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An interesting technical read on the Virus.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Apr 2020, 05:49
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30 Apr 2020, 05:49#1
John PeabodyFollowApr 26 · 13 min read

The coronavirus COVID-19 potentially activates preexisting mycobacteria in a coinfection scenario.

By John D. Peabody III, PhD., Esq.

April 26, 2020*

At least some of the coronavirus pandemic morbidity may be attributable to an indirect second order effect that is based on coinfection with a mycobacteria. The mycobacterial infection is a preexisting condition that may be active or a latent-persistent untreated infection and includes both tuberculosis and non-tuberculosis mycobacterial infections.

The ongoing coronavirus pandemic appears to be caused by a coronavirus infection (now dubbed COVID-19) that in some patients causes rapid extreme lung damage and results in terminal pulmonary system failure. There is growing compelling evidence that experimental off-label use of two old drugs in combination (hydroxychloroquine an old antimalarial drug and azithromycin a macrocyclic antibiotic) can be useful for treatment and/or prophylaxis of acute severe COVID-19 coronavirus infections. [1]

The question is why would an antiparasitic (hydroxychloroquine) and an antibiotic (azithromycin) alone or in combination have antiviral activity against this specific coronavirus? It would be extremely unlikely that two old antimicrobial drugs with historically different (typically non-antiviral activities) would by serendipity have a direct antiviral effect (i.e. have direct antiviral biological activity) against the COVID-19 virus. This question naturally leads us to considering the potential mechanism of action of hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin in severe presentations of the COVID-19 infection.

The current thinking (not the only one) is that a side-effect of hydroxychloroquine is responsible for an indirect COVID-19 antiviral effect and azithromycin (a broad spectrum antibiotic) is along for the ride simply as a precaution to prevent potential bacterial infection of the lungs [2]. This is a good start at unpacking the situation, but I am not so sure this really gets at what is happening or explains why in certain patients there can be a sudden progressive unstoppable catastrophic degradation in pulmonary function and other organ failure.

My sense is that simple idiopathic coronavirus viremia is entirely inadequate at this point to explain the ongoing instances of extreme morbidity of COVID-19 infection in certain patients. A possible theory for COVID-19 pathology can be inferred and correlates nicely with the appropriate understanding of a cooperative mechanism of action of the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin that is consistent with the well-known biological activities of these drugs, in the context of a potential pre-existing coinfection (e.g. mycobacterial infection).

The mounting circumstantial evidence points to coinfection by COVID-19 with a preexisting mycobacterial infection that can supercharge the latter so as to cause rapid conjoined bacterial and viral based pulmonary damage and other organ failure. Connecting the circumstantial evidence goes as follows:

(a) Mycobacterial infections (including tuberculosis) exist either as active or persistent latent infections in a certain segment of the population.

(b) Mycobacteria need a source of free-ionic iron to support microbial processes in order for the infection to proliferate in the host system. [3]

(c) Normal human blood plasma concentrations of free-ionic iron is low and therefore is bacteriostatic to mycobacteria (i.e. normally low iron concentration in healthy human blood plasma does not support (rapid) propagation and growth of mycobacteria).[3]

(d) COVID-19 infection labilizes iron that is bound in hemoglobin in red blood cells, thereby destroying the ability of human blood to carry oxygen [4][5], and at the same time drastically and rapidly increasing the plasma concentration of free ionic iron.

(e) Increased free ionic iron plasma concentrations caused by COVID-19 infections is essentially rocket fuel for a pre-existing mycobacterial coinfection. The iron released from destructive action of COVID-19 essentially supercharges existing mycobacterial pathology that then results in lung damage and pulmonary failure (as well as potentially other organ failure).

(f) Azithromycin is active against mycobacterial infections. [6] [N.B. 7]. Also, it is known that the antimicrobial activity of azithromycin is pH related and is enhanced by increasing pH [8][9].

(g) The combination of hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin enhances the antimicrobial activity of the later by increasing the pH in the intracellular microenvironment.

