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Jobs with High Exposure to people have the highest Covid-19 Death Rate

Started by sharkbok6 REPLIES260 VIEWS· 12 May 2020, 14:10
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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
12 May 2020, 14:10
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12 May 2020, 14:10#1

Some statistics have been published in the UK that shows people with the highest exposure to other people, and therefore the Coronavirus has the highest death rate:


  1. Nurses & Doctors
  2. Carehome workers
  3. Bus Drivers
  4. Taxi Drivers
  5. Many menial low skilled jobs like shop attendants, security guards etc.

While this can be expected, what is most significant is that the death rate is also high with people of all ages. So it seems excessive exposure to the Coronavirus is dangerous to people of all ages. Why this is the case, it is not clear. Perhaps being exposed to more than one strain of the virus, or being infected more than once just makes it worse. 
The UK government has just announced that people who cannot work from home should return to work. This means that if their employer insists they should return, the employer can be fired if they do not show up. It is reasonable given that the economy needs to get started again. However, it does mean these people are going to be most at risk, even the younger ones. 
The UK has until November to build some herd immunity before the next flu virus is around , assuming the R rate does not go back over 1. If it goes back over one, the lockdown will become more restrictive again. It was level 4 (out of 5) for the past 7 weeks- and is currently reduced to level 3 - which itself has three phases over the next 4 weeks. 
The antibody test will be essential when it comes to November at the start of the next flu season. The Bill Gates ID concept will be able to prove who is now immune- and it should be made mandatory at that stage. That will give an idea of how much immunity the herd has built up by then. 
For the moment, getting the economy going is essential. Although people with customer-facing jobs are going to be most at risk. 

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
12 May 2020, 15:53
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12 May 2020, 15:53#2

There is no way that they'll return to a full lockdown. It was stupid to begin with.

The new way of living on this planet is wearing a mask while out and about.

This virus is now a part of our lives.

We have to live around it as best we can. There is no other way.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 May 2020, 16:26
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12 May 2020, 16:26#3

It would appear that viral ‘load’ is significant....not just exposure/non exposure. That and low vitamin D could explain the dramatic outbreaks in Italy, Spain, the UK and NY.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
12 May 2020, 17:14
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12 May 2020, 17:14#4

“ Some statistics have been published in the UK that shows people with the highest exposure to other people, and therefore the Coronavirus has the highest death rate:


  1. Nurses & Doctors
  2. Carehome workers
  3. Bus Drivers
  4. Taxi Drivers
  5. Many menial low skilled jobs like shop attendants, security guards etc.

While this can be expected, what is most significant is that the death rate is also high with people of all ages. 

So it seems excessive exposure to the Coronavirus is dangerous to people of all ages. Why this is the case, it is not clear. Perhaps being exposed to more than one strain of the virus, or being infected more than once just makes it worse.   “

What are the chances of the same kind of research into common flu yielding a different outcome?

My guess is that if you do the same kind of deep dive into common flu, you could write the exact same piece and just substitute the word “coronavirus” with the word “flu”. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
12 May 2020, 17:46
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12 May 2020, 17:46#5
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What are the chances of the same kind of research into common flu yielding a different outcome?

My guess is that if you do the same kind of deep dive into common flu, you could write the exact same piece and just substitute the word “coronavirus” with the word “flu”. 

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Well Ceradyne, my recommendation is not to make assumptions without checking scientific data that is available. 
Based on research published: 1. Coronavirus is certainly more deadly with viral "load"2. Flue appears is worse in some cases, but not all of the time, or to the same degree. 
If you do not want to follow a scientific approach - then just do not think at all, and let scientists do this for you- and follow recommendations 100%. 
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27893998

Influenza and rhinovirus viral load and disease severity in upper respiratory tract infections.Granados A1, Peci A2, McGeer A3, Gubbay JB4.

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Abstract

BACKGROUND:

The role of viral load in respiratory viral infection is unclear. It is proposed that the viral load of some, but not all respiratory viruses correlate with disease severity.

OBJECTIVES:

We aimed to determine if an association exists between viral loads among patients in ambulatory settings, compared to those requiring hospitalization/intensive care unit (ICU) admission with influenza A/H3N2, influenza B, or human rhinovirus (HRV); we also explored the impact of age, gender and co-detection of Streptococcus pneumoniae on patient setting. We hypothesized that hospitalized/ICU patients have higher respiratory virus viral loads compared to ambulatory (e.g. walk-in clinics, family practices)/ER patients.


STUDY DESIGN:

We quantified viral load by in-house real-time RT-PCR in 774 nasopharyngeal swabs with influenza A/H3N2, or B or HRV viruses from various patient settings in Ontario, Canada.


RESULTS:

Mean viral load (log10 copies/ml) of influenza A/H3N2 (6.94) was higher than influenza B (4.96) and HRV (5.58) (p<0.0001). Influenza A/H3N2 viral loads were highest in infants and the elderly; however, increased A/H3N2 viral loads were not associated with hospitalization/ICU admission compared to swabs collected in ambulatory/ER settings. Influenza B viral loads were higher in patients in hospital/ICU settings compared to those in ambulatory settings (OR 1.28, 95% CI 1.11-1.47). HRV viral loads did not differ by age (p=0.67) or setting (p=0.54); there was no association between S. pneumoniae colonization and setting for any virus.


CONCLUSION:

When compared to ambulatory/ER patients, viral load was higher in hospitalized/ICU patients with influenza B, but not influenza A or HRV.

Copyright © 2016 Elsevier B.V. All rights reserved.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
12 May 2020, 17:59
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12 May 2020, 17:59#6

And there he goes. Off on another tantrum. 

And I have not even contradicted your assertions. I could have suggested that you show us a statistical comparison that debunks my guesswork but.... whatever. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 May 2020, 18:35
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12 May 2020, 18:35#7

So absurd when a bonehead like sharkjackass spends time trying to comment on things he is clueless about!

The clown still doesn't know that its only older people and those with chronic morbidities who are at any real risk needing much consideration.. For the rest the death rate i s well below the flu rate.

For this the idiot wants economies shut down so millions could perish and eugenicist Gates succeeds in getting his dream of a world population of 500 million. The :"fool" doesn't even realize he could be a victim of an economic collapse.

The stupidity of ou sharkjackass is about as bad as rooitwit!!!!!

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