Charlie Kirk assasinated = another example of the results of political incitement

but Charlie Kirk wasn't on the far right and neither is Trump

Out of curiosity where do you think they sit on the political spectrum...standard right wing?

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This was right-wing on right-wing violence. The shooter appeared to either think Kirk was too extreme or not extreme enough. Possibly a "Groper", and an offshoot of MAGA, or just a crazy person.

The shooter, Tyler Robinson, is reported to have grown up in a conservative, Republican household in southern Utah and was described by some classmates as having previously supported Donald Trump, which places him on the political right but not explicitly as a MAGA activist.

Details on Robinson’s Political Views

1. Neighbours and family stated Robinson “became more politically engaged” recently, discussing his dislike of Kirk at a family gathering before the shooting, but authorities note he has no formal party affiliation or record of voting.
2. During high school, Robinson and his family were characterised by peers as “diehard Trump supporters,” but no evidence has emerged to tie him directly to MAGA organisations or activism now.
3. Recent actions—engraving anti-fascist slogans on bullet casings—suggest a mix of right-wing conservative background and anti-authoritarian or anti-MAGA online meme culture influences, but not left-wing activism or MAGA group loyalty.
4. Current voter records show he is unaffiliated, and there is no indication he participated in recent elections.

Conclusion

Robinson's political orientation is right-wing and conservative, but not clearly MAGA-identifying, and recent evidence points to a politically complex, possibly anti-authoritarian stance.

Draad, hate to say this but the only solution is for americans to change their constitution so as to outlaw military style guns. I know we've discussed this to death, nothing changed after previous assassinations eg Martin Luther King jnr, John Kennedy etc

The problem is unique to America and you have to ask, why.

Center leaning right...not insane left horse sh!t...

It wasn't a military style gun Denny...30 06 is a hunting rifle...guns aren't the problem...mentally sick people are...and it's about time we stop entertaining stupid insane people as if they are normal...be compassionate and caring, but stop entertaining insanity.

"Charlie Kirk suspect ‘was in romantic relationship’ with his transgender roommate"

Not the 1st time I've heard this.

not insane left horse sh!t...

I don't even think America has a left wing. AOC, Bernie Sanders and a few others are actually left wing but they are the minority in the democratic party. But as I've said before by European standards the Democrats would be considered centre right.

Well Stav, if you are so far left like you are, even Stalin will be a right-winger...by European standards these days...no wonder...

Right wing civil war gun violence on other right wingers, and the far right want to blame the left wing- who want to ban guns...We are all Charlie Kirk...

Still no apologies from the far-right wingers.

All I wish to say is thank you to the NZ immigration system for allowing Bobbok to settle in you country.

Your loss not RSA's.

What a piece of S--t he really is.

Well Stav, if you are so far left like you are, even Stalin will be a right-winger...by European standards these days...no wonder...

Classification of political parties are done accordingly to their sets of core ideas. The US have no left parties, the range is between center right to far right.

If Stalin or any communist of the past's program were to come back, the associated party would be considered on the left on any party in Europe, even the current communist parties. There has been a shift towards the right that has affected any party.

Define right wing. Freedom and tolerance for other views are not right-wing...

Better than your hate filled stupid mindset...tsek!

Again with the hate thing... There is no hate at all. It is fun, no hate.

That stated, it is worth reminding once again that hate is a human feeling, that is part of human condition just as love, fear, compassion, cruelty or whatever.

Hate can be wantonly acquired or it can be incited. Liberals hate a lot, they hate for no reasons, they hate for hate itself. On the other hand, the way liberals have been behaving has incited a lot of motivated and legitimate hate around them. This is when the liberal demand for dehumanization kicks in. Liberals can not accept to be hated for actions they have done. They demand to be loved instead. They demand people to be grateful. It dated back to the days of slavery when liberals insisted that their slaves loved them. A very weird demand from liberals because when you behave when they behave, it is expected people are going to hate as a result.

When people hate for reasons that are common to humanity, it is humanity expressing itself.

Liberals hate so much on humanity that they are used to conflate racism and hate. A black dude hates white people in the US so the black dude is a racist. Racism has nothing to do with hate. This black dude is a just a dude with a family sense who has not forgotten his familial history.

