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A guilty Felon - Trump Found Guilty

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
06 Jun 2024, 07:58
#81
06 Jun 2024, 07:58#81

https://www.justsecurity.org/91904/dissecting-trumps-peacefully-and-patriotically-defense-of-the-january-6th-attack/

The January 6th Select Committee found that the words “peacefully and patriotically” were drafted by Trump’s speechwriters – not Trump. Those two words were also completely at odds with the rest of Trump’s highly inflammatory remarks, during which he retold multiple lies about the election and directed the crowd’s anger at Vice President Pence and lawmakers. While Trump uttered the word “peacefully” just one time during his speech, which lasted more than an hour, he used variations of the word “fight” 20 times. That was Trump’s authentic voice. Though Trump knew the assembled crowd was “angry,” he ad-libbed the word “fight” on approximately 18 occasions. Trump also personally added multiple incendiary lines, including this one:

“We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
06 Jun 2024, 08:27
#82
06 Jun 2024, 08:27#82

Not really sure at all what your point is here blob

I am illustrating what "Real Time" action actually is... that Stav keeps referencing in his posts

Trump sent those two messages that I quoted above, to his 88 million followers on Twitter at the time, whilst the January 6th riot was actually happening live on national television

That is "Real Time" action ...... not weeks, months or years after it happened.

Simple really

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
06 Jun 2024, 09:31
#83
06 Jun 2024, 09:31#83

Remember when Biden personally and very clearly stated to the public that 50 former intelligence people had told him that the Hunter laptop was a "plant" by the Russian government.

He then also proceeded to say that 5 for mer heads of the CIA, from both parties, also said that the laptop was not Hunters.....

Then the truth finally came out ....it's a bloody farce

None is so blind than those who will not see.....

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
07 Jun 2024, 06:58
#84
07 Jun 2024, 06:58#84

Now I get what Mozart was referring to the other day regarding your basic comprehension skills.... I really do get why he posted that.

I love it. You say I have an issue with basic comprehension in the very post where you show your lack of basic comprehension skills.

The report I linked to very clearly and also on multiple occasions references the fact that Obama failed to refund, redesignate, or reattribute the funds, within the stipulated legal 60 day period.

Here is the finding of the FEC.... verbatim ....

Yes when it comes to excess donations over $2300.

But when I said "that document you linked doesn't indicate there was no attempts in real time to correctly report these, only that there was failure to report then within the 48 hour window required" I  was clearly referring to the 1,266 cases of donations not being reported in the required 48 hours. These where not excess donations, so there was no requirement to refund, redesignate or reattribute the funds.

Now you tell me Stav, where you don't see the problem here.....and where your statement as I originally said, is absolutely rubbish.

Lastly .... also verbatim from the FEC outcome

LOL you're so sure you got me bad here, but all your doing is doubling down on your own lack of comprehension.

I am illustrating what "Real Time" action actually is... that Stav keeps referencing in his posts

ROFL, "keeps referencing", I had used the term twice and one of them was in a response to your post.

Okay look I'll break this down for you as simply as I can.

Firstly in the case where the Obama For America campaign did not report 1,266 donations over $1,000 within the required 48 hours, we don't know exactly when these donations were actually reported. It could of be mere minutes, days, weeks, months or years after the 48 hour period. The document you linked too doesn't indicate when they were reported. 

711 of these donations appear to have the wrong donation date. The donation date given for these 711 donations was when these donations where transferred from one campaign fund to another when they should have been reported when they where first donated. The document doesn't indicate whether the Obama for America campaign was aware of this mistake or if it took any action to correct it.

Now the Obama campaign in 2008 in total took in over 3 million individual donations. Granted many of these would of been before the requirement to report them within 48 hours (i.e if the donations where over $1,000 and made within 20 days of the election) but in the context of the volume of donations the Obama campaign was receiving it appears they where genuinely trying to comply with election requirements and for the vast majority of cases they did. At not point did the FEC accuse them of deliberately misreporting donation. 