(h) Computed Tomography (CT) scans of COVID-19 patients show “ground glass opacity” in the lungs. Ground glass opacity radiology findings are known to correlate with many infectious processes, including potentially miliary tuberculosis and nontuberculosis mycobacterial infection. [10][11]

HIV patients logically are the prototype group of individuals that have a higher incidence of active or latent persistent mycobacterial infections because of obvious host immune system suppression. The link is clear between immune suppression and incidence of mycobacterial infection. However, a much larger population group of patients at risk of having active, untreated, subclinical and/or latent/persistent mycobacterial infections are aging baby-boomers with degraded immune systems due to aging and other factors. Another risk group that have potential immune suppression are indigent or underserved demographic population groups that are known to have higher incidence of untreated mycobacterial infections. All of these groups are potentially at risk of having acute lethal coronavirus infection that induces the pre-existing mycobacterial infection break-out so as to create rapid extreme and terminal morbidity that is not limited simply to pulmonary system failure.

All the main risk factors listed for acute severe COVID-19 — that is age, diabetes, cardiovascular disease (CVD) and hypertension can be (potentially) linked to an underlying immunocompromised condition involving the existence of either active mycobacterial disease or latent/persistent mycobacterial infection. In addition to age being a risk factor for active or latent mycobacterial infection [12], diabetes patients are also known to be immunocompromised and susceptible to serious non-tuberculosis mycobacterial infection. [13][14] Similarly, CVD has been linked to both tuberculosis disease and latent persistent tuberculosis mycobacterial infection. [15][16] Hypertension and diabetes co-morbidity have been linked to TB infection. [17]

Risk factors for serious acute COVID-19 outcomes all seem to point to and suggest coinfection with a mycobacterium. The surprising therapeutic utility of the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin provides a compelling inferential mechanism for COVID-19 acute disease pathology whereby virus infection of red blood cells liberates ionic iron that supercharges and activates a mycobacterial coinfection.

In the past it was found that “induction of Tregs [regulatory T-cells] in coronaviral infections protects against the more severe forms of the disease attributable to the host response.”[18] However, recently it has been discovered that COVID-19 appears to be somewhat different in that it is able to infect (and destroy) T-cells by possibly one or more entry mechanisms [19][20]. It can be hypothesized that the concomitant COVID-19 infection of host red blood cells and host T-cells potentially disrupts and degrades the delicate (pre-existing) immune response balance that otherwise keeps the mycobacterial coinfection substantially in check in some patients. [see also 21]

It is possible that acute severe COVID-19 infection results in unrecognized, undiagnosed activated and untreated mycobacterial coinfection in patients that results then in devastating disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC). DIC in tuberculosis patients is known to have an extremely poor prognosis [22] which is consistent with what has been seen in the clinic with certain COVID-19 patients [23].

Understanding that the coronavirus pandemic morbidity may be attributable at least in part to a second order effect that is based on coinfection with a mycobacteria may be critical to identifying and deploying in the short-term off-the-shelf counter measures (chemotherapeutic and/or vaccine) that will immediately save lives and potentially arrest the panic associated with extreme manifestations of the COVID-19 pandemic.

*This article was written on April 17, 2020 and submitted as an Op-Ed commentary to a news outlet but was considered too advanced and challenging for a general newspaper reader. Even though it is a bit technical and perhaps a dry read, I believe it is a time sensitive piece that discloses a critical theory and mechanism regarding COVID-19 acute morbidity that needs to be put in the public domain. My hope is that it will motivate others to think outside the box and advance ideas that will support a useful unified understanding of what COVID-19 is/ is doing.


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Apr 2020, 09:38
#2
30 Apr 2020, 09:38#2

Thanks, Moz.


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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
30 Apr 2020, 10:20
#3
30 Apr 2020, 10:20#3

Anecdotal  


John D. Peabody is the author. He appears to have more legal expertise than medical. 


https://persispharma.com/ (His website is Micky Mouse). My grandmother could probably build a better website.  A free Godaddy hosting website....

https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-peabody-71375483/

He published his post on medium - a free blog tool

https://medium.com/@peabodyjohnd/the-coronavirus-covid-19-potentially-activates-preexisting-mycobacteria-in-a-coinfection-scenario-6d1ce040c267


https://medium.com/@peabodyjohnd

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
30 Apr 2020, 10:20
#4
30 Apr 2020, 10:20#4


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Apr 2020, 11:04
#5
30 Apr 2020, 11:04#5

Krapper, thanks for showing us that you have no idea what anecdotal means and when or how to use it. 


