Another challenge for Rooi

"Didn't think you'd give a straight answer..."

Don't measure me by your own yardstick...I always give straight answers to straight questions.

So let me fix that for you then, Squeaky Toy . . .

"I always occasionally give straight answers to straight questions."

There. That's better.

I don't know. It can be either way. Trump has a history of gaffes, this can be another...who knows?

Must answer quicker or...

Wow, and that only took you what . . . 8 weeks?

Anyway, Squeaky Toy, your definition of what constitutes a "straight answer" is noted . . . "dunno, maybe, could be, who knows?"

Moving goal posts again I see...same old BS with you...No notes needed for me...I already know your MO...was expected...coward.

Dunno . . . could be . . . maybe . . . who knows?

Dunno . . . could be . . . maybe . . . who knows?

In this case I actually do. 

I thought Red Bool was  a beer, maybe so....but it turns out by a strange quirk, the name is so right for a beer even Red Bool was concerned it could be confused with a beer.  So even when I’m wrong, I’m right.....stick with moz.

You on the other hand thought Miller is Millers....pretty stupid for a lush!

Now apologize to Draad Peeper, he called your bluff.

Why would one worry about a brand you have no interest in ....just as long as Glenlivet remains a scotch.

Let's try wrestle this back from oblivion. 

Breaking the problem down might help.

It may be useful to ask if there were any devices in ancient Egypt able to test the flatness of a surface to within 1/20 of a human hair?

Or...

If there was any stone cutting technique that would create near perfect flatness of a large surface when employed.

I don't understand indifference to beer, nor the dislike for it by some...bizarre...top ten inventions/discoveries of all time...right up there with the wheel, fire and electricity...no civilization can be complete without it.

"Most people hate the taste of beer - to begin with. It is, however, a prejudice that many people have been able to overcome."

Plum, sorry for getting sidetracked and seemingly ignoring your topic.

What you ask has a simple answer...we don't know how and we don't know why. What we do know is that these structures were built by much more sophisticated people than History acknowledge and for much more intricate reasons than we can imagine.

We've been lied to about History...and about much other things...Why???? What are purposely being hidden from us...and why?

Majoring in minors again...small victories...small things...

"But beer’s place in the development of civilization deserves at least a raising of the glass. As the ever rational Ben Franklin supposedly said, “Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”

Several thousand years before Franklin, I’m guessing, some Neolithic fellow probably made the same toast."

I can't see anyone of note say something similar of an energy drink.

Actually Draad  I switched to non alcoholic beer a long time ago. You can drink it at lunchtime, after golf, or even at work without any negatives. The taste is lighter but I’m to the point I actually prefer that and you only get 80 calories,

Peeper  your information is of no use to me. I have no need for an energy drink... I never suffer from lack of energy. As for your noobness....it derived from your clearly uninformed views on the Austrian Grand Prix. Whether Red Bool is an energy drink, a beer, or just sounds like a beer doesn’t alter the uninformed nature of your comments. Try to do better.

Uh-oh . . . sounds like Moffie needs one more lesson . . . when to stay down!

LMAO!

Peeper I see you haven’t apologized to Draad yet.....go ahead....admit your mistake, practice what you preach....wehe!

Moz, I got to appreciate the non alcoholic beers a bit more during our lockdown-prohibition, but the real thing is just so much better. My favorites are on the lower end of alcohol content, but non-alcoholic tastes incomplete.

"We've been lied to about History...and about much other things...Why???? What are purposely being hidden from us...and why?"

It's quite possible that most it is down to reputations. The big voices in archaeology are ALL people with vested interests in keeping their version of events unchallenged. 

From a theological perspective, it's a can of worms. The older we confirm humanity to be the fewer people will buy into present doctrines. 

Then there is the possibility that the truth may be more than the powers that be deem humanity capable of assimilating into our reality. The old testament says that their were giants and that they were the offspring of humans and something else. Do we believe that?

The funny part is that the bible's version of events kinda correlates with what's being found now. Not necessarily in terms of the 6000 year business. When it talks about a previous versions a hybrid humanity, powerful and technological, and them being completely wiped from the face of the earth by some deluge , is where it seems closer to the truth than what mainstream archaeology does. 

Beware Plum...treacherous waters...

"It's quite clear now that there was a long progression and then a reset that began a new progression. This has happened at least once. And we know jack about the guys prior to the reset. "

Ah, I must have missed that comment Redtit.

I have no problem with the idea that it's been humans evolving as they go. 

Just that, at some point during that evolution, progress was passed through the eye of the evolutionary needle, perhaps by some event, and much knowledge was lost in the process. Knowledge which we have still not rediscovered, and may never.

