Charlie Kirk assasinated = another example of the results of political incitement

Pakie

“Monarchies change into tyrannies, aristocracies into oligarchies, and democracies into rule by the mob…from the mob, there arises again monarchy, and the cycle repeats.” Power is never stable—it is cyclical, adaptive, and self-serving.

The more cynical part of me suspects that what looks like chaos is often engineered. The excesses we see from the left may not simply be mistakes. They might be designed to provoke outrage, so that the right can sweep in as the “saviours.” And when the right reaches its peak, what new crisis will be manufactured to keep the wheel turning?

Étienne de La Boétie “He who dominates you has nothing more than the power that you confer upon him to destroy you.”

"Kirk was like Tucker Carlson, someone who made money from hate politics by playing the white victim"

I couldn't disagree more

Apparently.... Charlie's killer has been caught...... "with a high degree of certainty"

I really hope so .....

Latest knews - th assasin left too mny clues and apparently an acquaintance of him turned him in and is likely to get the $100 000 reward offered by the FBI.

Trump is goin g to gave a speech to the nation a later and the FBI is also going to make a public statement on the suspect this afternoon.

S o lets see what happens next and find out why Kirk was killed, Evidence on computer and internet will indicae what caused him to kill Kirk and who was behind the killer, .

Tyler Robinson ..... 21 years old from Utah....

His minister or "father" figure turned him in, or the father himself

WTF

ICE, ICE Baby.... Stop, collaborate and listen. Round the Mexicans up and arrest them. Even the ones born in America. ICE, ICE baby...This is surely going to impact the Latino vote in the midterms.

The more cynical part of me suspects that what looks like chaos is often engineered. The excesses we see from the left may not simply be mistakes. They might be designed to provoke outrage, so that the right can sweep in as the “saviours.” And when the right reaches its peak, what new crisis will be manufactured to keep the wheel turning?

It's absolutely engineered. We're all being engineered into tribal thinking and we all have to consciously guard against it. Just like we're now talking about "the left" and "the right". The Left isn't just purpled haired loonies, just like The Right isn't just MAGA hat wearing rednecks. In there, the majority, are decent, normal people who just want to get by, want to be safe, make a decent income without selling their souls and a peaceful life. Yet we're only shown the the crazy fringes and the lying politicians and then told "that's the left" or "that's the right". All of us are being played.

SB

ICE, ICE Baby.... Stop, collaborate and listen. Round the Mexicans up and arrest them. Even the ones born in America. ICE, ICE baby...This is surely going to impact the Latino vote in the midterms.

Has a totally fucked up mind and cannot hink for himself destroyed by the shit he spreads on this site,

Fact is the Hispanic voters don't want Cartel imported migrants in the country and the arrested at present are in the main alleged or convicted criminals and the chidren used a sex slavdes have been saved and received psychological treatment while their parents have been contacted and on their request the children are being returned to them. The other case is where a criminal are arrested and due for expulsion has a wife - if an American citizen she can decide if she wants to go with him and take their children with them. Hopwever if aa father is expelled the mohe and chil;dren went with him.

Te media told shit for brains a different story and he is stupid enough to fall for BS. I think Trump should do h im a favor and send Abrego Garcia to the UK - and since shitbrain are on his side asked S tarmer to join shitbrain as a inmate in his house, Or send him the arrested Muslim invader allowed in by h is hero B iden into the USA to him as house guests as well.

"ICE, ICE Baby.... Stop, collaborate and listen. Round the Mexicans up and arrest them. Even the ones born in America. ICE, ICE baby...This is surely going to impact the Latino vote in the midterms."

Whoosh...illegal immigrants, not Mexicans...if you don't like the laws, change them...you can’t only apply the laws you like and ignore the rest...its da LAW...deal with it.

What we know about the suspect is that he is white and around 23 years old.

He does not look particularly liberal or conservative - at first glance anyway. If he is the killer, more information on motives should become more apparent - unless he is just a crazy person with no affiliation.

He's scum, motivated either by socialist or anti Semitite ...intolerant extremist...this kak must stop.

Edited to remove unintended interpretation.

So now wwe have to know what the motive was for murdering Kirk. Those celebrating Kirk's death on site and that include bot h SB and BB can then going into delirium as well. The info will come out soon - that while they keep quoting from the fake media whatever negatives the BSters come up with.