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Apr 2020, 11:05
#6
30 Apr 2020, 11:05#6

...PS No thanks on the links....sharkvirus

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Apr 2020, 11:05
#7
30 Apr 2020, 11:05#7

Then who is THIS GUY?


John Peabody, MD, PhD, DTM&H

Adjunct Professor

Epidemiology & Biostatistics

peabody@psg.ucsf.edu

+1 415 597-8202

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
30 Apr 2020, 11:19
#8
30 Apr 2020, 11:19#8
Plump still struggling to spell.... Anyone that thinks the spelling of crap is Krap - should avoid any conversation beyond primary school education and return to their shift at Mcdonald's. Your one of the essential staff... I will take a side order of fries..
Still searching for aliens and trying to prove your theory that the New York towers were a conspiracy? Redneck alert...
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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
30 Apr 2020, 11:20
#9
30 Apr 2020, 11:20#9

Draad, your link does not work


https://medium.com/@peabodyjohnd

John PeabodyFollow

Author, investor, scientist, lawyer. Background in pharma, intellectual property, legal, regulatory, business and related strategic initiatives.


The coronavirus COVID-19 potentially activates preexisting mycobacteria in a coinfection scenario.

By John D. Peabody III, PhD., Esq.

April 26, 2020*

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Peabody has one follower on Medium 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Apr 2020, 12:11
#10
30 Apr 2020, 12:11#10

Always reading about UFO news Krappie.

One of the very many topics that I follow avidly.

Oh, wait...I'm supposed to be embarrassed about it on the basis of your mind being too small.

Yeah, not gonna happen. 



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CeradynePro9,374 posts
30 Apr 2020, 12:55
#11
30 Apr 2020, 12:55#11

Now that SharkTroll has finished sorting out the writer’s dodgy credentials, let’s sit back and watch him debunk the guy’s arguments. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Apr 2020, 13:06
#12
30 Apr 2020, 13:06#12

Moz many doctors have repeatedly said that hydroxychloroquine needs Zinc sulphate to work properly.

The needed cocktail is Hydroxychloroquine, Azithromycin and Zinc Sulphate.



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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
30 Apr 2020, 13:33
#13
30 Apr 2020, 13:33#13

Don't forget to include a Z-pack in the Potjiekos Beeno. You were adamant on another post this must be included. Maybe even a cap of bleach.


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Let scientists be scientists, and doctors be doctors... If a cure is found it will be by career scientists and doctors with the assistance of technology like IT and AI.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Apr 2020, 13:49
#14
30 Apr 2020, 13:49#14

So medical doctors operating in the legal field is suddenly not medical doctors anymore because SB prefers it that way.   Is there any other alternative  treatment available or do you - like the Democrats - want patients to rather die?   

   

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
30 Apr 2020, 15:53
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30 Apr 2020, 15:53#15
Looking at that guys website, I would question if he is actually a qualified doctor or lawyer. After multiple degrees, that is all he could come up. I know that some 12 year old's could do a better job than that. 

Seriously, would you use him as a supplier if you saw his website?   I would not let him wash my car. A local plumber one man band would have a website much better than that. He is also using a free product of GoDaddy web hosting. FFS how professional...
Imagine doing a doctrine in the medical field, and then studying to become a lawyer. This guy has spent 15-20 years doing formal studying - that is far too much except for a teacher in a university. I take it he does not watch or play sport... 
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Apr 2020, 16:29
#16
30 Apr 2020, 16:29#16

Whahahaha...

"Imagine doing a doctrine in the medical field.."

What a tool!


