A guilty Felon - Trump Found Guilty

Are you saying the treatment of Trump has been the same as other Presidents. Do you really believe if he gave back documents that would have ended it?

Yes I don't believe Trump would now be facing criminal charges if had he co-operated in returning them.

Actually... what really is amusing is you having to say sorry to Becs in the other thread, because as per the usual Stav tactics, you just assume way too much about people, without knowing the real facts....it's quite a bad habit of yours. 

I guess I was a bit too subtle with the sarcasm there.

Ridicule Mike as much as you want, but he is not the only one who has picked up your blatant bias from your posts.... it's clear as mud to a lot of posters on here.

Wasn't Mike I was ridiculing there. Everyone has biases to a certain degree.  I'm curious looking at all your posts including some of the latest stuff about Pelosi and Fauci, where do you see yourself on the political spectrum?  

What did I just say ..... more assumptions

I notice your ignoring my points about Obama not being directly implicated in the 2008 campaign violations where as Trump was personally found guilty of committing fraud to unlawfully influence the 2016 election. I also notice you have said nothing about how Obama and McCain where treated pretty much identically on that matter. What is that too embarrassing for you to acknowledge because that completely undermines the bullshit right wing false equiveillance narrative you have been mindlessly regurgitating.

Lol...absolute bloody bollocks

Lol...you have issues with me agreeing with you?

It seems he does do Moz, because it seems according to Stav, that everything Trump does, is Trump's fault, it is an intentional action on his behalf that creates the issues that he faces all the time

Stop with the clown act. Some yes or no answers. Was Trump found guilty in a civil case of sexual assaulting E Jean Carrol?. Was Trump found twice guilty in a civil court of defaming E Jean Carrol?. Was Trump found guilty in a criminal court of committing fraud to illegally influence the 2016 election? Did Trump co-operate with the relevant authorities when they sought the return of classified documents he had retained? 

However, Biden, Clinton or Obama never intentionally do or did anything wrong, whatever they did, it was either unintentional, legal, or misrepresented.... what a joke.

I never said those three never did anything intentionally wrong. In the case of Obama's 2008 campaign violations, he wasn't' directly involved and the FEC never claimed the campaign violations where intentionally.  Regarding the classified documents situation with Biden and Clinton and Trump the issue isn't that they kept the files intentionally, its a question of what they intended to do with those files and a question of how they reacted when the relevant authorities sought to get those documents returned.

But yeah keep posting absolute brainless shite right wing narratives about Fauci lying (f**k me, Fauci should be charged with crimes against humanity had me in stitches laughing) or Pelosi being the person we should be focusing on regarding January 6th and then have the gall to talk about other peoples bias. 

Yeah, just imagine if Trump was faced with the same charges of obstruction of justice, and perjury..... after lying under oath......he would have correctly been removed from office, as should have happened to Bill Clinton.

No he wouldn't because no one would of given a f**k about him lying about adultery in a civil court where perjury charges are almost never sought.

There were concerns at the time that they would be setting a precedent for future impeachments, with many fearing that removing a sitting president for lying about a personal matter, could open the floodgates for politically motivated impeachments, undermining the stability of the presidency and the democratic process.....

Sheeesh, that all sounds too familiar.....

Like the way Republicans are trying to impeach Biden now?

"I guess I was a bit too subtle with the sarcasm there"

Oops .... I guess I was as well

"Wasn't Mike I was ridiculing there"

Stop the bullshit man..... you don't usually go this route....

"I'm curious looking at all your posts including some of the latest stuff about Pelosi and Fauci, where do you see yourself on the political spectrum?"

No idea, don't really care at all....and why should it bother you or even matter?

"I notice your ignoring my points about Obama not being directly implicated in the 2008 campaign violations where as Trump was personally found guilty of committing fraud to unlawfully influence the 2016 election"

Because I am tired of your ...it was misrepresented, .... it was not intentional..... it was not illegal

"Stop with the clown act"

I will keep repeating this.... look in the mirror dude..... closely.

"But yeah keep posting absolute brainless shite right wing narratives about Fauci lying (f**k me, Fauci should be charged with crimes against humanity had me in stitches laughing) or Pelosi being the person we should be focusing on regarding January 6th and then have the gall to talk about other peoples bias"

Laugh as much as you want to, I really hope it tickles your tummy ......because both the issues I raised in those posts are factual.... and if they aren't, prove me wrong.

Who said Pelosi should be targeted or focused on from now?.... post anything I said in this regard.... anything at all that even remotely refers to that or infers that... in any small way at all....... all I did was post about the hypocrisy of what happened on that specific day regarding what Pelosi said and did, simple..... because she previously publicly denied any responsibility for being involved with deploying the national guard on that day at the capital riots.... but now admits responsibility on tape......but no... you, jumping to your normal bullshit assumptions, will say I said something else....... bloody liar

"No he wouldn't because no one would of given a f**k about him lying about adultery in a civil court where perjury charges are almost never sought."

Lol, of course they wouldn't ..... already the most investigated and targeted president in the history of the US.... pull the other one

Like the way Republicans are trying to impeach Biden now?

Lol, a bit late with this hey...

"But somehow we have posters here who think we should all be focusing on Pelosi for not realizing how far Trump's deranged supporters would go, right?"

Stooping really low here..... blatantly lying is not a trait I thought you had.

Oops .... I guess I was as well

To borrow one of your earlier quotes, pull the other one.

Stop the bullshit man..... you don't usually go this route....

Where is the bullshit... with Beeno not posting Mike is pretty much our most biased and dishonest poster on this forum with the worst track record for posting absolute tripe with almost no bearing on reality to the point that its impossible to take him seriously on any topic. So yes I will laugh when another poster agrees with Mike's assessment of another posters bias.  

No idea, don't really care at all....and why should it bother you or even matter?

 It doesn't bother me, just curiosity and I thought it relevant when your accusing me of bias. 

Because I am tired of your ...it was misrepresented, .... it was not intentional..... it was not illegal

LOL and I'm tired of you mindlessly repeating right wing narratives of  double standards and posting misrepresentations. And yes things like intentionality do matter in certain situations. For example accidentally killing someone or manslaughter has a different set of consequences from intentionally murdering someone, or making a mistake on your tax returns has different consequences from deliberately committing fraud. And yes legality matters, there needs to be an actual crime committed for someone to face criminal charges. Even a child understands this.

I will keep repeating this.... look in the mirror dude..... closely.

Shock, you evade the question.

Laugh as much as you want to, I really hope it tickles your tummy ......because both the issues I raised in those posts are factual.... and if they aren't, prove me wrong.

