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DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
26 Sept 2024, 11:44
#81
26 Sept 2024, 11:44#81

"This is now apparently the guy that contributes nothing other than regulation tackling. Fuck off"

Have to agree Pakie

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Sept 2024, 12:05
#82
26 Sept 2024, 12:05#82
Well Pakie he certainly does not contribute physically and that’s a fact unless you are fucking delusional He is a sad excuse for a Bok lock - zero grunt
PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
26 Sept 2024, 12:13
#83
26 Sept 2024, 12:13#83

Suit yourself Dave. 

Seeing a guy driving through a ruck creating turnover possession and then saying something like "he certainly does not contribute physically" is the dictionary definition of delusion.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
26 Sept 2024, 12:17
#84
26 Sept 2024, 12:17#84
Come on Dave how do you explain that video footage away? There is enough dominant clean outs, Tackles to warrant his physicality….be honest who doesn’t see it in that video?
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
26 Sept 2024, 13:17
#85
26 Sept 2024, 13:17#85

"Come on Dave how do you explain that video footage away?"

Quite simply, you can't, which is why even Mostert's attacking ruck effeciently is actually better and higher than our fantastic Eben, and that speaks volumes, given just how incredible Eben is .

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Sept 2024, 13:24
#86
26 Sept 2024, 13:24#86
Give me a break there is not one single bit of evidence of him showing physical dominance in that footage - the only time there is any backward press is with the help of a second or third defender Him flying into a ruck to join his teammates is hardly physical dominance Dream on all I see is process tackles and kick off takes It’s virtually impossible for a skinny narrow shouldered 2m tall player weighing 112kg to ever be physically dominant - the science is against him There is zero bulk on the guy and his work in contact suffers as a result Plenty of heart and energy as always with minimum physical impact
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
26 Sept 2024, 13:32
#87
26 Sept 2024, 13:32#87
Ah well, each to their Own.
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
26 Sept 2024, 14:48
#88
26 Sept 2024, 14:48#88

"Him flying into a ruck to join his teammates is hardly physical dominance"

"It’s virtually impossible for a skinny narrow shouldered 2m tall player weighing 112kg to ever be physically dominant - the science is against him"

Then why is he more effecient than Eben when attacking the ruck? 

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
26 Sept 2024, 14:52
#89
26 Sept 2024, 14:52#89

"There is zero bulk on the guy and his work in contact suffers as a result"

"Plenty of heart and energy as always with minimum physical impact"

Well, either Mostert's technique is better than Eben, when attacking the ruck .... or he is physically more impactful than Eben ..... you choose.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Sept 2024, 15:52
#90
26 Sept 2024, 15:52#90

Useful video. When do we ever see DudToit making an open field tackle on a wing in space like the tackle Mostert made on the Lions wing. We don’t …he can hit stationary targets, a wing in full flight….never. 

Mostert is the better all round tackler as constantly demonstrated by tackling completion numbers. Test after test.. And tackling is Dud’s long suite.


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Sept 2024, 18:43
#91
26 Sept 2024, 18:43#91
DA we know you know fuck all about rugby and you have just confirmed that telling us powder puff is more effective than Eben in attacking the ruck whatever that is
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Sept 2024, 18:44
#92
26 Sept 2024, 18:44#92
I challenge anyone to show me evidence of Mostert being dominant in the carry or defensively or hitting a ruck in the footage above Point out the moment
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Sept 2024, 19:01
#93
26 Sept 2024, 19:01#93
So let's see... The list of people that don't rate Mostert are... Dave Denise Mike So far it's about 3 out of the roughly 20 regulars here.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Sept 2024, 19:11
#94
26 Sept 2024, 19:11#94

Minute 0.24 Mostert is hit by Itoje and another Lions forward a meter outside the 22….he breaks through their joint tackles and ends 2 metres inside the 22. Physically dominant…case closed.

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
26 Sept 2024, 19:20
#95
26 Sept 2024, 19:20#95

I challenge anyone to show me evidence of Mostert being dominant in the carry or defensively or hitting a ruck in the footage above

You didn't see him hit one ruck in that footage? Not even when he pushed the Lions off their own ruck to win a turnover for the Boks? Dave, you are being intellectually dishonest and just like Mike expecting people to keep producing evidence over and over while you just keep denying seeing anything. Pathetic. If only your integrity matched your mouth.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Sept 2024, 19:39
#96
26 Sept 2024, 19:39#96

Who are dishonest is the supporters who wants the 34 year old in the team next year,   He si not irereplacable  and that is a fact,   I love the way Mozart found one case that Mostert got the ball for 1 meter and for a change went forwards in the tackle,   After 72 tests is one case enough to set any norm?   

