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Rapports Top 30 Boks (IMPROVED)

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DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
31 Dec 2022, 18:50
#1
31 Dec 2022, 18:50#1

In no particular order: 

  1. Danie Gerber
  2. Franco Mostert
  3. Victor Matfield
  4. Bryan Habana
  5. Fourie Du Preez
  6. Heinrich Brussow
  7. Morné Steyn
  8. Os Du Randt
  9. Jaque Fourie
  10. Francois Steyn
  11. Kwagga Smith
  12. Joost Van Der Westhuizen
  13. Tendai Mtawarira
  14. Bakkies Botha
  15. Schalk Burger
  16. Willie Le Roux
  17. Joe Van Niekerk
  18. Juan Smith
  19. Percy Montgomery
  20. Os Du Randt
  21. Jean De Villiers
  22. John Smit
  23. Gary Teichman
  24. Breyton Paulse
  25. Duane Vermuelen
  26. Eben Etzebeth
  27. JP Pietersen
  28. Kobus Wiese
  29. Mark Andrews
  30. André Venter

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
31 Dec 2022, 19:33
#2
31 Dec 2022, 19:33#2

Has Os got a twin?

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 Dec 2022, 19:55
#3
31 Dec 2022, 19:55#3

You're working for Rapport now?

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
31 Dec 2022, 20:09
#4
31 Dec 2022, 20:09#4

I'll edit that out AJH. I wish he did have a twin! Only part time Draad, they can't afford me. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 00:47
#5
02 Jan 2023, 00:47#5
Fucking joke
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
02 Jan 2023, 01:16
#6
02 Jan 2023, 01:16#6

Are you upset there's no place for JJ (better than Gerber), Lambie, Steph, Kolisi, Watson, Boshoff, Damian, Murray, Goosen (Best since Naas) ?  

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 01:22
#7
02 Jan 2023, 01:22#7
Fucking joke Given how fucking utterly rugby clueless you are I’m not even going to bother picking out some of your selections which are not only laughable they are fucking insulting And Doos try really hard to get your facts straight - I know you are a profoundly stupid twat but come on - Boshoff???? Dumbfuck
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
02 Jan 2023, 01:45
#8
02 Jan 2023, 01:45#8

Come now Saffex, you were the fellow who backed these players at various points. Don't be shy. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 02:38
#9
02 Jan 2023, 02:38#9
Doos was one of those players Boshoff you dumbfuck??? Huh
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Jan 2023, 08:47
#10
02 Jan 2023, 08:47#10

It was CC and myself who thought Boshof showed some early promise. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 13:17
#11
02 Jan 2023, 13:17#11
I knew it was that idiot CC I did not think you had been inflicted by the same bug Draad?
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 13:26
#12
02 Jan 2023, 13:26#12
Top 30: 1. Danie Gerber 2. Bob Skinstad 3. Joe v Niekerk 4. Jaque Fourie 5. Jean de Villiers 6. Os du Randt 7. Joost 8. Fourie du Preez 9. Vermeulen 10. PSDT 11. Eben Etzebeth 12. Bakkies 13. Matfield 14. de Allende 15. Am 16. Habana 17. Kolbe 18. Kolisi 19. Malherbe 20. Marx 21. Bismark 22. Schalk 23. Juan Smith 24. Vermeulen 25. Kitshoff 26. Mark Andrews 27. Japie Mulder 28. Frans Steyn 29. Pollard 30. Beast
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
02 Jan 2023, 14:12
#13
02 Jan 2023, 14:12#13