On to the issue of excess payments. So the FEC concluded from the files submitted to them by the Obama campaign that Obama campaign failed to refund $1,363,529 worth of excess donations within the required 60 day period. They had though refunded $489,616 of that before the FEC started its investigation, but we don't have an exact date for when that was refunded only it was after the 60 day requirement and before the investigation which began 4 years later. They still had to refund $873,913 by the time of FEC issued that document.  By all mean's you care fairly criticise the Obama campaign for this failure. 

But what you're failing to comprehend is that documents doesn't give any indication how many excess donations the Obama campaign did successfully refund in the required 60 day period. The FEC report looks into campaign violations and doesn't list all the times where a campaign was compliant. For all we know the the Obama campaign could have been compliant with that requirement 90% of the time. We simply don't know. That's why you can't say the document proves the Obama campaign was not trying to correct issues in real time. All it proves is that the failed in their requirements some of the time.

Now if you want to talk about double standards. Care to explain why John McCain was treated the exact same for similar violations. 

https://rollcall.com/2013/08/17/fec-fines-mccain-presidential-campaign-80000/

How come you missed that, did the Trump supporters who are punishing this narrative of double standards omit this little detail?

So just think about if for a moment.

There is no indications that the violations in the Obama 2008 campaign were intentional. There is no indications that donations where misspent or anyone in the campaign made of with any of the donations. There was no indication the Obama campaign conceal information about donations.  Obama himself was not directly involved in the campaign violations.  John McCain's campaign was treated similarly for the same offences. The overall general consensus from legal experts is that violations coming from the Obama 2008 campaign were indicative of a campaign that was genuinely trying to compile with reporting requirement, for the most part was compliant and that the violation appear to be simply genuine mistakes. The FEC themselves never accused either campaign of intentional violations. 

This compares to Trump who was personally found guilty of  deliberately committing financial fraud in order for him to unduly influence the 2016 election.

There is no comparison between the two situations.



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jun 2024, 13:07
#85
07 Jun 2024, 13:07#85

 Stav 

You, must be the most stupid politically of anybody making contribujtioons on site.   You have one idea and what happens in respect to Obama and Clinton was just unintentiinal mistakes made by the Democrats and legally in both cases they were foind to be guilty of an Election offence.   The Federal Election Committee found both guilty of contravention of the law and fined them bcause they contravened the Law.

In the case of Trump the Election Committeee reviewed the issue and could not find any evidence that Tump broke any law in 2016 and throw out the case.   The Federal Electiion Committe has the sole lawful role to play in F ederal Elections - nobody else has any legalc competence in this case.   The FEC has two options - they can refer the matter to the Justice Department for prosecution or they can fine the two candidates for transgressions.   They did fine Obama and Clinton and they had to pay up or appeal the ruling - an they did not.  

The New York State Coiurt has ZERO say on federal elections and the fake case in New York by the state DA is BS concocted by the  Biden WH.   Why was this case not laid in the 2020 election and why was it only laid after Trump  announced his candidacy in 2023,   Fact is the charge was made only in January 2024 - after a proven meeting between the Biden legal advisors in the WH  wih Justice Department officials and DA of New York took place.   There is enouigh proof that that meeting took place and during that meeting it was decided to lay the charges.    They knew it had no chance o success - but believe it would be of vcalue as propaganda in the election campaign.   So now the  Judge delayed his verdict  by a Month so that appeals would be delayed untill after the Novembr election.

What the DA and his WH  assistants did is fraudulent.and they can end up in big shit if the fake charges are dealt with by the Justice Department after Trump wins the election.   All the legal people invovled and the Judge will get fucked by the finger of fate when that happened.  They are bargaining on the leftists winning the election and Biden remain the puppet President.   A long string of lawbreakers will then face the music.    So what will the bastardi do  next  which  I suppose you will support that one - the other is start WW3 or the second one is to assassinate Trump.    I suppose you will defend that stategy as well.     


