More unusual weather. This is Durban South Coast near the Bluff.
I never saw Durban like this before.
The UK recorded its warmest week in February (Midwinter) at 25 degrees.
The average temperature at this time of the year is 7 degrees.
There is nothing in recorded history anything close to 25 degrees in February.
With regards to the data, I only know what is published. (And even that varies from source to source).
This is a graph from NASA. It seems to suggest there has been a major increase in C02 over the last 70 years in particular.
https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/
Ancient air bubbles trapped in ice enable us to step back in time and see what Earth's atmosphere, and climate, were like in the distant past. They tell us that levels of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere are higher than they have been at any time in the past 400,000 years. During ice ages, CO2 levels were around 200 parts per million (ppm), and during the warmer interglacial periods, they hovered around 280 ppm (see fluctuations in the graph). In 2013, CO2levels surpassed 400 ppm for the first time in recorded history. This recent relentless rise in CO2shows a remarkably constant relationship with fossil-fuel burning, and can be well accounted for based on the simple premise that about 60 percent of fossil-fuel emissions stay in the air.
Today, we stand on the threshold of a new geologic era, which some term the "Anthropocene", one where the climate is very different to the one our ancestors knew.
If fossil-fuel burning continues at a business-as-usual rate, such that humanity exhausts the reserves over the next few centuries, CO2 will continue to rise to levels of order of 1500 ppm. The atmosphere would then not return to pre-industrial levels even tens of thousands of years into the future. This graph not only conveys the scientific measurements, but it also underscores the fact that humans have a great capacity to change the climate and planet.
You can also find this graphic on our “Evidence” page. (This page has extensive details on what NASA believe is 95% certain)
CreditData: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Some description adapted from the Scripps CO2 Program website, "Keeling Curve Lessons."
This is the met office.
@Shark
That chart is in PPM(parts per million).
200PPM to 700PPM in terms of percentage is one half of one tenth of a percent. 10 000PPM = 1%
Humans and livestock exhale CO2. Considering the massive increase in population since the fifties as well as deforestation, the increase has been pretty tiny.
There was a period about 12 thousand years ago when the world's climate increased by 10 degrees in two years.
The fact is that the slate does get wiped clean every so often. We're in a race against time. All the hippies and their BS ain't gonna help the human genome survive. Industry, driven by competition in a capitalist environment, will.
By now its very clear that man made global warming is yet another Globalist drivin hoax.aimed at the West. Of course the biggest polluters are India and China but they get a PASS!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Globalists want a world without borders under a one world government they control. To achieve this they have to destroy nation states and nationalism. So they want mass migrations to mix up the populations of all nations. They also need to get to a point where there is less income differentials between countries. The Climate Change taxes are simply the first global taxes and are there to effect wealth redistribution. They are also a weapon used selectively against Europe and America with full compliance by the globalist establishment - yes these same people who oversaw the destruction of one third of the USA manufacturing base and shipped jobs overseas to China and Mexico etc as fast as they could.
The USA is crucial to the Globalists achieving their one world government so fo some 50 plus years they have been working to bring down this great nation. Likewise they a have been busy in Europe trying to destroy the individual nation states.
Anybody thinking that the 21 trillion US debt happened by chance must be a raving lunatic. Just take oil for example. The USA today under Trump is energy independent and produce oil in a far cleaner fashion that the ME or Russia. Why the heck has the US been buying ol from Russia and middle eastern countries that often hate America. Why was there all this leftwing globalist pressure against using America's vast oil reserves???
So the Big Question is why are the Globalists perpetuating the man made climate change hoax.
Another great one. America has aborted some 63 million babies since 1970. So they are killing their own children and importing third world migrants and muslims at huge cost. They know a country without borders is no country at all. Hillary Clinton wanted open hemispheric borders that would allow 660 million people the right to march into America. The UN Migration charter says migration is a human right! Thankfully so many countries have opted out. They don't want the globalist UN controlling either their borders or their laws via the ICC.
There are numerous examples of how deliberate steps have been taken to destroy America - think also of the marxist/globalist indoctrination in so many American schools where kids ate taught to hate the constitution , the flag and their country. Or how about the moral slide re LGBT and now pedophilia. The pushing of disastrous socialism, vast overregulation to strangle the economy, No desire to stop drugs pouring in, sanctuary cities. The desire to shut down anybody not towing the marxist/ globalist line.