What has Am done? He isn't even as good as Joubert was. Damian has done nothing his entire career. I'm still waiting for him to have one good test. It's nearly ten years since his debut and we are still waiting for that breakout game. Pollard is good, but is he better than Stransky, Butch, Morné, or even Pretorius? No on all counts, except maybe Pretorius. Bismarck was overrated. Marx hasn't done anything to crack the top 30 yet. He can be good on the ground, but his overall game is far too inconsistent. In 2016, he was the best Bok, and best hooker in the world, we've never seen that again, though cracks were still apparent to the more observant. Steph has had two solid tests in his entire career. Both occurring in 2018. Nothing good before or since. He consistently ranks around 20th at flank in a good patch (by his standards). Kolbe is too flawed. I'd have nearly a dozen wings before I'd select him. Kitshoff? Malherbe is a belly flopper. Jannie was better, so too CJ Van Der Linde, Naka Drotske, BJ Botha, Swart. But seeing as you rated Mujati best tighthead in rugby, we see where your standards are. Skinstad is a more understandable selection, though I disagree with it. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 14:24
#14
02 Jan 2023, 14:24#14
Doos no one gives a flying fuck what you think And I mean that sincerely especially considering some of your joke selections Naka Drotske, BJ Botha bwhaaahaaaaa Keep up the good work - you keep re- enforcing how utterly fucking rugby ignorant you are
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 14:36
#15
02 Jan 2023, 14:36#15
The following could have easily made the list: 1. Mordt 2. Lood 3. Faf 4. Andre Venter 5. Ruben Kruger 6. Mbonambi 7. John Smit 8. JP Pietersen 9. Jannie du Plessis 10. Mapimpi 11. James Smal 12. Chester Williams 13. Andre Joubert 14. Willie 15. Marius Joubert 16. Pieter Muller 17. James Dalton 18. Kobus Wiese 19. Robbie Fleck 20. Carel du Plessis 21. Naas Botha 22. Jessie Kriel 23. Adriaan Strauss 24. Butch James 25. Corne Krige 26. Rassie 27. Stefan Terblanche 28. Pieter Rossouw 29. Krynauw Otto 30. Henry Honibal 31. Stransky 32. Pienaar 33. Uli Schmidt 34. Rob Louw 35. Garth Wright 36. Ox 37. CJ vd Linde 38. Andre Snyman
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jan 2023, 15:11
#16
02 Jan 2023, 15:11#16
  1. Danie Gerber
  2. Franco Mostert
  3. Victor Matfield
  4. Bryan Habana
  5. Fourie Du Preez
  6. Heinrich Brussow
  7. Morné Steyn
  8. Os Du Randt
  9. Jaque Fourie
  10. Francois Steyn
  11. Kwagga Smith
  12. Joost Van Der Westhuizen
  13. Tendai Mtawarira
  14. Bakkies Botha
  15. Schalk Burger
  16. Willie Le Roux
  17. Joe Van Niekerk
  18. Juan Smith
  19. Percy Montgomery
  20. Os Du Randt
  21. Jean De Villiers
  22. John Smit
  23. Gary Teichman
  24. Breyton Paulse
  25. Duane Vermuelen
  26. Eben Etzebeth
  27. JP Pietersen
  28. Kobus Wiese
  29. Mark Andrews
  30. André Venter
The above list contain some names who failed many times.   I took out the names of a few of the mad cap list.   


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 15:19
#17
02 Jan 2023, 15:19#17
Mostert and Morne Steyn bwhaaaahaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaa
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
02 Jan 2023, 17:16
#18
02 Jan 2023, 17:16#18
Reference a more highly decorated 10 in all of Bok history...
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Jan 2023, 17:33
#19
02 Jan 2023, 17:33#19

The only man who beat the Lions twice. Imagine you have a player who can deliver in one of the two ways points are scored, with almost 100% certainty…..and that points scoring machine can’t get a place in the top 30 players? Just more emotional thinking.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 18:09
#20
02 Jan 2023, 18:09#20
Morne Steyn has always been super shit Offers zero with ball in hand and was always shit scared of tackling He could kick - big deal Does that make him a great rugby player - not even close Hell virtually every player that has played 10 for the Boks is a better rugby player than Morne Of the recent 10’s that come to mind in Naas, Honibal, Stransky, Hennie Le Roux, Butch James, Pretorious, Goosen, Gaffie, Jantjies, Lambie, Libbok and Pollard - these are all more gifted and talented rugby players than Morne ever was I’d give Morne the edge over Braam v Straaten and that’s about where it ends Morne was always a boring player to watch and has always been chicken shit of contact Defining a player based on his ability to kick a ball is a laugh
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Jan 2023, 20:01
#21
02 Jan 2023, 20:01#21

No super shit are guys like Lambie, Jantjies and Goosen who you always championed and who failed. Give me a winner over a loser any day.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Jan 2023, 20:01
#22
02 Jan 2023, 20:01#22

No super shit are guys like Lambie, Jantjies and Goosen who you always championed and who failed. Give me a winner over a loser any day.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Jan 2023, 20:02
#23
02 Jan 2023, 20:02#23

No super shit are guys like Lambie, Jantjies and Goosen who you always championed and who failed. Give me a winner over a loser any day.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 20:07
#24
02 Jan 2023, 20:07#24
There is nothing winner about Morne, his record with the Boks is average Goosen, Lambie and Jantjies have more rugby talent in their little fingers than the talentless, boring Morne He was a yawn a minute unless kicking for poles or the leather off the balls is what you get your rugby kicks from As a pure rugby player Morne had nothing to offer
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Jan 2023, 20:52
#25
02 Jan 2023, 20:52#25

But Goosen, Jantjies and Lambie would have missed the kick that won the Lions series.Boring is in the eye of the beholder. Sure I think Libbok is more exciting and Goosen in the early days.

But I don’t find Jantjies or Lambie at all exciting.

And speaking about boring…..Dud Allende’s crash ball rugby is surely as boring as it gets. But it doesn’t bore you watching him run 10 times for a metre a carry.