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
07 Jun 2024, 15:54
#86
07 Jun 2024, 15:54#86

Hey Draad isn't the part where you step in and yellow card Mike for attacking the person not the post?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Jun 2024, 18:30
#87
07 Jun 2024, 18:30#87

???...I never yellow card Maaik for anything ...for a good reason....

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Jun 2024, 18:42
#88
07 Jun 2024, 18:42#88

St av, how many 80-odd-year-ods do you know?

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
08 Jun 2024, 10:01
#89
08 Jun 2024, 10:01#89
???...I never yellow card Maaik for anything...for a good reason....
BOOO.....I call double standards.

Stav, how many 80-odd-year-ods do you know?

One or two but they are nothing like Mike thankfully.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Jun 2024, 14:31
#90
08 Jun 2024, 14:31#90

 Stav you are trying to wiggle out of he whole issue by imlplying that any wrong s of the Demcorats are always "unintentional"-  in any legal terms it is BS,   Lawbreaking is exactly what the word means - when a murder is unintentional  the murderer is charge with manslaughter - but even then the breaker will still end up in jail.   Unlike yoiu I do not use prejudice when dealing with issues - neither media brainwashing in your case removing  any ability to think for yourslf. 

I do real research to find out what si really happening and think carefully about what is really going on.  

Just as an aside the Federal Eletion Committee found Obama and Cliton guilty of Election Law breaking and fined them on that basis.   You still have n ot answered - what LAW did Trump break in the NY kangaroo court trial?.

    

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Jun 2024, 15:31
#91
08 Jun 2024, 15:31#91

"BOOO.....I call double standards."

Wrong call...but at least I've got standards...

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
08 Jun 2024, 16:52
#92
08 Jun 2024, 16:52#92

Wrong call...but at least I've got standards...

We will agree to disagree.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
08 Jun 2024, 16:52
#93
08 Jun 2024, 16:52#93


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Jun 2024, 23:48
#94
08 Jun 2024, 23:48#94

You, may be thankful for the fac that at least I write proven facts and you, write me dia shit on site.  None of your statements and stories are anything  bar BS caused by brainwashing  by the leftist media.    .  

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
09 Jun 2024, 02:27
#95
09 Jun 2024, 02:27#95

ouMaaik , 51446 posts ............ sources revealed approx 11 or 12 times ( & I'm being kind)

probably closer to 7 or 8.



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jun 2024, 08:50
#96
09 Jun 2024, 08:50#96

I differ from you lot like most of the USA voters according  to believe in opinion polls.   You do not believe in democracy and support a crooked bastard who is a threat to DEMOCRACY by the name of Joe Biden - who use banana republic and dictatorial regime tactics  by layiing fake charges against opponents and used the FBI to investigate and intimidate opponents - the FIS Court found illegal investigation of 278 000 people by the FBI alone.    

His Justice Department used the Police and  arrested 1100 people trespassing in the Capitol and accuse them of staging  an insurrection.   Knowing it is BS they refuse to allow bail being granted to the arrestees and would not take them to court and charge them with insurrection and only when intimidated and mistreated arrestees admit guilt to the BS they would lay it before court and then it was not necessary to produce any evidence supporting  their BS Insurrection claim.   The Court in that case was as crooked as Bragg and found the people guilty.   They then gave them  sentences to cover the period they were illegally held in jail and most were released within a month after being  charged in the court - a move to get past the judicial system as provided for in the US Constitution and normal jurisprudence pocedures in the USA.

There are still about 300 people held in jail because they refuse to admit guilt to something  that never happened.    

You should be ashamed to support the banana republic and dictatorship tactics used by the present Regime to remain in control of the USA.   If Biden is not removed from the Presidency in the election in November 2024 in four years time the dictatorship in the USA will be irreversable and the country would deteriorate even further than they deteriorated since 2021.