Who said Pelosi should be targeted or focused on from now?.... post anything I said in this regard.... anything at all that even remotely refers to that or infers that... in any small way at all....... all I did was post about the hypocrisy of what happened on that specific day regarding what Pelosi said and did, simple..... because she previously publicly denied any responsibility for being involved with deploying the national guard on that day at the capital riots.... but now admits responsibility on tape......but no... you, jumping to your normal bullshit assumptions, will say I said something else....... bloody liar

Why is everything you post narratives that emanate from the right and far right of American politics.

With regards Fauci I long since stopped listening to people who attack him for lying as invariable its just the right wing in America lying and misrepresenting him and the scientific process to distract and provide a scapegoat from the Trump administrations incompetent handling of Covid 19 pandemic. 

As for Pelosi and January 6th, I know there was this long debunked narrative that Pelosi "deliberately" prevented the deployment of the national guard on January 6th. What Pelosi said in that recording doesn't provide any evidence that she did. Only that she felt responsible for not have the national guard their in the first place before the rioting (as in she should of saw the potential for this riot to occur due to Trump's words and actions).

But again this is another case of false equivalence and distraction. The far greater issue is Trump repeatedly lied to supporters about election fraud. Trump incited the rioters that day either unintentionally or intentionally. To me its beyond dispute that the events of January 6th would have not had occurred but for Trump's action after the election.  Pelosi shouldn't have to had been considering anything about the National Guard preventing a riot in the first place had Trump behaved responsibly after the election. All these shite conspiracies about Pelosi's actions or the rioters behind deliberately allowed to riot is just a smoke screen to protect Trump and give his supporters something to latch on too.

And yes I'm making assumptions about you due to the fact that pretty much everything you post comes from the right and hard right pro Trump side of American politics, your pushing the exact same narratives they do. You post the odd line critical of Trump here and their but the fact you felt compelled to start a thread about Pelosi's action on January 6th but nothing on Trump's far more grievous actions on January 6th tells me a lot about you.

Lol, of course they wouldn't ..... already the most investigated and targeted president in the history of the US.... pull the other one

Oh woe is poor old President Trump...the most victimised President since honest Abe. LOL

Lol, a bit late with this hey...

Yeah that's going nowhere.

Stooping really low here..... blatantly lying is not a trait I thought you had.

That's what the narrative is about. It's another cry of false equivalence and distraction. If you don't realize that then you really are being taking for a ride.

DA

You may not know but Pelosi is by a distacne th et House member i the USA.   So how did she get that rich and are there any other House members invovled in criminality?

The fiorst source of wealth remains insider trading - in other words before some financial obligations or contracts by the US Congress is unde consideration and sure to eb approved - her husband are informed what shares are to be bought and he invested millions in the benefitting company shares.   The latest effort was $10 million in Mircosoft a week before a R156 billion contract by the Defense force was awarded to Microsoft tio undertake an upgrading of their computerized system and $3 million in the musk company invovled in amnufature of electric driven cars in the USA from which the company would get massive grants,   He favorite sidekick in corruption Adam Schiff was into that one as well.   

So what has been proven was the following:-

Ukraine Corruption - Pelosi

In 2009 Pelosi's son Paul registered a private comapny in partnership with a Russian Oligarg from Moscow in California.  Because of breaches the Company reigistration was cancelled so Paul Junior and his Russian partnerr from Moscow moved the rgistration of the company to Singapore and Opened a bank account in a Singaore branch of a bank.  

After the coup in 2014 the Biden's gpt involved in Burisma - mainly in the field of oil and gas exploration    Paul Pelosi and Partner entered the same field.   Pelosi made a video in which she promoted the functioning of her son's company in similar activities in Ukraine.   He even had a few veichicles and otther equipment used in succh exploration activities.

When the first allocation of $1 billion in foreign aid was made by the USA  in 2014-15 was alloccated, the approval of allocation of funds was delegated to the US Ambassador in Kiev.   Paul Junior used his mother's video to get money from the US Aid grant and got an approval of $25 million for his company operations and payment of the $25 million ended up in the Singapore bank account of the company and from there vanished into thin air - while the company operations in Ukraine ceased.   

Schiff  Operations  

Schiff started his political career with hsi election expenses covered by Soros.   That went on until 2014 when his eelction expenses was covered by a Ukraine oligarg Stepanek who operated a major arms manuffactoring company in  Ukraine.  Initially Obama banned arerms funding to Ukraine - but when it ended the military aid grant funding was paid over to the Ukraine Government and from there in the main went to Stepanek's companies.

So how did the rbibe ssystem work?   Easy - Stepanek registered a subsidiary company i.n the USA on the Board of which two employees of Schiff served as Directors,   So kickbacks went from Stepanek to the subsidiary company and for there went to Pelosi and Schiff.

When Trump refused to pay cash grants to Ukraine in 2019 and 2020  because of the corruption involved, both Pelosi and Schiff found their cash cows not being paid - especially after an announcement by Trump that the $1 billion in aid would be spent by buying arms in the USA and sending those to Ukraine.

It was the latter decision that led to the fake impechment charge against Trump in 2020.   

Joint Pelosi and Schiff operation 

When rthe Russians invaded Ukraine in 2020 Congress approved a grant in budgetary support of $1 billion.   Three days later Pelosi and Sciff ended up in Ukraine and apaprantly pursuaded Zelenskyy to invest part of the grant in FTX - at that stage it was an invetment opportunity on the WEF website.   

It turned out that at least part of the $1 billion grant was invested in FTX who provide election aid of $70 million in election aid to the DNC - making it the seciond biggest contributior to the Democratic Party mid-year election funding - the biggest funder was George Soros at $157 million.    

When the FTX scandal broke out into the open - the FTX investment advisory page on the WEF  website was removed and to this day nobody knows where the grant money went to.   It si not clear how much of the $1 billion grant ended up being benefitted by Ukraine itslef and how much went astray in other corrupt activities by USA politicians and bureaucrats.

Instead of investigating it the Democrats and FBI  refuse to invesigate what happened to aid grants to Ukraine and no audit on that was allowed to happen.

In normal democratic countries such conduct would be investigated by the authorities - in the USA present banana  republic situation it is hushed up and not investigated because too many leading  politicians would be implicated in corruption.

Duplication

"To borrow one of your earlier quotes, pull the other one."

I see you missed it again ..... too funny, lol

 "It doesn't bother me"

Really.... well I am just ..... well... just flabbergasted .... my word... I couldn't tell.

Why is everything you post narratives that emanate from the right and far right of American politics.

