A guilty Felon - Trump Found Guilty

Shark you and Blob are almost as unhinged as HasBeen-ou. What happened did you get smacked at Sunday School?

Hahaha ….that’s why you have to be so very careful not to get sacrificed.

The US will survive another Trump presidency, they've overcome far bigger crises in their history.

My total concern is for Ukraine .................. look at the damage caused by Goppies blocking

the supply of weapons for five months.

BB

The G oppies did it because the US voters are opposed to foreign funding pojects at the expense of the US poor and working class reliefs from their suffering .   The Republicans know the war is an unwinnable one and they support peaceful settlemnt of the issues in Ukraine - which the Democrats  sabotaged.

The Democrats support such wars through borrowing of money - while there is no money available for relieve of he poor,    The US Government is in crisis today and the people are indeed longing for return to nomalcy they encountered under Trump comparaed to the present US crisis situation created by the leftist Biden and the Democrat regime.

The Repulicans know the present weapon supplies to Ukraine will not have any positive effect and will be suspended the moment Trump became president and the situation would be settled through negotiations not neessarily favoring Russia.    Putin knows that Trump is a difficult person to negotiate anything on and in the end US interests would be served and not any other countries interests.

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BB

The G oppies did it because the US voters are opposed o firei gn funding pojects at the expense of the US poor and working class reliefs frm their suffering .   The Republicans know the war is an unwinnable one and they support peaceful settlemnt of th e issues in Ukraine - wh ich the Democrats  sabotaged.

The Democrats support such wars through borrowing of money - while there is no money available for relieve of he poor,    The US Government is in crisis today and the people are indeed longing for return to nomalcy they encountered under Trump comparaed to the present US crisis situation created by the leftist Biden and the Democrat regime.

The Repulicans know the present weapon supplies to Ukraine will not have any positive effect and will be suspended the moment Trump became president and the situation would be settled through negotiations not neessarily favoring Russia.    Putin knows that Trump is a difficult person to negotiate anything on and in the end US interests would be served and not any other countries interests.

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Should be interesting to see how the appeal goes....

What is also interesting is the comparisons that some people are already making regarding Trump and Obama.

The Obama campaign was fined $375 000 in 2008 for failing to report $1 .8 million dollars in campaign contributions and donations, and for accepting contributions that exceeded legal limits during the 2008 presidential run.

They failed to report 1 300 contributions within the required 48 hour period.

The campaign accepted contributions that exceeded the $2 300 per person limit set by federal law.

There were also instances of inaccurate reporting of donations, leading to discrepancies in the campaigns financial records.

I don't know the complete details of both cases but it it's interesting to see how both cases were treated and why it is being brought up as comparison.

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Not sure which one is worse, Kimmel or Fallon ...... then we have our very own Trevor....who changed dramatically once he got the CC promotion.

I honestly didn't watch it, and won't do, sorry blob ...

I just cannot stand Jimmy Kimmel or Jimmy Fallon, and now also our very own Trevor......they have always been fake and pretentious and that is something I would see all the time when they sat and talked with their celebrity guests .... makes me want to puke how they grovel and fake laugh at their guests, especially Fallon ... it's nauseating.

Did you actually hear what Trump said or did  you hear only the vcpments of Fallon  claimed he said.   Stop learning from BS spreading by people like Fallon.    His comments are BS as well as misrepresentations as to what Trump said as well .     

Ja, and what about Donnie's myriad of lies or has he never lied?

What am I missing here?

I just haven't been able to bring myself to watch anything that any of these guys say for many years now, I just genuinely do not find them funny at all, and I think that they treat their audiences like idiots with their stupid attempts at humour.

For every lie of Trump there are 20 actual lies of Biden.   A recent one was that he travelled on the train using  the Baltimore bridge many times - when in fact there were no rail lines on th bridge.   A  famous one was that when in S A he was arrested on the way to Soweto to meet Mandela.   Young - the ex-Secretary of State  who accompanied him on the trip - said it never h appened.   By the way in 1988 Mandela was still in Paarl and not in Soweto.   That one was one he used in the 2020 election.

Bidern claimed he was the top student when he was at University - he was nothing  like that - he just missed the failure rate and was the worst student who got a degree.    