   

           

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
09 Jun 2024, 09:04
#97
09 Jun 2024, 09:04#97

Your support for Russia's ample proof you don't give a fck about democracy.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jun 2024, 09:31
#98
09 Jun 2024, 09:31#98

BB

You are a fucking liar again - I do not support Russia and never did.   From teh  start of the ar I always supported a negotiated settlement o the Ukraine issue.   What irked me is th at the USA sabotage all efforts t prevent and stiop h e war and that is based on he massive corruption invovled in the system.    After the Afghanistan disaster the armaments indutry in the USA face decline in production - so other wars are essential to their survival.   All that happens in reality is kickbacks to politicians and bureaucrats that keeps wars going.

None of the aid money provided to Ukraine is ever audited - neither are the US Defense Department - leaving windows wide open for bribery and corruption.    The expenses of the US Defense Department has not beaen audited since 2003 and companies like Haliburton - controlled by the Cheyne's - are an example of bribery and corruption on an endless basis as contractors they were invovled in Afghanistan and are still inviolved in the Ukraine War with their operatiions being in Poland.   So the bribery is not limited to Democrats only - there are also some Republcians involved in that BS - like Romney and a few other Senators as well.  In the meantime the reipients are building  palatial homes in the Washington suburbs by the dozen.

Biden being  corrupt as well oppose all moves by anybody initiating any peace efforts through negotiation.    

So back to my view from the start oif the Civil War in Ukraine in 2014 and since the invasion of Ukraine by Russia in 2022 - peace negotiations should have started before 2022 and was in fact signed by both Zelenskyy and Putin and sabotaged by the USA.

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AJHPro3,183 posts
09 Jun 2024, 12:18
#99
09 Jun 2024, 12:18#99

Well, well, well.

The Judge in this case has just issued a post to both the defence and the prosecution about the possibility of this case falling flat on its face due to one of the Demorat jurors advising a relative that President Trump will be found guilty on all charges a day prior to the verdict being decided.

Can't beat it now can you?

The corruption and total disregard for justice in New York for one is criminal and will result in a mistrial being ordered and the verdict against President Trump being withdrawn.

One more win for President Trump.

Sorry you anti Trumpers but you folks sure are a bunch of losers.

FOUR MORE YEARS....................

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
09 Jun 2024, 12:37
#100
09 Jun 2024, 12:37#100

51446 posts  Shitory s

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
09 Jun 2024, 14:00
#101
09 Jun 2024, 14:00#101

Well, well, well.

The Judge in this case has just issued a post to both the defence and the prosecution about the possibility of this cas falling flat on its face due to one of the Demorat jurors advising a relative that President Trump will be found guilty on all charges a day prior to the verdict being decided.

Can't beat it now can you?

The corruption and total disregard for justice in New York for one is criminal and will result in a mistrial being ordered and the verdict against President Trump being withdrawn.

One more win for President Trump.

Sorry you anti Trumpers but you folks sure are a bunch of losers.

FOUR MORE YEARS....................

LOL, love the way you haven't waited for this story to be verified before going on about corruption and the disregard for justice.

 The person who made this claim on social made is a known troll, with his profile bio listing himself as a "shit poster". 

Why I have a feeling this claim will lead absolutely nowhere.


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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
09 Jun 2024, 14:37
#102
09 Jun 2024, 14:37#102

Any true or false question starts with a 50% chance of being right or wrong.

Trump was going to be found either guilty or innocent. So if someone posted the day before about the verdict, they had a 50% chance of being right.

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
09 Jun 2024, 14:41
#103
09 Jun 2024, 14:41#103

DumbMike speaks about Democracy, all while he is a Putin sycophant. 

Putin will soon have been in power longer than Stalin. He has killed his political opponents or exiled them. He expanded the term limit so he can stay in power - despite the Russian constitution having term limits.

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AJHPro3,183 posts
09 Jun 2024, 15:45
#104
09 Jun 2024, 15:45#104

Reported by CNN as well as MSNBC and Fox.

The person who blogged the verdict was related to a juror for your info Rear-end.

You A-holes cannot accept the corruption and criminal action associated by DUMB rear- ends in everything you say, blog and live daily.

FOUR MORE YEARS.

Get with it you lefty goofers.


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
09 Jun 2024, 15:55
#105
09 Jun 2024, 15:55#105

Reported by CNN as well as MSNBC and Fox.