Morne was primarily an old style Bok kicking flyhalf but he had a splendid pass and a great tactical sense of what to do next.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 21:03
#26
02 Jan 2023, 21:03#26
Nope Jantjies and Lambie were great goal kickers Nothing boring about watching de Allende dominate his opponents physically - watch him take contact and carry defenders Also great seeing him beat defenders by attacking space and making some great breaks DA has been particularly good this last season so much so that he has made 3 different world sides of the year Nothing boring about DA at all. We have by far the best centre combo in the game with DA and Am
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Jan 2023, 21:08
#27
02 Jan 2023, 21:08#27

They do the same thing….but, hell , Wiese is more exciting than Dud.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 21:37
#28
02 Jan 2023, 21:37#28
I’d love you to point out all these test 12’s out there that are consistently beating defenders and creating havoc out there
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
02 Jan 2023, 22:01
#29
02 Jan 2023, 22:01#29

I have ever seen Damian dominate any opponent physically. He is a poor man's Jorie Muller. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jan 2023, 22:33
#30
02 Jan 2023, 22:33#30

Now lets get back to Morne Steyn.   He was the ideal flyhalf  in terms of Mozart's idea  about flyhalf play - according to Mozart 90% of the requirements expected from a flyhalf is kicking of balls.    He was totally useless at attacking the gain line and setting up backlines to attack in games - he was the genesis of dead backline play.   So what ws Morne actually like when he played rugby.   His kicking was inaccurate and often used as a launchpad for counterattacking by opposition teams.    His defense was poor and he held the record of missing 8 out of 15 tackle attempts misses.   He was also the clueless flyhalf boo-ed by the spectators in a test in Port Elizabeth.    What else can I add.   He was dropped from the Springbok team on ce in 2012 and twice in 2014 due to gross incompetence on his part.   He suffered the same fate once in 2014 after contributing to a loss in Perth.  

After that disaster he was contracted by Stade Francais and soon afterwards became the bench-player of the club.   He wqs in the Springbok squad in the 2015 WC and played from the bench for a total of about 31 minutes in the series.    His next appearance for the Springboks were when Coetzee was coach and the result was two record losses  against the AB's..   His history for the Springboks was from a rugby perspective a disaster.        

      

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jan 2023, 22:35
#31
02 Jan 2023, 22:35#31

l'Grande Merde

De Allende dominated Frans Steyn totally when the latter landed on his arse twice trying to tackle him.    

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jan 2023, 22:35
#32
02 Jan 2023, 22:35#32

Duplicate

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jan 2023, 22:35
#33
02 Jan 2023, 22:35#33

D uplicaqte

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 22:41
#34
02 Jan 2023, 22:41#34
That kind of sums up how utterly ignorant the Doos is de Allende is clearly not everyone’s cup of tea on here because quite frankly they don’t get it but one thing everyone would have to agree on is that de Allende is a physical freak and the one thing that is very apparent watching him is that he gets the better of opposing backs in any physical exchange But of course the utterly idiotic Doos does not see that
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
02 Jan 2023, 22:42
#35
02 Jan 2023, 22:42#35

Each two tackles on the other. Frans grabbed Damian and stopped him each time, in the last tackle, Frans threw him to the ground. Damian tried to hold Frans up twice, once holding him feebly until support arrived, the other Frans just dragged him backwards. I still have the time stamps for the encounter. As for attack, Frans was the  better of the two by far. It was interesting to note Frans' expert defence on the short side, where he managed his spacing to thwart several attacks despite being outnumbered. Damian doesn't have the gray matter, composure, strength or skill to do that. Damian is a very weak man with no skill or ability. Only in South Africa can someone so mediocre have such a lucrative career. He has never ever earned a solitary test, and has never had one good test. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Jan 2023, 22:45
#36
02 Jan 2023, 22:45#36
Steyn beat the Lions twice, won the Trinations and won Super Rugby title 3 times. Has any other Bok come close, I guess Matfield beat the Lions once and won the other two.
So if Steyn is as poor as Corn Pone Mike and Dave insist, I guess that proves flyhalf is an irrelevant position in rugby.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
02 Jan 2023, 23:01
#37
02 Jan 2023, 23:01#37

Were it not for Frans, we lose the 2021 encounter with New Zealand and we lost to Wales. We seem to ride these fine lines under Erasmus, where a less favoured player makes a key contribution to change the entire complexion of the season. Frans also saved Damian's blushes in the WC final with two key tackles, as Damian predictably folded deep in our territory for a very threatening shot at our try line. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jan 2023, 23:11
#38
02 Jan 2023, 23:11#38

l\Grande Merde

So  Frans Steyn stopped him by landing on his arse on the ground - massive achievement.   Morne  Steyn was a shit player proved throughout his career - if he was any good why was he the Stade Francais bench player? 

Hansen summed up Morne perfectly - "We know what to expect from Morne Srteyn - we do not know what to expect from Pollard".    Everyone know what to expect from Morne Steyn - that made him a disaster at flyhalf.                   

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 23:18
#39
02 Jan 2023, 23:18#39
Frans Steyn playing for the Boks these days is one of the biggest insults in rugby His last performance starting at 10 for the Boks was an embarrassment This is sad to see because Frans 5 years ago and long prior to that, was a class act and his latest exploits for the Boks has completely blighted his credentials as a great Bok, much like Matfield’s reappearance for the Boks I’d have to say that bringing Frans back has been Rassie’s biggest fuck up, that along with the investment in Mostert, the selection of Orie and the non investment in the du Preez twins Comparing the current Frans with the current de Allende is the height of a rugby insult
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
02 Jan 2023, 23:21
#40
02 Jan 2023, 23:21#40

Frans is still better than Willemse, Damian and a host of others. Talent is better than youth without talent. That said, time is running out for Damian to prove himself! Willemse is going down the same path. 

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