Define right wing. Freedom and tolerance for other views are not right-wing...

There is nothing to discuss. It is not possible to discuss with liberals. Liberalism is a pack of non sense, contradictions and obvious ones. It is diving deeper in the rabbit hole. Define right wing in this case would require to define freedom and tolerance for others.

Written a lot already on this, not to convince but to show that it is known: liberals have a warped view on freedom. Liberals are people who think that a society is not free when the society bans slavery.

People at the start of the US were certainly not communists. It is not possible to be a communist in 1776.

There were a right wing and a left wing, freedom and tolerance for others, what wing, which one.

Liberalism is all about submission, there is nothing to discuss with people who think that a free society is a society that allows slavery.

hate to say this but the only solution is for americans to change their constitution so as to outlaw military style guns.

Liberals and criminals have a lot in common. The US have been a running a business of farming the weak, extorting the poor. When running this type of business, guns are a welcome addition.

The idea that a well-regulated militia wards off tyranny was preposterous and is brutally exposed by the Trump administration. The armed branch of the state apparatus is too powerful to be defeated by a militia. Another comment reads that if an attempt was done to seize guns from WeThePeople, it would be war and the side with guns would win. Except that the Trump administration has been deploying military troops in a way that challenges the original cause for preventing troops from being deployed. It means that a legal ban on guns could be backed by military power.

In action, the gun ownership was certainly justified because US citizens were border hoppers, regularly encroaching on Indian lands and they had to be able to support their invasion with guns (contrary to migrants today) and because they had to prevent slaves from leaving the plantation;

The US have not changed, so basically, they need guns just like criminals do.

Well Stav, if you are so far left like you are, even Stalin will be a right-winger...by European standards these days...no wonder...

What far left polices or positions have I advocated for?

Stav

Your whole approach is ultra-leftist starting wih your saupport of open border policies and obvious hatred of moderates in other countries calling them Ultra Rghtists Fascists

SB

I started this thead mentioning the following:-

This is a real and very serious issue and can lead to violence supported by the Democrats. They will never admit it but the fact is that the Democrats incite the people to become violant.

So have a look at the following:-

The mdia and essentially the leftist media soread lies and distortions ending up in a situation where Herr Goebbels would have been proud of, The fact is a decde of lies affecting Trump is politically used asgainst him and the D emocrat leadership regularly call him a Fascist - which moderate people )also Demcorats) knows it is BS, According to the leftists the Repubblican Party as bweeing supporting a developing dictatorship.

So I was correct in my starting sentence. The Democrats are the poison that cause violence and murders in the USA.

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Ok DumbMike, when a right winger from Utah- one of the most conservative and MAGA place in America kills another right wing person - it is the fault of the left.

You are a dumb fool. You created this tripe thread with accusations, but as events unfolded and evidence was discovered, it is clear that this was conservative on conservative.

It is no wonder you lot are killing each other. It is sounding more like the Arab Federation.

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Is that really necessary?

Freedom of speech - as Charlie would say.

Wow ...

Stooping to all time new lows by some posters in this thread...

Disgusting

SB, BB and Stav

Instead of being looking at this issue objectviely you were following the Democrat land media ies and distortions on the issue - claiming that somehow Robinson is a rightwing supporter and that the rightwing kills their onwn people.

Your latest posting is loathsome and I tink it si time you stop being an idiot and apologize to site members you have insulted in your lying crusade on this topic, The same apply to BB as well. By now we know you are brainwashed shit against Christianity as a religion and denying the right to follow their own convictions by site memebrs.

For your inmformation on a number of past incidents tehf ake emdia came up with BS and you repeat it on site and this is just one issue where you have gone too far.

So I think you should apologize for the hate campaign you went along with in this case.

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I'm an atheist, but I've been wrong before, so who knows, Charlie might very well be in heaven, sitting alongside 250,000 dead Russians (who were promised direct entry through em pearly gates) in the unfortunate event of their demise whilst attempting to demilitarise & denazify the cursed Ukrainians.

Who.t.f. , apart from oom knows.

So sad...a well, now I know some things I otherwise wouldn't have...there is no hope left in a world where hate is justified so easily...I'm totally flabbergasted.

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So I think you should apologize for the hate campaign you went along with in this case.