Everytime he opens his mouth about his achievements he lied about it.   That is factual - he was an admirer of Senator Byrne - the ex-KKK leader who bcame a Democrat Senator and even praised Wallace the ultra rightwing Governor of Arkansas - but now he claimed he was involved in the Black enhancement protests in the 1960's under Martin Luther King.   King'\s daughter openly stated that Biden lied on that one as well.

The fact is there are media allegatiosns about Trump lying - but nothing ever proved.    Whenever he differed from them and point out their BS - they claimed e lied about it.   There must have been a thousand  lies they claimed Trump can be accused if during their hysterical campaigns against him.     Thety never admitted that the whole story about collusion with Putin was based on BS stories Clinton and the Demcorats started and was proved as media lies aftrwards - but the media never apologized for spreading lies.   

Watch from 5.00 ....... it'll be painful for you but the sad loser exits left after about 3 hilarious minutes of bollocks .

What you regard as bollocks is not what the average American voter regard as bollocks.

By the qway the Republicans got $70 million from small donors in the USA since the guilty verdict  and another $10 million from big donors to add to what these big donors already provided.

The small donors are from ordinary people sufferingn under the crooked Biden regime. 

SB

If someone appointed Jeffrey Epstein or Charles Manson to be president, there would be new "precedence".      

Sure there would be since both are dead - in life they would be typical Democratic Party candidates.   Yui believe and love the Biden crime family so what is the difference between Epstein, Manson and Biden when it comes to criminality?    Biden is accused of corruption and hundreds of bank documents showed and proved it.    He created a protection racket in the Justice Department to protect him  like they tried in the case of Hunter Biden.   The latter is an admitted drug addict and nobody would do deals with him with Joe Biden approving what the corrupt companies want to happen.    

There was a storm when it came to light  that Joe and Hunter were each  paid $5 million to  ensure the Prosecutor be fired and then the FBI claimed that they cannot provide the name of the informant because it would endanger his life.    The Special Council - Weiss investigating Hunter's activities - had the informant arrested and then conveninetly said he will only go on trial in January 2025  - long after election day - but the chances are he will never go on trial at all - since they lack proof of the allegations he made in a report to the Senate would expsoe Biden's involvenet in corruption.  It is a dangerous time for the Biden crime family and for Joe himself - he will not be sent to jail because he is an old man suffering from dementia and they would place him in an asylum for the insain instead of in jail.   .

They will be joined in jail  by members of the Pelosi and Schiff crime families.

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So, besides the Obama election campaign incident I referred to further up..... where they got caught out, but never got charged with anything at all.....just fined $375 000 for huge financial irregularities during his 2008 presidential campaign, which included funds that were 5 times more than what Trump was involved with ...... we also have Bill Clinton, who had sex in the Oval office, when he was still the sitting president, and then proceeded to lie to all the American people about it on national television and under oath..... by saying that it never happened, and also then separately paying off Paula Jones $850 000, which involves nearly 7 times as much money as Trump paid, to get rid of a sexual harassment claim against him, also, whilst he was still president..... but no charges were put forward.

If people cannot now start seeing the farce that this Trump trial was and still is, then nothing will.

By the way idiotspeakers there is a race horse filly in England called Mrs Trump and  ran in a race yesterday,     I backed that filly to win the race she ran in and she won.   So it prove again - bank on Trump and you can only win.    

So, besides the Obama election campaign incident I referred to further up..... where they got caught out, but never charged with anything at all.....just fined $375 000 for huge financial irregularities during his 2008 presidential campaign......

I find it interesting you brought this up again when you admitted you didn't know the full details of both cases in a previous post.

I don't know the complete details of both cases but it it's interesting to see how both cases were treated and why it is being brought up as comparison.

The differences between the two cases, is that the offense committed by the Obama campaign was unintentional and something they tried to correct in real time, where as Trump's offenses where criminal in nature. You can look up the differences with a quick google search.

 we also have Bill Clinton, who had sex in the Oval office, when he was still the sitting president, and then proceeded to lie to all the American people about it on national television

A politician lying to the public...well I never. Distasteful yes but not a crime. 

and under oath..... by saying that it never happened,

Now this is a crime, but perjury charges are rarely pursued when its a civil case.

and also then separately paying off Paula Jones $850 000 which involves nearly 7 times as much money as Trump paid, to get rid of a sexual harassment claim against him also, whilst he was still president..... but no charges were put forward.