Fist comment from the shooter cams str ght from his lovers on site:"Hey fascist! Catch!" "Bella ciao bella ciao ciao," "If you read this, you are gay LMAO" and a series of arrows, one pointing up, one pointing to the right, and three pointing down

Typical fool fallin g for th e leftist media camaign againsy in this case Kirk - they callefd supporters of the Republican Party fascists in the media and shit instead of brains believe them. This si going to soon turn into a disaste for the leftist media and theyw ill soon have top c;ean up the mess that they would find themselves in,

The Democrats will soon be on their knees due to their fucked up propaganda. The internet got thosuands of emssa ges from China and Russia encouraging riots in the USA as a result of the shooting - but the Reo[ublicans are not going to tuot - they elav e murders and riots to he Democrats.

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The mass shootings in America are all tragic, not just some alt-right bigot who said the deaths were a fair sacrifice for the 2nd Amendment.

I felt little remorse for George Floyd, Blake, and not much for Kirk (A bit more).

He lived by the sword and died by the sword.

What next, Saint Charlie Kirk died for our sins...

He lived by the sword and died by the sword.

When did Kirk do the violence that happened to him to other people?

I've seen many people use this phrase regarding Kirk's assassination, and what they're basically inferring is that violence and murder is an appropriate response to challenging or controversial ideas.

SB

Kirk died because there are shit like you in the world who has zero compassion for anybody and hate everything their media masters tell them to think. Let me give you some t houghts on the issue - stay in England and contiuing disgracing yourself in that place where you are - we do not need shit like you anywhere else especially not in the USA and in SA as well. Go to China,Venezuela or Cuba where idiots like you will be welcome.because your ideas are basically radical communist BS. .

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It was Charlie Kirk who justified mass shootings. He was not losing any sleep if people not like him were killed. He even justified mass shootings as a necessary sacrifice for the 2nd ammement, at the very rally that he got shot by a mass shooter.

Charlie Kirk made money by targeting minority groups and dehumanising them. He was not a good person.

George Floyd was not a good person. I dont care if some would consider him left-wing or not. (Because of his skin colour).

The mass shootings (of innocent kids) are far worse than the loss of Charlie Kirk

DumbMike, the Alt-right product of Apartheid, giving lectures on morals. He can only care for his religious kin - he does not care about other mass shootings. Just like his Arab hero, Charlie Kirk

Snarkhole, your reasoning is dumb as fuck...stupid should hurt ...stop your k@k you're better than this.

Still less shootings in the USA than in South Africe...and they are 6 times more than us...and our gun laws are 100 times more strict than ours...an armed citizenry is the only real guarantee agains tyranny...fuck your gun laws.

It was Charlie Kirk who justified mass shootings. He was not losing any sleep if people not like him were killed. He even justified mass shootings as a necessary sacrifice for the 2nd ammement, at the very rally that he got shot by a mass shooter.

Charlie Kirk made money by targeting minority groups and dehumanising them. He was not a good person.

George Floyd was not a good person. I dont care if some would consider him left-wing or not. (Because of his skin colour).

The mass shootings (of innocent kids) are far worse than the loss of Charlie Kirk

You must be totally twisted coming up with shit like the above. You a have zero proof of the above. How did Kirk target minority groups and dehumanize them?

I frankly do not understand what turned you into a twisted individual, All my working life long I worked to help people less fortunate than me and for months I spent 12 hours day - 7 days a week for months on end to HELP people and communities to improve their living conditions and their way of life. I never hated anybody in my life other than people like you and others who do fuck-all for other human beings ever in your life and who hate anybody the media tells you to hate;

I believe from what you write on site you are a pitiable loner with nothing but hatred for people, I have not seen a single post where you condemned for instance migrant children be smuggled into the USA where they ended up as sex slaves.

I do not understand what turns you into a hate-filled creature - i call you that because you have no love for any human being and do ghate people becuse they question your approach of hatred spreading and spread lies to discredit people wo dare ti be human humn beings . Let me tell you something - what forced the city dwellers to flood into gun shops to buy firearms? Is it not Government Policies that protfct and help criminals in a misguided believe that they can murder anybody they wish to. So let me continue Govenment policies of the Autopen regime promote criminal;ity and undermine protection of innocent people. So disarm everybody and give the cciminals real freedom to kill law-abiding people.

