All people on board died in the crash, The plane took off and then exploded a short while later according to rumour. A real tragedy and the relatives of the people on board deserves sympathy,
Two things are certain - namely that the USA is to be blamed for the crash either by blasting the plane out of the sky by rocket or by getting a suicide bomber on board. In such an event the Democratic Party will accept the Iran v ersion and will scream blue murder.
"Two th ings are certain - namely that the USA is to be blamed for the crash either by blasting the plane out of the sky by rocket or by getting a suicide bomber on board"
You are kidding right?
So now the US has suicide bombers? Utter BS.
Comrade Mike ... delusional as ever ...
No one is blaming America or Iran, initial reports is that its just an unfortunate accident.
Give the rumors and conspiracy theories a rest.
I was just pulling leg in this case anyway. Sympathy to all the relatives of the people who lst their lives.
Anyway - The Democratic Party are desperately searching for any think they can use against Trump and their silliness could even come to that kind of thing,
Irrespective of what went wrong it is a tragedy.
Some UK citizens I heard were on board plus a few others who were folks not Iranian.
It's a remarkable coincidence.
A reporter has claimed that Iranian officials have refused to forward the flight recorder (Black Box) to Boeing for decoding.
If that is true then what actually caused the crash would be my question.
That is unusual, to say the least.
Stav,
Lots of mixed reports- some say it looks like it was terrorism,
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10698862/iran-plane-shot-down-crash-projectile-holes-experts/
while others are saying it is not.
One can never be sure what happens in a case like this one in a dictatorship like Iran. The country is in turmoil after recent anti-Government riots on which approximately 1 500 people got killed, They warned the American Government they are launching missiles aimed at American bases in Iraq and nobody was killed in the attack,
Somebody inside the Iran Government possibly warned he USA about Solemaini's whereabouts making him a n easy target. The latter was in charge of the recent oppression of the rioters and a lot of people would have wanted him dead.
Who knows what happened to that plane?
This was a very new aircraft, that has just been serviced. It's not a 737 Max, but the earlier version which is one of the safest planes that has ever flown. It had 3 rather than the usual 2 pilots on Board, all of whom were familiar with the airport and very experienced.
There was no weather involved. So there was nothing to suggest any risk, other than the war footing in the region.
I have just listened to an interview with a sober, experienced air crash investigator. His view is the very wide debris field, the fireball video, and the lack of communication is more indicative of an explosion.....not engine failure or even an engine fire.
And that the calls made of engine failure, within minutes of the crash, were made before even the most experienced investigator could have formed a preliminary hypothesis.
Two circumstances would be consistent with this.....a device planted on the plane....or a mistaken missile launch. This happened right in the window when retaliation for the Iranian attack might have been expected.
I hope for the sake of the families that we get an honest answer.
Not accusing the Iranians of shooting down the aircraft but it would not be the first time they have eliminated or sacrificed their own people to create favor with the regime supporters and falsely accuse others of the evil deeds.
All opposition to the present regime is suppressed in a brutal manner including acts of murder as witnessed against the Bahia people.
They are not the saviors of the people of Iran in any shape or form.
Sadly.
Stav
The problem is that the plane was approaching an area where there is one of their nuclear power research facilities and the guards at te facility may have panicked and fired a missile when the plane approached the plant thinking that it may be a US Army plane.It's all too coincidental. A plane being shot down in Tehran in between the time that Iran threatened retaliation and it actually happening?
I hate to say this but I agree with ou Maaik. I reckon the Iranians picked up a plane on their radar that was flying towards a sensitive area and shot it down thinking it was a US military aircraft.
Well I would entirely rule out the Iranian's accidentally shooting it down but I can't imagine it was a deliberate act. If its an attempt to set up the American's no one will believe the idea the America blew up a civilian airliner .
If it was a case the Iranians shot it down I could see the Iranians attempting to cover it up given the current situation, it does seem strange no distress message was sent and that flight data recordings are reported to have stopped mid air. Doesn't indicate your typical mechanical failure with aircraft.
Its early days yet, I wouldn't rush to any conclusions just yet though.