Man made climate change is just one tool in the Globalist box to destroy Western Civilization. As George Soros said - the NWO cannot be established until Western Civilization is destroyed (Hence also their hatred for Jews and Christians). Hence globalist /marxist Bernie Sanders saying Israel is a racist state. Hence also George Soros saying the USA is the biggest impediment to the establishment of the NWO.
Soros has now by the way been linked to the initiation of the Russian collusion hoax!
The great news is that the Globalist agenda is now unmasked and in full view and hence the huge fightback underway. Apparently Farage will get 70% of the Conservative membership vote. He is also going after the 5 million labour party people who voted leave.
I tend to believe the points that Moz and Plum make.
Shark, we all as decent people are against anything that pollutes and contaminates our world, at least I hope so but I sincerely believe that this issue has a hidden agenda and blown out of proportion and is indeed a red herring.
There are far more important issues in the world at stake and this a proverbial classic of straining at gnats whilst swallowing camels.
There are hidden agendas behind these alarmists.
Agree Moz
Go nuclear and spend some of the saved money on a SpaceX contract to shoot the waste into space.
Nuclear provides the ability to micromanage all its waste. That's huge, if you wanna " save" the planet.
...and Iran can stay on diesel
Look, it's so obviously a new way of BSing people into just another tax. Much worse things than carbon are released into the atmosphere and the environment, but we are constantly warned about carbon? What about the more dangerous chemicals and heavy metals? Mum...tjoepstil ....carbon, carbon, carbon...and BS...literally BS and HS causes global warming too. What about the pig and chiecken sh!t?
The real problem is people ...half the population and the problem is solved...politicians are pussyfooting around the real issues...we are too many!
Plum, nuclear seems to be the way to go, but given Escom's and the ANC government's track record, I feel a bit uncomfortable with Koeberg less than 30km's from my stoep....
I f the Japs could fck up the Pacific with Fukushima, what might the Guptas/Watsons do to the Atlantic?
So what is the politics about. Why in your opinion has this hoax been perpetrated?
Unless you explain that you miss the elephant in the room.
Seb seems to have a glimmer.
This discussion is like talking about terrorism and not wanting to mention jihad.
It is a farce and red-herring.
There are far more critical issues at hand than CO2 ommissions...this is typical, right in front of our noses we have this in SA where people throw garbage on the ground, in rivers, in the sea etc.
We live in a pig styre in SA...go to Singapore and you get fined if you drop a sweet paper , cigarette butt etc, etc.
This is recent in Durbs after the rain and we are making mountains out of mole hills...human beings never get their priorities right...this country in particular, this is caused by hidden political indifferences to real issues at hand...fools
The harbour in Durban is clogged up with plastic bottles, bags etc
And the once beautiful beaches, look like this. Fancy a swim or go surfing?
It is a shame...it's intolerable.
Johnny Clegg;
The Scatterings of Africa...LOL.
One simple bit of legislation could make a sizeable change.
All plastic must be biodegradable.
It'd help our economy hugely as well since hemp is one the best materials to use in that regard.
The problem...government and it's corporate backers keep washing each other's hands.
Yeah Plum...litterers should be spot fined and incarcerated if they don't pay up. R200 for dropping a stompie and R1000 for bottles and plastic bags and a lot more for garbage dumpers.
I see buses of school children going to nature reserves throwing sweet papers, bottles and bags on the the ground and out the windows and the school teachers doing absolutely nothing.
One wonders if the mentors are so indifferent what becomes of these kids when they grow up.
This situation is critical.
I was in a meeting many years ago, when the discussion was brought up about blacks in particular dropping rubbish all over the place and how they never ever using the dustbins in the streets that were provided
The one black guy in the meeting kept quiet for a long time, and finally responded that the black people did this deliberately..... to ensure that more jobs are created for other non educated poor black people to get employed to pick up all the rubbish...…….