The person who blogged the verdict was related to a juror for your info Rear-end.

Reported doesn't mean verified. Christ all mighty.

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
09 Jun 2024, 18:12
#106
09 Jun 2024, 18:12#106

What a poor comeback.

You sound like one of the Bidens.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jun 2024, 18:32
#107
09 Jun 2024, 18:32#107

The one who are not able to communicate at all ba when he has a note on what he may say and what he may not say.    .    

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
10 Jun 2024, 07:07
#108
10 Jun 2024, 07:07#108

"Stav you are trying to wiggle out of he whole issue by imlplying that any wrong s of the Demcorats are always "unintentional"-  in any legal terms it is BS"

Correct Mike, it is his go to phrase these days..... well....to be fair....he does have a few recent ones ... like "real time", lol

I think Bill Clinton also finally admitted in "real time" to sleeping with Monica.... you know.... after first denying it to the world, many times, for 7 months.....but eventually getting caught out and finally coming clean.

Looking through his posts...everything Trump does seems to be intentional in Stav's eyes, Trump's intent can apparently always be conclusively proven........and everything Clinton, Obama and Biden and other Dems have done, is not "intentional" at all..... just mere speculation ...

Or, like his response to Biden showering with his daughter...... well .... "it's not a crime"

Same as this below.....

I am sure Stav will also say that Biden did not "intentionally" make this statement either....LMFAO

"Remember when Biden personally and very clearly stated to the public that 50 former intelligence people had told him that the Hunter laptop was a "plant" by the Russian government.

He then also proceeded to say that 5 former heads of the CIA, from both parties, also said that the laptop was not Hunters....."

This was most probably also not at all intentional.....

Yeah.... pull the other one ...

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
10 Jun 2024, 13:43
#109
10 Jun 2024, 13:43#109

with his profile bio listing himself as a "shit poster"

There you go, it's Mike.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Jun 2024, 20:06
#110
10 Jun 2024, 20:06#110

Whenever the lefties call me a shit poster it means they have nothing  they can prove to support their BS.

Lets give an example Biden was found by the House to have at least 25 shelf companies registered, but never involved in operaion of any functioing.   When the Biden's got pay-offs the money flows the bribes going  into the bank account of on of th e companies and from there it was laundered to the Biden family members.   The banks got suspicious of the money laundering and sent reports on the transfers to the FBI - who did not do anything  about it.   After that in the House Hearings it also came out that Joe Biden used a code name when sending instructions to Hunter on "business issues".  The House found evidence given under oath that there were $40 million involved in the Biden bribe  money landering  operations.

So the above illegal money laundering  operations is not intentional as well,    

There is one thing that baffles me of the Hunter Biden story.   He is a confirmed druggie and  people will not negotiate any real business deals with him.   It all aims at Daddy approving  any request from the bribers if the payment is in line with Joe Biden's requirements.   

Is that also not "intentional".                        

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
10 Jun 2024, 20:21
#111
10 Jun 2024, 20:21#111

Correct Mike, it is his go to phrase these days..... well....to be fair....he does have a few recent ones ... like "real time", lol

Oh dear...nothing is more a damning indictment of ones position when they make a post agreeing with Mike of all people. 

I think Bill Clinton also finally admitted in "real time" to sleeping with Monica.... you know.... after first denying it to the world, many times, for 7 months.....but eventually getting caught out and finally coming clean.

You can put real time in italics and in quote marks to your little hearts content all you want. Its actually quite amusing.

Looking through his posts...everything Trump does seems to be intentional in Stav's eyes,

And you accept every counter narrative pro Trump supporters throw out regardless if the claims have any evidence behind them. 

Trump's intent can apparently always be conclusively proven.

You mean proven in various civil and criminal courts right?

and everything Clinton, Obama and Biden and other Dems have done, is not "intentional" at all..... just mere speculation ...