I cannopt understang how your brain could eb twisted ibnto hatred and into acilitating lies and distortions you come up with.

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History will look back on this murder as the tipping point...enough is enough...this snot ends now...the silent majority had enough...watch this space.

This is only significant to his supporters. For everyone else, it is just another mass shooting that repeatedly proves that guns should be banned.

Still less shootings in the USA than in South Africe...and they are 6 times more than us...and our gun laws are 100 times more strict than ours...an armed citizenry is the only real guarantee agains tyranny...fuck your gun laws.

So South Africa is a tyranny. If in the US, an armed citizenry was the only guarantee against tyranny,people would not obsess on who controls the state apparatus Certainly not. And obviously, there are laws and laws. Laws that must be respected and laws that must not be respected.

South Africa is a prime example of a country that forgot that justice does not serve as a mere decorum. Criminals are human beings and they want the same as other beings may have obtained. South Africa put in action a large plan for impunity. It is not surprising it has given ideas to criminals in South Africa.

And it must be reminded that in South Africa, the majority is black skinned. So result will be measured by what they get from a different legislation on guns.

And I have to say Dradd not very christian of you to value one person over another no matter what they have done. Guess you can make up your own rules and ignore the bits you don't like that your god preaches.

Of course it is christian to do so. Christianity has morphed a lot since its inception. The beliefs reported after the first council were already largely changed from the beliefs before that. Fast forwarding to nowadays, Christianity is less and less a religious faith and more and more a political agenda. It is obvious in the US.

An irony for a religion that was supposed to be detached from temporal matters. Christianity is one of the biggest failures in human history. While per the book, valuing one person over another may not sound christian, it is now by what has become Christianity.

When did Kirk do the violence that happened to him to other people?

I've seen many people use this phrase regarding Kirk's assassination, and what they're basically inferring is that violence and murder is an appropriate response to challenging or controversial ideas.

Narrow reading of the situation. Biter bit, bit biter. Signaling that people killed in shootings are just collateral damage worth enduring to benefit from the 2nd amendment and then being oneself killed by a shooter is an irony, no matter what liberals tell about it. This guy condoned dead people from shootings, yet his followers do not even subscribe to his beliefs as they are making a fuss over his death. Typically liberal. It must apply to other people.

This thread is just the worst.

Kirk was a strong advocate for guns, but his legacy may prove that guns should be banned.

No. The US have started as a slaver society and retained many attributes. On a plantation, when the child of a master died, everyone had to mourn. When the child of a slave died, mourning was optional and may even be considered as a favour from the master.

Liberals are used to different treatment. This guy holds the belief that people killed during mass shootings are an unfortunate by product of the 2nd amendment. It is sad but should be kept in range. This guy is killed by a shooter during a public meeting and suddenly, his belief is not applied. His death is considered unbearable. So his belief is already defeated. They are killings that should be ignored and killings that must no be ignored.

This difference of treatment will cause more unrest in the US as people experience a society where people may be killed so that the ego of others may be preserved. On the other hand, if ever one person of such ego is killed on the very same ground, suddenly, the world has to stop.

US citizens are living in panic, they fear of falling on the wrong side of their own society. The entrenchment of the US society will keep getting deeper, his legacy is that US citizens death may be considered as a necessary sacrifice on the altar of the second amendment while people who promote this sacrifice as necessary are out of the covenant. If ever they are killed in a shooting, then it is a disaster.

This thread is a testimony of this with usual key language elements staging this death as being bad for humanity. His legacy will be even more division.

It's absolutely engineered. We're all being engineered into tribal thinking and we all have to consciously guard against it.

It is another common from liberals. Confusion between tribalism and factionalism or partisanship.

Liberals have this urge to make very internal elements of their belief set foreign, and with a touch of contempt since liberals would be tainted by something backward like tribalism.

Factionalism has nothing to do with tribalism. Tribalism could have never been, factionalism would be in liberal societies. As to guarded against factionalism, it is not possible when being a liberal as it is a core feature.

No I don't know for sure but it's more probable than assuming pre meditated murder...a police oficer trying to restrain a drugged up criminal...a very big drgged up man violently resisting arrest (6 foot 4) Derek Chauvin was 5"11 and 80 pounds lighter...police know how their actions are scrutinized...