The idea of fining the litterers is always a great idea, but we can't even stop or fine our taxi's properly for not being road worthy, or licensed, or when they are heavily over loaded..... a recent article showed 60 kids getting out of a taxi....and it continues
Also, most of our traffic officials are just too shit scared to even stop most taxis in the first place, due to retaliation
"The idea of fining the litterers is always a great idea, but we can't even stop or fine our taxi's properly for not being road worthy, or licensed, or when they are heavily over loaded..... a recent article showed 60 kids getting out of a taxi....and it continues"
Another shyte idea of the modern society. They believe that more laws and bigger fines are the answers to everything. They do not care to address the core issue. The moral decay of the modern society. I have said on another thread - I cannot remember if it was the one about guns or the one about the mosque attack in NZ - that the main problem is the fucked up society that we live in.
If he modern day nanny states cannot even enforce the existin hazes of laws, HTF do they want to enforce the plethora of new laws that they want to introduce on a daily basis?
...and we have the audacity to promote tourism in this filthy polluted land that once was pristine..
Just imagine sailing on a yacht around the world and calling into Durban Yacht basin and seeing this...imagine it...you would turn your yacht around and never come back.
So again why the man made global warming hoax. That obviously is a vital question but crickets from the oaks.
Hahahaha. And then there was this:
Seriously ... you guys think this is a hoax?
Wow!!
I'm no expert but I do have eyes and from what I can see, something is very wrong here.
Cities flooding .., Tornadoes in places that never suffered from these kind of things before ... devastating droughts across the globe ... out of control fires ... snowstorms in the heart of summer ... increased temperatures across the globe ... massive chunks of ice breaking off at the Poles and falling into the ocean ... the list goes on and on ... and you lot think this is just another day at the office?
The cyclic and unpredictable nature of the climate is no hoax. The hoax lies in the effect humans have in the whole thing and CO2 emissions in particular. What can be done to prevent it and who should pay for it.
Look at the graph. We are close to or at the peak of the hot cycle. If the past million years are anything to go by, we are in for a gradual but steady drop in temperature for the next 50 000 to 75 000 years. We better hope humanity can forestall the cooling a bit, because such a drastically colder planet won't be able to sustain the current population of earth.
I am not anti environment, I am against an obvious lie being perpetuated in the name of science. We have much bigger issues facing humanity than CO2. Very little is done to protect our oceans and rivers. We are slowly poisoning our planet and the whole world is focusing all their resources on curbing CO2 emissions? A gas vital for plant growth? It makes no sense...
Ceradyne ... burning holes in our ozone layer? Who or what would you say is responsible for that?
Has it happened before ... naturally? Has the harshness of the Sun not increased since it's demise?
Would you say that the mass deforestation we've seen over the last 50 ears has by no means contributed to what we see now ... and that it's ok to keep going with this?
How about burning millions of tons of fossil fuels ... like coal. Are you saying that it's had no effect at all. Pumping vast amounts of pollutants into our atmosphere doesn't come at a cost?
Surely not?
CO2 toxic? Well I guess the astronauts of Apollo 13 will not agree with this.
Climate change and pollution need to be separated.
They are not the same thing.
Was watching something about a system that tracks pollution from source to sea. Mostly it comes from rivers. They were saying that a relatively small amount of rivers are responsible for the majority of plastic in the sea. Nice to know that it' a solvable problem, to some degree.
Also saw that 70% of the freshwater on earth is both used and polluted by industrialised farming techniques.
They're saying that aeroponic warehouses are the farms of the future. This is where plant roots grow on a mesh substrate and are periodically sprayed with water/nutrients.
It uses 5% of the amount of water. Vegetative cycles can also be controlled through the manipulation of light cycles. Ultimately, more harvest more quickly.
These farming systems run entirely(low water movement cost and light spectrum manipulation) off of solar power and also provide microgeneration to the grid.
Ultimately a safer way to farm, easier to insure, more reliable from a consumer standpoint and requires much less land. Pesticide use is almost entirely unnecessary too.
Every 10m of building height gives you 30 x the growing surface that land would...for most vegetables.
Nice to know that there are answers which are not just dreams but have been tested and are making their way to market.
Guess what, no dreadlocked white commie came up with any of these solutions.
Influence of CO2 on temperature:
For temperature to rize by 1.5 deg Celsius the CO2 level must double. There is thus only a logarithmic correlation between temp and CO2 level.
