed kick I’m also not stupid enough to declare that Pollard won us all those WC games or that we won them because opposition players missed their kicks Rugby is a 15 man game played over 80 min - the team did the work to get that penalty which Manie missed but given how they had played over 80min saying they deserved to win it would be a stretch We were poor against the Argies unlike the tests we won and lost in the WC where we were the better side as we were in the two tests against Ireland Manie is a class player but we can’t rely on him to kick our points at the end of the game. Simple solution is that when you do choose to play him it has to be as a starter
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2024, 21:44
#36
24 Sept 2024, 21:44#36

Amazing …here are the stays vs Bargie last year. Incredible how those stats are always wrong for Libbok


W RouxFB1200C KolbeW2800J KrielC11000D AllendeC0920K ArendseW1320M LibbokFH1430G WilliamsSH0000S KitshoffP1400M MarxH0919F MalherbeP1510E EtzebethL11600M OrieL1700M StadenFL1710P ToitFL22050D VermeulenN81910B MbonambiR0611T NyakaneR0810V KochR0810K SmithR01210R SnymanR1810F KlerkR41131L AmR1210D WillemseR0200
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2024, 21:52
#38
24 Sept 2024, 21:52#38

Look at those Aussie numbers….Libbok lost the ball 3 times, made 4 tackle attempts and missed 2.  Game after game the numbers are the same. 

Nobody dislikes his gliding runs or sensitive passes, realists just recognize you can’t start a serious test with a player who can’t defend his channel is stripped of the ball and can’t kick when you need him to kick.

Selecting that player says you have no other options, or the test is easily won  anyway or you have another agenda.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Sept 2024, 22:18
#39
24 Sept 2024, 22:18#39
It’s a certainty that Manie does not have an issue defending for if he did he would not be playing test rugby especially at 10 Just like Fassi was sent away to go work on his defence - that has never happened to Manie which confirms the fact that his defence is fine There is only one issue with Manie and that’s taking pressure kicks despite the fact that he has landed some pressure kicks in his time Sure you would not select him to kick in a WC final but most the tests we play are not cup or competition deciders so it’s not an issue Manie is a useful member of the squad, is one of the few that is under 30 so I fully get Rassie showing faith in him and investing in him Good on Rassie - Manie is a class act
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2024, 23:29
#40
24 Sept 2024, 23:29#40

Mostert does not have an issue dominating collisions.

He has never been sent away to bulk up (and slow down).

There is only one issue with Mostert, he isn’t a monster lock despite the fact that he has outplayed many monsters in his time.

Good on Rassie-Mostert is a class act.


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