Very funny. These are not of words of peace by the way.

Premeditation is established based on parameters not related to the deep state of mind of the perpetrator.

A person playing with matches near a powder keg will be deemed of premeditation if a boom happens.

A person aiming a gun at another person will be deemed of premeditation if the shot happens.

If ever bystanders signal the danger with sentences like ' do not place your finger on the trigger, you may action it' and this remark is ignored, then premeditation is sealed.

Indeed, the guy may be have no intent of shooting yet in all cases, it will be treated as premeditation.

In the US, the bar could be set as low that a guy getting involved in a fistfight may be accused of premeditation when a death occurs (on a punch, not beating) Of course, this example involved a black guy.

A police officer sitting for several minutes over another guy while professionals indicated to him the involved danger, of course, it is premeditation.

Floyd was a criminal high on fentanyl who died while violently resisting arrest...Charlie was a peaceful orator who engaged in dialog across the divide...violently murdered in public because some idiot(s) didn't like his ideas. Regrettable accident vs terrible tragic murder...100 times worse actually.

Already mentioned it. The fact the guy had a criminal record and initially pushed resistance made it worse for the case because this triggered additional layers of safeguards (things that liberals claim to be the hallmark of their political system) and they were ignored. It added to the number of failures, it did not withdraw.

There seems to be a confusion between peace and order. A non peaceful society may be orderly. The kind of speech, while performed in a well ordered environment this guy used to deliver was not the peaceful kind. They aimed at civil unrest. The guy murdered by the police officer has no political agenda before his death.

The memes are starting to hit the internet.

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Fuck you Trad...and Fuck YOU Snarkhole...I had enough...I know we had our differences, ur I never thought you were a despicable POS ..now I know ...go fck yourself.

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The shooter accused of murdering Charlie Kirk, Tyler Robinson, comes from a conservative family. His parents are registered Republicans and the family is described as a typical All-American conservative household. There are social media photos showing the family and Tyler with firearms, indicating familiarity and comfort with guns. Tyler himself had a Trump-themed Halloween costume in 2017 and was reportedly accustomed to firearms, knowing how to handle them due to his upbringing. However, Tyler Robinson is registered as an unaffiliated voter and reportedly became more politically active in recent years with views opposing Kirk's, whom he described as spreading hate.

A public records database shows Robinson’s family resides in Washington, Utah, where Trump garnered support from 75% of voters in the 2024 presidential election. Robinson’s parents have Republican listed as their party affiliation, per public voter registration information, and are considered active voters (they each cast ballots in the 2024 election that gave Trump a second presidency).

Public records also indicated Robinson registered as a voter in Utah in July 2021 but was considered inactive and did not declare an affiliation to any party when he registered.

Robinson is a third-year student in the electrical apprenticeship program at Dixie Technical College in Washington county, said a UVU spokesperson. He briefly attended Utah State University for one semester in 2021 and received concurrent enrollment credit through Utah Tech University while in high school from 2019 to 2021.

Photos on a social media account associated with Robinson’s mother – deactivated on Friday – appear to show Robinson was the oldest of three boys. That account said Robinson’s mother was a social worker.

Robinson’s family had vacationed together as recently as the past summer, per a video reel published on a social media account associated with Robinson’s father.

Cox told reporters that a family member of Robinson, who was interrogated by investigators, said Robinson had “become more political in recent years”.

The family member, Cox said, recounted how Robinson had gone over for dinner and mentioned that Kirk was scheduled to speak at UVU. The family member recalled Robinson talking about not liking Kirk and his viewpoints.

Published: 02.21.2025

1. Extremism, Hate or Terrorism

All extremist-related murders in 2024 were committed by right-wing extremists; Growing concern about a return of violent attacks by homegrown Islamist extremists

New York, NY, February 21, 2025 … For the third year in a row, murders in the United States connected to extremism have declined, according to new data from ADL (the Anti-Defamation League). Domestic extremists were involved in the killing of at least 13 people in 2024, a significant drop from the 20 extremist-related murders in 2023.

However, this trend will not continue. The ADL Center on Extremism (COE) has already documented 15 extremist-related murders in 2025 so far, 14 of them stemming from the deadly vehicular terrorist attack in New Orleans on New Year’s Day, the first mass killing incident by a domestic Islamist extremist since Sayfullo Saipov’s 2017 bike path rampage.