With regards Fauci I long since stopped listening to people who attack him for lying as invariable its just the right wing in America lying and misrepresenting him and the scientific process to distract and provide a scapegoat from the Trump administrations incompetent handling of Covid 19 pandemic. 

As for Pelosi and January 6th, I know there was this long debunked narrative that Pelosi "deliberately" prevented the deployment of the national guard on January 6th. What Pelosi said in that recording doesn't provide any evidence that she did. Only that she felt responsible for not have the national guard their in the first place before the rioting (as in she should of saw the potential for this riot to occur due to Trump's words and actions).

But again this is another case of false equivalence and distraction. The far greater issue is Trump repeatedly lied to supporters about election fraud. Trump incited the rioters that day either unintentionally or intentionally. To me its beyond dispute that the events of January 6th would have not had occurred but for Trump's action after the election.  Pelosi shouldn't have to had been considering anything about the National Guard preventing a riot in the first place had Trump behaved responsibly after the election. All these shite conspiracies about Pelosi's actions or the rioters behind deliberately allowed to riot is just a smoke screen to protect Trump and give his supporters something to latch on too.

And yes I'm making assumptions about you due to the fact that pretty much everything you post comes from the right and hard right pro Trump side of American politics, your pushing the exact same narratives they do. You post the odd line critical of Trump here and their but the fact you felt compelled to start a thread about Pelosi's action on January 6th but nothing on Trump's far more grievous actions on January 6th tells me a lot about you.

Exactly the response I expected from you..... just more dribble..... so in other words, nowhere did I ever say, imply or even infer that the focus must now be solely on Nancy Pelosi for what transpired on the 6th January...... so just more long winded bullshit and lies from you.

"Only that she felt responsible for not have the national guard their in the first place before the rioting (as in she should of saw the potential for this riot to occur due to Trump's words and actions)."

"But again this is another case of false equivalence and distraction"

"Pelosi shouldn't have to had been considering anything about the National Guard preventing a riot in the first place"

Well hello ....I really thought you were smarter than this......Nancy Pelosi most definitely should have seen the potential for "this riot to occur", and of this, there is absolutely no shadow of a doubt in my mind.... 

There were various law enforcement agencies and security experts that had warned of potential violence based on the rhetoric and plans circulating on social media well before the election.

There were also smaller but similarly motivated incidents of violence and confrontations that had occurred weeks before leading up to January 6th, suggesting a risk of escalation.... so yes, she was monumentally stupid for not doing this, and especially not taking the Chief of Police for the capitol seriously when he repeatedly requested the national guard...

The FBI's Norfolk team had issued an internal report before the 6th January, warning of calls for violence and "war" at the capitol

The National Terrorism Advisory System also issued bulletins about possible domestic terrorism threats as well

The Capitol police themselves issued reports noting increased online threats highlighting concerns about the rally planned for the 6th January

The SITE Intelligence Group also shared concerns about potential actions on the 6th and shared this as well

ACLED also actually published reports on the heightened risk of political violence and unrest in the USA including specific and directed threats on the 6th January

The SPLC group also highlighted the mobilization of far-right and militia groups, noting their coordination and calls for action in Washington DC

So spare me the bullshit that Pelosi should or could not have had enough information and insight to actually put something in place to minimize or prevent the loss of lives .... you are now debating like a child here...

Whether with or without Trumps comments..... if you are warned about impending riots, "war" militia groups etc etc.... you act on it .... period..... stop sugar coating Pelosi's involvement in this.

Trump was at fault for flaming things up and inciting people with his posts and speeches, there is absolutely no doubt about that, he was reckless and stupid, but for you to say that Pelosi should or could not have anticipated anything at all happening or shouldn't have needed to consider anything regarding the safety of anyone at this event ..... or not known of any potential risks on this specific day.... is just downright stupid.

"To me its beyond dispute that the events of January 6th would have not had occurred but for Trump's action after the election"

Beyond dispute my ass ....

Trump was certainly reckless with some comments that he made, in fact he was downright stupid at times, but if the necessary people in place could not see what the potential was of something happening at the capitol on that day, especially given the already high volatile public atmosphere and also all the various different security organization's assessments and reports that were provided before the 6th January.....and put the national guard in place, then 9 people might still be alive today.

"That's what the narrative is about"

To be more precise, this is what your narrative is about...... stooping to just bullshit and lies now ......

Stav

Just a question - w here did you get the BS from you write on site.  First of all even the legal advisor of CNN said the way the trial evidence of Daniels and Cohen was BS and stated that on TV as well.   Most of the legal opinions on the New York cases were critical of what happened - whether they were from all sources - not only the so-called far right legal experts you claimed expressed opinions on the issue.   What in fact happened is that opinion polls indicated Biden is a bigger threat to Democracy in the USA than Trump is - the poll was done midway through the Bragg case trial.

There were no lies froma anybody about Fauci.   He was and ran for cover by lying about the gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Lab and was Trumps advisor on dealing  with Covid until September 2020 - so Trump is getting  blamed for failing to deal with Covid based on the advice he was given by Fauci, So further - what was the failures you blame Trump for?

In terms of the Constitution of the USA health si a State fuction and th e role of the central government is to rovide aid to States who ahd difficulties in handling the isue of Covid.  Whjatever the vcarious State Governments requestedf was given by Trump.   That was confirmed by Newsom as an example.   The bigest bugger-ups happened in Democratic States like New York and Michigan  where thousands of the elderly died when the nursing homes where they stay was flooded with Covid infected people and thousands died as a result of the pandemic they picked up in nursing homes.

Aside from the above Trump was pressing the relevant Committee dealing with new drugs to expedite their approval of the Covid vaccines - which representsed his second role in the pandemic itself after provision all the assistance requested by States in the form of additional funding.

The BS about Trumps handling of the apndemic started when Trump within a week from finding out that President Xi was lying to him about the pandemci impact to ban all travellers other than US citizens travelling from China to the USA of entering the country.   Trump was promptly accused by the Demcorats and th e media of being a racist.   When he banned travelling from Europe the Governor of New York held multi-ublic meetings to protest the ban and invited all travellers to New York publicly.

So how did Trump buggered up the handling of the Covid Pandemic - please provide us with real evidence as to what he has done wrong.   

As to election fraud - in an opinion poll by various institutions - 1% of the voters nbeleive there was widespread election fraud by the Democrats in the 2020 election - and those stating that includes not only Republican Party members - but also Democrats and Independents.   The only difference is that 18% of the participants in the pole stated that the fraud was not enough to change the election outcome.   So lets consider the following as well:-

*   The Demcorats never accepted the Bush win in 2000 and took the matter to teh Constitutional Court in the end.