Wasn't a pay off, it was a settlement.  There was no charges put forward against Clinton by Jones because she dropped the lawsuit against him because of the settlement. The details of which are public knowledge.

If people cannot now start seeing the farce that this Trump trial was and still is, then nothing will.

Stop accepting everything Trump defenders tell you at face value. When you hear claims like above, look up the full details.

 Stav

"The differences between the two cases, is that the offense committed by the Obama campaign was unintentional and something they tried to correct in real time, where as Trump's offenses where criminal in nature. You can look up the differences with a quick google search."

Please tell me what evidence you have of the crimes committed  by Trump.   I just must remind you there is no law in the USA  as to hush money practised and paid regularly on huge numbers of cases.   

"I find it interesting you brought this up again when you admitted you didn't know the full details of both cases in a previous post"

What is so interesting about it....., I still don't know everything about all the cases......and neither do you.....I am just trying to debate the topic..... simple...... so stop being so bloody melodramatic....if you don't want to get involved in the discussion, don't, move on.

"The differences between the two cases, is that the offense committed by the Obama campaign was unintentional and something they tried to correct in real time..."

Absolute rubbish, they were only reactive to this complaint....and were never proactive..... they acted only when it was reported, which was quite a bit later  It was only after the Federal Election Committee raised these various concerns involving $1.8 million that action was taken, quite a while after the contributions were made.....nothing ever happened in "Real Time"  ...

"the offense committed by the Obama campaign was unintentional"

Of course it was... but ...mmmmm .... it was only after the Federal Election Committee reported these many excess financial contributions that exceeded legal limits, that they decided to refund these excess contributions....and of course you just don't notice $1.8 million in extra free funds...

"A politician lying to the public...well I never. Distasteful yes but not a crime"

Lol, yeah like showering with your daughter.... your go to move....."not a crime"

"Now this is a crime, but perjury charges are rarely pursued when its a civil case"

Of course, unless your name is Trump

"Wasn't a pay off, it was a settlement"

A play with words, very convenient..... let's also call Trump's payment to Daniels a settlement.

"Stop accepting everything Trump defenders tell you at face value. When you hear claims like above, look up the full details"

I see you really enjoy constantly trying to tell people what to do......what a pity you continue to fail to take your own advice

DA

The excxuse for Biden destroying the USA by his site supporters will claim  "it was not inten tional".

Ag Mike, here's the thing

Do I think Trump is guilty of some of the charges that he has faced over the years..... yeah, most probably.....but nothing absolutely concrete has been provided as proof against him.....everything has been circumstantial, with sometimes no way to prove the intent behind whatever has already been discovered.

Is Trump a dick at times..... of course...... does he alienate people because of his bombastic narcissistic attitude.... damn straight he does.....do I like him...not really....... do I think he is better than Biden, absolutely.

However, it is the way that they have gone after Trump, since he was first elected, that really got my attention, and as one can see even now, it has got the attention of millions around the world now, so much so that even very recently there was a rally held for Trump in London.....which I am not sure has happened before...... such is the distaste of the US legal system and how it is treating Trump.

Trump has got more support now, than he has ever had in his entire career, even from some very staunch anti republicans ....who voiced the exact same concerns that I raise here above.

I will never defend Trump to the extent that I think he is innocent, because I don't, and never will believe it.....but I also cannot accept how he is being treated and how the DOJ, FBI and various other high profile people and organizations have been weaponized by Biden and the Democrats, to try and sink Trump in any way possible.

What is so interesting about it....., I still don't know everything about all the cases......and neither do you.....I am just trying to debate the topic..... simple...... so stop being so bloody melodramatic....if you don't want to get involved in the discussion, don't, move on.

You're making these posts to present the narrative that how Trump is being treated compared to other politicians in the past is a double standard, but you freely admit you don't know the full story behind the Obama Campaign cause. Has it crossed your mind that maybe the full story might show the two cases are not equivalent. Also where was the melodrama?