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Apr 2020, 16:54
#17
30 Apr 2020, 16:54#17
I fixed the link.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
30 Apr 2020, 17:32
#18
30 Apr 2020, 17:32#18

Still SB is trying to rubbish the guy without challenging his arguments. Let’s wait and see where this goes. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
30 Apr 2020, 17:36
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30 Apr 2020, 17:36#19
Plump - Apr 30, 2020, 16:29

Whahahaha...

"Imagine doing a doctrine in the medical field.."

What a tool!

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It is so easy to school silly Plump, the dumbest person on this board. I could imagine lots of people on this board having good jobs and education - not Plump...  He would be serving us in the local drive through at Mcdonalds. 
Their is no challenge what so ever because Plump's IQ is far below average - probably around 75. (average IQ is between 90-110). Below 70 is retardedWhenever he has to go past a copy and paste of other peoples ideas, he is like a lost. . 
To explain university education to a dummy in the easiest way: 
  1. Undergraduate
  2. Post Graduate
  3. Masters
  4. Doctrine
People that get to doctrine are allowed to use Dr as their initials - this is not just in the medical field. A PhD is a doctrine.
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PhD Study - What is a PhD? | FindAPhD.com

www.findaphd.com › Advice › Finding a PhD
23 May 2018 - A PhD is a postgraduate doctoral degree, awarded to students who complete an original thesis offering a significant new contribution to knowledge in their subject. PhD qualifications are available in all subjects and are normally the highest level of academic degree a person can achieve.
This person states on his LinkedIn CV that he has is a doctor of law, doctor of philosophy, and he has a PHD in chemistry. (These are 3 separate fields)

It takes a long time to get a PHD in one field - so to then completely switch careers into the legal profession would take ages. To be a lawyer in the US, he would also need to pass the bar exam - and still have time to get experience in both professions. 
Chances are this is a sales person just making stuff up. Very few people get 3 doctrines, typically it is University teachers who have this amount of time. 
  • George Mason University School of Law

    Degree NameDoctor of Law (JD)

  • University of New Hampshire

    Degree NameDoctor of Philosophy 

  •                        (PhD) Organic Chemistry

    Field Of Study


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Apr 2020, 17:48
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30 Apr 2020, 17:48#20

John is an international health care leader in measurement, health policy, health systems, and quality of clinical care. He has contributed to more than 200 peer-reviewed publications and several books on quality, measurement, economics and healthcare systems. An actively funded National Institutes of Health (NIH) researcher, John works with clinical leaders, academic medical centers and multidisciplinary teams to help healthcare organizations better align their clinical staff. For almost two decades, he has examined how health systems affect, and potentially improve, care quality and patient outcomes. His leadership in this arena has led to his placement on Institute of Medicine and NIH committees and World Health Organization task forces. He has also testified before Congress on these issues. John developed the globally adopted standard for measuring clinical practice variation, known now simply as CPV Vignettes, the pillar stone of QURE Healthcare.


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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
30 Apr 2020, 17:58
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30 Apr 2020, 17:58#21
That is a different John https://www.qurehealthcare.com/john
https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-peabody-md-phd-8b316944/

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Your John that wrote the article on Medium.com is perhaps an imposter of the real John. Check the links I provided. It is clearly a different person - as he lists his education and background on Medium.com and when compared to LinkedIn - this is your John

This is your John (the imposter that writes articles on Medium.com)John PeabodyFollow

Author, investor, scientist, lawyer. Background in pharma, intellectual property, legal, regulatory, business and related strategic initiatives.


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You dont post links - but it is easy for me to find your sources of the stuff you post. Always check your sources...


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
30 Apr 2020, 18:08
#22
30 Apr 2020, 18:08#22

Still no challenge of the arguments?

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
30 Apr 2020, 18:13
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30 Apr 2020, 18:13#23
I am not going to challenge the scientific arguments of "Imposter" John - as he is a fraud. When I read that article, I just got a feeling something was off - so I made a few searches on him. Before long it was clear he was a fraud. He must be trying to fool people that he is the "real" John. When I searched the first time  I also found the real John, but worked out that they were different people by comparing LinkedIn profiles - with the Medium.com profile.

