An approval rating of 48% is not all that bad. I have seen much worse - even Obama had his poor ratings at times. I do not trust US opinion polls - they are wrong often enough - as was proved in the last elections.
We will see what happen on Tuesday in the mid-terms elections as to what is going on in US politics.
Plum, a refreshing perspective...and yes, Rooi went all in on the "Trump is the new Hitler" narrative.
"My wife's father spent 3 years in a German prisoner of war camp . . ."
I'm guessing Moffie's father in law was one of the guards.
"My wife's father spent 3 years in a German prisoner of war camp and was shot once trying to escape. Comparing Trump with that truly evil human being trivializes what shouldn't be trivialized....ever."
Re-reading that, I have to say that's quite an admission.
Tell me, Moffie, does your wife also think that her father is/was a truly evil human being or is it just you who thinks that?
@ Rooi
Here's an example of exactly what i mean.
https://www.google.com/search?q=time+magazine+trump+two+small+girls+on+cover&client=firefox-b-ab&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=DOi438KF7Vya7M%253A%252CdJYOJ7KtIZjohM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kSQqZOx04oDsIbelpA3JOAayV9zQA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjmxpbmzbPeAhWJAMAKHYV4Df4Q9QEwAHoECAUQBA#imgrc=DOi438KF7Vya7M:
Sorry for the long link but it's just a link to google images that shows Trump on the front of Time Magazine, looking down smugly at a small crying girl.
The symbology is quite obvious. At least i think it is. The strong overpowering the weak without remorse.
I dont know the guy. He might be a complete plank, or he might not be. I've got frineds that are awkward, rude and abrupt in their general dealings with people. If i were to put their social transgressions out there for the world to see, people would pretty quickly label them as idiots, assholes, tossers etc etc
But they are not Nazis. They're not fascist either. They don't find joy in the suffering of children and they certainly don't try to bring about said suffering either.
Free speech is an undeniable cornerstone to civilisation. You'll never find me arguing otherwise. However there is also such a thing as journalistic integrity. Among other things it entails not intentionally misleading societies for reasons alterior to providing information. Sure, political perspective does have a role to play in reporting but it also has limits.Plum, Rooi actually believe Trump is worse than a Nazi, Hillary is a nice old lady and Antifa is actually anti facist. Look, I was in school in the 80's and I know they tried to do a real brainwashing job on us, but whatever they did, wasn't a patch on the stuff they did on Rooi in the 70's
No logic, almost no common sense, in fact the only sense they apparently achieved was a sense of spelling and grammar.
Rooi, did you attend a private school? WTF did they do to you man?
Here Rooi
Poorly reported stories like this one is what has built my castle of suspicion over the years...
https://www.aclu.org/news/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-bill-law
Honestly, did you know about this?
It was a major deal. A serious human rights infringement and yet Obama's hangers on in the media barely mentioned it.
If Trump signed this into force it would be the final proof that he is indeed all the terrible things we believe him to be.
Bush was the playground bully that pulled on the rope with the help of all his buddies, to bring you down.
Obama was the smiling assassin that simply let go of the rope causing you to under balance and end up on your arse.
Hilary was to be the one that was gonna kick you when you were down.
The powers that be are pissed because Trump screwed up all their plans.
They never for a moment expected someone to come along and offer the majority what they actually wanted.
How dare the public get what they want? In a democracy it is us that manufacture their consent ;)
PS, when I matriculated, the Cape Province had the highest shool standard of all 4 provinces...according to most universities at the time...but that's days gone by.
Rooi
Your gripe seems to be Trumps personality and attitude rather than his politics.
PPS I'm flattered that you think I managed to achieve standard 8....and my dorp wasn't that dusty. The Boland has it's charms.
No Plum, it's both.
His fiscal policies are what serve him, his interests and his billionnaire buddies best; his foreign policy is an extremely dangerous joke and back home all he wants to do is create division, paranoia and hatred towards anyone he perceives to be his enemy.
So no, it's not just his repulsive and boorish personality.
This business of turning the media into the enemy of the state should have alarm bells ringing but the Trumpanzees are too stupid or too brainwashed to realize what happened the last time a tyrant demonized the free press.
Interesting Rooi
Guess we see things differently.
I don't keep up too much with US politics but i do flip through Us news headlines every few days and i see a lot of reporting on Trumps personality and much less on his political failures...or successes for that matter.
For me, the media, or large sections of it at least, have been the enemy of the people for a long time.
It makes sense that large opinion shaping organisations would inevitably be in the wrong hands from time to time.
If there's a gun in a room full of people someone is gonna wanna control it. No?
And then if power really corrupts...
"It makes sense that large opinion shaping organisations would inevitably be in the wrong hands from time to time."
Most of the time, look what the did to poor Rooi!
My problem with the above discussions is that what is raised is Trump - Trump-Trump - nothing else. The discussions should rather deal with the reasons for what is happening in the USA and other countries.
For me it appears that millions of people who has lost hope for a better future or already left behind by governments run to Trump and other conservative right wing leaders because they believe that the right-wingers will help and protect them.
In essence the political elite is fighting for their future and return to the environment where thy run everything to their own benefit using the left wing media to fight the battle. Everything is fair when it comes to the war the media is conducting at present.
Lets face it if we look at what is happening in the world at present it is not a pretty picture. It is clear that the ideals fostered by the elite making sure they are the real beneficiaries are being threatened. At election times they claim they are there for the poor - but when elected they just forget all their promises.
The side-lined poor and disgruntled wants change for the better. To my mind some leaders like Trump are actually safety valves that prevents the pot from boiling over. In the USA and other countries where similar trends are clear things could be 10 times worse if there is no safety valve.