*   Clinton never accepted the 2016 elction and together with the Obama Adminsitration and the FBI and CIA started lies about Trump being a foreign agent and tried to get rid of him as President that way.    The lies impacted on the Trump Adminsitration all the times eh was President.   That is far more serious a unconstitutional attack on democracy than anything Trump did and what is going on now is totally unheard of ever in the history of the USA. 

By the way in the case of 14 of he 23 cases laid by Trump as to election fraud by the Demcorats in States controlled by them the Courts ruled in favor of Trump - but the Democrats controlling the States ignored the rulings based on the election laws of the states involved.    Th e fact is the rulings were ignored and the Biden Justice Department was to charge the States concerned with criminality in those cases.   So try again - too many people in the USA thinks there were fraud in the 2020 election and I rather believe the opinion polls outcomes that shocked for instance NBC tan your emdia sources that you beleive in totally.  

DA provided full details about what actually ahppened invovling Trump himself - days before the incidents on January 6 Trump phoned Pelosi and offered her the usage of the National Guard to protect the Capitol.  That is a fact as well and was proven in teh House hearings under oath that the call was made and ignored by Pelosi.   Trump also warned attendees of the meeting on 6 January that he would not prevent them to go tinto Washington to protest after themeeting - but in his speech eh also warned them to do nothing illegal during the protests - that was in hsi recorded speech as well.

In any event what ahppened was apart of charges laid by Smith against Trump - but the case is unravelling since there si noe vience that Trump ordered the meeting attendents not to do anything illegal why protesting - pointing out what happened in teh 2020 riots organized and funded by the Democrats three months earlier in US cities all over the country - when 46 people were murdered by rioters - 1200 policemen seriosuly injured through usage of guns and Molotov cocktails provided to the rioters on an organized basis - and over $5 billion damages were caused through looting and arson.   Despite restrictions for the Police to act against rioting in Democratical controlled States and Cities the Police arrested 1500 rioters.   The Democrats refuse to subject the riots to a House investigation and released the arrested rioters without charging them for law contraventions - even those acccused of murder and attacks on the Police was released in the process.

          .                   

Exactly the response I expected from you..... just more dribble..... so in other words, nowhere did I ever say, imply or even infer that the focus must now be solely on Nancy Pelosi for what transpired on the 6th January...... so just more long winded bullshit and lies from you.

Did I use the word solely?

Well hello ....I really thought you were smarter than this......Nancy Pelosi most definitely should have seen the potential for "this riot to occur", and of this, there is absolutely no shadow of a doubt in my mind.... 

There were various law enforcement agencies and security experts that had warned of potential violence based on the rhetoric and plans circulating on social media well before the election.

There were also smaller but similarly motivated incidents of violence and confrontations that had occurred weeks before leading up to January 6th, suggesting a risk of escalation.... so yes, she was monumentally stupid for not doing this, and especially not taking the Chief of Police for the capitol seriously when he repeatedly requested the national guard...

The FBI's Norfolk team had issued an internal report before the 6th January, warning of calls for violence and "war" at the capitol

The National Terrorism Advisory System also issued bulletins about possible domestic terrorism threats as well

The Capitol police themselves issued reports noting increased online threats highlighting concerns about the rally planned for the 6th January

The SITE Intelligence Group also shared concerns about potential actions on the 6th and shared this as well

ACLED also actually published reports on the heightened risk of political violence and unrest in the USA including specific and directed threats on the 6th January

The SPLC group also highlighted the mobilization of far-right and militia groups, noting their coordination and calls for action in Washington DC

So spare me the bullshit that Pelosi should or could not have had enough information and insight to actually put something in place to minimize or prevent the loss of lives .... you are now debating like a child here.

I didn't argue whether or not she should have had enough information or insight that she ought to have known there was potential for something like this to happen. I'd arguing she should never have been put into that position in the first place, she only was because of Trump's actions.

Beyond dispute my ass ....

Trump was certainly reckless with some comments that he made, in fact he was downright stupid at times, but if the necessary people in place could not see what the potential was of something happening at the capitol on that day, especially given the already high volatile public atmosphere and also all the various different security organization's assessments and reports that were provided before the 6th January.....and put the national guard in place, then 9 people might still be alive today.

I'm literally starting to think I'm going crazy listening to his. Look at where your putting you focus on.

This is the equivalent of a family member of of yours being killed or seriously injured in a terrorist attack. You find out that there was potential security lapses that could of prevented the attack from happening. Quite rightly you are angry at this and want those responsible for the security lapse to be held accountable. But you don't actually seem to give a f**k that the terrorist responsible for the actual attack is still on the loose. That's the level of logic we are at here. Cocaine logic.

Just answer me this one simple god damn question. Had Trump not repeatedly told his supporters that the election was stolen and/or that they should fight like hell, do you think the events of January 6th would have happened?

To be more precise, this is what your narrative is about...... stooping to just bullshit and lies now ......

Maybe one day you will figure out I'm not the one lying to you, its the people spoon feeding you this alt right wing crap you keep posting up here.

"Did I use the word solely?"

No... you just very deliberately and deceitfully made me out to have said something that I very clearly didn't, something you specifically mentioned in two separate posts.... much like you did with Bec's one comment the other day as well, you just can't help yourself.

"Just answer me this one simple god damn question. Had Trump not repeatedly told his supporters that the election was stolen and/or that they should fight like hell, do you think the events of January 6th would have happened?"

The answer is that we both don't know, so don't pretend that you do, which you have always done.....that is the overwhelming difference between me and you.....I don't know what would have happened, and I will openly say so..... because even if Trump never said a single word, he still lost the election and in many people's eyes, that alone could have been enough to riot on the 6th January.....who knows.....but you carry on like you know for absolute certainty that it wouldn't have happened... which is bullshit.....again, you know everything don't you.

"This is the equivalent of a family member of of yours being killed or seriously injured in a terrorist attack. You find out that there was potential security lapses that could of prevented the attack from happening. Quite rightly you are angry at this and want those responsible for the security lapse to be held accountable. But you don't actually seem to give a f**k that the terrorist responsible for the actual attack is still on the loose. That's the level of logic we are at here. Cocaine logic."

No, this is your logic.

Let me now ask you a question.....and for once just take Trump out of the equation, because you always run back to him to change the direction of the discussion.

Was Nancy Pelosi responsible for why 9 people died from what transpired on January the 6th.

"Maybe one day you will figure out I'm not the one lying to you, its the people spoon feeding you this alt right wing crap you keep posting up here"

Nah, I pretty much have you figured out by now

No... 