As for the "real" John, it would be hard to challenge a leading expert in the field of science/medicine on his area of specialist expertise. 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Apr 2020, 18:16
#24
30 Apr 2020, 18:16#24
So tell me Shark what part of the argument do you disagree with...it seems at least as plausible as most theories out there. Let’s hear what you think.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Apr 2020, 18:54
#25
30 Apr 2020, 18:54#25

Still more qualified on the topic than you Snark.

"Education

George Mason University School of Law

George Mason University School of Law

Degree NameDoctor of Law (JD)

University of New Hampshire

University of New Hampshire

Degree NameDoctor of Philosophy (PhD)Field Of StudyOrganic Chemistry

Trinity College-Hartford

Trinity College-Hartford

Degree NameBachelor of Science (BS)Field Of StudyBiochemistry


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Apr 2020, 18:58
#26
30 Apr 2020, 18:58#26

Snark is just throwing sh!t, hoping something stick....incapable of  actually contemplating his own opinion...he'l wait for someone from the lefty media to tell him what his opinion should be.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Apr 2020, 19:21
#27
30 Apr 2020, 19:21#27

Lol@ StinkVissie

What are talking about?  

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
30 Apr 2020, 19:27
#28
30 Apr 2020, 19:27#28

Could this be “ The real Dr Peabody  “ and why could he not be the same Dr Peabody Moz’ opening post?

Just asking?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Apr 2020, 19:51
#29
30 Apr 2020, 19:51#29

That's him..., the impostor, the the "real one" is a MD...we should let the lawyer know that Shark is spreading internet rumors that he is some sort of fake impostor, willfully pretending to be a medical doctor from San Francisco.

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
01 May 2020, 00:24
#30
01 May 2020, 00:24#30
Do I have to repeat myself again? 
Compare the Medium.com profile with crappy LinkedIn profile and website.The medium article is clearly the crappy imposter - not the real scientist/medical expert. 

The real scientist is not a lawyer. The fake one is a slimebag lawyer, or just a fraud sales person. 3 Doctrines....  How can someone who has not practiced medicine for ages be able to put together ideas better than specialists? If he is interested in patents he wants money, he is not a committed medical practitioner. 
https://persispharma.com/ = UTTER GARBAGE

In the article on Medium, he said the mainstream media did not want to publish it because it was technical in nature. He is clearly hoping people will confuse him with the real scientist. He has butchered some real articles and copied and pasted them together. Look at this website - it is utter shit. It would take 5 minutes to create a better website than that. Writing that article is much harder than creating his website.  
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Looking at Justia they are an SEO company- and website building company....SEO companies are usually very dodgy.  Most of them try trick search engines with spam. (fake content and website links). https://www.justia.com/marketing/contact/

Is justia legit?Justia is an American website specializing in legal information retrieval. ... The website offers free case law, codes, opinion summaries, and other basic legal texts, with paid services for its attorney directory and webhosting.

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en.wikipedia.org › wiki › JustiaSearch for: Is justia legit?What is a justia lawyer?Justia Rating:Justia is both a lawyer directory and portal and also creates law firm websites and attorney SEO services. .
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 May 2020, 00:56
#31
01 May 2020, 00:56#31

Keep on digging...

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
01 May 2020, 01:02
#32
01 May 2020, 01:02#32

Admittedly it might be easier for me to spot this type of stuff because I work in digital marketing. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 May 2020, 05:20
#33
01 May 2020, 05:20#33

But still no comments on the content. Just the usual ‘kill the messenger’ tactic. As for this:

‘How can someone who has not practiced medicine for ages be able to put together ideas better than specialists? If he is interested in patents he wants money, he is not a committed medical practitioner.’


Specialists are by definition narrow, and in this instance all over the map. So a trained analyst and observer can come up with valuable insights and help shape conclusions.

Which of course is the task facing journalists and decision makers..and they can’t be much more wrong than the W.H.O who told us there was no human transmission or the world’s most famous epidemiologist Fauci who told America there was little to be concerned about.

Rather than hero worshipping ‘experts’ you should be appropriately skeptical.