When it comes to the handling of classified documents/information for Clinton, Biden and Trump there is one massive difference. Trump didn't co-operate in returning the files. If he just gave up the damn documents at the start when he was originally asked for them he would of been treated the same as Clinton an Biden. A simple slap on the wrist with a stern telling off that he shouldn't have done that and sure the democrats would of made political capital out of it, but there would have no be criminal investigation. But no he went out of his way to obstruct the recovery of the documents as difficult as possible. Biden and Clinton fully co-operated. Now please don't insult anyone's intelligence here by pretending that's not the reason Trump is in legal trouble over retaining classified documents and the clear difference between Biden/Clinton and Trump.

But we know where this is going, you're going pull another out another pro Trump counter narrative that has no supporting evidence that the FBI mishandled the investigation or the democrats where behind the FBI's action. And no token posts about not liking Trump or saying he's probably guilty of something in a vague manner does not fool anyone into thinking you're being impartial on the matter.

As for Obama's 2008 election campaign fund violations. There is no evidence presented that the any of the violations where done intentionally and there is no indications Obama was directly involved in all of the violations. McCain's 2008 campaign committed similar violations and was treated the same way.

Trump on the other hand was personally found guilty in a criminal court of intentionally committing fraud to unlawfully influence the 2016 election.

Or, like his response to Biden showering with his daughter...... well .... "it's not a crime"

Umm...it's not. 

Same as this below.....

I am sure Stav will also say that Biden did not "intentionally" make this statement either....LMFAO

If you want to say Biden said that intentionally sure knock yourself out in my view it was most likely intentionally given the context of the quote occurring in a Presidential debate. How he phrased it particularly in using the word "plant" does not give an accurate representation of what those 50 former intelligence agents said. Likewise he also misrepresented what the 5 former CIA head's said in saying they said it was a bunch of garbage (referring to the laptop).

The 50 intelligence agents did raise concerns that the way the laptop surfaced bared a lot of the hallmarks of a Russian disinformation operation, but they never claimed to have verified if the laptop and its content was legit or not. To this day, they still stand by that assessment.

So by all mean's go ahead and criticize Biden on that one, it was a clear misrepresentation, 



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Jun 2024, 23:36
#112
10 Jun 2024, 23:36#112

‘ If he just gave up the damn documents at the start when he was originally asked for them he would have been treated the same as Clinton an Biden.’

….

Are you saying the treatment of Trump has been the same as other Presidents. Do you really believe if he gave back documents that would have ended it?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jun 2024, 00:50
#113
11 Jun 2024, 00:50#113

Stav

What documents did Trump  have to provide?    There were claims from Cohen that the Trump delegated representatives approved for payment and since hush money payments is not illegal in the USA - the Election Committee would not act on it anyway.

When Trump wanted to call the previous Chairman of the Election Committee to explain to them what is  legal  pertaining to the    Election Law and what is illegal - the Judge did not allow him to explain the legal situation in court.   That alone shows what BS the Judge is guilty of.  The other farce  was the Judge telling  the jury not to get imvolved in dtermining the law Trump broke and  the Judge told the Jury to find Trump guilty without taking into accout the issue of which law Trump broke.

So the Court were not allowed to consider of what law was in question here and you do not know what law Trump broke.   Nobody knows what law was broiken and your sources did not tell you either,   So your excuse that Trump should have providd the documents to the Election Committee is really funny.   The Election Committee  investigated the case fully based on complaints from Clinton and the Democrats and had all the documents pertaining to the issue then and threw out the case because the Election Law qwas not broken.

By th way - has your sources said ever what Law Trump broke?   I watched CNN to hear their comments and not one came up with the answer.

So tell us please - what law did Trump break?                 .

                        


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jun 2024, 01:51
#114
11 Jun 2024, 01:51#114

Condition

"When it comes to the handling of classified documents/information for Clinton, Biden and Trump there is one massive difference. Trump didn't co-operate in returning the files. If he just gave up the damn documents at the start when he was originally asked for them he would of been treated the same as Clinton an Biden. A simple slap on the wrist with a stern telling off that he shouldn't have done that and sure the democrats would of made political capital out of it, but there would have no be criminal investigation. But no he went out of his way to obstruct the recovery of the documents as difficult as possible. Biden and Clinton fully co-operated. Now please don't insult anyone's intelligence here by pretending that's not the reason Trump is in legal trouble over retaining classified documents and the clear difference between Biden/Clinton and Trump."