Absolute rubbish, they were only reactive to this complaint....and were never proactive..... they acted only when it was reported.  It was only after the Federal Election Committee raised these various concerns involving $1.8 million that action was taken.....nothing ever happened in "Real Time"  ...

May I ask for a source on that? I've seen several legal experts going on record saying what happened was a relatively minor failure and the sort of errors people make when trying to do the right thing. The McCain campaign was also fined for similar mistakes but not to the same extent.

Of course it was... but ...mmmmm .... it was only after the Federal Election Committee reported these many excess financial contributions that exceeded legal limits, that they decided to refund these excess contributions....and of course you just don't notice $1.8 million in extra free funds...

Actually it was $1.9 million. But you might not notice it when your total campaign funding exceeds $1 billion. The money involved is huge money for most individuals but minor in terms of Presidential campaign spending. And the number of doners affected was also a drop in the ocean when there was a total of 3 million donators.

Lol, yeah like showering with your daughter.... your go to move....."not a crime"

I'm really sorry about this, but I don't make the laws in the US and neither do you. I dont' condone politicians lying, but seriously if lying was a crime that was punishable by law, then every politician in every country in the world would be in prison.

Of course, unless your name is Trump

Hang on has Trump been charged with perjury?

A play with words, very convenient..... let's also call Trump's payment to Daniels a settlement.

Hush money/ a pay off is something that's done to keep information out of the public sphere, a settlement is an entirely legal method of ending a lawsuit. Clinton didn't attempt to influence the course of an election by concealing information (he was already in his second term and wasn't running again)  nor did he commit financial fraud to do so.

I see you really enjoy constantly trying to tell people what to do......what a pity you continue to fail to take your own advice

And you come on here acting like the other sides are fools and idiots for not seeing the world through your eyes then act all defensive when you got called out for the lack of substance in your arguments.

Franhkly Stav is delusional about everything concerning  US A Governance and fall for the leftist media to use as arguments.   The media lied for 4 years about collusion between Putin and Trump and when it came out they tried to find holes in the finding and continue their BS .   I would not believe a word when media become the norm - yet brainwashed people who have not a single idea about what is going on depends and since they cannott hink for themselves fall back on BS spreading media to tell that what they may think..

"You're making these posts to present the narrative that how Trump is being treated compared to other p oliticians in the past is a double standard"

Because I believe there is ...

"May I ask for a source on that?"

Obama

"And you come on here acting like the other sides are fools and idiots for not seeing the world through your eyes then act all defensive when you got called out for the lack of substance in your arguments"

Lol.... look in the mirror dude.....

Because I believe there is ...

And I believe you're being taken for a ride. But I suppose its a ride you want to go on.

Obama

Thanks for that, though the document indicates that the Obama campaign had already refunded about a third of the $ 1,363,529 it had received in excess donations before the Commission investigation took place.

With regards the non reporting of 1,266 donations in excess of $1,000 within 48 hours, that document you linked doesn't indicate there was no attempts in real time to correctly report these, only that there was failure to report then within the 48 hour window required and of those 1,266 donations 711 had the wrong date on then, with the listed date given as to when the money was transferred into Obama's main campaign fund (OFA/ Obama for American) from another fund (OVF/ Obama Victory Fund) when the date given should of been when the donations where first given (i.e to OVF)

So here are some differences between Trump case and Obama's Campaign case.

There is no indication Obama was directly involved in any of the issues raised by the FEC and  There is no indication that the Obama campaign intentionally misreported donations.  

Lol.... look in the mirror dude.....

Maybe stop making posts about double standards that demonstrate your own double standards.

keep going Stava, you are one of 4 posters I enjoy reading.

You lot are all dumb and excessively BS orientated.   Stav claimed Trump was involved in cim inal activitiy and then did nto know what law Trump broke.    Nobody knows what law was broken and that kind of BS will not be tolerated by Federal Courts on appeal.   Whatsoever happened - the fact is that what happened was co-ordinated by Biden's WH  legal advisors  and is aprt of the effort to undemine Biden's election campaign and has fuck all to do with breaking  of laws other than an attack on the Constitution of the USA by a Presidency that are regarded by most USA voters as a source of their suffefing and which has no defense for the way they are undermining  the poor and working classes.    