"Well I would entirely rule out the Iranian's accidentally shooting it down but I can't imagine it was a deliberate act. "
Well, not in this instance, but it's not like these kind of terror is beyond them, but they would not have liked their attack on the US bases be overshadowed by something like this...probably hit the plane by accident with one of the missiles intended for the Yanks....they're not good at war...a terrorist attack is more their thing.
100% it was Iran.
Rooi, I doubt they would mistake a plane that has just taken off from within their own country for a threat. Perhaps radar equipment malfunction and resultant panic?
Iran did it but they know Trump can't retaliate without enough evidence.
And it's extremely weird that it was a Ukranian plan.
World War 1 was started by the Black Hand.
Will World War 3 be started by a black box?
There were 63 Canadians on board if the flight and Trudeau made a statement that the plane was brought down by a Iranian missile.
Two possibilities -
* it was a mistake made by the Troops of Iran; or
* there was somebody on Board they want dead desperately,
Unless the passenger list is scrutinized and analyzed carefully nobody would really know about the latter one
Third choice, Mike
A cheap shot against a plane carrying westerners.
For whatever reason the Americans did the same, the Russians were more brutal in that they had no hesitation in shooting down a passenger plane with one of their fighter planes and the passenger plane flying over Ukraine was deliberately shot down as well.
What a murderous act by the Iranians. From all accounts they fired a missile bought from Russia.
Congrats to the Trump Administration for taking out the world's number 1 terrorist.
Now we have demonrats defending the monster. How they are continually being unmasked. More and more people are understanding the demonrats are now in alliance with Islam.
Let's see how that works out in November.
Anybody thinking this all is a prelude to WW3 is a mong of note. How gullible and rediculous can you get. Hahahahaha one has to laugh at such rampant foolishness.
Beeno
Now Representative Speier if the DP said Trump is to blame for the Iranians shooting down a passenger plane with a Russian missile. Hard to believe she is not crazy - or maybe she is a drinking partner of Nancy Pelosi and not able to keep up with her. ,
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'Disastrous mistake': Iran admits it shot down Ukrainian planeGovernment statement blames 'human error' for the incident that left 176 people killed, including many Iranian citizens."
I read the Iranian statement and it is an exact duplicate as to what Elizabeth Warden said about the incident. Is she a traitor or just 100% idiotic suffering from TDS ?
It's time for these rogue nations to shed their barbarous ideologies. How unlikely is it that Korea could 'mistake' a Nuclear strike and send retaliatory missiles at innocent targets ....not unlikely enough!
Iran has been a major source of death and mayhem since 1980.....aided and abetted by the Europeans. They bear part of this shame. As does Russia and China who conducted exercises with these thugs just a few weeks ago.
It has begun...
Hard to understand why the airport was not closed during this period.
After launching their missiles the Iranians must have believed that the US would strike back with aircraft and missiles and yet they kept the airport open to incoming and departing flights.......difficult to understand the logic behind this.
One explanation and probably the correct one is that the Iranians planned this "accident" with the expectation that the US would strike back and by them downing this aircraft they could lay the blame on the US for the action and get their supporters and others to side with them.
It sure has worked in the Demorats ranks.
Another explanation was posted by DbDraad at 21:14.
The last option is that the folks manning the launch of this missile are not only incompetent but were, in fact, ignorant of the airport still being operational.
Innocent folks were murdered by a Terrorist Organization and all concerned should be held to account for their actions.
Unfortunately, US Senators and Demorats are still accusing President Trump of this even after the Irian's admitted that they were responsible for bringing the aircraft down.
What a shocking mess the USA Congress has turned out to be.
Once again President Trump has shown his skills at being patient and leaving the Demorats enough time and rope to hang themselves after spewing their hatred and jumping to conclusions.
What a great leader of the country and Military Commander he has turned out to be.
Time to "DRAIN the SWAMP" permanently.
AJH
How is the death of the Canadians on the plane dealt with by the media and that minority Government of Trudeau?