So you're admitting to lying.

you just very deliberately and deceitfully made me out to have said something that I very clearly didn't, something you specifically mentioned in two separate posts.... much like you did with Bec's one comment the other day as well, you just can't help yourself.

This Pelosi video and how its being presented is just the latest addition to this alt right wing narrative that Trump is being unfairly treated.  Its framing is designed to specifically shift the focus of blame onto Pelosi or muddy the waters to allow Trump supporters to argue sure January 6th may have been partially Trump's fault but Pelosi is as much too blame.

Also I stand by comments about Bec. When you and him repeatedly use the same right wing narratives and talking point albeit for different countries, I think well if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck.

The answer is that we both don't know, so don't pretend that you do, which you have always done.....that is the overwhelming difference between me and you.....I don't know what would have happened, and I will openly say so.....because even if Trump never said a single word, he still lost the election and in many people's eyes, that alone could have been enough to riot on the 6th January.....who knows.....but you carry on like you know for absolute certainty that it wouldn't have happened... which is bullshit.....again, you know everything don't you.

Now I'm flabbergasted. You'd have to be a card carrying cult member and total ideologue to not think Trump was the person responsible for Jan 6th. Its like the grass being green or the sky being blue. This is going beyond farcical now. Even if there was any credibility to claim that Trump loosing the election on its own was enough for his supporters to riot, the blame would still be on Trump because that would of been because it was him that spent 4 years putting idea's into their heads.

No, this is your logic.

Let me now ask you a question.....and for once just take Trump out of the equation, because you always run back to him to change the direction of the discussion.

Was Nancy Pelosi responsible for why 9 people died from what transpired on January the 6th.

More insanity, can we please exclude the person directly responsible for January 6th so we can get back to blaming the scapegoat. No Pelosi was not responsible for 9 people dying on January 6th, she wasn't responsible for security in the Capitol building on January 6th, she did not incite the rioters and she not did prevent the national guard from being called in. 

She might have had the power and influence to call in the national guard before the riots happened with maybe a few other politicians as well but it wasn't her job. That video footage of her may simply be a person blaming themselves in a stressful heat of the moment situation, for something while not technically their responsibility for something they probably had the power to do something about.

Nah, I pretty much have you figured out by now

I'm secretly Joe Biden.

Stav

I asked you at ;elast 20 times before - what Law did Trump broke leading to the New York tral - you should by now be able to give and explanation on that one,    

"So you're admitting to lying"

Not at all, and if you really want to prove me wrong on this, just point me to someone else that you have mentioned besides Pelosi.....maybe I missed it.... because if you can't do that, then yes, you have solely only referred to Nancy Pelosi.

"This Pelosi video and how its being presented is just the latest addition to this alt right wing narrative that Trump is being unfairly treated.  Its framing is designed to specifically shift the focus of blame onto Pelosi or muddy the waters to allow Trump supporters to argue sure January 6th may have been partially Trump's fault but Pelosi is as much too blame."

Lol, let's not look at all the evidence then, that contributed to 9 people losing their lives..... just that evidence which involves Trump hey ..... typical naive response.

For example:

Since you like to use analogies..... Let's say a drunk driver hits a car head on, with 5 people in it.

The ambulance arrives on scene, but the paramedic decides to take his time, and very slowly examines the scene, and the people involved in the accident, but does not call for backup to attend to the many injured and dying people.

It is later found, after a full investigation was done, that if the necessary care had been given in that crucial golden hour, and backup was summoned in time.... all 5 people could have survived the accident.... but because the attending paramedic took his time, and did not call for any backup in a timeous manner, only two people survived the accident, and three people unnecessarily died due to the slow response of urgent medical assistance.......

You see....not only were Pelosi and her people warned in advance of serious potential issues on January 6th, but they were also informed of this many many times .... on the very day before the violence actually happened.....but no, they are not responsible for anything at all..... it's all Trump.

It's a very stupid outlook to have.

"Also I stand by comments about Bec. When you and him repeatedly use the same right wing narratives and talking point albeit for different countries, I think well if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck."

WTF are you on about.....

"Now I'm flabbergasted. You'd have to be a card carrying cult member and total ideologue to not think Trump was the person responsible for Jan 6th. Its like the grass being green or the sky being blue. This is going beyond farcical now. Even if there was any credibility to claim that Trump loosing the election on its own was enough for his supporters to riot, the blame would still be on Trump because that would of been because it was him that spent 4 years putting idea's into their heads."

You are being incredibly stupid and very naive here, and it shows just how fixated you really are on just the man himself...

Why don't you take a little bit of time and actually research what the potential American public attitude and unrest was like well before January the 6th or before any comments made by Trump .... but do it without including the name Donald Trump... take the blinkers off for once....because there are many.... many reasons why the people were worked up, pissed off, and downright angry at their country and government....... but no...... you only see Donald Trump..... I had already researched this when I posted my responses to some questions posed on here ......I can clearly see now that you are just fixated on the man Trump......but why don't you take the time to actually look into it.... without involving the "bad man Trump" and it might actually just open your eyes which have biasedly been closed for such a long time now.

"More insanity, can we please exclude the person directly responsible for January 6th so we can get back to blaming the scapegoat"

Typical response...... only ..... only ....look at Trump, and that is why 9 people died...... and again, it just shows your one eyed determination to blame Trump for everything.... whereas I can blame Trump, but also look at how those lives could have been spared, if people had actually taken some responsibility on the day that it happened and done their job like that paramedic I referred to... and yes, Nancy Pelosi was one of them.

"That video footage of her may simply be a person blaming themselves in a stressful heat of the moment situation, for something while not technically their responsibility for something they probably had the power to do something about."

Probably ..... LOL

Heat of the moment ..... LOL

"I'm secretly Joe Biden"

Sjoh...... this explains so much

Not at all, and if you really want to prove me wrong on this, just point me to someone else that you have mentioned besides Pelosi.....maybe I missed it.... because if you can't do that, then yes, you have solely only referred to Nancy Pelosi.

Yes you did. I never said the word solely.

Lol, let's not look at all the evidence then, that contributed to 9 people losing their lives..... just that evidence which involves Trump hey ..... typical naive response.

For example:

Since you like to use analogies..... Let's say a drunk driver hits a car head on, with 5 people in it.

A drunk driver who in this case is Donald Trump.

The ambulance arrives on scene, but the paramedic decides to take his time, and very slowly examines the scene, and the people involved in the accident, but does not call for backup to attend to the many injured and dying people.

It is later found, after a full investigation was done, that if the necessary care had been given in that crucial golden hour, and backup was summoned in time.... all 5 people could have survived the accident.... but because the attending paramedic took his time, and did not call for any backup in a timeous manner, only two people survived the accident, and three people unnecessarily died due to the slow response of urgent medical assistance.......