Stupid argument anyway - most of the posters who want younger players suppor Mostert as if their lives depend on it.    He is not rreplaceble so this story is way off the mark and reality,    .            

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Sept 2024, 20:15
#97
26 Sept 2024, 20:15#97
Moz stop speaking shit - Itoje does not front up to him, he over runs the tackle attempt - there is fuck all physical dominance there not even close. The other Lion brings him down with ease Your take as per usual is a load of shit
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Sept 2024, 20:18
#98
26 Sept 2024, 20:18#98
Pakie I see him hitting rucks joining his team mates all with forward momentum Hitting a ruck as part of a unit does not define an individuals physical dominance unless a player does something uniquely out of the ordinary - like we sometimes see from some brutes like Eben, Paul Willemse, Skelton and Joe McCarthy on occasions
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Sept 2024, 20:23
#99
26 Sept 2024, 20:23#99
Dave asks for one example. It's provided... Mike isn't happy. Mostert is a man's man. Not a type train, look-the-part, check my flex, guppie. Moster & Eben > Matfield & Bakkies. Now cry.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Sept 2024, 20:25
#100
26 Sept 2024, 20:25#100
The example was a joke I’m waiting for a real example Mostert is shit
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
26 Sept 2024, 21:03
#101
26 Sept 2024, 21:03#101

Plum…..I don’t really think about Mostert, so I guess that tells you all you need to know.

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
26 Sept 2024, 21:18
#102
26 Sept 2024, 21:18#102

Dear editor, can we please have a 'don't likes' knoppie. Dankie.

BE
becsPro4,378 posts
26 Sept 2024, 21:20
#103
26 Sept 2024, 21:20#103

Ha ha ha ! 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Sept 2024, 23:34
#104
26 Sept 2024, 23:34#104
Do you think any of the Bok forwards, Becs?
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
26 Sept 2024, 23:44
#105
26 Sept 2024, 23:44#105

Oh yes, Plum. I dream about them  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Sept 2024, 23:55
#106
26 Sept 2024, 23:55#106

Itoje hits him from the side the other player hits him head on….he makes 3 meters. But I get it, when Dud Toit makes 3 meters through a single tackle,  it’s a great example of physicality….when Mostert gets tackled by 2 players, it’s not, because one didn’t hit him head on. How often do two players hit a runner head on simultaneously I wonder.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Sept 2024, 23:55
#107
26 Sept 2024, 23:55#107
Mostert is an awesome contributor.
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
26 Sept 2024, 23:59
#108
26 Sept 2024, 23:59#108

Honeyball, a devastating tackler had narrow shoulders.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Sept 2024, 00:01
#109
27 Sept 2024, 00:01#109
Bullshit Itoje over runs his attempted tackle One certainty is that Itoje is far more physical than powder puff and had he lined him up properly he would have smashed him There is no fucking way Mostert would ever get the better of Itoje in a one on one physical battle That miss by Itoje left the second Lions defender less committed hence riding the tackle bring powder puff down As for PSDT if you ever wanted evidence of physicality look no further than his hits in the WC final We have NEVER in all of powder puffs caps seen him make dominant tackles like PSDT did - therein lies the difference A physical player vs a complete pretender
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Sept 2024, 00:32
#110
27 Sept 2024, 00:32#110

Oh I see Itoje wasn’t in position to make the tackle, but in the instant he fell off Mostert, the other Lions player became uncommitted which is why Mostert powered through his tackle. 


PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Sept 2024, 06:20
#111
27 Sept 2024, 06:20#111
Okay, so Becs has no thoughts on nay Bok forwards. So the tally...Mike, Dave and Denise. Haha whatta team!!! Versus... Pakie, King, Mp, Moz, Blo, Draad, Rooi, Beeno, DA, Chippo, Xavi, AJ, me...and I'm likely forgetting a few more. Now, which side is more likely to be correct.
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Sept 2024, 06:38
#112
27 Sept 2024, 06:38#112
Okay, now let's tackle the next 3 points Dave makes... 1) Not a single one of my rugby mates outside this board, rate Mostert Every single one of my mates rates Mostert is a superhero. Clearly this argument is meaningless. 2) Secondly it’s the biggest insult ever to Eben saying useless powder puff is smarter Eben contributes big power in moments and steals some lineouts. A great player but rarely makes a lifesaving tackle on a man in space or gets around nearly as much as Mostert does. Mostert often finds himself in the right place at the right time, is the first man back at pressure rucks and makes the early tackles that Marx and company pilfer ball from. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that Mostert reads the game better than Eben does. 3) Thirdly you are speaking utter shit that Eben and Mostert are the most successful combo in the dominant engine room. Lood was the incumbent until he got injured. Rassie eventually saw the light and selected the more physical Lood over powder puff How many TROPHIES do the Eben and Lood combo have? How many do the Eben and Mostert combo have? How the F does injury play into this? Success is measured by trophies, not could woulda shoulda. Lets see how these debunks of Dave's fallacies are responded to, then we'll move on to the rest of his flawed points.
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
27 Sept 2024, 07:18
#113
27 Sept 2024, 07:18#113

"DA we know you know fuck all about rugby and you have just confirmed that telling us powder puff is more effective than Eben in attacking the ruck whatever that is"

Typical Dave, being the absolute doos that he always is..... what a complete and utter idiot to think that he knows absolutely everything about every single player

Here it is you twat ...

All you did here is just confirm your absolute ignorance regarding Mostert, such is your hatred of the guy .....you know a lot about Rugby Dave.... whilst at the same time, also knowing sweet fuck all as well .

Mostert vs Eben stats

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
27 Sept 2024, 08:01
#114
27 Sept 2024, 08:01#114

"If only your integrity matched your mouth"

Never going to happen

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Sept 2024, 10:13
#115
27 Sept 2024, 10:13#115
LOL DA... "This sentiment is evidenced when analysing other important markers. Etzebeth’s dominant carry success is at 29.1%, just 2.5% behind Retallick in top spot. His dominant tackle rate is 9.6%, 0.3% behind Barrett. With 88% he’s second behind Mostert (90%) when it comes to attacking ruck efficiency... I guess we put this down as a mega-ooooooooooopsie for Dave. Imagine a useless powder-puff having better ruck stats than Eben.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Sept 2024, 10:35
#116
27 Sept 2024, 10:35#116
Well Moz there is one certainty and that is Mostert never powered through Itoje so stop speaking shit And if you had ever played the game in your life you would know that if a guy in front of you looks like he is going to tackle a player you yourself would be focusing your attention elsewhere. So Itoje over runs and misaligns the hit, the second defender has to make the tackle the so rides Mostert’s advance and brings him down easily - there is absolutely no powering through anywhere and that’s a fact
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
27 Sept 2024, 14:30
#117
27 Sept 2024, 14:30#117

"LOL DA...

I guess we put this down as a mega-ooooooooooopsie for Dave.

Imagine a useless powder-puff having better ruck stats than Eben"

It just clearly shows you how utterly pathetic the doos Dave really is .... especially regarding certain players.

For someone who admittedly knows less about the game than Dave does, it really didn't take much for me at all, to show him up to be the fucking clueless idiot he just showed himself to be..... on this specific point.

What a fucking twat

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Sept 2024, 15:58
#118
27 Sept 2024, 15:58#118
Well, there are those on the board that will actually confront evidence, those that never will...and those like Dave, who pretend to confront it but basically just shout "Nah Nah Nahnah Nah."
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Sept 2024, 16:11
#119
27 Sept 2024, 16:11#119

Actually Itoje has his arms wrapped around Mostert and the other Lions player hits him head on….the only reason Itoje can’t hang on is Mostert powers through the other tackler, so Itoje spins  off the back. Mostert is slowed down though and the other player eventually brings him down three metres ahead.

He powered through two tacklers…fact.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Sept 2024, 19:53
#120
27 Sept 2024, 19:53#120
Ah Moz so Itoje does not get to him first? And the second player does not get him down easily? I see Now I’ve read some shit in my time but wow Please point out where the power is in this passage of play? I’m genuinely struggling here? Itoje makes a poor attempt to tackle Mostert over running it, off balance awkward - fuck all power form Mostert has anything to do with Itoje The second player rides Mostert and brings him down with ease - where is the power there?
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