The one aspect that still baffles me and that is how come the Iranians would panic fearing an attack by the USA after informing the USA of the rockets before the attack on the USA camps in Iraq? The fact is that they were aware that unless some US soldiers were killed there would not be ay counter-measures taken by the USA
There seems to be some major info leakers on high level in Iran who passed on info either directly or indirectly to the USA Government, For instance there was a telephone call about the arrival of Soleimani in Baghdad 20 minutes before he met his desired fate,
I think the massive riots in Iran had an impact on major elements of the Iranian Government to bring down the Ayatollah and his cronies and the more reactionary elements in their regime. I think that the leakers are not ready to act against the Ayatollah - so other measures to weaken them for the final take-over would cause more misery leading to even more and bigger riots which would help in the process,
I have a feeling - but may be wrong - that there is evidence of collaboration between elements in the Iran Government and the USA in this case.. Lets wait and see how things develop over the next six months or so, It should be clear by September this year,
The one aspect that still baffles me and that is how come the Iranians would panic fearing an attack by the USA after informing the USA of the rockets before the attack on the USA camps in Iraq? The fact is that they were aware that unless some US soldiers were
There seems to be some major info leakers on high level in Iran who passed on info either directly or indirectly to the USA Government, For instance there was a telephone call about the arrival of Solomaini in Baghdad 20 minutes before he met his desired fate,
I think the massive riots in Iran had an impact on major elements of the Iranian Government to bring down the Ayatollah and his cronies and the more reactionary elements in their regime. I think that the leakers are not ready to act against the Ayatollah = so other measures to weaken them for the final take-over would cause more misery leading to even more and bigger riots which would help in the process,
I have a feeling - but may be wrong - that there is evidence of collaboration between elements in the Iran Government and the USA in this case.. Lets wait and see how things develop over the next six months or so, It should be clear by September this year,
I have just seen reports that riots has broken out all over Iran about the downing of the plane and this time the all o ut attack is on the Ayatollah and they are celebrating the death of Soleimani as well. I think it will get worse over the next few weeks and months for the ruling clique in Iran,
The following comments by a chap using the name Ismael is on a US website:-
"Death of Neda Agha-Soltan. 20 June 2009) drew worldwide attention after she was shot dead during the 2009 Iranian election protests.
Iranian Protesters had The Government of Iran on The ropes as long ago as 2008.
Then Obama stepped in and gave them Billions of Dollars to prop up their oppressive government and that stuck a finger in the eyes of all those that had suffered under that government.
The Iranian Students have been protesting and dying as a direct result of Obama's relief fund to Iran.
Dec 6, 2019 - More than a thousand Iranian citizens may have been killed in recent protests, according to the U.S. special representative.
Liberals would have you believe they are "The Educated Party".
So why did they turn their backs on The Students in Iran and give up money that Iran actually owed to a number Law Suits in the U.K.
Obama choose to appease The Iranian Government and over Look The Humanitarian Crisis faced by The "EDUCATED" in Iran."
This is obviously written by a person with real information about the Obama BS in helping the religious clique running and destroying the people of Iran, Waking up of the clique on this site who preaches otherwise is obviously necessary. Appeasing the Mullahs by bribing them never changed their conduct and the real development of nuclear bombs were never inspected - some inspections of sites where near to zero in the field was done while the real work was done was designated as army camps where no inspections were allowed. The veil was somewhat lifted by the downing of the plane, Initial reports were that the rocket was fired since the plane was approaching a nuclear research facility protected by the army - the latest one was it was the plane nearing an army camp. that caused it being attacked,
...And nobody finds it strange that some random person was filming that plane strike on their phone.
The fact is the Ayatollah is in power because of the Revolutionary Guard. Soleimani was affectively in charge and the Guard oppressed the people through cruelty and murder. Soleimani was replaced by Salami and he is likely to be as bad as Soleimani was.
It is clear that the US is eyeing the leaders of the guard and they already tried to take one of them out in Yemen, I believe cutting off the head of the snake will help the people of Iran in getting rid of the dictatorship. And the tip-off about their whereabouts are apparently leaked to the USA constantly, .
The Soleimani killing did not unite the people against the USA and in fact united the people against the Ayatollah regime. Any war initiated by Iran will lead to the fall of he regime within a week, The next attack by Iran where US lives are lost would be followed by elimination of one or more of the regime leaders being killed. The Ayatollah better moved into his bomb shelter permanently,
I disagree.
The time of night, filmed from the street in a residential area, the short amount of time that the rocket was airborne for...
One would be very luck to catch it on camera.