You see....not only were Pelosi and her people warned in advance of serious potential issues on January 6th, but they were also informed of this many many times .... on the very day before the violence actually happened.....but no, they are not responsible for anything at all..... it's all Trump.

And the drunk driver was just reckless and stupid right?

I'm going to explain this as clear as I possibly can.

Donald Trump either intentionally or unintentionally incited a riot on January 6th, whether or not there was security lapses is an important but its secondary issue to who was responsible for the actual inciting the riot. Absolutely if there was security lapses they should be investigated but it does not change the fact that the man primarily responsible for the riot was Trump himself. Those security lapses would never have occurred if not for Trump's action in inciting the riot.

Security on January 6th was not Nancy Pelosi's job or responsibility.

She did not stop/delay the deployment of the National guard.

WTF are you on about.....

Both yourself and Bec's use the same standard narratives that emanate from the political right, just from different countries. 

From you we get the various narratives about how Trump is treated is a double standard. From Bec's its the its the usual standard soundbites of "sure it would be worse under Labour"  and "ah sure all the parties are the same" (referring to corruption). 

You are being incredibly stupid and very naive here, and it shows just how fixated you really are on just the man himself...

Why don't you take a little bit of time and actually research what the potential American public attitude and unrest was like well before January the 6th or before any comments made by Trump ....

 Leaving aside Trump did make comments about election fraud, in fact he spent months doing so, which I think you'd have to be more than a little navie to believe his comments didn't incite the riot. Who was driving that public attitude and unrest for 4 years. That's not to say that America wasn't divided long before Trump got into power, but he made the division much worse. Remember when you cited that poll (think it was Pew research) that cited the various issues the public ranked Trump ahead of Biden on them. You left out the single one Biden lead Trump on, the issue of extremism. 

but do it without including the name Donald Trump... take the blinkers off for once....because there are many.... many reasons why the people were worked up, pissed off, and downright angry at their country and government

But Trump was the government at this point!  And coursed they where pissed off, he made them pissed off and angry.

....... but no...... you only see Donald Trump..... I had already researched this when I posted my responses to some questions posed on here ......I can clearly see now that you are just fixated on the man Trump......but why don't you take the time to actually look into it.... without involving the "bad man Trump" and it might actually just open your eyes which have biasedly been closed for such a long time now.

Look I'm really sorry about this but when talking about January 6th its exceptionally f**king hard not to talk about Donald Trump, the man that spent much of the election campaign talking about election fraud, calling the result fraudulent after the election was over and telling his supporters to fight like hell. In my view and I believe its a view shared by a considerable  majority of people in Western countries, he is the man overwhelming responsible for what happened on January 6th, his words incited that riot. If he goes to court in connection with January 6th, I'd be shocked if he was acquitted. 

Do you have any idea how ridiculously partisan you come across when you keep asking for Donald Trump actions on January 6th to be put aside so we can focus on a secondary issue.

As for being fixated on him. Not really, I'd much rather he was consigned to the dustbin of history but this forum primarily discusses politics and Donald Trump regardless of how one feels about him is a major person in politics at the moment and often in the news. If you want to call me fixated on the man, I can say your fixated on pushing narratives that imply Trump is the victim of double standard. You accept without any critical thinking any narrative the right wing put forward in defence of Trump or critical of the Democrats. 

Typical response...... only ..... only ....look at Trump, and that is why 9 people died...... and again, it just shows your one eyed determination to blame Trump for everything.... whereas I can blame Trump, 

Again where did I say only look at Trump. I don't blame Trump for everything. I look at each situation individually and weight up the evidence. I do blame him for January 6th, he is primarily to blame for it in my view. That's not to say the response to the riots doesn't need to be investigated but its a secondary issue to who actually caused the riots.

but also look at how those lives could have been spared, if people had actually taken some responsibility on the day that it happened and done their job like that paramedic I referred to... and yes, Nancy Pelosi was one of them.

Yes all those lives could have been spared had Trump not talked about election fraud and accepted the results of the election instead of inciting a riot.

And once again, Nancy Pelosi was not responsible for security on January 6th.

Probably ..... LOL

Heat of the moment ..... LOL

You don't have any coherent arguments do you?

Sjoh...... this explains so much

Come on man, No Malarkey!

Stav

Why  are you, unable to answer a simple question - WHAT L;AW DID TRUMP BREAK ON  WHICH HIS GUILTY CHARGE WERE BASED.

If you cannot answer that simple question - you should stop waffling about the issue.     

Sure - you do not know - and one can expect only leftwing  and ultra-leftwing media propaganda BS  from you.    Unless you can answer that simple question - any further discussion is just about as ignorant as you were about the Russian Hoax issue. 

Trying to engage ou Maaik on any topic is invariably fruitless.

It's not just that he's too fundamentally stupid to umderstand anything you're trying to say, but if he does ever indicate that he requires clarity or help trying to understand the issue (in ou Maaik's case, this can be measured by the amount of drool collecting on his chin), he is so inarticulate and his language skills are so poor - not to mention his typing ability which can be compared to a wombat wearing boxing gloves trying to solder a pin on a microchip - that one is left trying to decipher gibberish by finding context between the tiny minority of words that are actually imtelligible.

It really isn't worth the effort.

"Do you have any idea how ridiculously partisan you come across when you keep asking for Donald Trump actions on January 6th to be put aside so we can focus on a secondary issue."

The exact opposite is true here..... it shows extremely clearly just how horribly fixated you are on the man.... it seriously does.

"As for being fixated on him. Not really"

LMFAO ... yeah, your posts are very impartial

"Security on January 6th was not Nancy Pelosi's job or responsibility.

She did not stop/delay the deployment of the National guard"

Says who..... you?

I was just waiting and expecting for you to pull this point up.....it didn't take long

On the day we are referring to, January the 6th .... Nancy Pelosi put herself in the security decision process and her sergeant at arms denied any requests for support before and during the January 6th riots

I suggest you get your facts straight before making statements like this .... but hold on .....no wait..... it was Trump again wasn't it..

"Donald Trump either intentionally or unintentionally incited a riot on January 6th"

Nancy Pelosi either intentionally or unintentionally did not call on the national guard in time...

I can also play this game

"You don't have any coherent arguments do you?"

Not at all, I just don't want to carry on with someone who is just so fixated on one man, that he refuses to see any other issue or opinion surrounding that individual..... you have absolutely no idea at all just how you come across when you speak about Donald Trump, in any situation at all....