Man most definitely has an impact on the environment that we live in and experience today
Man most certainly contributes towards the degradation and destruction of our planet, that is a no brainer
When this planet finally goes tits up, it won't be mother nature which caused it, it will be man.
Mother nature might have eventually also have done it, but it would have taken a few million years longer..... man is just speeding up the "natural" process
Man is most definitely contributing to varying weather anomalies..... that is a fact
Man is most definitely contributing to more violent weather activities that we are witnessing
We are our own worst enemy
"Man is most definitely contributing to varying weather anomalies..... that is a fact. (Obviously we are one of the variables, but how can the extent be known?)
Man is most definitely contributing to more violent weather activities that we are witnessing (Agreed, but how much, and how much can be reversed without drastically reducing Earths population. The notion that simply stopping the use fossil fuels and stopping the large scale production of meat will somehow make things better is BS. We must obviously start looking out for the environment, but moving deck chairs on the Titanic isn't going to cut it and selling things like the Paris Accord as mankind's only hope at salvation will lead nowhere either. )
These extreme weather phenomena would be consistent with the swing in the pattern...similar to the change from Winter to Summer. I think human involvement is over stated and part of the scare tactics. Go look at who is funding these people. We are being lied to so much, it's difficult to discern the actual truth in between the web of lies.
We are our own worst enemy (Yes, we are like a cancer on this Earth.)
"I think human involvement is over stated and part of the scare tactics. Go look at who is funding these people. We are being lied to so much, it's difficult to discern the actual truth in between the web of lies."
I actually think that human involvement is very understated, but yes, I fully agree that it is also scare mongering from some people for financial reasons..... there is.... in every issue like this.
Our human contributions towards.. a once.... partially polluted atmosphere, must have significant consequences...…. and by our contributions, I mean completely man made..... not animal, or other species, that have been around for millions of years..... I am talking strictly about man made contributions...
Massive human reproduction
Burning fossil fuels
Carbon dioxide from humans
Aerosols
CFC's, thankfully on the decline
Deforestation
Pollution
Plastic - Plastic - Plastic
Overfishing
Potent methane gas from millions of landfills
Just worldwide cement production alone is causing exponential damage to our environment.... and it continues and increases every day, every year
I have no single doubt in my mind, that humans are a massive contributor to our changing weather systems, differing climates......etc etc.....but only to a certain degree, one cannot conclusively prove to what extent......
To deny human involvement is quite silly in my opinion.
A lot of people still believe that the ozone hole...... is a hole...….. which is just getting bigger, therefore worse...….it isn't a hole at all
Massive human reproduction
Burning fossil fuels
Carbon dioxide from humans (Ad methane and SO2 from our sewer waste...massive!)
Aerosols (Wasn't it made greener?)
CFC's, thankfully on the decline
Deforestation
Pollution
Plastic - Plastic - Plastic (and then some)
Overfishing
Potent methane gas from millions of landfills (Yes, and sewer waste)
Just worldwide cement production alone is causing exponential damage to our environment.... and it continues and increases every day, every year
I have no single doubt in my mind, that humans are a massive contributor to our changing weather systems, differing climates......etc etc.....but only to a certain degree, one cannot conclusively prove to what extent......(The climate will change drastically regardless of how humans act, but that's no reason to make a shithole of our planet. We need to adapt to already challenging weather patterns and shouldn't make things even worse.)
To deny human involvement is quite silly in my opinion. (Agreed, my gripe is with the solutions presented and the action needed to improve things)
A lot of people still believe that the ozone hole...... is a hole...….. which is just getting bigger, therefore worse...….it isn't a hole at all
Yeah, agreed Db
The CFC's were certainly made greener, but as with everything environmental, I do not expect everyone to adhere to the newer, cleaner, product manufacturing.... but most probably do
Just one simple example
The more hotter it gets (by any means at all, not just man made). the more water evaporates into the atmosphere, which in turn creates more violent and unpredictable weather patterns like storms, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes etc etc, so yeah, I am a big believer that man contributes to his own environmental and weather problems, but not everything...…. and mother nature is enough of a bitch already to give us enough on her own that we have to deal with, so why add to it