How about you apologize for the library of posts in which you rubbished the Democrats and Biden.....c'mon no more BS you go first and spare us your long lectures.

Draad look at your posts on this thread, then go to that cartoon you embedded and replace the word Nazis with scum.

Were did I vilify 50% of the population...or any group in particular however small they are? I reacted rudely to sh!tposters on this thread....tell me Stav, you also think Charlie had it coming?...a hell of a lot of people on social media are celebrating....atleast you and Bob haven't done that...Snarkhole neither, but he seems to think it's a joke.?

I called a cold blooded murderer scum, not 50% of the US population...whoosh!!!

Edited the "scum" post to remove the unintentional alternative interpretation...my apologies for the ambiguous post.

I don't think all socialist are scum...still in two minds about all the antisemites...

So now wwe have to know what the motive was for murdering Kirk.

The killer is in a rough predicament. His case is deeply political and any defense attorney will help him to tailor a version to appease. His motivations will be aligned with anything the defense attorney thinks to help his cause. It is going to be interesting because it will reveal what WeThePeople are ready to accept. So at the moment, the defense attorney has likely requested him to not cooperate with the investigators so the attorney can collect all the elements they have and craft a narrative that holds water while being sweet to the ears of people who are going to try him.

The whole thing will be made palatable.

.tell me Stav, you also think Charlie had it coming?

No he didn't. It was vile act that deserves to be condemned regardless of the killers motivation or Charlie Kirk's political views. He didn't deserve to die and his family doesn't deserve to have go through this ordeal. I also don't agree with people celebrating his death on social media but with free speech they have the right to do so.

Thanks for the answer Stav...didn't think so, but had to ask...hope it didn't offend you too much that I had to ask.

PS...I think it was a bit rude of Trump to make fun of the Paul Pelosi incident, but it wasn't nearly the same thing.

If the Killer had turned out to be Trump, the far right would have blamed the left-wing media for brainwashing Trump.

Aag fck of Snarkhole...you're too far gone to ever twig what's at stake.

SB

The killer was a radiocalized leftist not living with his parents anymore but with a Trans wanting the Government to pay for t he operation and costs and hate Trump for bnning such expenditure, If people want trans operations they must pay for it themselves - not expect from taxpayers to pay for it.

The family claimed publicly that Robinson was radiclized and was in that by his Trans lover as well. When he saw the photo's his father immediately realized he consequences of his son's inhuman attack on a innocent person nothing to do with the Govenment itself - wnent to him and then took him to the enarest Police office,

So lets get it clear - the man fell in lve wirh another guy and moved in with h im two years ago. It had nothing to do with what the family believe in. It had to do with a son who were radicalized by the leftist media and the Democrats.

Your media source concocted shit and had everything wrong. Utah is not the mostt Reubliocan state in the USA and the figure of 70% Republican and 30% Republican you quoted is total BS as well. I checked the reults in Utah for both the Presidential election and the House Districts where the Robinson family live and bot connfirm you were talking shot as per normal.

There was still 40% of the voters who hate and want to destroy the USA even in Utah, At this satage the FBI is going throough he computer and cell phone records - as well as th bank statements of bhe two lovers

hone of the wo was working so why footed their bills. If it is the parents there wpuld be no problem - but if it is from other sources there will be hell to play,

Stav

So what happened in the Minnesota case. A week before the murder the Killed politician was a Demcorat in the Minnesota House amd the wounded one in the Senate voted against a plan to spend money ib a project the Governor (Walz) wanted passed - but could not do so without support of all the Democrats, It also turned out that the murder-accused was for years Walz's security advisor and that he and his wife regularly vsited Walz.

Walz then proclaimed he murder as political and the Federal Government smelling a rat said they are going to deal with the investigation on a Federal Basis - since the attack relates to terrorism. to prevent judicial abuse and hte matter is still being investigated, There is a number of questions of a particular serious problem was also that the alleged murderer had $60 000 dollars in the car wih him in cash and where that money came fro is also part of the FBI investigsation.

So the outcome of the investigation has not been finaiized yet and to claim that there was Republican Party involcement has not been proved yet, To listen to Walz on the issue is a joke in bad taste, Why would Republicans attacked Democrat politicians who a week before voted against one of Walz's crazy projects?