I have discussed previous faults of Trump, and placed blame on him and elsewhere, but you mostly just refuse to, because you are so blinded by your dislike of the man, and all your previous posts about him or anything referring to him makes this very crystal clear.... so why even bother

"Again where did I say only look at Trump"

Because you only look at Trump..... and always have.....and I genuinely believe that if you could blame him for anything Clinton, Biden or Obama did, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that you would... such is your fixation and dislike of him.

"And once again, Nancy Pelosi was not responsible for security on January 6th."

And once again, I suggest you get your facts straight...... since you keep telling all and sundry to do just this..... all the time

"Come on man, No Malarkey!"

Come on man....No Sarcasm ..

Trying to engage DumbAss isn't much more rewarding.

He doesn't care how stupid his reasoning is as long as he sounds like a tough guy.

What DumbAss is basically saying here is pretty much like saying let's examine World War 2 but no-one is allowed to mention Hitler because everyone hates him and he's been done to death . . . but let's discuss WW2 anyway.

D A

Stav cannot answer anything I wrote becxause eh si caught in a trap of leftwing and ultra-leftwing  media using  brainwashing on any issue.   

S tav is a coward nd won't answer one question pertaining to the chargesw Trump was found guilty on.   You ask him what Law Trump broke in the case of the New York show trial.  

I want to remind you in this regard that the Judge in his final instruction to the jiury said there could be diferences of opinion on the law issue - so they must find Trump guilty based on what the evidence the Prosecutor provided.   So the Judge himself said they must ignore what Law Trump broke.    That in he first instance was an illegal instruction to the Jury.

So you ask Stav  what LAW  Trump broke- maybe he would be prepared to answer you - but I doubt whether he would respond to you in that regard because the ulktra-left media hid that fact from their gullible adherents.           

Says who..... you?

Say's reality. Security on that day would of been the responsibility of the Capital Police Board, which oversees the US Capitol Police and approves requests for Nation Guard assistance. The speaker of the house does not oversee the Capital Police Board.

On the day we are referring to, January the 6th .... Nancy Pelosi put herself in the security decision process and her sergeant at arms denied any requests for support before and during the January 6th riots

Her Sergant at arms. Bullshit misrepresentation.

Its true to say that she appointed one of the 4 members of the Capital Police Board, the House Sergeant at Arms, in this case Paul Irving, but his position also has to be confirmed by the House which it was unanimously. In addition Irving was not originally nominated by Pelosi but by the then Republican House speaker John Boehner back in 2012. In addition Paul Irving was retained in his role in 5 more votes by the house, Pelosi was only involved in 2 of those. So its a gross misrepresentation to say that he was "her sergeant at arms". She was not involved with the appointment of the other 3 members of the Capital Police Board.

This basically covers all the bullshit points your making about denying requests for the National Guard on January 6th, long and short of it, there is no evidence to verify such a claim. 

**Note my mistake read that wrong, there was a request to bring in the Nation Guard made to the two Sergeant at Arms two days before on January 4th from Steven Sund the Capital City police chief. Irving felt the situation didn't warrant it but did ask that Sund seek the opinion of Senate Sergeant at Arms Michael Stenger, Stenger also didn't give approval but did ask how quickly the National Guard could be deployed and to lean forward (i.e. be prepared) if a request is raised. (Incidentally Stenger was nominated for the position by Mitch McConnell and unanimously approved the by the senate).

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/republicans-shaky-no-evidence-attempt-to-cast-blame-on-pelosi-for-jan-6/

I suggest you get your facts straight before making statements like this .... but hold on.....no wait..... it was Trump again wasn't it..

The irony.

Nancy Pelosi either intentionally or unintentionally did not call on the national guard in time...

I can also play this game

Pelosi gave her permission when asked for it. Its not clear that her permission was even necessary though and the permission of two other people was also sought.

Not at all, I just don't want to carry on with someone who is just so fixated on one man, that he refuses to see any other issue or opinion surrounding that individual..... you have absolutely no idea at all just how you come across when you speak about Donald Trump, in any situation at all....

I have discussed previous faults of Trump, and placed blame on him and elsewhere, but you mostly just refuse to, because you are so blinded by your dislike of the man, and all your previous posts about him or anything referring to him makes this very crystal clear.... so why even bother

More deflection. Everything you post is just far right wing tabloid gutter trash that doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny. When that's rather easily exposed all you have got is the fall back of "ah you just dislike the man and that's blinding you to the truth", which is just the standard excuse right wing Trump supporters bring out, its just a pants on head retarded rebuttal that's up there with "orange man bad". 

And your token criticisms of Trump are not fooling anyone into thinking your offering a balanced opinion. Not when nearly all your posts are right wing talking points. 

Because you only look at Trump..... and always have.....and I genuinely believe that if you could blame him for anything Clinton, Biden or Obama did, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that you would... such is your fixation and dislike of him.

No I only point out the bullshit false equivalence arguments the right wing keep on coming up with to protect Trump. I notice you still have acknowledged Obama and McCain where treated the same way over election campaign violations. But yeah you keep evading and telling yourself I'm just blinded by hatred of the man.

And once again, I suggest you get your facts straight...... since you keep telling all and sundry to do just this..... all the time

Good lord man, just check it and stop digging the hole deeper.

Rooidoos

You are repeatiung  BS  on site shows  you know fuck all about everything  involved.    I stick to legal facts - you stick to propagamdqa BS  cfrom the elftist and ultra-leftist media.   

Remind me again how you repeated all the Russian Hoax BS on site was true - while it was based on lies concocted by the Democrats.    You fell for those lies totally and even recently came up with the same unproven BS.

There is one thing in the world I despise tand that is spreading lies and that represent  your whole approach.   A twisted mind brings in WW2 on an issue I never discussed anywhere and your real problem is that Biden is equal corrupt shit to criminals worldwide - inclusive of your heroes Stalin and Mao Zedung.

      .              

What DumbAss is basically saying here is pretty much like saying let's examine World War 2 but no-one is allowed to mention Hitler because everyone hates him and he's been done to death . . . but let's discuss WW2 anyway.

LOL, wating for the "moustached man bad" rebuttal. 

But yeah Hitlers armies might have just invaded those countries on their own even if he had said nothing.

inclusive of your heroes Stalin and Mao Zedung.

Mao Zedung ?

G o and check your sapelling please.   Look it up on the internet please.

I'll make it a quick and easy response

A suppressed video which recently came out, is what they are referring to in this statement from the United States House Of Representatives below..., which is also why the sub-committee had to contact HBO directly and legally request this video and possibly a lot of other documents, videos and files from the HBO archives.