Where did you get that BS from?     Not a singl sentence above is even remotely true.   So source please 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jun 2024, 01:51
#115
11 Jun 2024, 01:51#115

Condition

"When it comes to the handling of classified documents/information for Clinton, Biden and Trump there is one massive difference. Trump didn't co-operate in returning the files. If he just gave up the damn documents at the start when he was originally asked for them he would of been treated the same as Clinton an Biden. A simple slap on the wrist with a stern telling off that he shouldn't have done that and sure the democrats would of made political capital out of it, but there would have no be criminal investigation. But no he went out of his way to obstruct the recovery of the documents as difficult as possible. Biden and Clinton fully co-operated. Now please don't insult anyone's intelligence here by pretending that's not the reason Trump is in legal trouble over retaining classified documents and the clear difference between Biden/Clinton and Trump."

Where did you get that BS from?     Not a singl sentence above is even remotely true.   So source please 

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
11 Jun 2024, 06:15
#116
11 Jun 2024, 06:15#116

"You can put real time in italics and in quote marks to your little hearts content all you want. Its actually quite amusing"

Actually... what really is amusing is you having to say sorry to Becs in the other thread, because as per the usual Stav tactics, you just assume way too much about people, without knowing the real facts....it's quite a bad habit of yours. 

"Oh dear...nothing is more a damning indictment of ones position when they make a post agreeing with Mike of all people"

Ridicule Mike as much as you want, but he is not the only one who has picked up your blatant bias from your posts.... it's clear as mud to a lot of posters on here.

"And you accept every counter narrative pro Trump supporters throw out regardless if the claims have any evidence behind them"

What did I just say ..... more assumptions

"So by all mean's go ahead and criticize Biden on that one, it was a clear misrepresentation"

Lol...absolute bloody bollocks

"Are you saying the treatment of Trump has been the same as other Presidents. Do you really believe if he gave back documents that would have ended it?"

It seems he does do Moz, because it seems according to Stav, that everything Trump does, is Trump's fault, it is an intentional action on his behalf that creates the issues that he faces all the time

However, Biden, Clinton or Obama never intentionally do or did anything wrong, whatever they did, it was either unintentional, legal, or misrepresented.... what a joke.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jun 2024, 14:21
#117
11 Jun 2024, 14:21#117
What about Clinton lying to the American people in the most convincing way….with the First Lady who surely must have known it was a lie, nodding next to him. Did that disqualify her from anything. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aGbdni7QNs


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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
11 Jun 2024, 14:36
#118
11 Jun 2024, 14:36#118

Yeah, just imagine if Trump was faced with the same charges of obstruction of justice, and perjury..... after lying under oath......he would have correctly been removed from office, as should have happened to Bill Clinton.

There were concerns at the time that they would be setting a precedent for future impeachments, with many fearing that removing a sitting president for lying about a personal matter, could open the floodgates for politically motivated impeachments, undermining the stability of the presidency and the democratic process.....

Sheeesh, that all sounds too familiar.....

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
11 Jun 2024, 14:47
#119
11 Jun 2024, 14:47#119
"Are you saying the treatment of Trump has been the same as other Presidents. "
I don' t know anyone who thinks this. Trumpanzees or otherwise.
Bozo has been treated completely differently to every other president in history - by the media, the public, foreign leaders, opposition parties and by historians - because Bozo is unlike any president there has ever been . . . in terms of poor behaviour, lack of character, incompetence and childish petulance.
Anyone suggesting Bozo has or should be treated the same as other presidents is delusional.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
11 Jun 2024, 15:39
#120
11 Jun 2024, 15:39#120

'.....in terms of poor behaviour....'

He instigated the J6 riot and that alone singles him out from any other POTUS.

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