That's also a factually true statement because, as you say, you have no idea how said flatness(above) was achieved. The reason you don't know is that nobody knows and no tools have ever found to explain it. This, despite us finding almost all the tools that were used to create vastly inferior work, of reportedly the same period .

Circling back to flatness. 

How can it be that the Egyptians wanted to tell us all about their grain, the Nile, beer making, animal migration, adoption and and and...but were entirely silent as regards their great engineering achievements, like near-perfect flatness of the hardest working material. Especially when you consider the portion of the economy and population that was dedicated to producing these works.

And this same theme is present in a lot of forms, at many locations, where the most astounding ancient works are found.

If you don't know what I mean, then you can't know what I'm basing it on.

The eye of the needle, in this instance, being a selective pressure. 

There was a population that was advanced up to a certain and currently unexplainable level, then there was a selective pressure placed on their cumulative ability, and those that survived made it through to the other side...by luck or by skill. The fewer people that made it through the less knowledge would have survived with them .

The selective pressure may have been a global disease, an asteroid impact, flooding or perhaps even a supervolcano. 

How else do you explain the older work, almost without fail, being more advanced than the newer stuff?

If ancient Egypt were to have evolved their ability in a largely uninterrupted linear progression, their craftsmanship would have continued to build on what came before so that the most recent works would be of the highest quality. 

Okay, so to try and summarize, you're saying that around about 3000 years ago there was an advanced civilization co-existing with humans as we know them today but some event happened that caused a lot of the advanced guys to die so we lost a lot of their knowledge and this event is what you're calling a "reset"?

Moffie, you made a fool of yourself. There isn't a F1 team named after a beer and Red Bull is an energy drink.

It's not the first time you've had egg dribbling down your fat face and it won't be the last. Get over it, get a life and try to move on.

"...you're saying that around about 3000 years ago there was an..."

More like 10K Years ago IMO.

No, I'm saying that there was a civilisation which predated the Dynastic Egyptians by many thousands of years. And that all the great works of Egypt can be attributed to them.

A civilisation which was likely wiped out at the end if the last ice age when the sea level rose by over three hundred feet almost over night - about 12400 years ago.

If you are interested, here is a brilliant video that makes a compelling case for this argument. It basically calls out the Dynastic Egyptians as vandals and graffiti artits. 

The premise being that when you compare the workmanship of the objects to the engraving on the objects, it's clear that the engraving was done by a second, far less skilled group.

A) I'm not talking about Atlantis.

B) The Serapeum is an underground complex, so your idea, of building the structure around the boxes, doesn't fit. The complex was carved out of the bedrock.

C) The Serapeum is not under or near any pyramids.

You're probably not paying too much attention to the video so I shan't rag on you about details you may have missed or misunderstood.

From about 18 minutes it becomes very interesting. Where they begin to contrast the actual objects against the engravings on them.

A serapeum is a temple dedicated to the deity Serapis, a Graeco-Egyptian deity.

There are many serapea so you shouldn't refer to "The Serapeum", you should refer to the serapeum of Saqqara (that's the one in the video anyway). There are other serapea in Egypt (Alexandria and Canopus) as well as several in Italy and Turkey.

The mere fact it's in Saqqara means it's near a lot of pyramids and/or mastabas, the most famous one being the Pyramid of Djoser and if you check out your video clip around 7:30 they talk of miles of tunnels under the stepped pyramid (which I assume is Djoser) so you might want to revisit your point "C" that the Serapeum is not near a pyramid when at least some of it's tunnels are directly under a very famous one.

I haven't watched much further than that but it does sound like the main point is that a lot of the work wasn't done by 30th dynasty pharaohs but much earlier than that. Fair enough, it wouldn't surprise me . . . probably just proves that the earlier dynasty pharaohs were even more cruel and had even more disposable workers than the more recent guys.

"But good, you accept that the earliest work was the most well done."

That's not exactly what I said, I was talking more about the volumes of work rather than the quality, but I'm not disagreeing with you about the earlier work being of a higher quality . Not yet anyway.

My position on this (and many other conspiracy theories) is that I'll look for a logical explanation based on scientific evidence before I start believing in things like alien astronauts, lost civilizations or biblical floods.

"My position on this (and many other conspiracy theories)..."

Well, one look at the latest ladar data from Guatemala and you don't have to "believe" in "conspiracy theories".  Lost civilizations are entirely factual and we keep discovering more and more of them.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2018/02/maya-laser-lidar-guatemala-pacunam/

Note the term - Megalopolis.

Okay, I should have said advanced civilizations that were lost. 

Yes, civilizations come and go . . . I'm just a bit more skeptical when it comes to these mysterious advanced civilizations with superior technology and stuff.

PS If you want a conspiracy theory to give you a laugh, check out BirdsArentReal.com