900 interviews and over 100 deleted encrypted documents and over 1 terabyte of data was not archived as it should have been ....which is very convenient.

The then vice-chair Liz Cheney and Chair Benny Thompson had this footage of Nancy Pelosi leaving the capitol on the day of the riots, but they very conveniently decided not to make it available to anyone.

Here is the letter sent to HBO by the Sub-Committee Chairman Barry Loudermilk, requesting they comply with the sub-committee's requirements. 

HBO Letter

Here is the statement from the United States House Of Representatives Sub-Committee

There are other videos that Alexandra Pelosi took, which don't do her or her mother any favours...

Here is another leaked video of Alexandra Pelosi..... Nancy's daughter..... talking on film, with one of the January 6th defendants from the capitol riot.... about non-existent fair trials in DC..... the political January 6th hysteria......the baseless insurrection farce.... and about the Proud Boys and Gavin McInnes.....being labelled White Supremacists just for political reasons.

Now why would she admit to this.......?

Video One

So .....

Despite the House Of Representatives Sub Committee's findings against Nancy Pelosi, and also Pelosi herself admitting on tape that as the Speaker Of The House.... she is personally responsible for the security failures at the capitol, and also responsible for not having the national guard at the Capitol..... and including the absolute waste of $20 million on trying to blame all of this on Donald Trump ... do you still want to dispute that Nancy Pelosi was not responsible for what happened on the 6th January?........

Let's also include these verbatim quotes from the current Sub-Committee chairman Barry Loudermilk, on just some of their official findings from this investigation.

"The Democrats’ partisan select committee went to great lengths to suppress and hide evidence that didn’t support their predetermined narrative about that day, including this video of Speaker Pelosi admitting that she was responsible for the security failures at the Capitol. My committee will continue to investigate and expose all the facts. The American people deserve the truth.”

"This video shows Pelosi in a moment of leadership acknowledging that as Speaker of the House it was her responsibility to ensure the safety of Members of Congress that day and every other day.  However, Pelosi never publicly took responsibility. Instead, Pelosi created the January 6 Select Committee with the purpose of publicly blaming Donald Trump for her own failures." 

"Despite Pelosi’s claims yesterday on MSNBC that Republicans are engaging in revisionist history, this clip proves what Republicans have said for three years: it is Pelosi who has been determined to revise history and shift the blame away from herself for security failures at the Capitol on January 6"

I have also checked numerous reputable news outlets around the world, who have all run with basically the same headline.... that Nancy Pelosi admits responsibility for what happened at the capitol on January the 6th.

You see Stav... I already told you previously that I expected you to bring this specific point up in our discussion at some point.....because that is precisely why I mentioned it a few times in my posts.......and I also fully and completely anticipated this response from you in advance.....and you went for it....all gung ho..... boy did you jump for it...... it took a bit long, but we did get there eventually.... LOL ....

It was a seriously fun setup..... and it was bloody hilarious when you responded with this.

Says who..... you?

"Say's reality"

Not sure what reality you live in .....unlike you I was dealing with facts

Here is where I anticipated it....... as I said, the setup was fun while it lasted.

"I was just waiting and expecting for you to pull this point up.....it didn't take long"

I also quite kindly and generously gave you many different opportunities to look into this specific issue itself...properly, to possibly correct yourself....by telling you multiple times to do your research properly.... but you knew better.

"I suggest you get your facts straight before making statements like this"

And again here

"And once again, I suggest you get your facts straight...... since you keep telling all and sundry to do just this..... all the time"

Then you try and insult me with this statement

"This basically covers all the bullshit points your making about denying requests for the National Guard on January 6th, long and short of it, there is no evidence to verify such a claim."

And then here.... I guess the scrutiny finally stood up?

"Everything you post is just far right wing tabloid gutter trash that doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny"

I guess nobody needs to protect Trump now, as per below statement from you....now that the truth has come out.... no?

"No I only point out the bullshit false equivalence arguments the right wing keep on coming up with to protect Trump"

Lastly, this

"Good lord man, just check it and stop digging the hole deeper"

LMFAO..... yeah, there is a monumental hole here......and you are currently looking up at me from the bottom of it..... stop digging dude..... just stop period.

So Stav.... I will ask you this again...... was Nancy Pelosi responsible for what occurred regarding the security of the people at the capitol on January the 6th, including the deployment on the national guard....at the capitol, on January the 6th.... yes or no

Here is another leaked video of Alexandra Pelosi..... Nancy's daughter..... talking on film, with one of the January 6th defendants from the capitol riot.... about non-existent fair trials in DC..... the political January 6th hysteria......the baseless insurrection farce.... and about the Proud Boys and Gavin McInnes.....being labelled White Supremacists just for political reasons.

Now why would she admit to this.......?

The video is gone.

Despite the House Of Representatives Sub Committee's findings against Nancy Pelosi,

Nothing more than partisan politics and blame shifting from the side that caused the riots on January 6th.

and also Pelosi herself admitting on tape that as the Speaker Of The House.... she is personally responsible for the security failures at the capitol

She can admit it 100,000 times, it doesn't change the fact that security for the Capital on January 6th wasn't her responsibility, all that video shows is someone being angry at themselves in hindsight for not seeing the riot coming. There is a difference between someone who probably had enough influence given their position to do something and someone or some people who have the designated responsibility.

and also responsible for not having the national guard at the Capitol....

She's not responsible for not having the national guard. That's just a lie at this point.

. and including the absolute waste of $20 million on trying to blame all of this on Donald Trump

LOL what is with this forum and its formatting. 

I rate Politifact equal in propaganda BS spreading ahead of news.   

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You think Pelosi is not a massive crook and corrupt mostly drunk women so spare us posting s on her on site,   Incidentally she is not only a con But it would have saved more than a $500 million fro loote and corrupt trnsactions at the expense of the taxpayers of the US A.   

Go Donald, give'm he'll...and make America great again!!! Screw the haters.

'A cult to a thug' .................

Nah...he's not who you think...no saint,  but not the devil either...far from it.

I wouot support a crook wh o operte shelf companies into which bribes are paid  and  hen Ttransfer to the Biden cime family - a real rook.  There is not any evidence of Trump being a thug.   There is bank statements galore to prove Biden is a crook and suffering from dementia and be controlled by Soros and Gates.  

So what cult are you talking about - there is none at all in the poitical scene bar th e terrorist subsidiaries of the Demcoratic Party - Antifa and BLM ued by them foir rioting purposes known as murderers and attacks on police and innoent people.         

ccl

Go and check your sapelling please.   Look it up on the internet please.

Has to be the laugh of the century.

Tx ou Mickey you've done it again.