This New Orleans attack is a troubling development, especially if it marks the beginning of a trend of increased homegrown Islamist violence rather than a one-off event. In 2024, ADL published an article detailing a recent increase in Islamist terrorist incidents in the United States, including several plots to cause mass casualties.

The ADL Center on Extremism’s annual Murder and Extremism report also found that all extremist-related killings of 2024 were connected to right-wing extremism, with eight of the 13 killings involving white supremacists and the remaining five having connections to far-right anti-government extremists. This is the third year in a row that right-wing extremists have been connected to all identified extremist-related killings. Also, unlike in many recent years, no extremist-related mass killing events took place in 2024. Both of these trends have also been interrupted by the New Orleans attack.

“One of the most serious threats that extremists can pose is the brutal taking of human lives,” said Jonathan Greenblatt, ADL CEO. “Every murder is a tragedy and a decrease in extremist-related killings is always a welcome trend. Unfortunately, we already know this trend will be interrupted in 2025 and we are increasingly concerned by the threat of Islamist terror that seems to have spiked in the past year. Our country needs a whole-of-society, whole-of-government approach to ensure extremism of any sort has no place in our communities.”

Murder and Extremism in 2024: Key Findings

1. Domestic extremists killed at least 13 people in the U.S., in 11 separate incidents. These deaths are significantly lower than the 20 people killed by extremists in 2023 or the 28 people killed in 2022. This continues a trend of fewer extremist-related killings after a five-year span of 47-79 extremist-related murders per year (2015-2019).
2. Not since the year 2000, which had 10 murders, has there been a year with fewer extremist-related deaths.
3. In 2024, extremists deliberately murdered police officers in Florida and Texas, while in 2022 and 2023, no police officers were killed by extremists (these were rare exceptions).
4. Two of the deadly incidents from 2024 involved adherents of the anti-government sovereign citizen movement, including the deliberate murder of a police officer in Dallas. The report includes a special section that explores deadly violence connected to the sovereign citizen movement, including the murder of a number of law enforcement officers.

“Extremist-related killings have a significant and disproportionate impact on a community, especially when they take the form of a hate crime, terrorist attack or mass shooting, despite the fact that they represent a small proportion of the total homicides in the U.S. each year,” said Oren Segal, ADL Senior Vice President for Counter-Extremism and Intelligence. “The white supremacist mass shootings of recent years targeting marginalized communities and the Islamist-related New Orleans attack in January 2025 stand as grim reminders that while extremists may adopt opposing ideologies, the threat and the trauma are the same and must be addressed as priorities by society and government.”

To view the incidents referenced in this report and other extremist activity across the country, refer to the ADL H.E.A.T. Map, which tracks incidents of hate and violence nationwide.

& to all the F.U.s I received ................ hehehe, you're breaking my heart

Here's something that you guys might not know but which I figured out, then checked and have confirmed it to be so...

The engraved bullets;

One of the bullets was engraved with the words "Hey, Fascist, Catch!" And then a sequence of directional arrows "up right down down down".

I was telling some friends about this earlier and it occurred to me that in a particular game I played a while back, this was one of the sequences used to call in a bomb strike. Basically, a plane goes over and drops a 500kg bomb on the enemies.

Here is the interesting part. The game makes a bunch of tongue in cheek jokes about all the fighting being for democracy. So when you're mowing down a bunch of "baddies" voice lines like "Do it for democracy" or "Let's give them some democracy". It's totally over the top and done in a way that highlights the hypocrisy of it all.

So now we have this kid, being fed media about how the right are fascists and Nazis, just like stupid article Blo posted above, to the point where he felt he needed to do something about all the fascists.

Isn't it pathetic. Making a stupid reference like that, when committing such a disgusting and cowardly act, it really tells you what a little idiot this guy is.

Here is a clip of some of the voicelines from the game, referencing democracy and freedom...

And here is a clip of the bomb you call in with the sequence the shooter engraved on one of the bullets...

This was not a left wing person. He is from a place that voted almost 80% Trump, and his Family are conservatives, Trump supporters and have always voted for Republican. They are a gun loving family with many photos in social media of them posing with guns - even the mother.

I even said from his photo he did not particularly look like a left or right wing person. Sounds like some apologies are due. The right wing blaming the left for right wing actions.