By the way the States with largest drops in mobility and the most propensity to stay at home have the highest infection rates.....that from that other great medical source Facebook,


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
01 May 2020, 09:41
#34
01 May 2020, 09:41#34

It's funny, to think you guys were expecting a rebuttal.

Shark has no idea what the article is saying. The irony of antibiotics being incorrectly and historically prescribed for virus related illnesses versus antibiotics potentially being partially the answer in this case... you can bet that flew well above his dome.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
01 May 2020, 10:22
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01 May 2020, 10:22#35

“  Posted by: sharkbok (11401 posts)

May 01, 2020, 01:02

Admittedly it might be easier for me to spot this type of stuff because I work in digital marketing. “

Uhmm. Didn’t you take the piss at Moz’ knowledge of statistics the other day, despite learning that he has quite a bit of expertise in the field? I cannot remember the exact argument but I’m sure that was more or less what happened. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 May 2020, 10:29
#36
01 May 2020, 10:29#36

"Admittedly it might be easier for me to spot this type of stuff because I work in digital marketing."

Yes, it's clear that all reputable doctors and experts consult with digital marketers before formulating opinions. LMAO.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
01 May 2020, 10:30
#37
01 May 2020, 10:30#37

“  In the article on Medium, he said the mainstream media did not want to publish it because it was technical in nature. 

Yeah, that’s also bullshit and proves this guy’s a fraud. The MSM never ignores matters, not even if it does not conform with their agenda. That is why the likes of CNN, MSNBC, ABC, etc are all carrying the news about Mike Flynn all over their front pages in big bold headlines. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
01 May 2020, 11:37
#38
01 May 2020, 11:37#38
Amazing how the religious "scientists" always want to question leading scientists, but never the hypocrisy of their religion, their religious leaders like Trump, or even Church ministers that are selling fake cures to the Coronavirus or peddling conspiracy theories that make religious people more dependent of their "fix". 
The religious fear real scientists because they disprove their reality. However, this patent lawyer is promoting something that the good religious Trump said, so suddenly he is one of the good guys. 
If a scientist writes an article for an audience that do not have to-day to-day jobs in science, they should:1. Define their hypothesis.2. Explain logic with jargon, as well as without jargon. Jargon should be defined, as well as referencing third parties. 3. Provide sources4. Summarize their findings with the strengths and weaknesses of the argument. 
Otherwise, it is not scientific - it is just trying to prove a belief, not a hypothesis to be objectively tested.  
The author of this article is hard to be taken seriously with a website like this-  https://persispharma.com/ 
I will read through his article again, as I only scanned it. I doubt any of the mainstream scientific publications would publish it. My first impression of the article is that it was trying to sound smart with lots of jargon to sound smarter than what it was, especially given it was not targeted at chemists/doctors etc. 
I have been reading what many scientists have said about the Trump miracle cure. Scientists that explain with objective data and reasoning why they think HCQ is not worth much further research. Even Trump has dumped it and never mentions in anymore. 


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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
01 May 2020, 11:50
#39
01 May 2020, 11:50#39
@Ceradynce, I was taking the piss at Mozarts models against Climate scientists and NASA. I do think Stav, in particular, had his number and used stronger arguments that were more objective. If scientists with no knowledge of climatology had to review Stav' and Mozarts' arguments just based on a scientific approach, Stav would win hands down. 
------------However, it is not that I would not question a scientist or specialist in a field. Their scientific approach and argument should intentionally be designed to be questioned so that reviewers can find weaknesses and strengths, and allow people to build and improve upon it- or even disprove it. They should also try to be conceptual so that people outside of the specialism do not need to know all the technical jargon where possible. 
If someone is religious, I would be dubious right away and they are not trying to prove reality, they are trying to prove their own subjective beliefs. Religion is the antithesis of science. 
----As for specialists being too narrow. Time will tell who invents the cure to the Coronavirus. I doubt it will be a patent lawyer.  It will be a specialist. 
Although I did hear Trump said he is leading the quest to find a new cure. 
Let scientists be scientists folks
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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
01 May 2020, 11:50
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01 May 2020, 11:50#40
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