Using  the FBI and Justice Department to fight elections are not going to be tolerated by any responsible  Judges and the damage done will lead to cover Trump's lega costs and in view of the fake charges wil have dire consequences for th e lawyers and judges invovled - theyw ill be scrapped as judicial functionaries and banned from practising law in the USA -  they amy even eb ch arged to pay for th e costs of Trump - like  Daniels already were.   S h e was tld to cover $500 000 to Trump fir his legal expenses because she could nto prove th at her allegations ag aint him was true and then swore publicly that she will not pay him a cent.   In normal circumstances it would elad to her being charged with a crime - buit not in the Biden USA - because Justice has been gutted.

If none of the site members who go bananas about this issue to tell us what law Trump broke a fiurther discussion will be possible.    Until then whatever you lot come up with  is just total BS  from a lying  media.     

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"And I believe you're being taken for a ride. But I suppose its a ride you want to go on"

The irony ....... again, look in the mirror dude.... 

I'm not too concerned with what you believe....I have my own opinion.....and you can suppose as much as you want to.

"Maybe stop making posts about double standards that demonstrate your own double standards."

You just cannot see the wood for the trees....

"that document you linked doesn't indicate there was no attempts in real time to correctly report these, only that there was failure to report then within the 48 hour window required"

Now I get what Mozart was referring to the other day regarding your basic comprehension skills.... I really do get why he posted that.

The report I linked to very clearly and also on multiple occasions references the fact that Obama failed to refund, redesignate, or reattribute the funds, within the stipulated legal 60 day period.

Here is the finding of the FEC.... verbatim ....

"The commission found reason to believe that Respondents violated 2 U.S.C 441a of the Federal Election Campaign act of 1971, as amended (The Act) by accepting contributions in excess of the limits applicable to the 2008 presidential election that were not resolved through refund, redesignation, reattribution within the 60 day period permitted under the act"

Where a committee receives an excessive contribution, the Commission's regulations give the committee 60 days from the date of receipt to identify and resolve the excessive contribution via refund, redesignation or reattribution of the excessive amount.

From 2007 to 2008 OFA accepted a total of $1 363 529 in contributions that exceeded the limits set forth in 2 U.S.C 441a(a)(1)(A) and that were not resolved through refund, redesignation or reattrribution  within 60 days of receipt as permitted under the act"

Now you tell me Stav, where you don't see the problem here.....and where your statement as I originally said, is absolutely rubbish.

Lastly .... also verbatim from the FEC outcome

"In the interest of resolving this matter promptly, Respondents admit the following:

1 . Respondents violated 2 U.S.C 441a (f) and 11 C.F.R 103.3 (3),110.1(b) by accepting $1 363 529 in excessive contributions, which they failed to refund, redesignate, or reattribute within 60 days of receipt, as required by the act.

2 . Respondents violated 2 U.S.C 434(b) and 11 C.F.R 102.17(c) 104.3(a)(3) by misreporting the original date of receipt for contributions receive through OVF

As you yourself recently said here to me ......"When you hear claims like above, look up the full details"

Real time resolutions my a ss

As I said numerous times already ..... look in the mirror dude, and try taking your own advice

"One could use all the mental gymnastics you like but I've never seen anything like it in my lifetime and probably never will again. It was in your face propaganda, en masse, by US media and government institutions, against a sitting president.

And that's just to name two ways in which Trump was treated differently. The list is actually very long."

Spot on Plum

J ust imagine if Trump had done what Clinton or Obama have previously done as referred to above....

I am still waiting for the dolts to tell me what crime Trump committed in the two New York trials and that has never been responded to .   A little bit of thinking and not believing  in media BS  will not help them,    Until any of the memebr who participated can enlighten us and state what crimne Trump committed any discussion on site will be useless.    

So come on dolts - tell us what crime Trump actually committed.     

Well Mike

According to Stav ..... if you don't acknowledge or admit to something that happened a few weeks, months or even years ago, and you only decide to try and resolve the issue when it is reported to you...... that is apparently "Real Time"

On January 6th

Donald Trump tweeted to be law abiding during the January 6th Capitol riots at 2:38 PM EST. 

In his tweet, he said: "Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!" 

Later, at 3:13 PM EST, he tweeted: "I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!"

Now Stav..... this is a very clear and concise example of what "Real Time" is